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Title: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: baldwined30 on October 20, 2011, 03:16:00 pm
As the title says, just had the car RR and it made 342hp! That was after the RS4 valve was fitted! Just in case anyone was interested!!
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: stealthwolf on October 20, 2011, 03:18:38 pm
Who did the RR and where is the graph (ie proof)? :P
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: heavyd on October 20, 2011, 03:23:28 pm
mine made 314bhp with the superchips stage 3 :signLOL:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Janner_Sy on October 20, 2011, 03:33:08 pm
As the title says, just had the car RR and it made 342hp! That was after the RS4 valve was fitted! Just in case anyone was interested!!
Was that on superchips rolling road.....
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Saint Steve on October 20, 2011, 03:54:21 pm
....going by previous experiance, if its 342 at Superchips, it will be about 30bhp different on a Dyno Dynamics.


I wonder if they had the Cabin heater on when they run it  :signLOL: 

:popcornsoda:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Hedge on October 20, 2011, 04:04:43 pm
This was mine.

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FCar%2FGolf%2FBluefinSt3edited.jpg&hash=98718a048807779f95940bd1ac0d618040fd8852)
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: E30Dom on October 20, 2011, 04:20:03 pm
How smooth is that line!
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: baldwined30 on October 20, 2011, 04:28:12 pm
 Was AMD ill upload the graph when I get home!
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Janner_Sy on October 20, 2011, 04:31:29 pm
  Thats even worse then. :grin:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: baldwined30 on October 20, 2011, 04:35:47 pm
Haters!!! Haha
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: johnboy07 on October 20, 2011, 04:52:34 pm
i wana take mine to amd just so it looks more impressive.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Greeners on October 20, 2011, 04:53:37 pm
Sooooo many predictable replies in this thread!  :indifferent:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: baldwined30 on October 20, 2011, 04:55:03 pm
Where's better to take it then?
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: ktlstar on October 20, 2011, 04:57:29 pm
Hayes engineering in erith or surrey rolling road. Both use dynodynamics
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: stealthwolf on October 20, 2011, 04:57:47 pm
JKM
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: baldwined30 on October 20, 2011, 05:02:44 pm
Both a bit far!! What's meant to be wrong with theirs then?????
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: johnboy07 on October 20, 2011, 05:10:32 pm
tbh all rolling roads will vary, even taking it to the same place on consecutive days will show differences. All rolling road figures are there for is a rough guide or indication of how a car is performing. Alot of people like the consistancy of JKM (including me lol) as there is little fluctuation in the results. But even there last time is showed a complete stock gti with 220bhp or something like that so even they will not have perfect readings every time.
Theres nothing wrong with thiers apart from the results are always higher than others but i wouldnt be worried about that  :smiley:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: baldwined30 on October 20, 2011, 05:18:39 pm
Either way! She feels quick!b
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Greeners on October 20, 2011, 05:19:49 pm
Either way! She feels quick!b

And thats all that matters!  :wink:

PS, Johnboy you better be careful dissing JKM's rollers!  :scared: :P :laugh:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Hedge on October 20, 2011, 05:21:01 pm
 :popcornsoda:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Greeners on October 20, 2011, 05:24:02 pm
 :evilgrin:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: stealthwolf on October 20, 2011, 05:27:31 pm
JKM's DD rollers tend to either under-read or more accurately read, depending on your viewpoint. There are stories of people getting 230bhp on a stock GTI on some rollers. I think what's important is that you use the same rollers each time and look at the increase (as a percentage or ratio IMO) rather than raw figures. As above, things can change. I lost 6bhp on the JKM rollers in six months despite the car being stock! I was mega-peeved off until it was explained that even things like seasonal changes can affect the readings.
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: QD MBE on October 20, 2011, 06:09:42 pm
Numbers don't matter, beyond use as Car health Monitoring.

If you are happy on the road, then all good.
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: johnboy07 on October 20, 2011, 06:09:52 pm
wasnt dissing as i have used them and did due to there consistanacy. Was just making the point that even the best of rollers will differ from time to time. Its hard to try and be diplomatic and not offend anyone. Either way if it feels quick and you enjoy it then it doesnt matter if it were 400bhp or 140bhp  :driver:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: baldwined30 on October 20, 2011, 06:23:17 pm
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fk515%2Fbaldwined30%2FImage23.jpg&hash=9bd94a0382d537fc83311389447943f7bcb5f42e)

Waiting for the responses now!! Either way it keeps up with an E90 M3!
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Jussa on October 20, 2011, 06:33:20 pm
I'll tell u the difference between AMD and JKM  :evilgrin:

AMD gave me 284bhp and 3 days later (no changes to the car whatsoever) JKM gave me 254bhp  :confused:

U go figure!!!

 :popcornsoda:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: baldwined30 on October 20, 2011, 06:35:39 pm
Whats the point of having if RR 3days later!!! Id be gutted with 284bhp!! :P
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: stealthwolf on October 20, 2011, 06:36:53 pm
Which means that baldy's car on JKM's dyno would make around 305bhp.  :popcornsoda:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: baldwined30 on October 20, 2011, 06:45:52 pm
either way i didnt like seeing it on there!!! Does the graph look ok??

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1113.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fk515%2Fbaldwined30%2FIMG-20111020-00517.jpg&hash=91b01aade307f4adc0684e1aaede33348c6e60e5)
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Saint Steve on October 20, 2011, 06:49:31 pm
Sooooo many predictable replies in this thread!  :indifferent:

just as predictable as yours nath  :P  :signLOL:

Chill  :wink:

Doesnt matter how big the figures are, its how it drives and whether it highlights an underlying issue with your car. That of which i know too well  :ashamed:

We all jest about BHP figures and whether how Realistic or in some cases Unrealistic they are........ a few years Back, when most of us were New owners of these cars, people were only too quick to jump up Post and say the same..

Enjoy it Balders  :happy2:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: chungster on October 20, 2011, 06:52:45 pm
Slight flat spot at 3500 rpm I say!
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: baldwined30 on October 20, 2011, 06:54:43 pm
Slight flat spot at 3500 rpm I say!

Its DSG if that makes a difference!!
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: vRS_Pagey on October 20, 2011, 06:55:00 pm
Whats the point of having if RR 3days later!!! Id be gutted with 284bhp!! :P

On a K03?????  Are you  :stupid:   :P
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: baldwined30 on October 20, 2011, 06:56:37 pm
Whats the point of having if RR 3days later!!! Id be gutted with 284bhp!! :P

On a K03?????  Are you  :stupid:   :P

No, on my KO4!!!
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: vRS_Pagey on October 20, 2011, 06:58:50 pm
Whats the point of having if RR 3days later!!! Id be gutted with 284bhp!! :P

On a K03?????  Are you  :stupid:   :P

No, on my KO4!!!

K04 will top that at stage 1 won't it?

Either way mate, if the car feels good, then thats key, mine is probably only running 235, haven't checked tbh and I don't plan to.  :happy2:


Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: baldwined30 on October 20, 2011, 07:01:09 pm
Yea it feels good and they said it was running right which is defo the main thing!!!! :drinking:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Saint Steve on October 20, 2011, 07:02:08 pm
Saint steve, im not sure you can take the pee too much, your passenger has a GTI Jacket on!! Reminds me of Joey from friends in his Porsche jacket!!!

Thats RedRobin  :signLOL: :signLOL:

I'll get your coat  :laugh:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: vRS_Pagey on October 20, 2011, 07:05:56 pm
Saint steve, im not sure you can take the pee too much, your passenger has a GTI Jacket on!! Reminds me of Joey from friends in his Porsche jacket!!!

Thats RedRobin  :signLOL: :signLOL:

I'll get your coat  :laugh:

Taxi for the Red one!!!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: baldwined30 on October 20, 2011, 07:08:03 pm
Hahahahahahahaha!!!  :love:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: flyboy1976 on October 20, 2011, 07:35:47 pm
Personally I would only take it to Danny's rollers next door to MAD Mark Shead's place in Berkshire......as for JKM well ask Jim or Keith about my old mate Sheady! Must admit ive spoke to Keith at JKM some time ago and he seems a real nice fella but i have my reasons why I wouldnt go there and its not cause of the distance sadly.

Baldy I think you have done well all considering mate.  :happy2:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: baldwined30 on October 20, 2011, 07:40:25 pm
I know your talking about mine (your) twintake!!!! Hahaha
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: flyboy1976 on October 20, 2011, 07:45:26 pm
yeah wouldve been 345bhp if ya hadnt of sat on the bl@@dy thing and squished it......RUN FATBOY RUN!!!
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: baldwined30 on October 20, 2011, 08:29:30 pm
HAHAHAHA!! There would defo  be a few mote ponies in there if it had full air flow!!! :jumping:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: GrayMK5GTI on October 21, 2011, 06:18:15 am
tbh all rolling roads will vary, even taking it to the same place on consecutive days will show differences. All rolling road figures are there for is a rough guide or indication of how a car is performing. Alot of people like the consistancy of JKM (including me lol) as there is little fluctuation in the results. But even there last time is showed a complete stock gti with 220bhp or something like that so even they will not have perfect readings every time.
Theres nothing wrong with thiers apart from the results are always higher than others but i wouldnt be worried about that  :smiley:

Do you mean mine with 207bhp from just a panel filter?  :smiley:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Hedge on October 21, 2011, 07:47:45 am
Must admit ive spoke to Keith at JKM some time ago and he seems a real nice fella but i have my reasons why I wouldnt go there and its not cause of the distance sadly.


How bizarre. Care to elaborate?  :popcornsoda:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: stealthwolf on October 21, 2011, 09:08:05 am
+1. Do tell.
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Janner_Sy on October 21, 2011, 09:42:04 am
BecAuse you make more power everywhere else....
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: rich83 on October 21, 2011, 10:45:15 am
Problem is... Who do you believe?

My stock car made 232bhp on JKMs. Now... How do we know that even that is an accurate result?? People like to see JKM as accurate but how do we know?
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Hedge on October 21, 2011, 10:52:02 am
I believe what I see on the day with my very own eyes regarding Rolling Roads, there are too many outside factors that can affect the results.

Ideally they should only be used to compare 2 cards on the same day with the same atmospheric conditions and/or between different levels of modification on the same car.

Actually what do I know, I'm off to join the Flat Earth society.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: R-tech-Nick on October 21, 2011, 12:10:58 pm
I tend to do maf logs and boost logs when running cars on a dyno to back up the results, 99% of the time they are bang on.


90% of stock TFSI I have ran have made around 8-10bhp more.. I used to worry a little until I started to do VCDS logs with every power run and was seeing the air flow work out to the same as the dyno reading and the actual load a little higher than the requested load.

IMO the issues with the DD rolling road is that the fly wheel hp reading is only an "estimated " reading based the wheel hp readings with a "fixed" % for transmission lossed added to make the fly wheel power.... How can this be right?  Where do DD get this % from? and  I dont think I have ever ran two Mk5 TFSIs which have had the exact same transmission losses?   A ruel of thumb is around 12% but this can vary to 17-18%
The DD is one of the best dynos I have ever used for mapping and working from wheel hp, but power runs and fly wheel power its just a lottery like every dyno.


Some rolling roads worth out the actual losses during the power runs coast down.
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: jamma on October 21, 2011, 12:47:56 pm
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fk515%2Fbaldwined30%2FImage23.jpg&hash=9bd94a0382d537fc83311389447943f7bcb5f42e)

Waiting for the responses now!! Either way it keeps up with an E90 M3!


 :signLOL:   thats the funniest thing I have ever heard. What makes you think that ?  M3 E46 maybe , not an E90 though
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Saint Steve on October 21, 2011, 01:43:12 pm
^^^^
It's alot closer then you think jamma :wink:

If you do your power to weigh ratio, a stage 2+ or stage 3 will give more then a stock E92...

Even a stage 2 is about level in turn of speed.. ed30 I mean ..
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: jamma on October 21, 2011, 01:48:55 pm
^^^^
It's alot closer then you think jamma :wink:

If you do your power to weigh ratio, a stage 2+ or stage 3 will give more then a stock E92...

Even a stage 2 is about level in turn of speed.. ed30 I mean ..

Yeah but a stock e92 M3 is around 440 bhp isnt it?   
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: stealthwolf on October 21, 2011, 02:06:09 pm
Straight bhp isn't everything.

A Lotus Exige S has 220 bhp. An ED30 has 230bhp. Are you going to tell me the ED30 is faster?

bhp/wt of exige s is 220/0.913 = 240bhp/tonne
bph/wt pf 5dr ED30 man is 230/1357 = 169bhp/tonne
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Top Cat on October 21, 2011, 02:19:19 pm
Straight bhp isn't everything.

A Lotus Exige S has 220 bhp. An ED30 has 230bhp. Are you going to tell me the ED30 is faster?

bhp/wt of exige s is 220/0.913 = 240bhp/tonne
bph/wt pf 5dr ED30 man is 230/1357 = 169bhp/tonne

But again adding a twist Stealth, once you reach 80 mile an hour, the ED 30 would start sailing past the Exige, also if you put a passenger in, it would be lucky to beat a stock GTI.
There is a saying; Their is no replacement for displacement This i know to be true as the Exige figures dont really stand up in normal life.  :happy2:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: jamma on October 21, 2011, 02:23:57 pm
Straight bhp isn't everything.

A Lotus Exige S has 220 bhp. An ED30 has 230bhp. Are you going to tell me the ED30 is faster?

bhp/wt of exige s is 220/0.913 = 240bhp/tonne
bph/wt pf 5dr ED30 man is 230/1357 = 169bhp/tonne

Not at all it,  weighs next to nothing and it would rape an ed30 . My mate has one  :happy2:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: stealthwolf on October 21, 2011, 02:27:11 pm
But again adding a twist Stealth, once you reach 80 mile an hour, the ED 30 would start sailing past the Exige, also if you put a passenger in, it would be lucky to beat a stock GTI.
There is a saying; Their is no replacement for displacement This i know to be true as the Exige figures dont really stand up in normal life.  :happy2:

I wish I had a Lotus so I could compare!  :booty:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Top Cat on October 21, 2011, 02:32:32 pm
Its just the figures can be misleading, dont get me wrong mine almost pulls a wheely of the line, but if you put a passenger in a 2+ eddie you might not notice the extra weight for me it is like turning a stage 2 map off.  :happy2:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: stealthwolf on October 21, 2011, 02:54:23 pm
I can understand the difference of a passenger in a Lotus - it's such a light car that an extra 70-80kg will make a huge difference.
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Hedge on October 21, 2011, 03:27:41 pm
If I was your passenger TC you wouldn't even get it off the line.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Janner_Sy on October 21, 2011, 06:05:03 pm
  :grin: would go around right hand bends well though :rolleye:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: vRS_Pagey on October 21, 2011, 06:27:18 pm
I can understand the difference of a passenger in a Lotus - it's such a light car that an extra 70-80kg will make a huge difference.

Any chance I could borrow your scales????

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FBJ_BOBBI_JO9%2FMedical_health_sick_ill_related%2F10_8_5.gif&hash=71fefea52a2dfb1b68e84704b0316f90c569aaef)
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: baldwined30 on October 21, 2011, 07:22:00 pm
It was an E92 M3 4 door, couldn't lose me in a straight line! Yes the 414hp variant! Anyone who has a stage 2+ eddy will tell you! 997s are also the same and that's the 3.8 incase your wondering! If you have time youtube edition 30 vs M3!I'm nearly 30, I won't be fibbing about that sort of thing! Its more of a reference!
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: baldwined30 on October 22, 2011, 09:04:45 am
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: jamma on October 22, 2011, 10:14:34 pm


 :happy2:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: bacillus on October 22, 2011, 10:22:39 pm
I somehow suspect that a stage 3 edition 30 has a bigger turbo than the standard k04. 
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: RobH on October 23, 2011, 12:12:02 am
I somehow suspect that a stage 3 edition 30 has a bigger turbo than the standard k04. 

The mods on the golf are in the top corner of the vid stertman stage 3 is just like superchips stage 3 basically its there version of stage 2+ and its using a standard k04 :happy2:

The M3 would eventually come past at silliy speeds 140+ but the ed30 is clearly the quicker car from a roll till that point. Its not just about peak figures either people always bang on about peak figures and the cars make those figures for what like half a second then tail off look at your dyno graphs people.
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: chungster on October 23, 2011, 12:18:04 am
If u look at the Stertman website they list a Stage 2.5 which looking at the bits is equivalent to stage 2+.

As they're a GIAC dealer the Stage 3 kit may well use a GT28 turbo as GIAC has a map for it.
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: RobH on October 23, 2011, 12:31:29 am
Maybe but stertman themselves dont list a stage 3 kit and nothing comes up when you google it apart from that vid, personally i think its stage 2+ and the maker of the vid just randomly decided it was stage 3.

Also the M3 is similar in pace to an RS4 and we all know what the outcome of that one was..... a 18 month driving ban :grin:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: baldwined30 on October 23, 2011, 10:16:58 am
Stage 3 super chip is the same if not less out put than a stage 2+ revo. What's the outcome against an rs4?
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: psw mk5 on October 23, 2011, 10:19:34 am
My mate has a vauxhall vx220 which has been breathed upon quite heavily resulting in about 270 bhp and 300lb of torque .... And fook me it's rapid blows my eddie out of the water .... Don't get to hung up about max bhp it's all about useable torque and the weight of his motor which is down to about 920 lbs and trust me its a flying machine..... Just cause eddies can go to 325+ doesn't mean it's the best thing on the road --- take the blinkers off now and again  :driver:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Janner_Sy on October 23, 2011, 11:33:45 am
... Just cause eddies can go to 325+ doesn't mean it's the best thing on the road --- take the blinkers off now and again  :driver:
:congrats: :congrats:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: baldwined30 on October 23, 2011, 11:36:38 am
Very true not the best thing on the road, but your comparing to a vauxhall???? Come on!! We'd all rather have an M3 on the drive but we can't afford one!!
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: flyboy1976 on October 23, 2011, 02:07:07 pm
i dont want an M3 thanks chris nor a Vauxhall....my eddy beats my mates 997 porker and that is a proper car! take a look after i detailed it!
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi986.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fae349%2Fnitsrik1976%2F2011-06-02150940.jpg&hash=bba8c39efcfe192cbdd4bcbdfe156829f90a8d33)
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Dan648v on October 23, 2011, 02:17:25 pm
Power to weight ratios are gonna play a big part in this, not just peak figures
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: baldwined30 on October 23, 2011, 04:34:19 pm
Well I'd love an M3 and would be just as expensive to run as you won't need to mod it!
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: jon-tfsi on October 23, 2011, 06:44:56 pm
^^ exactly the reason a stg2+ eddy can show an e90 m3 a clean pair of heels.

I recently kept on the bumper of an M6 from 40mph to 140mph and they have 500bhp. My Cupra was running a standard air filter/box at the time.

Claims of stg 2+ k04 cars beating M3's and the like are not tall stories or bold statements. Its all about the power to weight.
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: baldwined30 on October 23, 2011, 06:52:26 pm
^^ exactly the reason a stg2+ eddy can show an e90 m3 a clean pair of heels.

I recently kept on the bumper of an M6 from 40mph to 140mph and they have 500bhp. My Cupra was running a standard air filter/box at the time.

Claims of stg 2+ k04 cars beating M3's and the like are not tall stories or bold statements. Its all about the power to weight.

unless he was in 400hp mode!  :smiley:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: jon-tfsi on October 23, 2011, 06:57:23 pm
Its possible but i doubt it he was goading me  :smiley:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Oli on October 23, 2011, 07:00:26 pm
Like I said in another thread, my stage 1 ED30 doesn't feel too much off the pace of my 997 C2S, once rolling, if there is at all anything in it.  The DSG will help the Golf as well.  But let's be fair, it's not a Porsche.  When driving most of the tuned cars that I've owned, I've always felt I've got something's prove, when I'm in the Porsche, I have nothing to prove - if that makes sense. However when I do get in the mood, my god, the Porsche is awesome, in every respect. The flat six noise through the sports exhaust helps, as well as the awesome grip!


Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: baldwined30 on October 23, 2011, 07:01:11 pm
Ive played with a few super cars, the 997s dont like it!!! The M3 i was ver happy with!!
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: baldwined30 on October 23, 2011, 07:02:29 pm
Like I said in another thread, my stage 1 ED30 doesn't feel too much off the pace of my 997 C2S, once rolling, if there is at all anything in it.  The DSG will help the Golf as well.  But let's be fair, it's not a Porsche.  When driving most of the tuned cars that I've owned, I've always felt I've got something's prove, when I'm in the Porsche, I have nothing to prove - if that makes sense. However when I do get in the mood, my god, the Porsche is awesome, in every respect. The flat six noise through the sports exhaust helps, as well as the awesome grip!




Totally agree always wanted a 997!!!! Drove a brand new one back from the factory!
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: jamma on October 24, 2011, 12:45:11 pm
Ive played with a few super cars, the 997s dont like it!!! The M3 i was ver happy with!!

Neither of those are supercars IMO.

I sold my 911 back in April after 5 years , great car and unlike my Golf it went round corners very quick  :smiley: But then its 3 times as much in price !!!

Been looking at m3's as they are cheap now, 28,000 buys you a good one. New 3 series is out next year though so prices will tumble even more.

Cars will always keep you poor  :grin:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: baldwined30 on October 24, 2011, 01:17:39 pm
True, not quite super cars but pretty quick! And yes, I'd much prefer an M3 or a 911!!
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on October 24, 2011, 03:09:58 pm
Maybe but stertman themselves dont list a stage 3 kit and nothing comes up when you google it apart from that vid, personally i think its stage 2+ and the maker of the vid just randomly decided it was stage 3.

Also the M3 is similar in pace to an RS4 and we all know what the outcome of that one was..... a 18 month driving ban :grin:

Oi Robert, less of that please..  :fighting:





























Oh and it was 15 months actually..  :booty: :signLOL:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: micky 32 on October 24, 2011, 03:45:46 pm
The car in the video is running a Ko4. I think it's mentioned in the comments.
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on October 24, 2011, 03:50:03 pm
^^^ Very true.. Spoke to the guy on there about it a few times. It's taken some serious scalps at these events too AND it's a slow ass manual  :surprised:  :signLOL:



Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: micky 32 on October 24, 2011, 04:28:36 pm
If you're slick enough with the gear changes you'll find there won't be a huge difference with the DSG  :wink:. I remember once i posted a speedo vid of my old TDI and i got asked was it a DSG i could change the gears so fast :happy2:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on October 24, 2011, 04:36:20 pm
I agree to a certain point that a manual with a good driver can change gear quick (use to be a party trick of mine in my old CTR). What you can't do is keep the blower spinning and avoid at least some lag. Something DSG is great at.. Not so much an issue on NA cars obviously..
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Gti_Mad on October 24, 2011, 05:20:45 pm
cor that ed30 is proper quick any1 know wot mods its running ???
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on October 24, 2011, 05:49:59 pm
GIAC equivlent to Stage 2+ mate..
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Tamiyoman on October 24, 2011, 06:58:22 pm
A Stage 2+ Ed30 costs Ave £14-15k opposed to £28K for M3 (Oakley sunglasses and fake tan a must! :wink:) and the 911's (Fancy Beetles  :grin:) are very nice, but more money again for a good un, for the majority who dont have that kind of cash i suppose a Tuned ED30 is a nice way of saying "I can keep up with you pace wise but not financially", im probably biased as i have an Ed30 and it will be Stage 2.5 next year  :party:

Someone said that from rolling start to 140mph the Ed30 2.5 would stay ahead then M3 would sail past, i disagree as he has a lot of ground to make up before the M3 hits is 155mph limiter  :grin:, where on facetube ( :evilgrin:) you see stage 2.5 or stage 3's hitting 175-180mph (on the german unrestricted autobahns of course!).

I think the Porkers would come past at 140mph but there wont be much in it (My mate has a C4S as his weekend car).

I think the most power/torque will be used from 30-80mph (Slip roads onto M/ways) and its would be pretty close betwen them all.

Just my opinion guys, everyone has their own :rolleye:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: baldwined30 on October 24, 2011, 09:16:34 pm
^^^ Very true.. Spoke to the guy on there about it a few times. It's taken some serious scalps at these events too AND it's a slow ass manual  :surprised:  :signLOL:




In this vid it says it's a stage 3 135i, I'm really not sure it is! That would eat most things a defo and eddy 2+!
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on October 25, 2011, 10:10:19 am
^^^ Very true.. Spoke to the guy on there about it a few times. It's taken some serious scalps at these events too AND it's a slow ass manual  :surprised:  :signLOL:




In this vid it says it's a stage 3 135i, I'm really not sure it is! That would eat most things a defo and eddy 2+!

It's not Stage 3, it's JB3 (piggyback chip and very popular in the States). It also has cat-less down pipes and FMIC, but that's about it..

To be fair, that vid is edited quite well on some of the runs and the full vids are no longer on there.  :wink: The RS4 and 135i do catch and pass at the end of the run, but you don't get to see that.   :signLOL:

A FBO (full bolt on) 135i would still struggle to shake off a Stage 2+ Ed30 till well over three figures though IMO..
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: baldwined30 on October 25, 2011, 10:35:39 am
Those 135i's are rapid!!
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on October 25, 2011, 10:51:06 am
Those 135i's are rapid!!

They are fun, I have to say..   :wink:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: micky 32 on October 25, 2011, 11:10:28 am
Those 135i's are rapid!!

They are fun, I have to say..   :wink:

How do you find the economy compared to the old Golf?
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on October 25, 2011, 11:30:17 am
Pretty much identical mate tbh.. 1er is probably about 1mpg more on average (averaging about 30mpg atm). That's comparing Stage 2+ Ed30 vs 135i with just software. That's motorway mileage mixed with back road fun..  :wink:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: baldwined30 on October 25, 2011, 12:11:59 pm
My misses says how much she's like the 1 series coup! I told her there is only one I would consider!!! For me that's a green light!!
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on October 25, 2011, 12:29:02 pm
My misses says how much she's like the 1 series coup! I told her there is only one I would consider!!! For me that's a green light!!

Well 2 surely?  :wink:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: baldwined30 on October 25, 2011, 12:30:08 pm
Nope! One is the devils fuel!!!
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on October 25, 2011, 12:43:18 pm
Nope! One is the devils fuel!!!

135i
1M  :happy2:

How dare you insinuate that I would recommend a 123d...  :signLOL:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: baldwined30 on October 25, 2011, 12:47:06 pm
Of course! What was I thinking!!! That's has to be a new fav of mine, but well out my price range!
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Rupert on October 25, 2011, 03:52:45 pm
I am reading all these threads with interest.

Funny the Exige should be mentioned as I am currently putting a 20k miles 2.0T FSI out of an Ed30 Golf into my Lotus Elise 111R. With the help of a proalloy chargecooler we are going for a Stage 2+ map so 360 bhp in a 900 kg car should be fun  :laugh: Probably a fair comment about the performance once you are into three figures but much of that is down to the downforce on an Exige which make it a bit of a brick at silly speeds- good for corners but not for straights.

I have upgraded the diverter valve to the revision d type, bought the RS4 fuel pressure regulating valve, upgraded the fuel pump with the autotech internals... is there anything else I have missed there?
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: baldwined30 on October 25, 2011, 03:54:54 pm
 :driver:Only a build thread!!!!
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on October 25, 2011, 03:58:31 pm
I am reading all these threads with interest.

Funny the Exige should be mentioned as I am currently putting a 20k miles 2.0T FSI out of an Ed30 Golf into my Lotus Elise 111R. With the help of a proalloy chargecooler we are going for a Stage 2+ map so 360 bhp in a 900 kg car should be fun  :laugh: Probably a fair comment about the performance once you are into three figures but much of that is down to the downforce on an Exige which make it a bit of a brick at silly speeds- good for corners but not for straights.

I have upgraded the diverter valve to the revision d type, bought the RS4 fuel pressure regulating valve, upgraded the fuel pump with the autotech internals... is there anything else I have missed there?

 :drool:

Don't let TC see this, or he won't just be dribbling out his mouth..  :drool:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: baldwined30 on October 25, 2011, 04:02:31 pm
I am reading all these threads with interest.

Funny the Exige should be mentioned as I am currently putting a 20k miles 2.0T FSI out of an Ed30 Golf into my Lotus Elise 111R. With the help of a proalloy chargecooler we are going for a Stage 2+ map so 360 bhp in a 900 kg car should be fun  :laugh: Probably a fair comment about the performance once you are into three figures but much of that is down to the downforce on an Exige which make it a bit of a brick at silly speeds- good for corners but not for straights.

I have upgraded the diverter valve to the revision d type, bought the RS4 fuel pressure regulating valve, upgraded the fuel pump with the autotech internals... is there anything else I have missed there?

 :drool:

Don't let TC see this, or he won't just be dribbling out his mouth..  :drool:
As apposed to dribbing out of........
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: bacillus on October 25, 2011, 04:02:39 pm
I have upgraded the diverter valve to the revision d type, bought the RS4 fuel pressure regulating valve, upgraded the fuel pump with the autotech internals... is there anything else I have missed there?

I would consider changing the stock pcv to either the bsh revamp or the eurojet pcv fix as a second choice.
http://dubtek.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=22_32_33&products_id=477
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Rupert on October 25, 2011, 04:06:42 pm
I have upgraded the diverter valve to the revision d type, bought the RS4 fuel pressure regulating valve, upgraded the fuel pump with the autotech internals... is there anything else I have missed there?

I would consider changing the stock pcv to either the bsh revamp or the eurojet pcv fix as a second choice.
http://dubtek.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=22_32_33&products_id=477


Thank you very much for that- a new one on me. Very keen to upgrade these components now rather than finding out that something isn't up to the job when out on the road.

Sorry- didn't mean to hijack this thread  :happy2:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: baldwined30 on October 25, 2011, 04:54:13 pm
I've heard mixed reviews about these??? Do they not effect MPG in a negative way?
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Saint Steve on October 25, 2011, 05:01:58 pm
I would stick with the latest revision OEM PCV. Not keen on blanking off the Crankcase breather... but ETTO.
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: bacillus on October 25, 2011, 05:12:17 pm
I've heard mixed reviews about these??? Do they not effect MPG in a negative way?

Never had a problem with either version mentioned above. If anything I got a small increase in both mpg and boost but this will depend on how efficient the oem pcv was working in the first instance.
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: baldwined30 on October 25, 2011, 05:58:03 pm
Ill stick with my standard one at the mo! Seems to work ok for me!!
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: heavyd on October 25, 2011, 07:53:08 pm
I would stick with the latest revision OEM PCV. Not keen on blanking off the Crankcase breather... but ETTO.

It doesnt blank it off steve, it simply routes it through the rear pcv outlet, same place that the gases go when the engine is under load :wink:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Saint Steve on October 25, 2011, 07:56:31 pm
Im sure if it was an issue, Vw would of re-routed or  revised the PCV.

Some things are worth keeping as they were researced to do, without risking major issues...

Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: heavyd on October 25, 2011, 07:59:33 pm
For example
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fb150%2Fheavyd123%2Fboost.jpg&hash=a52f5b6260722f4d872d3fb316e1a8381b037b95)
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Hedge on October 25, 2011, 08:44:56 pm
Im sure if it was an issue, Vw would of re-routed or  revised the PCV.


They did on the TSI.  :wink:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: rich83 on October 25, 2011, 09:04:30 pm
Im sure if it was an issue, Vw would of re-routed or  revised the PCV.


They did on the TSI.  :wink:


Did they put bigger brakes on the TSI?
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Hedge on October 25, 2011, 09:09:07 pm
Nope just on mine and Carls.  :wink:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: rich83 on October 25, 2011, 09:16:15 pm
Nope just on mine and Carls.  :wink:

:wink:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Saint Steve on October 25, 2011, 09:21:57 pm
Im sure if it was an issue, Vw would of re-routed or  revised the PCV.


They did on the TSI.  :wink:
i know, but we're talking TFSI  :P
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Hedge on October 25, 2011, 09:37:43 pm
Im sure if it was an issue, Vw would of re-routed or  revised the PCV.


They did on the TSI.  :wink:
i know, but we're talking TFSI  :P

Ah yes the legacy engine.  :laugh:  :P
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Saint Steve on October 25, 2011, 09:40:16 pm
Question is though Ian, was it re designed on the Golf R  :popcornsoda:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Hedge on October 25, 2011, 09:49:24 pm
Who's asking that question Steve?
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Saint Steve on October 25, 2011, 09:53:19 pm
Well i was asking ian, because if it was a major design flaw on the TFSI engine, then surely they would of done something on the current car being sold with the same engine in.. the Golf R..

I asking because im unsure, whether the Rev N is fitted, or Vw have done a re-design to sure this issue that people say having oily inlet valves are causing performance and Emmisions issues, which i feel it doesnt..
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Hedge on October 25, 2011, 10:01:10 pm
I don't think you can say without removing the inlet manifold Steve regarding the state of the valves.

As for the Golf R. Who knows. Essentially though they redesigned the PCV solution on the TSI but probably left as is on the R engine.
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on October 25, 2011, 10:07:20 pm
Mine did 85,000 miles (modded) with stock PCV and never had any issues.. Nor did it suffer from lack of performance either..  :wink:





















Probably blown up now though...  :signLOL:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Hedge on October 25, 2011, 10:10:39 pm
But without removing the inlet manifold you have no idea of the state of the valves....
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Rupert on October 26, 2011, 09:18:08 am
I would stick with the latest revision OEM PCV. Not keen on blanking off the Crankcase breather... but ETTO.

Does anyone know the part number for the latest revision OEM PCV?
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: fab5freddy on October 26, 2011, 01:53:03 pm
^^^^ 06F 129 101 N   :happy2:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Rupert on October 26, 2011, 03:01:05 pm
^^^^ 06F 129 101 N   :happy2:

You star- thank you  :happy2:
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: Saint Steve on October 26, 2011, 03:17:33 pm
The inlet manifold doesn't look a hard job to remove and inspect, and if neccessary clean if power loss is an issue.
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: jon-tfsi on October 26, 2011, 06:58:40 pm
Removing the inlet manifold is a it of a fanny-on but you can stick a camera in the middle of the manifold once a temp sensor has been removed and easily check cylinders 1 and 2  :happy2:

Im not sure it was a bore scope but ACR checked mine a few years ago by this method
Title: Re: Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!
Post by: micky 32 on October 27, 2011, 12:21:28 pm
Mine did 85,000 miles (modded) with stock PCV and never had any issues.. Nor did it suffer from lack of performance either..  :wink:























Probably blown up now though...  :signLOL:

i'm still on my original with 103,000, modded all it's life.