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General => Random Chat => Topic started by: gti yorks on March 30, 2012, 04:22:22 pm
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Ok, tomorrow morning I am going to see a E90 330d M sport at a BMW showroom, i have never bought direct from a main dealer showroom before and am looking for a bit of advice please.
It's a 2006 56 reg so I don't know how much, if any, bargaining power I will have, but I would like to know how much I could expect to get off a 12k car?? Also, is there anything else I could try and get thrown in??? The salesman told me on the phone they have replaced the rear tyres, MOT'd the car and serviced it ready for sale. He also said they have just knocked a grand of the price, he made quite a point of telling me that, which made me think the asking price was non negotiable. He wanted to agree a deal over the phone and me to leave a deposit, but i didn't want to do that before I seen the car. He did give me a price on my trade in, which was slightly lower than I wanted, but more than I expected them to offer.
The one thing i wanted on the car was rear privacy glass, do you think I could ask for that to be done to help the deal along??
Looking for quick advice, any help appreciated.
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look through the BMW website at the used approved and look for the same model as close to the spec youre interested in
look for the best online deal and compare it to what theyre offering.
if theres a selection to choose from then the dealer has to make sure his becomes the best deal else you could go elsewhere
privacy shouldnt cost you more than £120-£150 to get tinted privately so if they wont do it then thats the sort of figure you want to haggle off at the minimum. Them doing it can be anything... BMW charge £90 for just bonnet stripes on a mini!!! whereas someone like me does them for a hell of alot less.
the fact that they have replaced the tyres is irrelevant to the deal - it probably needed them
the fact that theyve just decreased the price has nothing to do with you either, they chose to do that before you came along and wont have relevance to a deal you want to make
cars need selling, market is hard at the moment, haggle hard because as long as you do it sensibly they wont refuse a good strong sale....
also the fact the have just decreased the price means its more than likely dead stock too... they want it gone, more than likely why he pushed for a deposit.
he's the salesman.... but your the one with the money :happy2:
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look through the BMW website at the used approved and look for the same model as close to the spec youre interested in
look for the best online deal and compare it to what theyre offering.
if theres a selection to choose from then the dealer has to make sure his becomes the best deal else you could go elsewhere
privacy shouldnt cost you more than £120-£150 to get tinted privately so if they wont do it then thats the sort of figure you want to haggle off at the minimum. Them doing it can be anything... BMW charge £90 for just bonnet stripes on a mini!!! whereas someone like me does them for a hell of alot less.
the fact that they have replaced the tyres is irrelevant to the deal - it probably needed them
the fact that theyve just decreased the price has nothing to do with you either, they chose to do that before you came along and wont have relevance to a deal you want to make
cars need selling, market is hard at the moment, haggle hard because as long as you do it sensibly they wont refuse a good strong sale....
also the fact the have just decreased the price means its more than likely dead stock too... they want it gone, more than likely why he pushed for a deposit.
he's the salesman.... but your the one with the money :happy2:
Thanks VCR, it actually seems quite keenly priced for an Approved BMW car, I have been looking for weeks now and think I have seen this one on their site before but ignored it as it was out of my budget. It's up for £11,990, i would like to get it for £11,500 top wack, but will have to see how it goes. I am going to see if I can get the privacy glass done and a 2 year warranty thrown in, comes with a 12 month BMW warranty but will try for a 2 year warranty.
If I could get all that and it for £11,500 I would be very happy.
The tyres were done because the rears were on 3mm when the car came in and he said BMW won't sell a used car on 3mm or less. Fronts are on 7mm, so basically new tyres all round. And it's also had front discs and pads done by them as well.
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warranty im sure they would extend mate and the tints are no massive outlay... i bet if you walked in and slapped £11.5k firm on the table with your requests take it or leave it they wouldnt say no over £500 notes
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As VC says...
I've bought about 5 Approved Used BMW's and always knocked them down, they have huge margins so can afford to lose a little... and there warranty has been good, but you sometimes need to push them... I even had a full engine rebuild done...
Good luck.
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warranty im sure they would extend mate and the tints are no massive outlay... i bet if you walked in and slapped £11.5k firm on the table with your requests take it or leave it they wouldnt say no over £500 notes
Sounds simple when you put it like that VC, (sorry for VCR last time, bloody predictive text on ipad :ashamed:). Also makes it seem like I could push for more, but I am useless at bargaining, feel cheeky pushing it.
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As VC says...
I've bought about 5 Approved Used BMW's and always knocked them down, they have huge margins so can afford to lose a little... and there warranty has been good, but you sometimes need to push them... I even had a full engine rebuild done...
Good luck.
Have heard their warranty is very good, I was looking at a car which was slightly cheaper but once I would have bought a warranty for it from BMW would have worked out a bit more than buying an approved used BMW.
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A BMW warranty is worth its weight in gold, absolutely no arguments and they'll replace anything. I got a new clutch, because I said it was juddery.... it was in fact a £5 clutch delay valve that needed doing - they just said "oh well, belt and braces!".
Oh and go in hard with your offer, they'll have got that in for sod all anyway on PX. :happy2:
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A BMW warranty is worth its weight in gold, absolutely no arguments and they'll replace anything. I got a new clutch, because I said it was juddery.... it was in fact a £5 clutch delay valve that needed doing - they just said "oh well, belt and braces!".
Oh and go in hard with your offer, they'll have got that in for sod all anyway on PX. :happy2:
I have been told tomorrow could be a good day to buy as its end of the quarter and if targets are down, I could get a good deal.
When you say go in hard, how hard are you thinking on an £11990 asking price?? I was hoping to get it for £11500, you think I could get it lower??
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What does it book at?
Ignore all the flannel, he hasn't 'knocked' a grand off, they had it up a grand too high and nobody took the bait, you can also bet they factored in the tyres when giving the previous owner their PX price - so if it is now priced more realistically, I'd hit them with £10,750 and settle at £11,000 (assuming that's the fair price). Demand a 2 year warranty too.
What's the spec/miles - can you find something comparable to it for a baseline value??
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What does it book at?
Ignore all the flannel, he hasn't 'knocked' a grand off, they had it up a grand too high and nobody took the bait, you can also bet they factored in the tyres when giving the previous owner their PX price - so if it is now priced more realistically, I'd hit them with £10,750 and settle at £11,000 (assuming that's the fair price). Demand a 2 year warranty too.
What's the spec/miles - can you find something comparable to it for a baseline value??
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I like you style, are you busy tomorrow morning by any chance?? :grin:
I will have to remember what you say about them pricing it too high when he says about them dropping the price by a grand, he's bound to come out with it again in the morning.
It's on 54000 miles, full leather, automatic, Extended interior lighting pack(???), cruise, Head light washers, Auto dim mirrors, electric folding mirrors.
When I look on their site, everything else is dearer, it's even cheaper than a lot of non franchise car dealers.
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Seems keenly priced then, lack of 'Nav and xenons are why he still has it, but looking past that = bargains. :happy2:
Be firm, state your offer and put your card on the table ready for the deposit. They'll tell you're serious and hopefully give.
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Seems keenly priced then, lack of 'Nav and xenons are why he still has it, but looking past that = bargains. :happy2:
Be firm, state your offer and put your card on the table ready for the deposit. They'll tell you're serious and hopefully give.
Wasn't to fussed about nav, but I did really want xenons but any cars in my budget had too many miles for my liking. Can xenons be retro fitted on an E90??
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what dealer?stratstone?
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what dealer?stratstone?
Halliwell jones in Warrington
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I will have to remember what you say about them pricing it too high when he says about them dropping the price by a grand, he's bound to come out with it again in the morning.
doesnt matter
you havent gone there to look at a £13k car youve gone there to look at a £12k car
...to put it in context i could say to you well it used to be £xx.xx new..... means nothing.
the price it is now is the price youre dealing with
he's just using sales flannel
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Wasn't to fussed about nav, but I did really want xenons but any cars in my budget had too many miles for my liking. Can xenons be retro fitted on an E90??
Not 100% BMW ones can be fitted, but there's a load of aftermarket ones (such as Depo) that look almost the same.
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I will have to remember what you say about them pricing it too high when he says about them dropping the price by a grand, he's bound to come out with it again in the morning.
doesnt matter
you havent gone there to look at a £13k car youve gone there to look at a £12k car
...to put it in context i could say to you well it used to be £xx.xx new..... means nothing.
the price it is now is the price youre dealing with
he's just using sales flannel
That's true VC, I am a sucker for falling for all that old chat, gets me every time.
Had some good pointers, appreciate your help :drinking:
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Have a look around at other BMW dealerships online and see if there are any cheaper. If there are, get them to price match. Isnt it end of quarter nearly as well? Bargaining power in your favour, so they'll be looking to get them sales. Be prepared to walk away as well. Good luck! :party:
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I will have to remember what you say about them pricing it too high when he says about them dropping the price by a grand, he's bound to come out with it again in the morning.
doesnt matter
you havent gone there to look at a £13k car youve gone there to look at a £12k car
...to put it in context i could say to you well it used to be £xx.xx new..... means nothing.
the price it is now is the price youre dealing with
he's just using sales flannel
That's true VC, I am a sucker for falling for all that old chat, gets me every time.
Had some good pointers, appreciate your help :drinking:
no worries, i'd love to come with you... i love a good haggle :grin:
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Have a look around at other BMW dealerships online and see if there are any cheaper. If there are, get them to price match. Isnt it end of quarter nearly as well? Bargaining power in your favour, so they'll be looking to get them sales. Be prepared to walk away as well. Good luck! :party:
Does the BMW site list all approved used cars or do some just dealerships just put cars on their own websites?? I have only checked bmw.co.uk
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you need to stay within the dealer network to be able to fight a comparison vehicle
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you need to stay within the dealer network to be able to fight a comparison vehicle
I mean will some dealerships not put their cars on the main BMW site but advertise them on their own?? Sytners jct600 for example
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other dealerships normally will use the national network when you challenge a price, worth trying though
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All used cars from BMW have a pre sales check, & if anything is needed its replacled/serviced before sale.
they must have 12months MOT aswell.
12 months warranty is a standard used car warranty, they may extend warranty at your own cost this probably won't get thrown in.
The warranty is a good warranty, but its different to manufacturers warranty, so not everything is covered.
I think the price is reasonable for a dealership
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Thanks perky85, I am gonna try and get 2 year warranty thrown in, worth a go, can only say no. They have put new front discs and pads on, serviced it and 2 new tyres so it shouldn't want for anything.
I am the same as you, I think it's very reasonably priced for a BMW dealer car
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You given them a kick in the balls offer yet??
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You given them a kick in the balls offer yet??
Well, I am back home without becoming the proud owner of a 330d, believe it or not they would budge much from their 11990 asking price. I got there and we went straight out on a test drive, lovely car, really wanted to buy it. Went back to the showroom and started talking figures, i settled on 6000 trade in for my golf, got them up from 5500, I think it's a pretty decent trade in value to be honest. So we turn to the BMW, pointed out the bits I wanted sorting on condition of sale, was nothing major, just 2 little marks on the door sills and scratch on the back bumper where something has caught it being taken out of the boot. The car was in really good nick. I was happy to pay 11500 for it but offered 11300, he scratched his head and went away to talk to his "manager", returned and said no can do as they are giving me more for my car than they wanted to, so no room for manoeuvre on price of BMW, said I would pay 11500 + tank of diesel+ they tint rear windows, away he went to his manager again, to come back and say no deal, he said the best they can do is 11750 with nothing thrown in, so i turned it down and walked away quite gutted.
So tempted to ring them back and see what can be done, but i don't want to pay more than 11500 for it with diesel and tints thrown in.
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If he let you walk, then there's maybe not a lot in the car for him - I guess you sit and wait to see if he calls?
Maybe ring back tomorrow morning and re-offer 11,500, making it clear you'll give your card details for a deposit as soon as he says yes.
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If he let you walk, then there's maybe not a lot in the car for him - I guess you sit and wait to see if he calls?
Maybe ring back tomorrow morning and re-offer 11,500, making it clear you'll give your card details for a deposit as soon as he says yes.
It is priced keenly, I will admit that. He said they had put quite a bit into the car, just serviced it, new front discs and pads, 2 new tyres and it was already supposed to be getting the small scratches done on the back bumper. That must add upto a few quid. the rear discs and pads are virtually brand new, I don't see the car wanting for anything at all really.
Even my mrs was telling me to agree at 11750 and she don't care 2 hoots about cars, she loved it.
Will call in the morning and see how it goes, hoping he calls later today with a change of mind :sad1:
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It's a compelling argument, but they'd have said to the previous owner "because it needs new tyres/brakes/a service/scratches removed - we're offering you £x less than you want"... they won't have paid for it out of the goodness of their heart!
Hold firm, if he knew you were serious, he'll call.
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i say hold firm too :happy2: they know you want it but are more than likely want to see who else will nibble at it at its new price
i'd call something like wednesday morning, midweek and slow in the salesroom to ask if they have thought anymore about your offer.
residuals dont go up, that car looses money the longer they keep it and theyve had it a while
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i got mine from the dealer, and i have to say they would not budge on price, although it was well priced compared to non bmw dealerships.
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i say hold firm too :happy2: they know you want it but are more than likely want to see who else will nibble at it at its new price
i'd call something like wednesday morning, midweek and slow in the salesroom to ask if they have thought anymore about your offer.
residuals dont go up, that car looses money the longer they keep it and theyve had it a while
Don't think I can hold on that long VC, Monday morning at the latest, swallow my pride and pay up :ashamed:
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i got mine from the dealer, and i have to say they would not budge on price, although it was well priced compared to non bmw dealerships.
Same boat as I am in now, and this one is well priced as well.
Did you buy a 330d??
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Heart wants what the heart wants, they count on that. No one will shoot you down if you cave :grin:
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Heart wants what the heart wants, they count on that. No one will shoot you down if you cave :grin:
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Had some good advice on here, thanks for it all. If i have to bite the bullet and pay up, so be it.
I am normally a pushover in negotiations, quite proud I stood my ground but guted never went my way, will be going back with my tail between my legs.
Someone on another forum said I should push for some retrofit options if i am coughing up the extra, as they cost a dealer very little, any idea what sort of things I could see if I can get??
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i got mine from the dealer, and i have to say they would not budge on price, although it was well priced compared to non bmw dealerships.
Same boat as I am in now, and this one is well priced as well.
Did you buy a 330d??
123d mate :happy2:
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Spoke to the salesman I was dealing with yesterday, made him my offer, he called back to tell me he didn't realise another salesman had taken a deposit on it yesterday evening.
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The right one will come along. :happy2:
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just wasnt meant to be mate, think of it this way... the right one is out there, and theyre only getting cheaper :smiley:
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Cheers lads, guess your right. Guess I was right in taking my time to make sure I wanted it, but as has been said it wasn't meant to be.