MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: snapey on May 07, 2009, 07:55:51 pm
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How do chaps?
This isn't another question about the typical stuff.
Basically about a month and a half ago I had one of my wheels scored around the face pretty bad after a tyre fitter got it all wrong, they went off for a refurb and today they turned back up. Dad picked them up from the fitters who scuffed them thinking they looked alright.
Here's the thing, my wheels are BBS and only about 6/7 months old off of Ben "The Wheel Man" and a Ronal version has turned up. No doubt they are trying to pull a fast one and I'm not to say the least a happy bunny about someone replacing it with a wheel which in many cases isn't up to par with the BBS ones or holds there value against them as well either.
Basically can anyone give me any info in the differences between the companies and the wheels, Without being a snob it sums it up on the wheel 'Made in Poland'
Seems to be one thing after another with this car :sad:
Luke
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maybe VW are using Ronal now for monza 2's, could be because of the whiteworm issue. VAG do use Ronal to make their OE wheels as well BBS
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Ronal have been making the Monza II for ages now, well over a year the wheels are almost exactly the same. :smiley:
Also to add to this Ronal make some quality wheels and are a well respected manufacturer. :happy2:
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there you go, I was just guessing :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Cheers for the info.
Regardless of whether they make the OEM ones or not the fact of the matter in my eyes is that one wheel was sent off for refurbishment and a different one has come back without being told any reason for the brand in wheel changing which the refub guys will know about.
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Cheers for the info.
Regardless of whether they make the OEM ones or not the fact of the matter in my eyes is that one wheel was sent off for refurbishment and a different one has come back without being told any reason for the brand in wheel changing which the refub guys will know about.
I totally agree the same wheel that left you should be the one that comes back.
But i think you are making a boo boo. If i remember rightly The wheelman got all four wheels recently swapped under warranty, This will mean you have 4 Ronal monza II :smiley:
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yes, have you checked the others :smiley:
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Doesn't sound like there is a major difference in the wheels...but... someone has swapped the wheels without telling you which I would be a bit miffed about, so you should at least let someone know that you are a bit displeased or they might keep doing it.
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Cheers for the info.
Regardless of whether they make the OEM ones or not the fact of the matter in my eyes is that one wheel was sent off for refurbishment and a different one has come back without being told any reason for the brand in wheel changing which the refub guys will know about.
I totally agree the same wheel that left you should be the one that comes back.
But i think you are making a boo boo. If i remember rightly The wheelman got all four wheels recently swapped under warranty, This will mean you have 4 Ronal monza II :smiley:
Not strictly true, all 4 are BBS, the one on the garage floor is a BBS wheel and there is a noticeable difference between the two when there side by side. Granted only small but enough to notice.
Sorry for seeming like an arse but I just don't like having fast ones trying to be pulled on me.
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If thats the case, then you should be pissed off and i would be down there tomorrow getting my wheel back before some one else gets it. :smiley:
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Mine has the 'made in poland' print inside them! Thats from a 57 reg Gti.
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what are the differences ??
Also do they weight the same. Bbs used hollow rim tech so have the new company done the same ?
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The faces on the BBS ones are way more clean cut, a proper straight cut across the face making it stand out way more, the Ronal ones almost have a sort of radius to the edge's very similar to the faces on the 17's but not as obvious as the 17's. There's also a raised lip around the valve on the BBS, not present on the Ronal’s.
I can also see that the paint doesn't seem to match all around the Ronal’s from the hub mounting to behind the spokes and seems to dull off a lot more where as the BBS wheel is the same colour everywhere other than the face.
The lips on the BBS's also seem to cut/polished effect where as the Ronal's seem to look a lot duller, almost painted silver in a way.
The Ronal's are 1.9KG heavier than the BBS's (With tyres) so for argument sake 2.0KG
Luke
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Apart from the principle of not informing you about any changes, another very important consideration is the fact that BBS Monza's use their patented Hollow Wheel Technology and that it was specifically developed for the Mk5 GTI and took into consideration technical factors like centrifugal forces at speed.
If different, surely Ronals should not be mixed with the BBS Monza's. It isn't just a cosmetic consideration.
I would write to VW Technical and ask for clarification as you are concerned about safety issues.
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makes we wonder who made mine. All of mine were swapped under warranty a year ago??
I can't say i've noticed a difference if they are different.
Remember and differences in finish will more than likely be down to the refurb.
I'll be interested to see if they weigh the same
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makes we wonder who made mine. All of mine were swapped under warranty a year ago??
....Better that they are all the same rather than mixed, imo.
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Did you actually check the wheel before it was sent off, I.e could it have always been a Ronal ?
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What company did you send the wheel off to? When I had my last Golf, I sent the Monza IIs off to Pristine and they said that to keep time scales to a minimum they try and keep a stock of alloys in so they can just recieve the damaged ones, inspect them and if all is okay they will return the already refurbished stock wheels. This was for a full set mind you and they didn't have enough stock of them when I sent mine away about 2 years or so ago so actually refurbed my supplied wheels.
Maybe this is what the refurbishers did to you and inadvertantly sent you a different spec wheel. Have you spoken to them about it?
Also the reason the finish on the paint is different on the Ronal could be that it has already been refurbished and the standard isn't quite as high as an OE factory finish.
I'm sure if you speak to them they could explain.
Also, just for fellow anoraks out there, Ronal make the Monza alloys on the Polo GTI too. I thank you :wink:
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Reading this thread makes me even more glad that I decided to powdercoat my original BBS Monza's and not refurb at Pristine etc. When I visited Pristine I wasn't very impressed by their lacklustre attitude, though they do have a very good reputation.
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A 2kg heavier wheel becomes more like 8kg once it's spinning.
I would NOT want 1 only on the car, you need the same stuff on the same axle.
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A 2kg heavier wheel becomes more like 8kg once it's spinning.
I would NOT want 1 only on the car, you need the same stuff on the same axle.
....Exactly!! It's the same as it is for tyres.
This is my point - I think it's actually potentially unsafe and irresponsible for any wheel supplier/refurber to supply different wheels without also giving very clear information.
If it's happened to you, and you care, then do something about it! Don't just moan about it on a car forum - Write to VW UK for a start.
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Doesnt sound right this....
As TC said, i had these wheels changed over at Leicester VW some time last year (November ish) and although i diddnt look at the back of the wheels to see who made them (i still ttough the BBS made them all) i and very competant in checking wheels for faults / blemished etc as this is what i do for a living. in all the time i had them i never noticed any difference on any of the wheels.
To me they have made an error and supplied you with someone else wheel.
I would be straight on the phone asking for your wheel back :mad:
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makes we wonder who made mine. All of mine were swapped under warranty a year ago??
I can't say i've noticed a difference if they are different.
Remember and differences in finish will more than likely be down to the refurb.
I'll be interested to see if they weigh the same
I've just checked this morning and can confirm my wheels are still all bbs versions:)
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The Ronal's are 1.9KG heavier than the BBS's (With tyres) so for argument sake 2.0KG
Luke
Luke or anyone. Could you tell me where the information was obtained about the weight differences please, I have never found anywhere that gives you the weight of either types. :happy2:
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The weight was obtained using the scales in my house, obviously they are not calibrated or anything but regardless of that it's not going to throw it out hugely. I think the bbs were 22.1kg and the ronal 24 kg dead. This was just comparing the two so it may well vary with every batch.
But on the plus side I get my wheel back on Monday :smiley:
Luke
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Even if your house scales aren't professionally calibrated, Luke, the important point is that the Ronals are definitely heavier and approximately 2 Kg heavier.
:happy2:
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The weight was obtained using the scales in my house, onviosly there not calibrated or anything but regardless of that it's not going to throw it out hugely. I think the bbs was 22.1kg and the ronal 24 dead. This was just comparing the two so it may well vary with every batch.
But on the plus side I get my wheel back on Monday :smiley:
Luke
Thanks for that Luke :happy2:
So can someone confirm for me that i have converted this correctly :driver:
BBS monza KG = 22.1 converted to pounds = 48.72 pounds
Ronal monza KG = 24 converted to pounds = 52.91 pounds
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The weight was obtained using the scales in my house, onviosly there not calibrated or anything but regardless of that it's not going to throw it out hugely. I think the bbs was 22.1kg and the ronal 24 dead. This was just comparing the two so it may well vary with every batch.
But on the plus side I get my wheel back on Monday :smiley:
Luke
Thanks for that Luke :happy2:
So can someone confirm for me that i have converted this correctly :driver:
BBS monza KG = 22.1 converted to pounds = 48.72 pounds
Ronal monza KG = 24 converted to pounds = 52.91 pounds
Spot on matey :happy2:
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The weight was obtained using the scales in my house, onviosly there not calibrated or anything but regardless of that it's not going to throw it out hugely. I think the bbs was 22.1kg and the ronal 24 dead. This was just comparing the two so it may well vary with every batch.
But on the plus side I get my wheel back on Monday :smiley:
Luke
Thanks for that Luke :happy2:
So can someone confirm for me that i have converted this correctly :driver:
BBS monza KG = 22.1 converted to pounds = 48.72 pounds
Ronal monza KG = 24 converted to pounds = 52.91 pounds
Spot on matey :happy2:
Cheers Luke i have been after the weight of a Monza for a while. I am expecting some new rims soon and wanted to know what they weighed in comparison to my Monza's
My new rims weigh 24.5 pounds, which if you are correct is over half the weight less, so that should make a great difference in the feel and handling. :jumpmove:
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I wonder if that includes tyres. Monza 2's a renowned for being a light wheel?
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That seems a heavy weight if the tyres are not included!
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The weight does include a set of yokohama parada spec 2's and I have no idea of the weight of the tryes but they can't be more than 5 kilo's a pop.
I've just thrown it up for discussion again :scared: lol
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I have some tyres down stairs and just checked their is no indication of weight on them. :smiley: