MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Performance Modifications => Topic started by: jedi-knight83 on September 28, 2011, 10:58:02 pm
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Good evening.
I know I'm fairly new here but hopefully I can help provide a bit of a saving on a great remap offer. I've been having a look around and AMD seem to be £499 for a stage one and I believe Revo are about the same.
I've been in contact with Motech Performance (http://www.motechperformance.co.uk)in Northampton though. They remapped my VW caddy and my dads car and also a friends Caddy and all have been excellent.
Motech is a smaller operation with lower overheads but the maps they supply are easily on a par with AMD and Revo. Below is a review from PVW (click to enlarge)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv453%2Fjedi-knight83%2FCar%2520Stuff%2FGolf%2520GTI%2Fth_PVWarticle.jpg&hash=d916625ef486f2a2a1843831eb5e3bf4cc21c8c6) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/jedi-knight83/Car%20Stuff/Golf%20GTI/PVWarticle.jpg)
Their regular price for their 'Active Map' which is essentially a Stage 1 is £299.
The maps are not as agressive as some. I can speak from experience having had an AMD map on my first S3 and Revo on my 2nd and the Revo was definitely harsher but Mike has said they dont push silly boundaries so expect 250-260bhp for the GTI and 300-310bhp for the ED30.
The offer is as follows:
2-5 cars - £249 (saving £50)
5+ cars - £249 all cars get a free Pipercross panel filter fitted (about £35 worth) (saving £85 overall)
10+ cars - I'll go back to Mike and hopefully get a little bit more off for everyone but no promises :)
Mike is looking to complete all the cars on the same saturday morning but can be flexible if someone wants to go separately because of other commitments. It will also make a nice little mini meet and I will have my Vagcom there to fault check / clear and also make little tweaks anyone needs. Mike also has Vagcom and will provide data logs after the map.
Payment will be direct to Motech. £50 deposit to confirm your space at this price and then the balance upon completion of the work on the day. I'll get Mike to join up here to hopefully answer any questions or I can pass them to him as well.
I'm suggesting October 15th as the remap day... mainly as I cant wait to unleash the true potential of my GTI :)
Its worth noting as well that Motech can also cater for Stage 2 needs (they call this their 'X-Map) at the same price and they will be included in this group buy but talk to Mike about your needs.
Add your name to the list.. I will update this first post with names as well.
I will update payment info when we have a few names on the board.
1 ) Jedi-Knight83 - Standard GTI DSG
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https://www.facebook.com/pages/Motech-performance/130614396994283
http://www.motechperformance.co.uk
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By the way this has been approved by SteveP who said to put it here rather than in group buys as he thought it wouldnt have much support... but hopefully we can prove him wrong :)
Last time I did a group buy on a remap when I had my S3 we got 26 people on board and 26 cars remapped in the deal. :driver:
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38 people viewed and no one yet wants a remap at what I think is the cheapest price you will find? I've had a look at other tuning companies last night too and most are around the £400-£500 mark for the same remap.
Im sure there are lots of new members out there who havent remapped yet.
Nice excuse for a little mini meet as well and I can field detailing questions as well and probably get my detailing friend along in his Caddy for a little safe wash demo as well if people think it would be helpful.
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Question is... Has anyone on here got a motech remap? If there's few people to report on the quality of the map then this might not get off the ground.
.:Tapatalk:.
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Well as I said I've got one on my van and my dad had his peugeot HDI mapped. Both were lovely and smooth and yes more powerful and both gave better mpg. My van started returning 10-20 miles more to the tank (until i fitted the bigger heavier wider wheels which has brought my rage down a bit again). My in gear 60-80 time in the van was cut by about 2 seconds as well (a crude but I think fairly accurate series of stop watch tests before and after)
I havent checked with Mike if its ok to say this yet so I might have to come back and delete it :) but he basically downloads the ecu code and saves it for if you need to revert to standard. He also emails that code to 'a guy' who alters it, emails it back and then it gets uploaded.
The 'guy' who writes the new code used to be the guy who wrote the Revo codes... so he has plenty of experience.
I made sure I checked them out well before having my van and car done.
Hope that helps
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Sounds like a good deal,
I looked into Motech before i got my Revo map and only ever heard good stories about them.
Only reason i didnt use them is i got my Revo map done for free.
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Sounds like a good deal,
I looked into Motech before i got my Revo map and only ever heard good stories about them.
Only reason i didnt use them is i got my Revo map done for free.
Thanks ... £250 is good... but FREE sounds better lol :congrats:
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just looking at the motech site they have several re-map options, might be worth givign a bit more detail on the maps they are including in the deal, they also dont provide graphs of power curves or potential gains per vehicle all stuff people normally like to see so they can compare and contrast. :happy2:
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just looking at the motech site they have several re-map options, might be worth givign a bit more detail on the maps they are including in the deal, they also dont provide graphs of power curves or potential gains per vehicle all stuff people normally like to see so they can compare and contrast. :happy2:
As said in the description... Its for the 'Active Map' which essentially a Stage 1.
The 'X-Map' is where they can customise it for things like Air intake, HPFP, exhaust etc so essentially a Stage 2.
Mike has said if people already have the parts fitted then the £249 will also cover the X-Map to customise it to the parts fitted.
As for a power graph.. they dont have a rolling road... I've never been a huge fan of rolling road pub bragging rights (although I can see why people find them interesting to look at) as its all about how it feels in real world conditions on the road.
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This is a sister compnay of MV Sports where i bought my TBE from! I can only say good things about their work ethics and products! Customer serivce is second to none IMO! Keep the panel filter though haha
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Added a review from PVW in the first post and also here
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv453%2Fjedi-knight83%2FCar%2520Stuff%2FGolf%2520GTI%2Fth_PVWarticle.jpg&hash=d916625ef486f2a2a1843831eb5e3bf4cc21c8c6) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/jedi-knight83/Car%20Stuff/Golf%20GTI/PVWarticle.jpg)
I've also asked Mike if he has a graph from a 2.0TSI with a Motech map
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250-260 bhp from a K03 powered car with only stage 1 software......that's a massive increase!
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:popcornsoda:
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I havent yet had a map done by mike, but I know lots who have and who got excellent results. Lots of the boys in northampton have had maps by mike... with no complaints!
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Here is a power graph from a mk6 GTI with a Motech stage 1 map
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FMotech%2FDyno_Graphs%2FGTiDyno.jpg&hash=7f927ddd1a4e503014885542fa5cee314ec72b41)
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:popcornsoda:
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:popcornsoda:
Hungry??
.:Tapatalk:.
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All good reviews and lots of chit chat then... but does anyone actually want to join me in getting a super cheap remap? :drinking:
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just looking at the motech site they have several re-map options, might be worth givign a bit more detail on the maps they are including in the deal, they also dont provide graphs of power curves or potential gains per vehicle all stuff people normally like to see so they can compare and contrast. :happy2:
As said in the description... Its for the 'Active Map' which essentially a Stage 1.
The 'X-Map' is where they can customise it for things like Air intake, HPFP, exhaust etc so essentially a Stage 2.
Mike has said if people already have the parts fitted then the £249 will also cover the X-Map to customise it to the parts fitted.
As for a power graph.. they dont have a rolling road... I've never been a huge fan of rolling road pub bragging rights (although I can see why people find them interesting to look at) as its all about how it feels in real world conditions on the road.
No offence and I wont keep posting but it doesnt say it anywhere in the original post :smiley: and you cant feel how it drives until after the event, but a graph helps you to see how smooth the curve is and any peaks or troughs so quite important not for bragging rights :happy2:
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just looking at the motech site they have several re-map options, might be worth givign a bit more detail on the maps they are including in the deal, they also dont provide graphs of power curves or potential gains per vehicle all stuff people normally like to see so they can compare and contrast. :happy2:
As said in the description... Its for the 'Active Map' which essentially a Stage 1.
The 'X-Map' is where they can customise it for things like Air intake, HPFP, exhaust etc so essentially a Stage 2.
Mike has said if people already have the parts fitted then the £249 will also cover the X-Map to customise it to the parts fitted.
As for a power graph.. they dont have a rolling road... I've never been a huge fan of rolling road pub bragging rights (although I can see why people find them interesting to look at) as its all about how it feels in real world conditions on the road.
No offence and I wont keep posting but it doesnt say it anywhere in the original post :smiley: and you cant feel how it drives until after the event, but a graph helps you to see how smooth the curve is and any peaks or troughs so quite important not for bragging rights :happy2:
Sorry... your right... ive just edited now to show its for the 'Active Map' but will also include the 'X-Map' for those that need it.
I've also uploaded a graph from a Mk6 that Motech mapped.
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Good figures, but bare in mind the MK6 has the Tsi engine which is more 'tunable' then the Tfsi.
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Good figures, but bare in mind the MK6 has the Tsi engine which is more 'tunable' then the Tfsi.
Yes... as stated the mk5 is likely to be about 255bhp but people asked to see a graph so I showed them :)
What I might do is try to arrange my map with Mike ASAP and get before and after printouts and then carry on the group buy for anyone else interested.
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Good figures, but bare in mind the MK6 has the Tsi engine which is more 'tunable' then the Tfsi.
Yes... as stated the mk5 is likely to be about 255bhp but people asked to see a graph so I showed them :)
What I might do is try to arrange my map with Mike ASAP and get before and after printouts and then carry on the group buy for anyone else interested.
Before and after is the way forward, that way if the rollers are grossly inaccurate you will still be able to see the increase.
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Good figures, but bare in mind the MK6 has the Tsi engine which is more 'tunable' then the Tfsi.
More tunable than the KO4??
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Is it possible to get a show of hands for who is actually interested and who is on the verge pending what a mk5 graph looks like?
I'll happily pay out of my own pocket to have a before and after power run if it helps people decide but if no one is actually interested anyway I'll save my money as a graph doesn't mean much to me.
I still think £249 is a great deal for a map the same quality as a Revo, AMD, APR map which retail at £400-£500
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It is a very good deal, im not happy with superchips but really want revo!!
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There is a DNA tuning group buy on another forum, a stage 1 on practically any car for £150!
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Just a quick question, I have read the thread and cant see how you can expect to have 2+ cars properly mapped, datalogged and signed off on one Saturday Morning, let alone 5 or 10? The ME9 that the tfsi uses takes 25 mins to read and 20 mins to write, takes a good 45 mins to create a base map to test and 20 mins to datalog. Then if changes are required to the map, say 15 mins to do this and another 20 minute upload to the ECU.
So if the map is 100% right first time it will still take approx 2 hours.....
Hopefully this is a typo?
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Just a quick question, I have read the thread and cant see how you can expect to have 2+ cars properly mapped, datalogged and signed off on one Saturday Morning, let alone 5 or 10? The ME9 that the tfsi uses takes 25 mins to read and 20 mins to write, takes a good 45 mins to create a base map to test and 20 mins to datalog. Then if changes are required to the map, say 15 mins to do this and another 20 minute upload to the ECU.
So if the map is 100% right first time it will still take approx 2 hours.....
Hopefully this is a typo?
Not a typo... But it was an assumption made by me without talking about the logistics properly. Realistically I was guessing just 3 or 4 people might be interested in the time frame and based on how long it took to do my caddy I guessed we could get a few done on a saturday within a reasonable time.
Seems like its actually going to be too much hassle to arrange so I'm just going to get my car done asap. I'll happily post the results here and then anyone else interested can contact Motech direct and see what deal he can do for them at the time.
Thanks anyway
Nathan
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Good figures, but bare in mind the MK6 has the Tsi engine which is more 'tunable' then the Tfsi.
More tunable than the KO4??
Let me re-phrase that then - the Tsi engine running the IHI turbo is more tunable than the Tfsi running the K03!!
I have seen a lot of graphs from stage 1 K03 cars and imho 255-260 bhp is a pipe dream, in reality expectations would be between 235-245 bhp maximum. That's not to say that Motech's maps aren't good, and that the suggested GB price is very competitive, what it does suggest however is that the rollers being used to establish the figures are maybe a bit generous. This is where I look forward to seeing before and after results when the Jedi Knight gets the map on........I'm hoping this will prove me wrong, in which case I will be on the phone to Motech! :wink: