MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Matjazz on May 07, 2009, 11:05:27 am
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Fu... DSG... Its broken. The clutch for 1st, 3rd, 5th gear is damaged. The car has 92.000km this is aprox. 57.000 miles. First, car had strange sound on first gear only and then just broke down...
The clutch cost 4.200€ + work and OIL. Car is 3 years and no warranty (maybe I'll get 70% off on the clutch, I am waiting what will Germans tell).
Does anyone had the same problems?
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What have you been doing?! My car is at 85,000 miles with no problem on the DSG (tiptronic element replaced at 82,000miles).
The clutch costs 4,200 euros?! Are you sure? That sounds like the cost for the entire gearbox or the mechatronic unit. I understood the clutch cost was much less.
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:surprised:
I hope this isnt a common thing!!!
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There are Audis running around with 150,000m+ on them probably with DSG and no mass reported problems, failures, or recalls.
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Did the car have it's DSG service done at 40k miles as per schedule?
Still, even if it did a failure like that must be particularly rare!
Gutted for you mate. VW don't like supplying parts for the DSG and try to sell complete DSG boxes at the price you are stating. I can't see this continuing as the cars get older and need repairing though as it would be prohibitvely expensive and so parts should start becoming available.
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Gutted for you mate. VW don't like supplying parts for the DSG and try to sell complete DSG boxes at the price you are stating. I can't see this continuing as the cars get older and need repairing though as it would be prohibitvely expensive and so parts should start becoming available.
This absolutly true. When the clutch on manual gearbox is broken you can fixed at no time, but for DSG can replace only in factory. The reall problem will be in 150.000milles+ when this thing become common...
Oil replacment was done at 60.000km on VW service...
About Audies I notice now when I was looking for solution for me, that they have problems with clutches and the cost is the same...
4,200 euros for the clutch is replacement clutch from factory. new one cost from 5.000€ to 6.500€ (depend on the model year). Replacement for the clutch need 6h of work (one hour is 45€) and 6l of oil (about 250€) Do your math :indifferent:
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The reall problem will be in 150.000milles+ when this thing become common...
with the above mileage you are looking at 12 years of average mileage. Parts will be readily available by then. :smiley:
In twelve years time you will be paying 5000 pound to get a manual gear box nearly all auto manufactures are heading down a similar route to the DSG box and this will bring costs right down.
All info so far points towards DSG being very reliable with the occasional dodgy box popping up and even this could be attributed to incorrect operation by the owners in some instances. :smiley:
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The reall problem will be in 150.000milles+ when this thing become common...
with the above mileage you are looking at 12 years of average mileage. Parts will be readily available by then. :smiley:
In twelve years time you will be paying 5000 pound to get a manual gear box nearly all auto manufactures are heading down a similar route to the DSG box and this will bring costs right down.
All info so far points towards DSG being very reliable with the occasional dodgy box popping up and even this could be attributed to incorrect operation by the owners in some instances. :smiley:
"Incorrect operation by the owners".
What have the owners being doing to cause these faults?
Are there any "do's" and "donts" for the DSG box as i have not seen anything covering this subject. I do drive the car pretty hard and use the manual mode alot.
Any info would be great.
cheers
Iain
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The reall problem will be in 150.000milles+ when this thing become common...
with the above mileage you are looking at 12 years of average mileage. Parts will be readily available by then. :smiley:
In twelve years time you will be paying 5000 pound to get a manual gear box nearly all auto manufactures are heading down a similar route to the DSG box and this will bring costs right down.
All info so far points towards DSG being very reliable with the occasional dodgy box popping up and even this could be attributed to incorrect operation by the owners in some instances. :smiley:
"Incorrect operation by the owners".
What have the owners being doing to cause these faults?
Are there any "do's" and "donts" for the DSG box as i have not seen anything covering this subject. I do drive the car pretty hard and use the manual mode alot.
Any info would be great.
cheers
Iain
The DSG is just a bit cleverer than a normal gearbox as it stops you from selecting the wrong gear at all times and just by design stops you riding the clutch.
But it is still possible to give it a bit of abuse.
There are a few things you can do to help look after the DSG box that little bit more.
For instance you should never coast in neutral trying to save fuel.
Also it is considered best practice to knock it into neutral when sitting at the lights. I found this a bit of a pain at first especially when in manual mode because it is one extra move, and although it sounds daft in reality you will feel like you cant be arsed.
And the final one for me is go easy on the launch control, and even just fast starts when wheelspin is induced.
doing all of the above helps the oil inside the box perform better and longer, and if you have a mapped car with a lot of torque then a more frequent oil change will really help look after the box better, as Hurdy can testify. :happy2:
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TOP CAT, Thanks for the advice. Looks like i have been treating it not to bad then. Never used launch etc and dont horse it away from lights 24/7.
DSG boxes rule. I couldnt live without it now and dont think i could go back to driving with manual setup.
Iain
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TOP CAT, Thanks for the advice. Looks like i have been treating it not to bad then. Never used launch etc and dont horse it away from lights 24/7.
DSG boxes rule. I couldnt live without it now and dont think i could go back to driving with manual setup.
Iain
I am the same i couldn't imagine life without it. :grin:
Get yourself a turbo back zorst and listen to the gear changes at around 5000 RPM :love: :love: :love:
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TOP CAT, heard a mk5 gti dsg the other night and it sounded great. eas looking at going along the same route as yourself with the r32 rear but wasnt sure if you had to buy the full bumper or just the bottom half? what do you suggest?
Going to be a little skint as the suspension roll bars walk kit etc on. but would love the zost
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TOP CAT, heard a mk5 gti dsg the other night and it sounded great. eas looking at going along the same route as yourself with the r32 rear but wasnt sure if you had to buy the full bumper or just the bottom half? what do you suggest?
Going to be a little skint as the suspension roll bars walk kit etc on. but would love the zost
You would need to buy the full bumper, but they are pretty cheap on Ebay. the costs start adding up though when you add in re-spray cost of skirts and bumper + exhaust.
You could just go for the exhaust first, then just change the back box when you are ready to do the bumper section. :happy2:
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For instance you should never coast in neutral trying to save fuel.
Ok, I was doing this all the time but don't understand why this is helping to damaged DSG?
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For instance you should never coast in neutral trying to save fuel.
Ok, I was doing this all the time but don't understand why this is helping to damaged DSG?
The Famous TT explained why, but i cant remember, all i know is you should never do it, there is a thread on another forum i will try and dig out which may shed some light. :smiley:
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^^^^ It's to do with lubrication of the gearbox as the oil is not pumped to the moving parts while coasting as the oil pump relies upon the vehicle being in gear :happy2:
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Today I get it back from work shop :drinking: 10days without it... :angry015: The car is much better for driving now... It feel like it is new one.
Picture of the car when DSG broken
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.euworld.net%2Fimages%2Fstories%2FDSC00082.JPG&hash=ec72f31e9323e27853b31d5be93cdec30f3bb435)
and DSG in the box
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.euworld.net%2Fimages%2Fstories%2FDSC00085.JPG&hash=63051c55b824f8f72bbe818e5272296708a04221)
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Oh Budha! There was me thinking this car was a keeper too...... :sick:
Thankfully these complete failures do appear to be rare......don't they?