MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Tamiyoman on February 28, 2012, 05:08:53 pm
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Had a quote from VW for cambelt change of £419 just wondered exactly what is included as VW website does not tell you (Or I cant see it) and I DID search the forum first as I know there are lots, but none that answerred my question (I got bored after reading about 15 threads!!).
I got quote from my Indy who is including the following.
Cambelt, Tensioner, Rollers, Aux belt (I guess aircon/PS?), Water Pump and new eng bolts.
Does VW include all of the above or only include Cambelt and tensioner?
Sorry to be new thread over VERY old ground but as per above could not find answers!
Cheers
P.S. its due in May (4yrs old and has 40K) :sad1: but may get it done earlier so I can go stage 1 earlier :evilgrin:
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VW include waterpump/cambelt/rollers/tensioners that's it.. usually £399.. but looks like they have added 20 pound on top..smh
also note the indy will probably not use genuine parts.. so somthing to consider
parts alone from VW inc waterpump(only if you give them your old waterpump) is around £210
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VW include waterpump/cambelt/rollers/tensioners that's it.. usually £399.. but looks like they have added 20 pound on top..smh
also note the indy will probably not use genuine parts.. so somthing to consider
parts alone from VW inc waterpump(only if you give them your old waterpump) is around £210
Hi, the Indy uses genuine VW parts, he deals with TPS and is a massive VW man and has been looking after my cars for 16 years, I was only asking as he quoted me more than VW and on my last car it was £140 cheaper than at VW. He also said he could not find a Cambelt KIT listed for Edition 30 so quoted based on parts bought seperately, is there a KIT that I can point him to?
I am sure I read on a forum on here that the bolts must be changed too (3 of them I seem to remember).
The £419 price is what it says on VW servicing costs page on website under fixed price servicing, I think it used to be £399.
Looks like its going to VW then :confused:
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Yes, I found that very few independents could match the cambelt change price from main dealers when I did mine last year.
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VW include waterpump/cambelt/rollers/tensioners that's it.. usually £399.. but looks like they have added 20 pound on top..smh
also note the indy will probably not use genuine parts.. so somthing to consider
parts alone from VW inc waterpump(only if you give them your old waterpump) is around £210
Hi, the Indy uses genuine VW parts, he deals with TPS and is a massive VW man and has been looking after my cars for 16 years, I was only asking as he quoted me more than VW and on my last car it was £140 cheaper than at VW. He also said he could not find a Cambelt KIT listed for Edition 30 so quoted based on parts bought seperately, is there a KIT that I can point him to?
I am sure I read on a forum on here that the bolts must be changed too (3 of them I seem to remember).
The £419 price is what it says on VW servicing costs page on website under fixed price servicing, I think it used to be £399.
Looks like its going to VW then :confused:
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Can i offer a third suggestion? I had the cambelt done a few months ago on my Edition 30. I got the parts from Dave at SERE motors - all genuine oem with proper invoice. All the parts (inc water pump) were £180 delivered! My mechanic fitted the parts with new coolant for £110 - so a grand total of £290 :happy2:.
Obviously, the biggest factor for you would be the labour cost of the mechanic.
hope this helps
Rich
Edit - forgot to mention. VW dont list a cambelt kit for the ED30 but Seat have one for the Leon Cupra R (i think) with all the parts complete. Dave knows exactly which one is the correct one for the ED30.
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I did quite a bit of research for this exact thing when I was changing the cambelt and water pump. I was informed that my local main dealers VW and audi do not change the rollers just the tensioner. This came from an ex audi tech and a vw master tech that sourced that parts for me. I actually bought the rollers myself from tps because he didn't get them for me as he said not really worth changing them (I changed them anyway as I am pretty anal about these things!). I think this is why the main dealer price can appear to be such a good price.
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WAIT!!!!!!!!
Can i offer a third suggestion? I had the cambelt done a few months ago on my Edition 30. I got the parts from Dave at SERE motors - all genuine oem with proper invoice. All the parts (inc water pump) were £180 delivered! My mechanic fitted the parts with new coolant for £110 - so a grand total of £290 :happy2:.
Obviously, the biggest factor for you would be the labour cost of the mechanic.
hope this helps
Rich
Edit - forgot to mention. VW dont list a cambelt kit for the ED30 but Seat have one for the Leon Cupra R (i think) with all the parts complete. Dave knows exactly which one is the correct one for the ED30.
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Hi Rich, did the price of £180 include the rollers and the bolts also, if so might give him a call and speak to my Mech about labour costs for fitting them!, also was the Pump on an exchange basis? (send old one back?).
Cheers
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Bloody hell!
My dealer quoted me over £500 for the cambelt service,last October,after the annual service.
I didn't ask what was involved,but I just imagined that it was the tensioner,rollers and belt.However,I was aware that it was a devil of a job and quite time consuming,but I put this down to removal of all the ancilliary parts.
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My Bad, i quoted the wrong price :sick:
For the cambelt kit and water pump it is £170 delivered (by parcel force). :happy2: :happy2:
The kit contains:
Belt
Tensioner
water pump
2 secondary relay rollers
there were also a couple of bolts in the kit.
The water pump is on an exchange basis but only cost £3-£4 to send back.
You also get the proper 2 year VAG warranty as the parts are of course genuine with a proper invoice from the dealership.
Hows that sound?
Rich
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The kit contains:
Belt
Tensioner
water pump
2 secondary relay rollers
there were also a couple of bolts in the kit.
Does anyone have the part numbers for all of the above bits for an Ed30? Thanks.
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My Bad, i quoted the wrong price :sick:
For the cambelt kit and water pump it is £170 delivered (by parcel force). :happy2: :happy2:
The kit contains:
Belt
Tensioner
water pump
2 secondary relay rollers
there were also a couple of bolts in the kit.
The water pump is on an exchange basis but only cost £3-£4 to send back.
You also get the proper 2 year VAG warranty as the parts are of course genuine with a proper invoice from the dealership.
Hows that sound?
Rich
Sounds good to me, will speak to Mech later this week and get a quote for fittting my supplied parts, I think it should be about 2 hours to do the job maybe 2.5?
Can you give me the guys contact details also?
Cheers
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my cars booked in at the dealers for thursday :happy2:
will list all parts and numbers when i collect thursday nite :happy2:
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My Bad, i quoted the wrong price :sick:
For the cambelt kit and water pump it is £170 delivered (by parcel force). :happy2: :happy2:
The kit contains:
Belt
Tensioner
water pump
2 secondary relay rollers
there were also a couple of bolts in the kit.
The water pump is on an exchange basis but only cost £3-£4 to send back.
You also get the proper 2 year VAG warranty as the parts are of course genuine with a proper invoice from the dealership.
Hows that sound?
Rich
Sounds good to me, will speak to Mech later this week and get a quote for fittting my supplied parts, I think it should be about 2 hours to do the job maybe 2.5?
Can you give me the guys contact details also?
Cheers
For David's contact details:
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=191165 (http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=191165)
If you email him during the day, you should get a response within a couple of hours.
Tell him Richard Chung recommended him to you :happy2:
thanks
Rich
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My Bad, i quoted the wrong price :sick:
For the cambelt kit and water pump it is £170 delivered (by parcel force). :happy2: :happy2:
The kit contains:
Belt
Tensioner
water pump
2 secondary relay rollers
there were also a couple of bolts in the kit.
The water pump is on an exchange basis but only cost £3-£4 to send back.
You also get the proper 2 year VAG warranty as the parts are of course genuine with a proper invoice from the dealership.
Hows that sound?
Rich
Sounds good to me, will speak to Mech later this week and get a quote for fittting my supplied parts, I think it should be about 2 hours to do the job maybe 2.5?
Can you give me the guys contact details also?
Cheers
Dont forget your 4 year dsg service too :happy2:
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My Bad, i quoted the wrong price :sick:
For the cambelt kit and water pump it is £170 delivered (by parcel force). :happy2: :happy2:
The kit contains:
Belt
Tensioner
water pump
2 secondary relay rollers
there were also a couple of bolts in the kit.
The water pump is on an exchange basis but only cost £3-£4 to send back.
You also get the proper 2 year VAG warranty as the parts are of course genuine with a proper invoice from the dealership.
Hows that sound?
Rich
Sounds good to me, will speak to Mech later this week and get a quote for fittting my supplied parts, I think it should be about 2 hours to do the job maybe 2.5?
Can you give me the guys contact details also?
Cheers
Dont forget your 4 year dsg service too :happy2:
DSG service was done in October when the previous owner had Mechatronics replaced under warranty, it clearly shows oil and filter replaced at same time :happy2:
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I got a cambelt kit and water pump from Dave at SERE a couple of weeks ago for £128.50 so not sure how much he'll charge you for postage.
You do need to return your old water pump within 30 days but defo a good price.
let me know if you want his phone number.
Cheers
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I got a cambelt kit and water pump from Dave at SERE a couple of weeks ago for £128.50 so not sure how much he'll charge you for postage.
You do need to return your old water pump within 30 days but defo a good price.
let me know if you want his phone number.
Cheers
Hi Suave, yes phone number will be usefull (saves me looking it up lol), hopefully the postage wont be £41.50 :surprised: (should be around £10) but is yours an ED30 as prices mioght differ between GTI and Ed30?
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PM sent
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Tamiyoman
Let me know if you didnt get my PM. Not sure about my message box and dont want you hanging on unneccesarily for my PM.
i did send it - i think...
Cheers
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Tamiyoman
Let me know if you didnt get my PM. Not sure about my message box and dont want you hanging on unneccesarily for my PM.
i did send it - i think...
Cheers
Yes I got it, I actually just called him for a price for Ed30 parts, gave him my engine code off Logbook BYD (Hope thats right lol), he is calling me back with a price when he has looked it up, just called my garage asking for price of fitting parts that I sourced, so hopefully get the price down, how long does a Cambelt and waterpump take to change, i seem to think its about 2 to 2.5hrs?
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I think the max postage Dave charges is £10,but then you would have additional postage for returning the old water pump,make sure you give him your vin number.
I got a cambelt kit and water pump from Dave at SERE a couple of weeks ago for £128.50 so not sure how much he'll charge you for postage.
You do need to return your old water pump within 30 days but defo a good price.
let me know if you want his phone number.
Cheers
Hi Suave, yes phone number will be usefull (saves me looking it up lol), hopefully the postage wont be £41.50 :surprised: (should be around £10) but is yours an ED30 as prices mioght differ between GTI and Ed30?
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What about Stafford Audi?
http://www.audicambelt.co.uk/index.php
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I think the max postage Dave charges is £10,but then you would have additional postage for returning the old water pump,make sure you give him your vin number.
I got a cambelt kit and water pump from Dave at SERE a couple of weeks ago for £128.50 so not sure how much he'll charge you for postage.
You do need to return your old water pump within 30 days but defo a good price.
let me know if you want his phone number.
Cheers
Hi Suave, yes phone number will be usefull (saves me looking it up lol), hopefully the postage wont be £41.50 :surprised: (should be around £10) but is yours an ED30 as prices mioght differ between GTI and Ed30?
Dave called me back and told me the Ed30 cambelt and waterpump kit is the same as the BYJ engine Seat (assume thats a Cupra R with K04?), quoted me happy at £167.50 shipped and it will cost me around £3-4 to send back old waterpump, sounds good to me, said I would call him back after my holidays and get that ordered.
Also just spoke to receptionist at local garage and she said cambelt waterpump is approx 4 to 4.5hrs?, sounds a bit much to me?
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Tam
4 hours would be right - i got a time quote yesterday from a former VW garage in Belfast and the guy said 4 hours = £168.00.
he's not doing mine though - have baby products to buy i'm afraid.
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I feel I should offer out a word of caution here -
What's going to happen if the worst happens and the belt snaps or one of the bolts snaps?
I'll tell you what'll happen -
The person fitting will deny any responsibility citing that you supplied the parts and they must have been faulty. No problem you think, they are genuine VW/Audi and carry a 2 year warranty.
The parts guy at SEAT will say "Well Sir we don't normally have any issues and I've sold hundreds, maybe thousands of these. It must have been the way it was fitted."
You may be saving a few quid but you could put yourself in a compromising position if you aren't careful.
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I think the max postage Dave charges is £10,but then you would have additional postage for returning the old water pump,make sure you give him your vin number.
I got a cambelt kit and water pump from Dave at SERE a couple of weeks ago for £128.50 so not sure how much he'll charge you for postage.
You do need to return your old water pump within 30 days but defo a good price.
let me know if you want his phone number.
Cheers
Hi Suave, yes phone number will be usefull (saves me looking it up lol), hopefully the postage wont be £41.50 :surprised: (should be around £10) but is yours an ED30 as prices mioght differ between GTI and Ed30?
Dave called me back and told me the Ed30 cambelt and waterpump kit is the same as the BYJ engine Seat (assume thats a Cupra R with K04?), quoted me happy at £167.50 shipped and it will cost me around £3-4 to send back old waterpump, sounds good to me, said I would call him back after my holidays and get that ordered.
Also just spoke to receptionist at local garage and she said cambelt waterpump is approx 4 to 4.5hrs?, sounds a bit much to me?
Happy days!!!
Maybe email a couple of indys - awesome, psi, amd etc asking for quotes on labour only for the cambelt change? you will get a more accurate picture that way.
whoever you use, make sure they use the genuine G12++ coolant - or even better, order it from Dave - otherwise, the mechanic may charge you extra for supplying the coolant!
Hope this helps
Rich
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Unfortunately for my Indy he is still currently £15 MORE than having it done at VW :surprised: I know VW change belt and tensioner and waterpump but what about rollers and bolts, if they do that it may as well go to VW.
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VW should change the bolts, it's in the repair manual - Often they don't.
The answer is to specifically request it and mark the existing bolts prior to having the work done.
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VW should change the bolts, it's in the repair manual - Often they don't.
The answer is to specifically request it and mark the existing bolts prior to having the work done.
I just thought the same, I have a tyre marker pen in red/white, could easily put a spot on each.
Will speak to VW when I get bnack off holiday and specifically request that they ensure bolts and rollers are changed over too!, hope fully (due to past transgressions) they should not charge me more in labour to do this as its all off anyway, happy to pay a few quid extra for rollers tho, but nolts should be changed as its recommmended and they come with the kit!
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I don't think the engine mount bolts are in the belt kit. I would suggest that's why they are often not changed as they are forgotten.
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I feel I should offer out a word of caution here -
What's going to happen if the worst happens and the belt snaps or one of the bolts snaps?
I'll tell you what'll happen -
The person fitting will deny any responsibility citing that you supplied the parts and they must have been faulty. No problem you think, they are genuine VW/Audi and carry a 2 year warranty.
The parts guy at SEAT will say "Well Sir we don't normally have any issues and I've sold hundreds, maybe thousands of these. It must have been the way it was fitted."
You may be saving a few quid but you could put yourself in a compromising position if you aren't careful.
that's what I was thninking.. might be better just to get it done at VW incase anything did happen..they have surplus supplies of parts in germany :laugh:
but they do make it difficult when they skimp out of doing a proper service like the little things like bolts and rollers etc
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Yes will point out to them that the bolts should be changed as per VW recommendations (but not supplied in kit and ordered seperately) and also to change rollers so I have peace of mind for the next 4 years (thats about 16000 miles for me :happy2:), good news is there are a couple of fitties at VW in Kings Lynn :love: one of them must think i drink about 15 cups of coffee a day as last time I was there a cup of coffee arrived every 20 mins! (I was there 2.5hrs) I drove home fuelled on caffeine :evilgrin:
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let us know as cambelt/waterpump is on my to do list
it would have been done already if I could fully trust a service etc..
just had to renew tax today also..£245 ouch :P
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I got the cambelt/pump/tensioners recently changed at Midland VW for £310 fully inclusive - best price I've seen.
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What about Stafford Audi?
http://www.audicambelt.co.uk/index.php
Bit far to travel, Norfolk to Staffordshire :happy2:, looks like its going to Kings Lynn VW (17 miles away).
Will have to be very specific when I book it in.
And then remind them when I get there.
1. I want the Cambelt/Water Pump/tensioner service at £419.
2. I want the Rollers changed and the 3 bolts replacing too (3 bolts should be included in charge but VW often forget so im reminding you!), I am happy to pay for rollers cost but not labour cost as its done at same time and you messed up last time! and owe me and im still bringing it to you!, if you get this right I will bring it again!.
3. I would like all the above written clearly on the job sheet to ensure its not missed
4. I will be needing a courtesy car as im not going stomping round kings lynn for 4 hours as there is nothing to do there!
5. I would like to be shown the old cambelt/tensioner/Rollers/waterpump and Bolts to ensure its been done.
Hopefully that will get things sorted.
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What about Stafford Audi?
http://www.audicambelt.co.uk/index.php
Bit far to travel, Norfolk to Staffordshire :happy2:, looks like its going to Kings Lynn VW (17 miles away).
OK but gives a benchmark for price matching.
2. I want the Rollers changed and the 3 bolts replacing too (3 bolts should be included in charge but VW often forget so im reminding you!)
As I posted above the bolts are an extra part and not included.
5. I would like to be shown the old cambelt/tensioner/Rollers/waterpump and Bolts to ensure its been done.
Unlikely to achieve much, they could show you any belt/roller/bolts and you'd not be any wiser
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I got the cambelt/pump/tensioners recently changed at Midland VW for £310 fully inclusive - best price I've seen.
yes but abit wary after they put new brake discs/pads on my car and they felt worse than my worn out pair.. so yeah.. might have to give them a ring about the brakes before I trust them with cambelt job
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What about Stafford Audi?
http://www.audicambelt.co.uk/index.php
Bit far to travel, Norfolk to Staffordshire :happy2:, looks like its going to Kings Lynn VW (17 miles away).
OK but gives a benchmark for price matching.
yes it did, cheers
2. I want the Rollers changed and the 3 bolts replacing too (3 bolts should be included in charge but VW often forget so im reminding you!)
As I posted above the bolts are an extra part and not included.
but they are recommended by VW and they should do them anyway, this will be raised as to why not included if they recommend it on cambelt service.
5. I would like to be shown the old cambelt/tensioner/Rollers/waterpump and Bolts to ensure its been done.
Unlikely to achieve much, they could show you any belt/roller/bolts and you'd not be any wiser
not true, as im marking everything I can get to with a pen (tyre letter pen)
If it comes down to me insisting its in one of 2/3 bays next to the service window, I will physically stand there and watch for 4 hours, I have the time!, benefit of being self employed, I also have a huge stubborn streak (runs in the family) and I am a Wolf not a sheep which Is why im not going Revo (Or Superchips, I associate Superchips with Ford!) as I dont want main stream, fancy something different :happy2: