MK5 Golf GTI
General => Random Chat => Topic started by: mance23 on March 10, 2012, 08:03:27 pm
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Well since my Golf GTI is being picked up on Wednesday by its new owner (fingers crossed) :signLOL:.
I have been considering new cars, I fancy a bit of performance mixed with economy. I have viewed and test drove an 09plate 330d and wasn't impressed seemed slow, has anyone ever had one that could advise me thats the way they are ? because I have had my heart set on one :confused: :confused:
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Won't be slow. I'd be looking at a 335d if I were u.
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I wish I could get a 335d, but being 24 I am limited on insurance, been quoted 1150 quid for a 330d. I just thought a car with 230bhp & 500 Nm 369 lb-ft :jumping: should have a bit more punch from the turbo but it felt flat, maybe I'm comparing it to my GTI too much.
Could always go down the tuning route :laugh:
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if your gti is stock the bmw will be as quick, they don't feel fast due to build quality and the the fact the diesel is quieter because it only revs to 5k, not as much fun mind
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135i or 123d are a good option.
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I have a client who works in green energy accounting, so his 370Z had to go, and he went for a 123d. He's a total rev-head, and he can't believe the performance considering the economy he's getting.
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Forget all this diesel nonsense! How about a VF supercharged 700 hp BMW M3 :evilgrin:
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Well since my Golf GTI is being picked up on Wednesday by its new owner (fingers crossed) :signLOL:.
I have been considering new cars, I fancy a bit of performance mixed with economy. I have viewed and test drove an 09plate 330d and wasn't impressed seemed slow, has anyone ever had one that could advise me thats the way they are ? because I have had my heart set on one :confused: :confused:
I am lookin at makin the same move, i have test drove a couple of 330d and am happy with how they go, the lower revs of a diesel and the way the power is delivered in shorts bursts maybe why you think it's seems slow. I just need to find what I am looking for and i will snap it up.
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Ed30 perhaps?
Just a thought..
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Forget all this diesel nonsense! How about a VF supercharged 700 hp BMW M3 :evilgrin:
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:signLOL: Why not! Or a 650 bhp Mk4 R32 Bi-turbo maybe? :drool:
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:signLOL: Why not! Or a 650 bhp Mk4 R32 Bi-turbo maybe? :drool:
....Good call!! :happy2:
The BMW Z4 sounds great, but............... :
^ Classic words from the Z4 driver at the end.
Driving in Europe can be rather more fun than the UK. Although I have been caught speeding in Belgium on a very similar road. No points thank goodness and I don't mind a fine quite so much.
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Brilliant Robin!
That would be my ideal mod car if money were no object!
"I've gotta get a f***** supercharger on this. I'm not havin' that" !!!!
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"I've gotta get a fooookin' supercharger on this. I'm not havin' that" !!!!
It's the way he says the F-word in his northern accent which cracks me up. He's a bit of a character anyway and quite a contrast to Sir Henry. I suspect that Lady Henry sat alongside has seen it all before.... Many times!
Now if that had happened in England the Police would have used that vid as evidence and thrown the book at them rather like they did to our mate Ron on here. It's not actually dangerous and no tailgating or sudden swerving etc, it's just speed.
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Heres a 123d with our STG1:
And a 330d with our stage 1:
Should give you an idea of what is possible for a few £££.
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I have a client who works in green energy accounting, so his 370Z had to go, and he went for a 123d. He's a total rev-head, and he can't believe the performance considering the economy he's getting.
I never really thought about the 123d, but looking as there figures, they be worth a test drive :happy2:
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Forget all this diesel nonsense! How about a VF supercharged 700 hp BMW M3 :evilgrin:
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After my test drive, There was a 12 plate M3. :drool: :drool: :drool: Until I read the tax £1000 pounds haha :jumping: :jumping: :jumping:
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Heres a 123d with our STG1:
And a 330d with our stage 1:
Should give you an idea of what is possible for a few £££.
Impressive figures with only a stage 1 map ? :laugh: how much money should I put down for my loan application haha :jumping: :jumping:
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Bloomin' 'eck Dave, that's impressive.
Can I expect similar increases from my Stage 1?
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Lovely bit of power from the 123d there, think thats jumped to the top of my list if this new job comes off :driver:
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123d is a great car, gear ratios can be frustrating, but thats about it, the engine is fantastic for a 4 pot diesel, mpg is about 15 up on any of my previous cars in different driving conditions, which doesn't sound a lot but it is 150 miles per tank which costs about £65 to fill, i always said i wouldn't get a diesel but i don't regret it, petrol is the better engine for driving enthusiastically and i would never track a diesel but for what i use a car for these days, the 123d is way better then any hot hatch.
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If you look at the power curve in the vid I posted, notice how much like a petrol the bhp climbs all the way to the limiter, gives this little oil burner a great revvy feel.
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Lovely bit of power from the 123d there, think thats jumped to the top of my list if this new job comes off :driver:
yeah it's the next car i'll be buying too. never had a BMW before, say hello to rear wheel drive!!! :driver:
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I'm almost certain I'll get a 123D when I get rid of my edition 30
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would be nice to have some company on here :signLOL: its funny as on baby bmw forum, most 123d owners have come from hot hatches, it seems a logical step to me.
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Wow 265 is great from a 2L diesel. :happy2:
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would be nice to have some company on here :signLOL: its funny as on baby bmw forum, most 123d owners have come from hot hatches, it seems a logical step to me.
What economy do you get mate?
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I'm almost certain I'll get a 123D when I get rid of my edition 30
Our kid went from his stage 2+ Ed30 to a Bluefinned 123d and has never looked back, fantastic car! :happy2:
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I'm almost certain I'll get a 123D when I get rid of my edition 30
Our kid went from his stage 2+ Ed30 to a Bluefinned 123d and has never looked back, fantastic car! :happy2:
Might go and have a test drive in one tomorrow :popcornsoda:
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Might go and have a test drive in one tomorrow :popcornsoda:
I think you'll be impressed mate! :happy2:
His @ Stage 1 is claimed to be around 250Bhp and is just as quick as my Golf at any speed under that at which you'll be worrying about dropping the soap if you get caught..
Steering feel and handling is miles apart though :happy2:
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would be nice to have some company on here :signLOL: its funny as on baby bmw forum, most 123d owners have come from hot hatches, it seems a logical step to me.
What economy do you get mate?
i tend to get between 15 and 20 more then i did in the meg, my average is 45 which was 26 in the meg, tbh the gearing is different to the 120d, so on motorway its not as efficiant, but i am very happy with 45 mpg, depends how you drive like all cars, in the specs 50 zones it gets 65 mpg all day long, lad on forum reckons on the autobahn he sat at 130 mph for an hour one night and got 28 mpg, which i can believe, drive one mate but they do take some getting used to, first and second are pointless and in the damp it bites :signLOL:
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Yeah had mine stage 1 for about 12months it's brilliant for a diesel. I drive quite sensible now as im fed up of filling this up with the mileage I do. I'm getting 520miles to a tank - £70..
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its funny as on baby bmw forum, most 123d owners have come from hot hatches, it seems a logical step to me.
....I went the other way: From a RWD straight-six shooting petrol BMW coupe to a hatch which I made hotter. I like BMW's but I'd stay loyal to petrol.
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Might go and have a test drive in one tomorrow :popcornsoda:
Steering feel and handling is miles apart though :happy2:
Which would you say is better?
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its funny as on baby bmw forum, most 123d owners have come from hot hatches, it seems a logical step to me.
....I went the other way: From a RWD straight-six shooting petrol BMW coupe to a hatch which I made hotter. I like BMW's but I'd stay loyal to petrol.
i agree red, what i meant was that, they are a hot hatch with a more grown up feel and with the current issue of trying to run a car in this day and age, £115 per year to tax, 500 miles for £70 quid and 200 bhp they are a great option, as for the petrol v diesel thing, most know my feeling on this, petrol engines are much better for pure driving feel but sadly with the milage i do i just couldn't justify running a 135i, if only :signLOL:
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Might go and have a test drive in one tomorrow :popcornsoda:
Steering feel and handling is miles apart though :happy2:
Which would you say is better?
....Isn't that's a bit like asking which is better between a blonde and a brunette? - Depends on personal preference perhaps.
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....I went the other way: From a RWD straight-six shooting petrol BMW coupe to a hatch which I made hotter. I like BMW's but I'd stay loyal to petrol.
i agree red, what i meant was that, they are a hot hatch with a more grown up feel and with the current issue of trying to run a car in this day and age, £115 per year to tax, 500 miles for £70 quid and 200 bhp they are a great option, as for the petrol v diesel thing, most know my feeling on this, petrol engines are much better for pure driving feel but sadly with the milage i do i just couldn't justify running a 135i, if only :signLOL:
....Yeah, I sympathise with all those enthusiasts who do mileages such that a diesel makes more sense. I'm lucky, and not as wealthy as most would think, because my mileage nowadays is very low.
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Might go and have a test drive in one tomorrow :popcornsoda:
Steering feel and handling is miles apart though :happy2:
Which would you say is better?
problem for me is i cannot drive it properly :signLOL: i have driven fwd hot hatches for 15 years, and tbh they are very forgiving, the bm isn't :signLOL:
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I can imagine the steering to be any more dead than the mk5 so I'm guessing he is saying the 1 series is better.
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I gotta get out of here , I'm starting to choke on the diesel fumes :rolleye:
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I gotta get out of here , I'm starting to choke on the diesel fumes :rolleye:
.... :signLOL: Me too!
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dpf no fumes :P
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Still sounds like a tractor :laugh:
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Still sounds like a tractor :laugh:
i wouldn't know mate, can't hear engine as I'm always on phone with my bluetooth headset wearing aviator shades and not using indicators :signLOL:
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Which would you say is better?
I can imagine the steering to be any more dead than the mk5 so I'm guessing he is saying the 1 series is better.
The BMW by quite a margin imo, steering 'feel', turn in and handling are simply better in every respect :happy2:
Given the choice i'd take a DCT 135i although the 123d is a close second and for most people the sensible choice given the running costs etc, i've driven a few now (more 135s though) and always been impressed but can't seem to gel with a manual version for some reason so would go for a DCT or stepauto :smiley:
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BMW 123D
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Why?
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Lovely car, it looked brilliant in the coupe format, but the engine just felt really dead.
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In standard form the 123d is far too smooth and refined, no urgency about the torque delivery like the 177hp 120d.
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In standard form the 123d is far too smooth and refined, no urgency about the torque delivery like the 177hp 120d.
Yeah thats it Dave. It felt like driving a small petrol engine, not a 2L TDI with 2 turbos bolted on it. I excepted much more of a kick from the engine, but it just wasn't there. My ed30 whacks you in the back from 2500rpm.... 123d... no whack. :signLOL:
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I know what your saying, but that is kinda the point of the engine that it doesn't have that tdi feel of one big lump of torque.
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I don't know about you guys, but I find the mission to replacing the GTI a f***ing nightmare.
It genuinely seems a hard task. I know many of you have second/third etc cars and many have replaced it, but I'm sure it wasn't easy - mind and heart.
It's of course just a Golf all things told but it's so much more to you as the owner when you live with it day in, day out.
Placing the same confidence in something else as well spec'ed, as practical, well built and as quick for sensible costs (+ that fits my preference) is just a mare' :ashamed:
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I don't know about you guys, but I find the mission to replacing the GTI a f***ing nightmare.
It genuinely seems a hard task. I know many of you have second/third etc cars and many have replaced it, but I'm sure it wasn't easy - mind and heart.
It's of course just a Golf all things told but it's so much more to you as the owner when you live with it day in, day out.
Placing the same confidence in something else as well spec'ed, as practical, well built and as quick for sensible costs (+ that fits my preference) is just a mare' :ashamed:
....Too right!!
The GTI truly is a great allrounder and a very hard act to follow. I've actually given up the idea of trading mine in.... Unless it's a straight swap for a Ferrari!
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So true robin, I'm having a really hard mental debate. Its gonna be so hard to get rid of it.
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In standard form the 123d is far too smooth and refined, no urgency about the torque delivery like the 177hp 120d.
Yeah thats it Dave. It felt like driving a small petrol engine, not a 2L TDI with 2 turbos bolted on it. I excepted much more of a kick from the engine, but it just wasn't there. My ed30 whacks you in the back from 2500rpm.... 123d... no whack. :signLOL:
Mate that's the same feeling I got from the 330d, flat as fook !! :stupid: very unimpressed. I am considering an A3 Sportback S Line TDI ? :signLOL:
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A 123d after 3-4 hours of dyno tuning is a different matter though :wink: much more urgency about it and feels so good to use the higher revs.
Same with the 330d:
For people contemplating a change from the GTI also look at the 335i as they are superb value at present, have a great auto box (manal also available) and as a package dont need much modding to be brilliant.
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335D is on the 'to try' list too dave... they are about 280 stock. Do you map those too? What gains?
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123d feels flat because of the two stage turbo and the way BMW map them, it's unusually linear for a derv - so the only indication of power is the needle heading into naughty figures very quickly.
A big hit of torque isn't a good idea in RWD. :happy2:
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123d feels flat because of the two stage turbo and the way BMW map them, it's unusually linear for a derv - so the only indication of power is the needle heading into naughty figures very quickly.
A big hit of torque isn't a good idea in RWD. :happy2:
Thats true and i suppose thats the reason it is that linear. The 1 series i drove looked superb, metallic grey and 18" twin spoke wheels, and all the gear inside. If felt more direct than the GTI, and felt lighter
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335D is on the 'to try' list too dave... they are about 280 stock. Do you map those too? What gains?
Sure do:
That is my own car in the video.
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335D is on the 'to try' list too dave... they are about 280 stock. Do you map those too? What gains?
Sure do:
That is my own car in the video.
And whats that like economy wise?
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The torque that the 335d delivers is mind blowing, it pins you in the seat from 2nd gear through to 150+ leptons, no feel that it ever runs out of steam. Sounds brilliant as well.
But it just doesnt have the fun factor that some people crave. You can drive it on the limit with dtc off and it behaves itself well and stays composed. As a fast point to point car it cant be beaten, very very difficult car to replace as well!
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Whats the MPG like Dave?
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If the missus uses it for everyday stuff (30mph zone stop start traffic everywhere) like school runs, shopping etc it gets 30-32 mpg. On a recent run to the autosport show average of 80-90 it returned 46mpg. Drive it carefully and use the low throttle torque to your advantage and I have seen 50mpg on occasion.
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If the missus uses it for everyday stuff (30mph zone stop start traffic everywhere) like school runs, shopping etc it gets 30-32 mpg. On a recent run to the autosport show average of 80-90 it returned 46mpg. Drive it carefully and use the low throttle torque to your advantage and I have seen 50mpg on occasion.
Thats pretty good. The best i see is 30 and like today i was out an about running a few errands and managed about 18 :scared:
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If you ever venture up this way both the 135i and 335d are usually here, feel free to take a drive in them.
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Thanks dave... if only you were not about 250miles away. :sad1:
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So true robin, I'm having a really hard mental debate. Its gonna be so hard to get rid of it.
Have you tried a GTD?
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So true robin, I'm having a really hard mental debate. Its gonna be so hard to get rid of it.
Have you tried a GTD?
Not yet.
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I'm almost certain I'll get a 123D when I get rid of my edition 30
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Liked my old 120d but not a patch on my ED30, however I think the 123d would be a closer match with economy as a bonus :happy2:
Msport ride is very harsh from memory but you can get some nice carbon fibre bits to make it stand out, lots of ££££££ though!! :surprised:
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i think people need to realise we are talking about diesels here so the engine will never feel like a petrol, the 335d is awesome, but is very much like a 123d in its delivery, bmw do not make hot hatches that can be compared to golf, frs etc...., hot hatches become less fun when they become sensible, bmw diesels are sensible, you have to see them for what they are, fast, comfortable, well built dailys, swapping my meg for one was the hardest car decision i have ever had to make, why? because i knew it would not even come close in terms off fun driving, but how often do i have fun driving? not a lot and the bmw is better for 99% of the time, a 135i is a different matter, if you can live with running costs, its better than any hot hatch 100% of the time imo, my point is driving one for an hour you will be trying to do the fun thing comparing to the ed 30, that won't work, i didn't even test drive mine for that reason.
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You jump in a Golf and it's easy, you can grab it by the scruff of the neck and drive it 10-10ths straight away - so they're great fun. You jump in a fast RWD and it takes time and confidence to be able to exploit it, so you initially think it's not as much fun... but learning rewards and fun comes in bucket loads.
My 135i does 30mpg, the newer N55 engines do even more. It does not do that when you leather it though. 20k servicing, £240 tax and the power & chassis to keep pace with a Cayman S on track straight out of the box. They aren't comparable to Golfs.
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Mike... I'm trying to save money, not spend it :signLOL: :signLOL:
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Mike... I'm trying to save money, not spend it :signLOL: :signLOL:
....Then what are you doing staying on this forum!? :evilgrin:
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Sure do:
That is my own car in the video.
....That's a very nicely made video - Explains everything very clearly. :congrats: :congrats: :congrats: :congrats:
Nice looking Beemer too :happy2: I prefer not to see 'd' on the badge but that's just me.
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get a gtd Rich and get it mapped
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Mike... I'm trying to save money, not spend it :signLOL: :signLOL:
....Then what are you doing staying on this forum!? :evilgrin:
Ok... bye bye Robin... :sad:
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get a gtd Rich and get it mapped
GTD is an option Andy.
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get a gtd Rich and get it mapped
Yep, or a Rocco 2.0 TDI GT.
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Rocco isn't practical... its golfs deformed sister with no boot and poor rear passenger space.
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when i went to chorley i was getting 56mpg at 70mph i know the new gtd are a lot better on fuel than mine
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Rocco isn't practical... its golfs deformed sister with no boot and poor rear passenger space.
I thought that until I lived with one for 2 weeks. And I have a 3-year-old and a 4 week baby.
Granted though, they're not as practical as a Golf, but I was surprised. Superb car.
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Cant get 3/4 full sized adults in it with 3/4 musical instruments though.... thats why the car i have is perfect, except its nasty drink problem. :signLOL:
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Haha, I'm guessing you're right! Would be fun trying though!
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A good mate of mine has a mk6 Golf GT TDI 140 with Dsg which has been mapped so is approx 175 bhp and a good few torques.
but also returns great mpg, on a trip down from yorkshire to london the other night @ 60mph (due to fog) it averaged 72mpg.
the normal average on the car is 55mpg though