MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: pd9264 on April 05, 2012, 05:33:59 pm
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hi anyone running one of these. iv just ordered one looks like a decent piece of kit. and alot cheaper than forge. i think airtec are big on the ford scene. alot of focus rs run these make
intercoolers.
http://www.autospecialists.co.uk/AIRTEC-Twin-Spec-Intercooler-for-Golf-Gti-Mk56-20-TFSi---Polished-Finish-Product-1085.html
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At AIRTEC we always test our Intercoolers & Radiators to ensure maximum gains from design & core choice. Testing carried @ Devil Developments 'Stage 1 map Devil 245'
With the Standard Intercooler fitted & Stage 1 re-map we saw power of 246.9bhp & Intake temps (Turbo charged Air Entering the Engine) of 49 degrees, 49 degrees is o.k. but this Golf only had a stg1 re-map! these temps will rise with higher stages of tune, this will mean you will start to lose power.
AIRTEC TwinSpec + Standard Intercooler fitted & as before fitted with Stage1 re-map, Power was up to 261bhp! & Intake temps were as Low as 17 degrees with a peak of 21 degrees, the TwinSpec set up clearly works and easily installed under 2 hours.
Fits Following models.
VW Golf MK5 GTi 2.0 TFSI
VW Golf MK5 GTi Edition 30 2.0 TFSI
VW Golf MK6 GTi 2.0 TSI
VW Golf R MK6 2.0 TSI
■AIRTEC TwinSpec Intercooler Included parts & Features
■1 x 70mm core Intercooler with shaped end tanks
■2 x Twinspec 5ply silicon hose's with stainless Jubilee clips
■3 x Billet alloy machined push fittings
■2 x AIRTEC logo Horn relocation brackets
■Fitting Instructions and all required fixings
■Un-Beatable value for money
■Proven Power Increase's for Fast Road & Track
■Can Be used Inconjuction with AIRTEC OEM Intercooler upgrade for even more cooling power!
■Available in Polished or Pro-Series Satin Black
■Airtec 3 year unlimited mileage warranty
Instock ready to ship 'No Waiting times'
£445.00
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Hmmm wonder how much of the design was taken from the forge. Decent bit of kit if it is as effective and great price.
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I had an airtec on my focus st. Great bit of kit and was one of the best on the forums
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Available in Satin Black too - That's a plus.
A much more economical solution than either the Forge or the S3 when you factor in labour costs.
But exactly how much better will all be down to it's core/capacity and quality of construction.
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Not wishing to cast aspersions on where they've acquired these from - but when stuff is sent to China to be copied, it generally comes back as worthless tat.
You pays your money, you takes your chances.
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Available in Satin Black too - That's a plus.
A much more economical solution than either the Forge or the S3 when you factor in labour costs.
But exactly how much better will all be down to it's core/capacity and quality of construction.
Satin black is nice and stealthy but the look is ruined after and stone chips! End up with loads of silver spots
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Available in Satin Black too - That's a plus.
Satin black is nice and stealthy but the look is ruined after and stone chips! End up with loads of silver spots
....That's very useful to know. :happy2:
Although such damage looks good on something like this:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fb308%2FRedRobin_05%2FStoneChipCool.jpg&hash=53be24399f9f09fc8108a2d736241a36a8b1f201)
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Worrying when they can't even spell Volkswagen correctly on their site :signLOL:
Also who are Devils Development? Not heard of them before!
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Available in Satin Black too - That's a plus.
A much more economical solution than either the Forge or the S3 when you factor in labour costs.
But exactly how much better will all be down to it's core/capacity and quality of construction.
Doesn't black (as a colour) absorb heat? :scared:
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Not wishing to cast aspersions on where they've acquired these from - but when stuff is sent to China to be copied, it generally comes back as worthless tat.
You pays your money, you takes your chances.
....Well yes - That's what I was (too subtley) hinting at. :happy2: Are the Airtec made in China then?
However anyone might want to criticise Forge, their standard of construction/manufacture is very high indeed (I'm not comparing with aircraft industry standards though).
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Not wishing to cast aspersions on where they've acquired these from - but when stuff is sent to China to be copied, it generally comes back as worthless tat.
You pays your money, you takes your chances.
Just cause it has not got a forge sticker (and pricetag to go with it) does not mean its tat, I agree that some crap from China is cheap and nasty but as they catch up on manufacturing quality (as well as the quantity they can already deliver) it spells trouble for the likes of Forge/APR with their prices on hardware, will be good for the market tho, not so much for forges profit margins :happy2:
And agreed yes black=heatsoak, best stick with std silver.
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Available in Satin Black too - That's a plus.
Doesn't black (as a colour) absorb heat? :scared:
....Indeed it does. Hence why most of the cars in the Arabian gulf are white.
But I'm not sure that it would make significant difference in this application - I just don't know either way.
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When I had my Focus RS, I had an Airtec FMIC fitted. the fitting kit was average, but the intercooler was awesome.
Just from the FMIC my power went from 288bhp, to 302bhp. and gained 5lbft.
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Just cause it has not got a forge sticker (and pricetag to go with it) does not mean its tat, I agree that some crap from China is cheap and nasty but as they catch up on manufacturing quality (as well as the quantity they can already deliver) it spells trouble for the likes of Forge/APR with their prices on hardware, will be good for the market tho, not so much for forges profit margins :happy2:
....I wouldn't be too quick to jump to conclusions about either Forge or APR's profit margins. Yes, we should all want them to make a profit so that they can stay in business and bring worthwhile products to market.
APR spend huge amounts on R & D. Forge spend a large proportion of a product's cost on its high standard of engineering manufacture. I'm not saying that their products couldn't be cheaper (having just bought an APR HPFP I wish they were!) but the profit margins are probably not as high as you imagine., particularly in Forge's case which is a relatively small British company.
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If your intake temps are 49 degrees on the dyno then the dyno fan isnt powerfull enough (which it wont be if its the one in the pics as I had one of those once and had to change the motor and blades, even then it wasnt powerfull enough)
If its a copy of the forge one, which it does look like, then it will probably work well.
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Just cause it has not got a forge sticker (and pricetag to go with it) does not mean its tat, I agree that some crap from China is cheap and nasty but as they catch up on manufacturing quality (as well as the quantity they can already deliver) it spells trouble for the likes of Forge/APR with their prices on hardware, will be good for the market tho, not so much for forges profit margins :happy2:
....I wouldn't be too quick to jump to conclusions about either Forge or APR's profit margins. Yes, we should all want them to make a profit so that they can stay in business and bring worthwhile products to market.
APR spend huge amounts on R & D. Forge spend a large proportion of a product's cost on its high standard of engineering manufacture. I'm not saying that their products couldn't be cheaper (having just bought an APR HPFP I wish they were!) but the profit margins are probably not as high as you imagine., particularly in Forge's case which is a relatively small British company.
Hey Robin, we all know about the money they spend on R & D, they themselves bleat on about it enough to justify the prices they ask :signLOL:
I have lots of friends in engineering backgrounds and when I tell them the price of X (A tuning product like forge twintercooler), they usually say "I am in the wrong job" or to make that would cost X (About 20% of what they sell for) that must be some large R & D bill :happy2:
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Not wishing to cast aspersions on where they've acquired these from - but when stuff is sent to China to be copied, it generally comes back as worthless tat.
You pays your money, you takes your chances.
Just cause it has not got a forge sticker (and pricetag to go with it) does not mean its tat, I agree that some crap from China is cheap and nasty but as they catch up on manufacturing quality (as well as the quantity they can already deliver) it spells trouble for the likes of Forge/APR with their prices on hardware, will be good for the market tho, not so much for forges profit margins :happy2:
And agreed yes black=heatsoak, best stick with std silver.
So Forge can spend all the time and money developing something, only for the Chinese to copy and sell cheaper, and that's ok? - You perpetuate that problem, you take money out of innovation. = Why our manufacturing is on its arse.
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Not wishing to cast aspersions on where they've acquired these from - but when stuff is sent to China to be copied, it generally comes back as worthless tat.
You pays your money, you takes your chances.
Just cause it has not got a forge sticker (and pricetag to go with it) does not mean its tat, I agree that some crap from China is cheap and nasty but as they catch up on manufacturing quality (as well as the quantity they can already deliver) it spells trouble for the likes of Forge/APR with their prices on hardware, will be good for the market tho, not so much for forges profit margins :happy2:
And agreed yes black=heatsoak, best stick with std silver.
So Forge can spend all the time and money developing something, only for the Chinese to copy and sell cheaper, and that's ok? - You perpetuate that problem, you take money out of innovation. = Why our manufacturing is on its arse.
I dont think I am to blame for the country being on its arse or the manufacturing of products, I think its more to do with other countries making the same product (Copied or based on a similar design) for much less money, bottom line if they do the same thing and made to same quality one by "British" hands at XX and one by "Foreign" hands at X I think i know what I would do, others I cant vouch for. I am pretty sure products were being copied or used for development (Like all companies do) well before I was even alive :signLOL:
The issue stems from the chinese not signing up to the international copyright charter, they can do what they want over there :signLOL:
Even Revo used APR code in their maps, intake systems widely copied and altered, everything is based on something.
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Theres cheaper ways to buy copies:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VW-GOLF-MK5-2-0T-FSI-FMIC-FRONT-MOUNT-INTERCOOLER-KIT-/380346448597?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item588e6a3ad5#ht_1644wt_929
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Sorry, I wasn't picking at you, Tamiyoman.
I avoid Chinese goods, with the exception (through gritted teeth) of Apple, wherever possible. They buy our excellent raw materials and sell them back to us as sh*te.
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Theres cheaper ways to buy copies:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VW-GOLF-MK5-2-0T-FSI-FMIC-FRONT-MOUNT-INTERCOOLER-KIT-/380346448597?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item588e6a3ad5#ht_1644wt_929
:signLOL: same one available from Hong Kong for £110 :happy2:, would not buy one tho, bit too cheap :signLOL:
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Sorry, I wasn't picking at you.
I avoid Chinese goods, with the exception (through gritted teeth) of Apple, wherever possible. They buy our excellent raw materials and sell them back to us as sh*te.
No worries :happy2: I understand your feeling, I have it for some things and others I disagree with UK high prices especcially as half these high priced UK goods are made in china :stupid:
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Theres cheaper ways to buy copies:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VW-GOLF-MK5-2-0T-FSI-FMIC-FRONT-MOUNT-INTERCOOLER-KIT-/380346448597?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item588e6a3ad5#ht_1644wt_929
:signLOL: same one available from Hong Kong for £110 :happy2:, would not buy one tho, bit too cheap :signLOL:
Ok, I will buy it, brand it as something like 'Pro-Cool twin front mount intercooler conversion' and make a few lines on a website claiming they have had thorough research and delelopment, throw in a few irrelevant dyno figures and sell them on in the UK for £400 each. Maybe do a few 1/2 price with free fitting to some forum users and before you know it they will be the best thing since sliced salami.
How would you like o pay?
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I think tbh that if you put the products side by side without a badge on them did a blind test and one if the cheaper ones came out on top performance wise you would purchase that one. Personally i dont care where they are made, if it does the job equally as well and looks as well made then i would buy one. I for one will be watching this and keen to see what results it produces.
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Just cause it has not got a forge sticker (and pricetag to go with it) does not mean its tat, I agree that some crap from China is cheap and nasty but as they catch up on manufacturing quality (as well as the quantity they can already deliver) it spells trouble for the likes of Forge/APR with their prices on hardware, will be good for the market tho, not so much for forges profit margins :happy2:
....I wouldn't be too quick to jump to conclusions about either Forge or APR's profit margins. Yes, we should all want them to make a profit so that they can stay in business and bring worthwhile products to market.
APR spend huge amounts on R & D. Forge spend a large proportion of a product's cost on its high standard of engineering manufacture. I'm not saying that their products couldn't be cheaper (having just bought an APR HPFP I wish they were!) but the profit margins are probably not as high as you imagine., particularly in Forge's case which is a relatively small British company.
Oi Oi do I detect a hint that your going 2+ Robin?? :grin:
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I know of someone that bought a cheap front mount, fitted it and all was fine until a bit of thin metal came loose and was blasted at 2 bar of boost into the inlet manifold.
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I know of someone that bought a cheap front mount, fitted it and all was fine until a bit of thin metal came loose and was blasted at 2 bar of boost into the inlet manifold.
:scared: :scared: :popcornsoda:
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Oi Oi do I detect a hint that your going 2+ Robin?? :grin:
....As posted elsewhere, not at this time. :happy2:
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I think tbh that if you put the products side by side without a badge on them did a blind test and one if the cheaper ones came out on top performance wise you would purchase that one. Personally i dont care where they are made, if it does the job equally as well and looks as well made then i would buy one. I for one will be watching this and keen to see what results it produces.
You said what I was thinking, as im only planning on going stage 2 anyway fuel pump and intercooler are not in my plans.
:congrats:
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im only planning on going stage 2 anyway fuel pump and intercooler are not in my plans.
....The intercooler still isn't in my plans and the fuel pump also wasn't at the time I went to Stage 2, but as soon as an efficient aftermarket air intake was fitted the remap needed its settings reduced to safeguard against fuel-cuts while using the standard pump. Changing to a HPFP (APR) has allowed my Stage 2 settings to be restored and release more of Stage 2's potential. I still plan to stay on stage 2.
But, I am K03 GTI and you are K04 Ed30 so our Stage 2 remaps are different, but our fuel pumps the same I think.
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but our fuel pumps the same I think.
They are. :smiley:
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I am likely going with jabbasport custom map anyway so im sure they will set it up correctly, rather than a generic map :happy2:
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Just wanted to resurrect this thread to ask the OP how he got on with fitting this intercooler and if he has seen the type of gains as described for the Stage 1 GTI on their website?
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Available in Satin Black too - That's a plus.
Doesn't black (as a colour) absorb heat? :scared:
....Indeed it does. Hence why most of the cars in the Arabian gulf are white.
But I'm not sure that it would make significant difference in this application - I just don't know either way.
Black is what you want for an intercooler or radiator. Yes, it can absorb heat but when the inside is hotter than out, it is also a better emitter of heat. In theory, the radiators in your house should be painted black.
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A good example of a quality intercooler compared to a cheap one . . . . . .
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fww123%2Fjon-tfsi%2Fmk6fmic-51.jpg&hash=b0e90417e7f3e478435845bb304f3149a579e6a4)
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I too have had an airtec cooler on my stage 2 Mondeo St and it was a great piece of kit. I will be looking to put one of these on my Cupra soon. If you tell them that you are on a forum they tend to price accordingly. ;)
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I have a Twintercooler on my current car but may gave this a go for my new car in a month or two. I understand that this brand is well respected on the Ford scene and is branching in to VAG.
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This looks like a great piece of kit :drool:
As said by others, Airtec is a well known brand in the Ford scene and has proven great results on the dyno. They obviously have experience in making quality equipment that works, so lets not all jump on the "its obviously just a copy" bandwagon :drinking:
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This looks like a great piece of kit :drool:
As said by others, Airtec is a well known brand in the Ford scene and has proven great results on the dyno. They obviously have experience in making quality equipment that works, so lets not all jump on the "its obviously just a copy" bandwagon :drinking:
Ha ha, there's enough of those about and obviosuly coz they are cheaper, they are crap :popcornsoda:
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Worrying when they can't even spell Volkswagen correctly on their site :signLOL:
Also who are Devils Development? Not heard of them before!
There a devil development in my town but they specialise in ford
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How much are these intercoolers for the edition30?
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have a look here mate http://www.autospecialists.co.uk/VolksWagon-Category-89.html (http://www.autospecialists.co.uk/VolksWagon-Category-89.html)
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Update: I will be fitting the Mk5/6 version of one of these to a 2012 Octavia VRS TSI as part of a K04 conversion in 3 weeks and will let you know how it goes.
I will still have my old K04 TFSI Octavia fitted with a twintercooler and am tempted to put them side by side at JKM and log intake temperatures. I may even ask Jim there if he would mind lining up his Octavia K04 TSI with S3 intercooler to see intake temperatures. It is not a completely like for like comparison but it would be interesting to see if the Airtec Twin Spec intercooler is in the same league.
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A good example of a quality intercooler compared to a cheap one . . . . . .
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fww123%2Fjon-tfsi%2Fmk6fmic-51.jpg&hash=b0e90417e7f3e478435845bb304f3149a579e6a4)
Update 2: Received the Airtec Twin Spec intercooler today and opened the box to look at the core. Looks to be good quality from the outside and the core looks pretty good too:
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-vc1OMY-VyuE/T9kAF4_lZhI/AAAAAAAABA8/t16tAuP6Ilw/s800/DSC_3175.JPG)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-qUmVmGRu9VA/T9kAGQz0xJI/AAAAAAAABBE/fRhYcJfHE2E/s800/DSC_3175b.jpg)
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Update 3: It was a fail! :sad1:
The Airtec intercooler was a terrible fit on a new TSI Octavia (same engine and chassis as Mk VI) yet it is advertised as compatible with both Mk5 and 6 with some trimming of the hoses. The silicone hoses were completely the wrong geometry to connect-up without forcing changes in shape that would put a lot of stress on the mounting points. I thought the core looked OK but some questions were raised about that too. It had to be 'canned' in favour of the trusted S3 intercooler. I hope I can get my money back or its £430 up the creek.
In short, avoid this until they sort the hoses out.
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Update 3: It was a fail! :sad1:
The Airtec intercooler was a terrible fit on a new TSI Octavia (same engine and chassis as Mk VI) yet it is advertised as compatible with both Mk5 and 6 with some trimming of the hoses. The silicone hoses were completely the wrong geometry to connect-up without forcing changes in shape that would put a lot of stress on the mounting points. I thought the core looked OK but some questions were raised about that too. It had to be 'canned' in favour of the trusted S3 intercooler. I hope I can get my money back or its £430 up the creek.
In short, avoid this until they sort the hoses out.
Out of interest, what questions were raised about the core?
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Out of interest, what questions were raised about the core?
If it really was a good quality core. As I mentioned and showed in my ealier photo, it looked ok to me but not sure how it compares to others
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Just wondering is it worth fitting a uprated ic to our cars as uk weather isn't really that hot!!
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Just had the Airtec delivered and fitted to my Mk5 k03 GTi out of necessity - I wanted THS but they decided to have a holiday!! Lol!
Anyway, the radiator lugs were slightly out but did fit and the bolts supplied were too short but other than that it's on and working brilliantly. The guy that installed it said it was a PITA but a good piece of kit that should perform well - here's hoping.
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Just wondering is it worth fitting a uprated ic to our cars as uk weather isn't really that hot!!
i think the general consensus based on anecdotal evidence is that tuned K03 cars would be fine with an S3 intercooler. Tuned K04 cars could do with an uprated intercooler
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Just wondering is it worth fitting a uprated ic to our cars as uk weather isn't really that hot!!
i think the general consensus based on anecdotal evidence is that tuned K03 cars would be fine with an S3 intercooler. Tuned K04 cars could do with an uprated intercooler
don't want to sound stupid,but will I get any power increase if fitted one with a remap??
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don't want to sound stupid,but will I get any power increase if fitted one with a remap??
An uprated IC doesn't increase your hp but instead stops you losing hp due to high intake temps. The net result is that your car produces more hp.
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Well, glad to hear that it fitted eventually on a Mk5 as it was a duff fit on the Octavia....anyone want to buy an Airtec? :grin:
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Got any pics muckypup?
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Got any pics muckypup?
Do you mean pics of the Airtec off the car or the fitting issue that I had on the Octavia? I can get both but you will need to give me a day or two. :happy2:
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Both if you could. I fancy an uprated cooler for my edition 30, just weighing up my options :happy2:
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Only have these pics at the moment but could try and retrieve others...
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-VWWUEcE93Ts/UA3AZ4iqeYI/AAAAAAAABH4/IpaAaGZutm8/s800/IMG_00001.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-XEo6FLZGg6s/UA3AgArp5hI/AAAAAAAABII/WxhqZS2RnF0/s800/IMG_00003.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-xRs0KbbLULc/UA3AicTok2I/AAAAAAAABIQ/ztQVSN2m9VA/s800/IMG_00004.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Rl34DGmeCiw/UA3AlV_yqSI/AAAAAAAABIY/j1dAG6-ENag/s800/IMG_00005.jpg)
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Well just bought the above off muckipup so we'll see how it fits on my edition 30 before I go for my revo stage 2 retune :happy2:
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MuckyPup - these photos are of the "secondary" IC that works a bit like the Forge Twintercooler and assumes you've got a working standard IC ... I had the full replacement fitted - which is frighteningly similar to the THS IC - becuase my IC was leaking like hell - one pipe had snapped off somehow :surprised: It was fitted and does work - and its a fair bit cheaper than APR and a little cheaper than THS as it comes with all the fittings (even if two bolts are slightly too short).
So far so good - but the car is still standard due to the bill I had to pay last month!
Roll on Friday when Twintake and Revo Stg 2 engine and Stg1 DSG are fitted :party: - along with I hope one hell of a smile! :driver:
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How you finding the airtec intercooler
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buying these instead of from the likes of forge, apr etc is just sh*ttin on our own industry. At this rate if the likes of forge no longer make money because some company decided to copy their design and produce a lesser quality product, they wont develop stuff for us in the future.
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buying these instead of from the likes of forge, apr etc is just sh*ttin on our own industry. At this rate if the likes of forge no longer make money because some company decided to copy their design and produce a lesser quality product, they wont develop stuff for us in the future.
Its about time the goverment just banned all cheap chinese copies and looked after our own industry across the board, might go along way to helping this country out of the mess its in. But then again they'd rather just keep giving money to the banksters :stupid:
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buying these instead of from the likes of forge, apr etc is just sh*ttin on our own industry. At this rate if the likes of forge no longer make money because some company decided to copy their design and produce a lesser quality product, they wont develop stuff for us in the future.
Its about time the goverment just banned all cheap chinese copies and looked after our own industry across the board, might go along way to helping this country out of the mess its in. But then again they'd rather just keep giving money to the banksters :stupid:
Agree 100%
Less focus on those city wankers and back onto manufacturing and engineering. If we would have continued this route we would have had a strong economy currently like the germans!
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A few points in my humble opinion;
1. I absolutely agree we should protect the investment that companies make in new ideas / designs etc but that does mean we would be paying more to some countries - but then others would be paying us for the privilege. There is another way of thinking about this; rather than whingeing about theft of ideas (which has been going on since the dawn of time) just build better or price-match the fakes out of business - its what the film industry are doing with with on-line digital films.
2. Forge don't offer a replacement i/c - or at least I couldn't find one on their website or from their dealers - only the twintercooler. THS decided to close for business when I needed the replacement and I'm not paying £900 for something that at £500 is [arguably] over-specified for my needs anyway.
3. Apart from the issues I mentioned previously the quality of the core and actual welding is very good - and appears british
4. I've now had the Stg 2 engine and Stg 1 DSG fitted - wow its like having a new car! Chuffed to bits.
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Sorry lads but these are from an Essex company
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MuckyPup - these photos are of the "secondary" IC that works a bit like the Forge Twintercooler and assumes you've got a working standard IC ... I had the full replacement fitted
Ah, I thought we were talking about the Airtec secondary cooler given the link in the OP