MK5 Golf GTI
General => Random Chat => Topic started by: berg on November 15, 2011, 10:48:15 am
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Have been looking at these on autotrader and pistonheads, probably not going to happen but you never know.
Which one would you plump for and why? Does anyone have experience of driving/owning both?
Both V8, 414bhp - I look at the Avant and think I would have that as nice and understated and pretty cool, but then you look at the M3 saloon and I cant think of a BMW I would rather have - and that included the M5 and 1M. Running costs should be similiar or am I right in thinking that BMW servicing and parts more expensive than Audi? Also can only get the Avant up t a 57 reg so is cheaper to buy.
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Id take the M3 :happy2:
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M3
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E9x M3?
Having spent time driving both, deffo the M3. Both are superb on the road, but when turning up to 11 the M3 shows its class and rewards being pushed.
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RS4 all day long, 4wd traction with understated looks and its more tuneable, plus unless your an Oakley wearing Barrow Boy the M3 wont be for you :grin:
I have driven a BMW M3 CSL (04 plate) and an Audi RS4 (07 plate) and preferred the Audi for all round, the CSL sounds like a Spitfire in max attack mode, but unless you drive fast all the time the audi is more comfortable and just as quick!
Plus we all know what Top Gear Team think of M3 drivers (and the masses too) :grin:
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And we all know what Audi drivers are like too...
Why is the RS4 more tuneable?
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Oh dear, Tamiyoman....
Step away from your VAG loyalty and what you've been spoonfed by 3rd hand info, let's just deal with facts, eh?
RS4 is better than an E46 but not a CSL, E9x is better than an RS4. Tunable?? There's (by comparison) nothing on the M3 aftermarket, simply because it doesn't need it...
The very same source of your stupid opinion also puts the E9x leagues ahead of the RS4.
If you're calling M3 owners Barrow boys, then RS4s are drug dealers cars.
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I went from an audi S3 to an E46 m3 a few years ago... it was the biggest mistake I've made (in car terms).
Its sooooo much more expensive to run. Fuel, its constant hunger for rear tyres at about £280 each, Dealership costs (I had a warranty but even then there was the excess each time it went in and the servicing with the local dealer charging £110 an hr plus VAT, parts and accessories way more than VAG.
It was fun and I'm glad I had an M3... but i've finally got back into a VAG turbo hatch after a couple of years of paying for the money I lost on the M3 and I'm much happier... on our roads you cant really use an M3 and without a turbo... a few times it felt pretty slow in comparison to a well mapped VAG turbo actually. Not a lot of torque on those things.
Anyway I know your not talking about an E46 but if you are looking at that shape get the CSL. It wont lose money. At the time the CSL was about £4k more than my high spec M3 but 6 months later my M3 had dropped £4k and the CSL had gone up about £3k... They constantly trade for £26k-£30k now and are a pretty good investment.
I've driven a couple of E90 M3s and they are nicer to drive, better built, and quicker but still hideously expensive to run and own compared to a GTI and are still losing a fair bit of money.
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RS4 hands down :happy2:
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Tony - I meant the latest M3 - sorry I dont know the current subcode.
We need a bigger car and my wife is fed up of my modding and taking the ED30 to Stg 2+ with stiff mounts etc.
I have said that will get a bigger car and not modify it as long as I consider it to be a step up from the Gti - otherwise have told her will have to make do :P
I only work 3 miles from home so 6 miles a day, so I might be able to afford to run one as am not finding the Gti expensive to run at all on v power due to my annual mileage being about 8-10k.
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What's wrong with a stage 2+ S3 sportback :laugh:
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What's wrong with a stage 2+ S3 sportback :laugh:
I dont think the boot capacity on a sportback is better than a Gti? Was looking at RS3 boot and pretty sure it is smaller than a Gti? I dont want to part with the ED30 - but first born is on the way next summer and not convinced will get all the baby gear into the gti which my wife has her eye on!
At jedi knight - yes am concerned about the thirst for fuel.
Am I missing another alternative - I need a fast, practical car which is more practical than a 5 dr ED30? Octavia VRS estate? Impreza Sti could be an option I suppose...
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Yeah, latest shape is E90/2 depending on how many doors it has.
To be honest you won't go wrong with either car, the M3 has the DCT option (BMW's DSG) if you fancy a change from manual - but both are going to be equally bad on parts, insurance, tyres, fuel.... they're a £50k+ car with £50k+ running costs, never mind how much they've depreciated.
Drive both, make your own mind up. :happy2:
You might get into a new shape S4, the V6 Bi-turbo is a belting engine and the car is very nice.
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If your having a baby the golf just takes everything you can throw at it kids wise and if it's a 5 door life could not be easier. The Gti ticks too many boxes for a family car but is still fun to drive
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I'll just second what TonyD has just posted, newer shape S4 would be my punt at what might do the trick.
Obviously depending on what you want to spend.
As a pointer we bought a new shape A4 TDi 170 Avant this year (changed from a 5dr Mk5 Golf) and whilst you'll not get a wardrobe in the back the car is big enough, for our 11 month old and both dogs.
The car feels very planted and can actually be hustled along as a fair old pace and seems to shrink round you.
To me it feels like a slightly wider Golf. Even taking into account the diesel engine.
I'd think the petrol engined S4 with maybe a S-tronic box would be all the car you'd need and likely be quite tunable too.
Plus like the S-line it has the Audi 'tart lights' on the front..drl's etc
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I think it's testament to the E90 M3 that it is still beating new competition in group tests even though it's reaching the end of it's life. I'd have one in an instance.
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Good points, had not thought about an S4. Maybe I can string the Golf out for longer as Matt says should be ok for one child.
I think the only real benefits of the RS4 over the M3 are - cheaper to buy, slightly cheaper to run, you can get an avant shape, as still in VAG group perhaps you can still interchange some parts eg put R8 or RS6 bits on it.
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It's a very tough call, as to what is going to suit your needs.
I decided a 2.0tdi A6 avant and a fast coupe was the way forward :signLOL:
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BMW M3 Competition Pack = :drool:
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It's a very tough call, as to what is going to suit your needs.
I decided a 2.0tdi A6 avant and a fast coupe was the way forward :signLOL:
yeah dont think will be able to run 2 cars hence why i need a great all rounder with 4 drs and a decent boot. i dont really do enough miles to warrant a diesel. Will have a look see at the BMW touring estates too they look pretty cool..
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the S3's boot will be smaller than the GTI's because of the rear diff. it'll still be a practical car tho, with the rear seats down i managed to get my ENTIRE LIFE into a 3dr A3 FWD and back to my parents' house when i was at uni.
ignoring the 8P for a second, i'm not a fan of the M3's styling compared with the RS4. i'd get a Mugello Blue RS4 Avant all day long. it's just my personal preference - i don't really think one is better than the other just that with your little one in the back it'd be nice knowing you can't crash it in the snow etc.
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Oh dear, Tamiyoman....
Step away from your VAG loyalty and what you've been spoonfed by 3rd hand info, let's just deal with facts, eh?
RS4 is better than an E46 but not a CSL, E9x is better than an RS4. Tunable?? There's (by comparison) nothing on the M3 aftermarket, simply because it doesn't need it...
The very same source of your stupid opinion also puts the E9x leagues ahead of the RS4.
If you're calling M3 owners Barrow boys, then RS4s are drug dealers cars.
Couldn't have put it better myself!!
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Fast wardrobes on wheels are generally German - 335i touring, S4 avant. Both good and no M/RS tax.
Left field, an R36 estate?
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I went from an audi S3 to an E46 m3 a few years ago... it was the biggest mistake I've made (in car terms).
Its sooooo much more expensive to run. Fuel, its constant hunger for rear tyres at about £280 each, Dealership costs (I had a warranty but even then there was the excess each time it went in and the servicing with the local dealer charging £110 an hr plus VAT, parts and accessories way more than VAG.
It was fun and I'm glad I had an M3... but i've finally got back into a VAG turbo hatch after a couple of years of paying for the money I lost on the M3 and I'm much happier... on our roads you cant really use an M3 and without a turbo... a few times it felt pretty slow in comparison to a well mapped VAG turbo actually. Not a lot of torque on those things.
Anyway I know your not talking about an E46 but if you are looking at that shape get the CSL. It wont lose money. At the time the CSL was about £4k more than my high spec M3 but 6 months later my M3 had dropped £4k and the CSL had gone up about £3k... They constantly trade for £26k-£30k now and are a pretty good investment.
I've driven a couple of E90 M3s and they are nicer to drive, better built, and quicker but still hideously expensive to run and own compared to a GTI and are still losing a fair bit of money.
If you find a decent specialist then the servicing cost is pretty much the same as the GTI, actually mine has been cheaper thus far! Petrol...yes you're right it drinks it! Rear tyres, again yeah @£280 a corner it does get a bit tedious! Having said that though, i don't find myself replacing them any more frequently that i did the GTI's front tyres.
Well mapped VAG turbo cars are absolutely fantastic, but I'm surprised to hear that you don't miss screaming up to an 8000rpm redline with an engine that sounds like a race car! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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....... just that with your little one in the back it'd be nice knowing you can't crash it in the snow etc.
WHAT?
You think 4WD in a 4xxHP car running 255/30/19 tyres is going to save you in the snow??? Believe me, you'll stack one just as fast as any other car.
The entire population of the world doesn't just abandon their RWD cars for the snow season, they use winter tyres. Something this country is way behind on.
Watch this
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If your on snow and your going sideways then quattro will not save you, nor will it help you when your braking.
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The problem is, on a VAG-orientated forum such as this, if you post a question about any other car manufacturer you'll get the majority of people dismissing it and pushing the VAG equivalent. And vice versa if it was posted on a BMW/Merc forum etc....
You'll never get a completely objective view!
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i'd take the 4 door of the current incarnation M3, nice and descreet, rarer and cheaper and superb family motor, just look pure class :happy2:
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...just that with your little one in the back it'd be nice knowing you can't crash it in the snow etc.
Bloody hell, do you work for the Daily Mail?
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Get an m3 and some silly cheap 4wd for the snow simple
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...just that with your little one in the back it'd be nice knowing you can't crash it in the snow etc.
Bloody hell, do you work for the Daily Mail?
:grin:
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The R32 was useless in the snow! Especially when sliding sideways :signLOL:
M3 Saloon would be my choice, especially as alot of RS4's didn't make the power, and I find all the Audis i've driven(S3, S4 avant/cabriolet, both gen RS4's, both gen RS6's) had very vague steering...
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My S6 was awesome in the snow but also a proper handful. Winter tyres are the answer with RWD or 4WD.
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...just that with your little one in the back it'd be nice knowing you can't crash it in the snow etc.
Bloody hell, do you work for the Daily Mail?
:grin:
there was obviously an element of hyperbole attached to that statement, but i would rather quattro as a family wagon if it's a part time baby carrier and shopping trolley. if it was just for me i'd buy an M3 - i'd love to die up a tree in a fireball... if i wasn't indestructible that is.
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Oh dear, Tamiyoman....
Step away from your VAG loyalty and what you've been spoonfed by 3rd hand info, let's just deal with facts, eh?
RS4 is better than an E46 but not a CSL, E9x is better than an RS4. Tunable?? There's (by comparison) nothing on the M3 aftermarket, simply because it doesn't need it...
The very same source of your stupid opinion also puts the E9x leagues ahead of the RS4.
If you're calling M3 owners Barrow boys, then RS4s are drug dealers cars.
Spoonfed 3rd hand?, maybe you did not read fully before jumping in chap, i DROVE both and preferred the RS4, especially as it was an Avante and had loads of room for being a family car as opposed to a weekend toy!.
CSL was a good car, but MY OWN opinion based on driving BOTH cars was I preferred the RS4 (I am Allowed to have my OWN opnion right?). Yes if owners of M3's are barrow boys, that makes RS4's window cleaners cars, i know 4 window cleaners and 3 of them have RS4's :P, plus i thought Range Rover Sports and X5 were drug dealers cars, they are where im from anyway! :grin:
No brand loyalty required chap, as mentioned above twice it was MY opnion and not yours, get a brew and chill out fella :booty:
Tuneable?, Milltek exhausts, air filters, re-maps to start off, i know as one of my mates who has one of the RS4's (who is a window cleaner) has his re-mapped and with milltek exhaust (with valves that open when sport button pressed).
@ Rich, not talking about V8 mate, was talking about the CSL :P straight 6 engine, its the only M3 I have driven with more than 4 cylinders and yes they do hold money the CSL, but not ideal for family car :signLOL:
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You still have not explained why the 4.2 FSI V8 is more tuneable then the M3 V8 lump...
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What about a C63 AMG ? If you can afford the fuel !
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You still have not explained why the 4.2 FSI V8 is more tuneable then the M3 V8 lump...
Rich, not talking about V8 mate, was talking about the CSL straight 6 engine, its the only M3 I have driven with more than 4 cylinders and yes they do hold money the CSL, but not ideal for family car
Bottom line (In my opinion) the RS4 Avant makes a better family car than an M3, hope i dont get shot for saying that :confused:
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You still have not explained why the 4.2 FSI V8 is more tuneable then the M3 V8 lump...
Rich, not talking about V8 mate, was talking about the CSL straight 6 engine, its the only M3 I have driven with more than 4 cylinders and yes they do hold money the CSL, but not ideal for family car
What difference does it make.. they are all NASP. Is it because the M3 is highly tuned in the first place?
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Sorry no idea what NASP means?.
I know the CSL was pretty much tuned as far as BMW could take it (without major costs) whereas RS4 is tuneable with added parts are relatively low costs.
Think i seem to have opened a can of worms with my opinion and upset some M3 fans too :wink:
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Normally aspirated
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Oh dear, Tamiyoman....
Step away from your VAG loyalty and what you've been spoonfed by 3rd hand info, let's just deal with facts, eh?
RS4 is better than an E46 but not a CSL, E9x is better than an RS4. Tunable?? There's (by comparison) nothing on the M3 aftermarket, simply because it doesn't need it...
The very same source of your stupid opinion also puts the E9x leagues ahead of the RS4.
If you're calling M3 owners Barrow boys, then RS4s are drug dealers cars.
Spoonfed 3rd hand?, maybe you did not read fully before jumping in chap, i DROVE both and preferred the RS4, especially as it was an Avante and had loads of room for being a family car as opposed to a weekend toy!.
CSL was a good car, but MY OWN opinion based on driving BOTH cars was I preferred the RS4 (I am Allowed to have my OWN opnion right?). Yes if owners of M3's are barrow boys, that makes RS4's window cleaners cars, i know 4 window cleaners and 3 of them have RS4's :P, plus i thought Range Rover Sports and X5 were drug dealers cars, they are where im from anyway! :grin:
No brand loyalty required chap, as mentioned above twice it was MY opnion and not yours, get a brew and chill out fella :booty:
Tuneable?, Milltek exhausts, air filters, re-maps to start off, i know as one of my mates who has one of the RS4's (who is a window cleaner) has his re-mapped and with milltek exhaust (with valves that open when sport button pressed).
@ Rich, not talking about V8 mate, was talking about the CSL :P straight 6 engine, its the only M3 I have driven with more than 4 cylinders and yes they do hold money the CSL, but not ideal for family car :signLOL:
You quoted a load of straight out of Top Gear stereotypical sh*t. Thus I chose to rib you a bit, and that's all it was :happy2:
My window cleaner wouldn't look twice at an RS4.
I'm off for that brew :signLOL:
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In seriousness though, the E46 was an old car when the RS4 arrived, and it's quite rightly a big jump ahead of it. So you've got a good point.
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This should help you make up your mind.
Personally I'd go for neither. :innocent:
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For me whilst i can appreciate that the RS4 and M3 V8 are great cars both leave me cold if i'm honest, it's almost like they have become a cliche as the 'next step' performance car of choice..
If i was lucky enough to be considering that level of ownership cost etc i'd be kicking the back door of the local Mercedes dealer in for a C63 AMG if only for the sense of occasion you'd get every time you fired it up :notworthy:
Saying that, if i had to choose between the two, i'd go M3 :smiley:
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Not a fan of Audi,RS4 is nice tho but I'd rather the m3, Audi pitches allways look dull and boring too, never any character,all look the same and all horrid dark metallic colours so I wouldn't even look for the RS4 to start with :signLOL:
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i dont think could stretch to an m3 now, besides would love to see what the new version will be like as will be better on fuel with a twin turbo v6 probably... in the meantime i will look at r36 estate, wrx sti etc i think
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Jesus, the R36 ain't economical!
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It probably is compared to the RS4. :scared:
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Love the R36, great looking car
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Ill probably get shot down in flames for this, but have you considered the Insignia VXR. Its years ahead of the old vectra VXR, and is actually a fantastic car to drive.
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Plus £500 will get you this
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A decent suggestion. They do have a very Germanic feel and plenty of road presence. I'm guessing they score well in value terms too.
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no sy, cant say I had but maybe should broaden my horizons a bit. I think the Golf will be ok with one kids stuff but probably plan to go for a Mark II relatively quickly :rolleye:
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Great thread :grin:
The new S4 is the best suggestion yet for the OP's circumstances, q car looks, exceptional performance with the obligatory map and cheap as chips!
The RS4 has aged terribly IMO, it just doesn't excite me anymore. Where as the M3 does, I went to my local BM garage the other day and parked outside was a spanking M3 with the competition pack and a LOT of carbon! I nearly wet myself on the spot!
I've driven an M3 with DCT and it was AWESOME! Such an occasion! I dont imagine the RS4 to be to dissimilar to drive than mine, whilst serving me well it doesn't give me the thrill that a high powered RWD car does! It's just a point and go sort of drive, I never get the feeling that it's gonna put me in a wall if I push on too hard! Where as the M3 could bite me
very easily, if I ran out of talent. I know that may sound daft but I like to scare myself every now and again, it ain't happened to me yet in a quattro car where as the M3 scared me every time I went round a corner pressing on!
Anyways M3 FTMW :driver:
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i defo think the RS4 Avant has aged better than the saloon
S4 did win the Q car feature in Evo didn't it.
damn and blast all these quality cars might just get a Volvo T5...
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Just remember the E9x M3 is significantly newer than the RS4 which is no longer in production. Not quite apples for apples imo!
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Great thread :grin:
The new S4 is the best suggestion yet for the OP's circumstances, q car looks, exceptional performance with the obligatory map and cheap as chips!
The RS4 has aged terribly IMO, it just doesn't excite me anymore. Where as the M3 does, I went to my local BM garage the other day and parked outside was a spanking M3 with the competition pack and a LOT of carbon! I nearly wet myself on the spot!
I've driven an M3 with DCT and it was AWESOME! Such an occasion! I dont imagine the RS4 to be to dissimilar to drive than mine, whilst serving me well it doesn't give me the thrill that a high powered RWD car does! It's just a point and go sort of drive, I never get the feeling that it's gonna put me in a wall if I push on too hard! Where as the M3 could bite me
very easily, if I ran out of talent. I know that may sound daft but I like to scare myself every now and again, it ain't happened to me yet in a quattro car where as the M3 scared me every time I went round a corner pressing on!
Anyways M3 FTMW :driver:
PMSL Tom. :congrats: So you base your car choice on the ability to kill you. :evilgrin: Maybe think about taking out a couple of wheel bolts for the Oulton track day on the 26th. :signLOL: Or let MR sick helmet drive. :wink:
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good call on the Insignia. very good looking car, not to be underestimated!!!
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m3 if pushed.
But neither for me.
Both too heavy, both too thirsty, both get outshined by hothatches in straight line duels.
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m3 if pushed.
But neither for me.
Both too heavy, both too thirsty, both get outshined by hothatches in straight line duels.
Yeah that's exactly what my thoughts are, also m3 is more appealing to the eyes for me.
If I was given another choice, I would love to have a TTRS S-tronic with some mods :evilgrin:
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good call on the Insignia. very good looking car, not to be underestimated!!!
Vxr sounds lovely too. And those brakes!
**runs for cover
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Just remember the E9x M3 is significantly newer than the RS4 which is no longer in production. Not quite apples for apples imo!
tis a fair comment, audi would need to bring a new rs4 out to be compared to new m3 - although then this m3 will be going out of production also
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m3 if pushed.
But neither for me.
Both too heavy, both too thirsty, both get outshined by hothatches in straight line duels.
Just read toms post, nail and head I think and who cares if a hot hatch is faster in a straight line! You can make ought do that but it's boring
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Still know a meg trophy is faster than a ttrs :signLOL:
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RS4 all the way
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Ive forgot what the questions was, what I want to know is how much do window cleaners get paid to be able to afford a RS4?
Sign me up!
I would have the M3. I kind of get what T88OMM is saying, I have driven a TTRS and felt in full control of it yet when driving a 335i, M3 (2004) or even a 335D they certainly kept me on my toes.
Also others have said the RS4 is now dated. Still a great bit of kit but cant imagine either will be cheap to run/maintain. Get an Evo X FQ360, great fun.
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As a previous owner of a 2007 RS4 Avant for 7 months, 7000 miles @ 16mpg.........I feel fairly well qualified to speak about it. It is an amazing car, but and it's a huge but, it drinks fuel like its going out of fashion, brakes are £2k a set, and you need the Audi warranty, just in case the worse happens. They do not make the quoted BHP, but still manage to hit the quoted figures on the road, they are hugely fast, have great road presence and I'd have another one in a shot if I could justify the fuel costs! It was a great car, and makes even a poor driver look good. Just google some reviews and you'll see that it's the best RS car Audi have ever built.
I suspected the M3 has fairly similar running costs, but for me personally just don't look as special - that's not to say I wouldnt have one though. It's a shame they don't do a tourer........
I think its best you go and take both, for an extended test drive and make up your own mind.
Good luck
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m3 if pushed.
But neither for me.
Both too heavy, both too thirsty, both get outshined by hothatches in straight line duels.
Just read toms post, nail and head I think and who cares if a hot hatch is faster in a straight line! You can make ought do that but it's boring
Had a rs4 for a while, dont know what the fuss was about, didnt excite me, wasnt all that, prefered to take my 360bhp cupra for a blast instead on cross country roads as it was more involving trying to tame all that power even though the rs4 would be quicker.
The RS4 would be my weapon of choice as a family car and when going on longer motorway journeys.
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As a previous owner of a 2007 RS4 Avant for 7 months, 7000 miles @ 16mpg.........I feel fairly well qualified to speak about it. It is an amazing car, but and it's a huge but, it drinks fuel like its going out of fashion, brakes are £2k a set, and you need the Audi warranty, just in case the worse happens. They do not make the quoted BHP, but still manage to hit the quoted figures on the road, they are hugely fast, have great road presence and I'd have another one in a shot if I could justify the fuel costs! It was a great car, and makes even a poor driver look good. Just google some reviews and you'll see that it's the best RS car Audi have ever built.
I suspected the M3 has fairly similar running costs, but for me personally just don't look as special - that's not to say I wouldnt have one though. It's a shame they don't do a tourer........
I think its best you go and take both, for an extended test drive and make up your own mind.
Good luck
Good info thanks. ouch 16mpg and getting about 24-26 on the ED30 at mo so would cost me another 1/3 in fuel in a month
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Did someone mention an M3???
How about some shots of what the new one is predicted to look like...
http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=609964 (http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=609964)
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The new 3 series doesn't do it for me atm, but then again most BMW's are like that with me initally.. But this... :drool:
As for the Insignia idea... :signLOL: The only part of the Insignia that is quick is the depreciation. The 2 tonne Vauxhall doesn't even enter the ball park with the likes of the M3/RS4/C63. It struggles to shrug off a Corsa VXR in a straight line.. :signLOL:
Not sure what it's like round the twisty stuff, but i'd happily give it credit if it was anything other than crap..
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Ive forgot what the questions was, what I want to know is how much do window cleaners get paid to be able to afford a RS4?
Sign me up!
I would have the M3. I kind of get what T88OMM is saying, I have driven a TTRS and felt in full control of it yet when driving a 335i, M3 (2004) or even a 335D they certainly kept me on my toes.
Also others have said the RS4 is now dated. Still a great bit of kit but cant imagine either will be cheap to run/maintain. Get an Evo X FQ360, great fun.
Window cleaners earn a fortune mate, like most of the tradesman who get paid cash they are always minted, the guy whose RS4 I drove (who used to clean my windows) has a 5 bed house in a nice area (he is only 34) has the RS4 and his wife/girlfirned (not sure) has an A3 Sportback (think its a 58 plate?).
I know he does well for himself as he is always on holiday and he has a mate to do his rounds when he is away (he also has an RS4!!), if you see an RS4 in manchester area with a pair of ladders on the roof, you have seen John or his mate (Simon i think?).
In the area where i come from originally, all tradesmen are basically MINTED!, they all have Range Rovers, RR Sports and new vans and usually very attractive wives/GF's :drool: and yes I would still take the RS4 over the M3 for previosuly stated reasons :happy2:
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self employed tradesmen make good money, agreed.
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self employed tradesmen make good money, agreed.
Well.. we would all be much better off if we got paid cash and didn't declare it.... :confused:
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Did someone mention an M3???
How about some shots of what the new one is predicted to look like...
http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=609964 (http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=609964)
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The new 3 series doesn't do it for me atm, but then again most BMW's are like that with me initally.. But this... :drool:
As for the Insignia idea... :signLOL: The only part of the Insignia that is quick is the depreciation. The 2 tonne Vauxhall doesn't even enter the ball park with the likes of the M3/RS4/C63. It struggles to shrug off a Corsa VXR in a straight line.. :signLOL:
Not sure what it's like round the twisty stuff, but i'd happily give it credit if it was anything other than crap..
If it looks anything remotely like that, sign me up!! JESUS!!!! :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
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Ive forgot what the questions was, what I want to know is how much do window cleaners get paid to be able to afford a RS4?
Sign me up!
I would have the M3. I kind of get what T88OMM is saying, I have driven a TTRS and felt in full control of it yet when driving a 335i, M3 (2004) or even a 335D they certainly kept me on my toes.
Also others have said the RS4 is now dated. Still a great bit of kit but cant imagine either will be cheap to run/maintain. Get an Evo X FQ360, great fun.
Window cleaners earn a fortune mate, like most of the tradesman who get paid cash they are always minted, the guy whose RS4 I drove (who used to clean my windows) has a 5 bed house in a nice area (he is only 34) has the RS4 and his wife/girlfirned (not sure) has an A3 Sportback (think its a 58 plate?).
I know he does well for himself as he is always on holiday and he has a mate to do his rounds when he is away (he also has an RS4!!), if you see an RS4 in manchester area with a pair of ladders on the roof, you have seen John or his mate (Simon i think?).
In the area where i come from originally, all tradesmen are basically MINTED!, they all have Range Rovers, RR Sports and new vans and usually very attractive wives/GF's :drool: and yes I would still take the RS4 over the M3 for previosuly stated reasons :happy2:
Lot of useful information there....................... Might want to review?
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Yeah, something tells me RS4 driving window cleaners in Manchester might have a sideline of sorts...
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Fairly easy to find too.....................
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self employed tradesmen make good money, agreed.
Well.. we would all be much better off if we got paid cash and didn't declare it.... :confused:
Oh Oh jumping to conclusions :happy2: no one said anything about not declaring it, would not say that as i dont know.
As a self emplyed person myself i understand how accountants work and how NI works too, i know personally i have to keep EVERY receipt for my accountant come late november as everything legally possible is offset against earnings so this coupled with the fact you dont pay 11% NI contributions means your better off anyway.
Plus when you drive an RS4 as your "Work" vehicle all those bills and running costs are knocked off your accounts and if his wife/gf works for him (I dont know this im just speculation) she also has allowances and also a company vehicle to offset against accounts.
IM sure someone is an accountant on here and can say that SE people definately have it easier when it comes to taxes..
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Lot of useful information there....................... Might want to review?
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Not especcially no thanks
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Yeah, something tells me RS4 driving window cleaners in Manchester might have a sideline of sorts...
Ha ha, yeah im positive my window cleaner mate is a big time gangsta with a sideline in human trafficking or black market organ trading :grin: err I dont think lol
What is it with everyone?, is it the typical british mentality rearing its ugly head, if someone who is doing well for himself, he is automatically assumed to be a crook or hated?.
Fair play to them I say they work hard they get paid thats as simple as it looks to me, im self employed and pay my taxes via my accountant every year have done for the last 6 years, prior to that I paid through the nose like all employed people
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self employed tradesmen make good money, agreed.
Well.. we would all be much better off if we got paid cash and didn't declare it.... :confused:
Oh Oh jumping to conclusions :happy2: no one said anything about not declaring it, would not say that as i dont know.
As a self emplyed person myself i understand how accountants work and how NI works too, i know personally i have to keep EVERY receipt for my accountant come late november as everything legally possible is offset against earnings so this coupled with the fact you dont pay 11% NI contributions means your better off anyway.
Plus when you drive an RS4 as your "Work" vehicle all those bills and running costs are knocked off your accounts and if his wife/gf works for him (I dont know this im just speculation) she also has allowances and also a company vehicle to offset against accounts.
IM sure someone is an accountant on here and can say that SE people definately have it easier when it comes to taxes..
Thanks for the lecture.... Im self employed so I'm fully aware of how it works. :wink:
Id like to know how much your window cleaning friends gross PA. Offsetting an RS4 against a window cleaning round is hardly gonna equate to big bucks, don't window cleaners walk between houses?
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Your welcome on the lecture :happy2: altho it was more for the employed folks benefit :innocent:, and yeah I would love to ask him how much he earns gross before allowances, but as i dont even ask my best mates what they earn i'm not likely to ask what my window cleaner earns am i :P
Regards walking between houses i believe thats true as he does a few on our road, but I dont think the ladders fly themselves from his house to his rounds tho? :grin:
Off-setting a partial value of your car (depreciation or %age per year) each year (based on purchase price) plus the majority of fuel costs (If he uses it mainly for work), adding into that the servicing costs, replacement parts, mechanics bills, cleaning costs etc etc, it soon adds up.
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Your welcome on the lecture :happy2: altho it was more for the employed folks benefit :innocent:, and yeah I would love to ask him how much he earns gross before allowances, but as i dont even ask my best mates what they earn i'm not likely to ask what my window cleaner earns am i :P
Regards walking between houses i believe thats true as he does a few on our road, but I dont think the ladders fly themselves from his house to his rounds tho?
True.... even so. Cash work..... Ill make my own mind up about what he's doing. :happy2:
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I am pretty sure that millions of people have "Forgot" to put something on their tax return whether in error, due to lack of knowledge or on purpose, I think it happens a lot, like the millions of ebay sellers who are small part time cottage industries, i suspect most of them are doing it in spare time (after work) and that money goes straight in't pocket!? To think otherwise would be naive i think?
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So errm window rounds, drug lords and eBayers M3 and RS4 ? :popcornsoda:
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Window cleaners! the new footballers :laugh:
I heard your mate refused to wash his sponges when asked to, and has now disappeared back to Skegness and refuses to come back to his round where the housewives love him. :wink:
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Sorry maybe I missed either the sarcasm or news story related to your comment as i dont get it?.
He is happy with 2 kids and is in manchester (no where near skegness!).
OK back on topic, now as I really cannot be bothered with all the questions or comments about a my window cleaner, seriously, get over it :P
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Nevermind, was just a Tevez joke. :rolleye:
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TEVEZ = TRAITOR, dont talk to me about him, he should be banned form ever playing again!! :fighting:
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self employed tradesmen make good money, agreed.
Well.. we would all be much better off if we got paid cash and didn't declare it.... :confused:
because blue collared workers possible cannot make good money :confused:
Someone better tell pimlico plumbers that they are making a mistake giving their plumbers and gas engineers a annual wage of 60k! :surprised:
As for drug dealers, I get that label all the time. Drug dealers everywhere in London, and the reality is that they dont have alot of money, and certainly dont drive around in super flash motors. Theres a very very few exceptions but the guys peddling the stuff on the corner cant even afford insurance never mind running a m3. Now as for the armed robbers, they usually do have a few more tasty motors.
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I didn't say that poverty, you are manipulating what i am saying.
self employed tradesmen make good money, agreed.
Well.. we would all be much better off if we got paid cash and didn't declare it.... :confused:
because blue collared workers possible cannot make good money :confused:
Someone better tell pimlico plumbers that they are making a mistake giving their plumbers and gas engineers a annual wage of 60k! :surprised:
As for drug dealers, I get that label all the time. Drug dealers everywhere in London, and the reality is that they dont have alot of money, and certainly dont drive around in super flash motors. Theres a very very few exceptions but the guys peddling the stuff on the corner cant even afford insurance never mind running a m3. Now as for the armed robbers, they usually do have a few more tasty motors.
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This thread is shocking, the guys a window cleaner and got a better car than you and you wear a suit, get over yourselves.
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Well said :congrats:
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This thread is shocking, the guys a window cleaner and got a better car than you and you wear a suit, get over yourselves.
The first piece of sense I have read in this thread!! :congrats:
Some very bitter and small minded people around!! :fighting:
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Jamie well said man, couldn't agree more! :happy2:
I know an awful lot of people who have very unsuspecting jobs that are earning serious serious coin!!
It's funny should mention the window cleaner, a friend of mine setup a window cleaning company about a year ago, specialising in high rise buildings and normal rounds too. It has completely taken off for him and he is making a fortune................
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Maybe I'm jumping to conclusions. I wasn't intending to knock anyone. :drinking: (and no.. i don't wear a suit either, i couldn't bear a 9-5 :signLOL:)
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This thread is shocking, the guys a window cleaner and got a better car than you and you wear a suit, get over yourselves.
The first piece of sense I have read in this thread!! :congrats:
Some very bitter and small minded people around!! :fighting:
Happy with the above. My review post still stands - fully legit or not I wouldn't want any of my work finances/assets being discussed on a public forum. Fully legit it may still bring unwanted attention from lots of quarters.
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I dont believe any "Finances" were discussed, just he had a nioce house and an RS4?.
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Inferred perhaps. Anyhow Happy.
this will do for me.......... :drool: you can keep your RS4......
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3409507.htm (http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3409507.htm)
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I'd take that QD... I bet they are mental to drive!
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Inferred perhaps. Anyhow Happy.
this will do for me.......... :drool: you can keep your RS4......
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3409507.htm (http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3409507.htm)
WANT!!!!!!
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Now that is just stunning, quite competitively priced too! Hmmmmmm :drool:
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Another :drool: from over here.. Just needs the black exhaust tips and black kidney grills to finish it off..
For those who can't stretch to £45k, how about this for half the money.. :drool:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3373379.htm
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Or
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3427702.htm (http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3427702.htm)
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Whats peoples opinion of the RS3?
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I love it when panic sets into the M3 market, that's some big hits and potential bargains right there!!
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Whats peoples opinion of the RS3?
I like it and not because its a VAG car (I like what I like :happy2:) , just cause its got a sweet engine and is rapid in std form, just imagine a few grand tuning and getting over 500bhp :drool: in a Golf R with a fur coat :grin:
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I'd much prefer the M3 over an RS3, awesome engine but they look pants!!! A regular customer of mine has one, wow it looks completely GASH! :sick:
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Wow those M3's deserve some consideration!! :surprised:
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So does this chaps... http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2583644.htm
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Yeah RS3 doesn't look £40k+ Just A3 with big grills but I kind of like that about it.
Those M3's are just :drool:
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Yeah RS3 doesn't look £40k+ Just A3 with big grills but I kind of like that about it.
Those M3's are just :drool:
Your right, i dont think the RS3 looks like a 40K car either, but in a couple of years I will gladly look at it as a £24k car :happy2: