MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: joseleeds on April 11, 2012, 05:24:52 pm
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Looking into changing my exhaust, from the the amount of great reviews, i headed to milltek first, only to find i wouldn't be getting much change from a £1000 for a turbo back resonated system (for a gt tdi 140).
As this cuts into my savings substantially i carried on my search to find Longlife Exhausts, and they quoted me £399, fitted, for the exact same piece system. I'm no pro on welding or exhausts etc but surely the fact they offer you a lifetime guarantee protects you against anything that might go wrong.
Anybody shed any light on this....
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i worked for a welding firm and to be honest alot of the cheaper ones look very similar weld quality wise, as for performance i have no idea
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With Milltek it's not hype but established reputation based on user experience.
I don't believe that the Longlife system will be exactly the same as a Milltek but just cheaper!
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Milltek are made for specific vehicles to get the best performance gain.
I Believe Longlife use universal boxes which have set noise levels. ok if you need a new exhaust but if you want a first time fit and enjoy go Milltek
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Yes, Milltek exhaust systems are definitely designed for performance and they use specific cars to develop their systems for. I kinda assumed that all exhaust manufacturers did that unless they were just boy-racer noise makers.
It's advisable to go to an approved Milltek fitter. While I was at JKM the other day, someone brought in an Audi RS6 MTM Avant (quite a car) with a badly fitted Milltek which needed refitting as Milltek had asked JKM to do so the owner wouldn't have to drive all the way north to Derby.
Milltek make performance exhausts which blow your mind, not your ears. In my neck of the woods the Police are testing roadside equipment to measure and stop the boy-racer levels of noise. The plan is to introduce this equipment to other forces throughout England.
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^ I'm a Milltek fanboy and proud of it!
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Or go BCS and get a better system or blueflame for less money and you dont pay £200 for the priveledge of a Milltek badge then :happy2:
Sorry Robin could not resist :signLOL:
P.S. im a mainstream hater :wink:
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Blueflame is still going is it? :evilgrin:
The BCS on Tsfi_Mike's Cupra sounded good yesterday.
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Or go BCS and get a better system or blueflame for less money and you dont pay £200 for the priveledge of a Milltek badge then :happy2:
Sorry Robin could not resist :signLOL:
P.S. im a mainstream hater :wink:
....Now play fair! :grin: You know there's far more to a Milltek system than just a badge. And I'm not knocking BCS am I? - In fact I posted the contrary re Mike's Cupra.
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BCS. Better quality for less money. Do it. :happy2:
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Well i really don't want it loud, thats why i was opting for the resonated approach. Are you suggesting even with a resonated system a cheaper exhaust will be really loud?
From looking at the details of the kits i presume the differences lie solely in the back box then? As there really isn't much to the rest of the system (when going for turbo back)
Maybe buy a milltek back box and have the rest of the kit made by longlife?!
Im not against any of these brands, or even paying the money, if its worth it. I just wanted to see why people were so happy to part with £££ for their milltek system. As well as get a better idea about the whole exhaust thing, as you may have guessed, this is all pretty new to me.
Joe
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Well i really don't want it loud, thats why i was opting for the resonated approach. Are you suggesting even with a resonated system a cheaper exhaust will be really loud?
From looking at the details of the kits i presume the differences lie solely in the back box then? As there really isn't much to the rest of the system (when going for turbo back)
Maybe buy a milltek back box and have the rest of the kit made by longlife?
....No no no no! Don't mix it! I know some folks do but you are not getting the best you can and you won't get any manufacturer's aftersales support. There's all sorts of considerations such as back pressure etc.
The big question is what do you want an aftermarket exhaust to do for you? Sound or Performance?
Performance gains are only significant if you also remap.
Apart from Milltek, BCS, APR, and Blueflame(?), Scorpion(?) are the main contenders for performance with sound but not OTT sound for road use.
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Well i really don't want it loud, thats why i was opting for the resonated approach. Are you suggesting even with a resonated system a cheaper exhaust will be really loud?
From looking at the details of the kits i presume the differences lie solely in the back box then? As there really isn't much to the rest of the system (when going for turbo back)
Maybe buy a milltek back box and have the rest of the kit made by longlife?!
Im not against any of these brands, or even paying the money, if its worth it. I just wanted to see why people were so happy to part with £££ for their milltek system. As well as get a better idea about the whole exhaust thing, as you may have guessed, this is all pretty new to me.
Joe
BCS systems are not loud, I HATE chavvy loud boy racer exhausts, to me the BCS system was nice n quiet pootling around and then sporty when giving it some (although I can only comment on the BCS "Valvetech" exhaust as thats the only one I have heard), similar money to Milltek but pictures on the forums show you how good a quality it is and facetube if your friend for hearing exhausts :happy2:
TBF the Milltek was the only "Quality" exhaust available for a while so it got a following, personally speaking.... meh (Sorry Robin :happy2:)
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TBF the Milltek was the only "Quality" exhaust available for a while so it got a following, personally speaking.... meh (Sorry Robin :happy2:)
....And Milltek will still be going strong when some of the others have disappeared. Do you know how many decades Milltek have been offering exhaust systems? Think Austin Healey 3000! Are you old enough to know what car that is? :laugh:
As I have already posted, there are others to consider as well as Milltek but I would stay away from mixing and from generic Longlife types.
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Ok well my understanding of back pressure isn't great. I was under the impression that if Milltek run a 2.75" pipe from turbo to back box, with no CAT then it shouldn't be to hard to recreate the same back pressure with the same 2.75" pipe, this time made by, say, Longlife (to to fit with the OP)
What difference would the milltek made pipes make?
I am after 100% performance, but would prefer it if people didn't hear me coming a mile before i'm already there (no diesel jokes :signLOL: )
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TBF the Milltek was the only "Quality" exhaust available for a while so it got a following, personally speaking.... meh (Sorry Robin :happy2:)
....And Milltek will still be going strong when some of the others have disappeared. Do you know how many decades Milltek have been offering exhaust systems? Think Austin Healey 3000! Are you old enough to know what car that is? :laugh:
I am sure they will be going strong and its a good exhaust, but others have caught up (if not bettered their quality) and are similar (if not lower) priced and yes I know what a Healey 3000 is, im pretty sure my dad had one of those in his youth :signLOL:
As I have already posted, there are others to consider as well as Milltek but I would stay away from mixing and from generic Longlife types.
Agreed 100% dont mix n match, buy either APR RSC, Milltek or BCS (priced in descending order :happy2:)
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Ok well my understanding of back pressure isn't great. I was under the impression that if Milltek run a 2.75" pipe from turbo to back box, with no CAT then it shouldn't be to hard to recreate the same back pressure with the same 2.75" pipe, this time made by, say, Longlife (to to fit with the OP)
What difference would the milltek made pipes make?
I am after 100% performance, but would prefer it if people didn't hear me coming a mile before i'm already there (no diesel jokes :signLOL: )
For performance and quiet I would consider either Milltek or BCS (Millteks are inherantly quiet and BCS do 3 versions depends on how quiet you want it :happy2:)
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I am after 100% performance, but would prefer it if people didn't hear me coming a mile before i'm already there (no diesel jokes :signLOL: )
....All 3 of the systems which both Tamiyoman and I are recommending are sophisticated in their sound: A gentle burble when idling and only louder when on full throttle.
If you were to get the Milltek Resonated version it's not a lot louder than OEM by virtue of having a silencer box in the centre pipe but I appreciate you may have budget limitations.
APR is quiet on idle or pootling around town but really raucous when on the throttle - Which can be really nice depending what you want.
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if you have identical exhast pipe diameters, with similar bends, the only difference in performance will be how the muffler is packed. what you are paying for in more expensive exhausts is better quality steel, and welds.
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First proper post on here (woo :smiley: ), I've got the Scorpion/STR system (non-res) and I gotta say its very nice, cost about £400ish . Engine feels a lot smoother and only a slight increase in noise (not boy racery at all) if u wanted it OEM just get the res one. STR are keen to ensure all buyers of these ltd edition systems are happy and I'm pretty sure their after care would be top notch (i had someone from the factory come along to make sure my installation went to plan). I just wanted something a bit diff' and am happy with what I got
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Looking into changing my exhaust, from the the amount of great reviews, i headed to milltek first, only to find i wouldn't be getting much change from a £1000 for a turbo back resonated system (for a gt tdi 140).
As this cuts into my savings substantially i carried on my search to find Longlife Exhausts, and they quoted me £399, fitted, for the exact same piece system. I'm no pro on welding or exhausts etc but surely the fact they offer you a lifetime guarantee protects you against anything that might go wrong.
Anybody shed any light on this....
Don't go for a resonated system on gt tdi! A non res is what you want :happy2:
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OK, well i definitely have a better understanding of the options available now...only problem is i'm back to square one!!....i want an exhaust i can't afford :sad1:
Either way, i really appreciate peoples time and effort in answering my questions :happy2:
Cheers
Joe
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Looking into changing my exhaust, from the the amount of great reviews, i headed to milltek first, only to find i wouldn't be getting much change from a £1000 for a turbo back resonated system (for a gt tdi 140).
As this cuts into my savings substantially i carried on my search to find Longlife Exhausts, and they quoted me £399, fitted, for the exact same piece system. I'm no pro on welding or exhausts etc but surely the fact they offer you a lifetime guarantee protects you against anything that might go wrong.
Anybody shed any light on this....
Do go for a resonated system on gt tdi! A non res is what you want :happy2:
Why is this mate...do you have videos of gt tdi with a non res?
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Well i really don't want it loud, thats why i was opting for the resonated approach. Are you suggesting even with a resonated system a cheaper exhaust will be really loud?
From looking at the details of the kits i presume the differences lie solely in the back box then? As there really isn't much to the rest of the system (when going for turbo back)
Maybe buy a milltek back box and have the rest of the kit made by longlife?!
Im not against any of these brands, or even paying the money, if its worth it. I just wanted to see why people were so happy to part with £££ for their milltek system. As well as get a better idea about the whole exhaust thing, as you may have guessed, this is all pretty new to me.
Joe
BCS systems are not loud, I HATE chavvy loud boy racer exhausts, to me the BCS system was nice n quiet pootling around and then sporty when giving it some (although I can only comment on the BCS "Valvetech" exhaust as thats the only one I have heard), similar money to Milltek but pictures on the forums show you how good a quality it is and facetube if your friend for hearing exhausts :happy2:
TBF the Milltek was the only "Quality" exhaust available for a while so it got a following, personally speaking.... meh (Sorry Robin :happy2:)
What warranty do BCS offer?.... Is it lifetime like milltek?
I was lucky enough to buy a 2nd hand Downpipe, and even then, milltek repaired it free of charge. says volumes for there customer care and after sales, they didn't have to assist, but they chose to, and to this day, it still wouldn't consider any other manufacturer purely for the fact they have looked after me well as a valued customer.
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Well i really don't want it loud, thats why i was opting for the resonated approach. Are you suggesting even with a resonated system a cheaper exhaust will be really loud?
From looking at the details of the kits i presume the differences lie solely in the back box then? As there really isn't much to the rest of the system (when going for turbo back)
Maybe buy a milltek back box and have the rest of the kit made by longlife?!
Im not against any of these brands, or even paying the money, if its worth it. I just wanted to see why people were so happy to part with £££ for their milltek system. As well as get a better idea about the whole exhaust thing, as you may have guessed, this is all pretty new to me.
Joe
BCS systems are not loud, I HATE chavvy loud boy racer exhausts, to me the BCS system was nice n quiet pootling around and then sporty when giving it some (although I can only comment on the BCS "Valvetech" exhaust as thats the only one I have heard), similar money to Milltek but pictures on the forums show you how good a quality it is and facetube if your friend for hearing exhausts :happy2:
TBF the Milltek was the only "Quality" exhaust available for a while so it got a following, personally speaking.... meh (Sorry Robin :happy2:)
What warranty do BCS offer?.... Is it lifetime like milltek?
Thats a question for BCS i think, plus aint Milltek's "Lifetime" Guarantee only for the period you own the car? (for me that would be 4-5 years) or do they still warranty it 3 owners and 10 years down the line?
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Another Milltek fan here,had one fitted to my last GTI. But the thing i dont like about them now is the horrible bolt on tailpipes they have started using, put me right off getting one for my ED 30.
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Well i really don't want it loud, thats why i was opting for the resonated approach. Are you suggesting even with a resonated system a cheaper exhaust will be really loud?
From looking at the details of the kits i presume the differences lie solely in the back box then? As there really isn't much to the rest of the system (when going for turbo back)
Maybe buy a milltek back box and have the rest of the kit made by longlife?!
Im not against any of these brands, or even paying the money, if its worth it. I just wanted to see why people were so happy to part with £££ for their milltek system. As well as get a better idea about the whole exhaust thing, as you may have guessed, this is all pretty new to me.
Joe
BCS systems are not loud, I HATE chavvy loud boy racer exhausts, to me the BCS system was nice n quiet pootling around and then sporty when giving it some (although I can only comment on the BCS "Valvetech" exhaust as thats the only one I have heard), similar money to Milltek but pictures on the forums show you how good a quality it is and facetube if your friend for hearing exhausts :happy2:
TBF the Milltek was the only "Quality" exhaust available for a while so it got a following, personally speaking.... meh (Sorry Robin :happy2:)
What warranty do BCS offer?.... Is it lifetime like milltek?
Thats a question for BCS i think, plus aint Milltek's "Lifetime" Guarantee only for the period you own the car? (for me that would be 4-5 years) or do they still warranty it 3 owners and 10 years down the line?
Well in my case no, because I bought it 2nd hand. they have also fixed Alex Perkins Cracked Downpipe after a 2nd hand purchase, from this forum. also like me. Milltek recognised that the cracks were a manufacturing issue, and we fixed FOC, and we both we not the original purchasers. being a member of this site played a huge part into Millteks willingness to resolve. bad press is never good for a reputable company like Milltek. I highly rate them from my experiences and those of others.
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Looking into changing my exhaust, from the the amount of great reviews, i headed to milltek first, only to find i wouldn't be getting much change from a £1000 for a turbo back resonated system (for a gt tdi 140).
As this cuts into my savings substantially i carried on my search to find Longlife Exhausts, and they quoted me £399, fitted, for the exact same piece system. I'm no pro on welding or exhausts etc but surely the fact they offer you a lifetime guarantee protects you against anything that might go wrong.
Anybody shed any light on this....
Do go for a resonated system on gt tdi! A non res is what you want :happy2:
Why is this mate...do you have videos of gt tdi with a non res?
I had a non res on my tdi and it was perfect, I was told a resonated system won't really make a difference on a diesel. I'll post the link to the video of mine gimme a sec
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Go for a decent quality system that won't break the bank. The Milltek probably wont have been specifically developed for your car as even on their web site somewhere it says they have released an adaptor pipe which allows fitment of the gti/ed30 system :smiley:
If it's a 140 tdi then the THS downpipe is around £60 cheaper, includes adaptors and looks good quality. This will fit to a cat back system
I'm sure someone on here has fitted one recently.
Good luck
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i have thw milly on mine turbo back non res--when you rev the car you can hear the exhaust a little but in a good way :evilgrin:..cruising on the motor way its quite as the standard one--mine was £700 fitted at awesome
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I know it's short but it's the only video I have of mine.
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Go for a decent quality system that won't break the bank. The Milltek probably wont have been specifically developed for your car as even on their web site somewhere it says they have released an adaptor pipe which allows fitment of the gti/ed30 system :smiley:
If it's a 140 tdi then the THS downpipe is around £60 cheaper, includes adaptors and looks good quality. This will fit to a cat back system
I'm sure someone on here has fitted one recently.
Good luck
there is no adaptor pipe on mine
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Just to add my recent Milltek experience.
I have always thought they were a quality product but pretty expensive and probably out of my price range for a full system, but recently I wanted to add to my Milltek DP (which was bought in a group buy off here).
Anyway my local tuner had a secondhand (12 month old) cat back Milltek for sale and feeling it was a good deal I agreed to buy it.
The Ed30 tailpipes on this exhaust were not in tremendous condition and my local company here sent it back to Milltek to see if they could 'factory fix' the tailpipes.
Anyway it must have been too much of a job, so instead they sent through a new rear silencer, with new style bolt on ends, which for me was a great gesture and shows that customer service is really there at Milltek.
Now the full system is on (mine's got both silencers) and it looks and sounds quality.
Just my experience..recently.
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Go for a decent quality system that won't break the bank. The Milltek probably wont have been specifically developed for your car as even on their web site somewhere it says they have released an adaptor pipe which allows fitment of the gti/ed30 system :smiley:
If it's a 140 tdi then the THS downpipe is around £60 cheaper, includes adaptors and looks good quality. This will fit to a cat back system
I'm sure someone on here has fitted one recently.
Good luck
there is no adaptor pipe on mine
Sorry, what I was trying to get across was that I seriously doubt this was developed specifically for the 2.0 tdi. More of a case of make it fit, see if it sounds ok then if it does, sell it :) Probably much the same as some of the cheaper alternatives.
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i see they must of change the design of it :happy2:
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my two pence worth
http://www.pipewerx.com/
or BCS
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My 2 penneth. Having had a
Symbol formerly known as Prince. Blueflame on my GTI designed by Nige AKA BSC. :rolleye: for a few years and having been in many many Miltek cars. I believe i have a useful opinion here.
I never had any build problems with the Blueflame, fit and forget. I always found it strange though, one day it would sound lovely and the next it would sound crap. No motorway drone and when really hot at the Nurburgring driving at well over a hundred it was beautiful to listen to. :driver:
The Miltek would drone at certain speeds and they always found it hard to cure unless you had a custom model. But the sound in every Milteked car i travelled in was very mature and quality sounding.
I would say the Miltek is for grown ups who want performance and discretion when pootling round town.
Blueflame/ BSC is more for the type of person who wants to feel like they are driving something faster than it actually is and doesnt mind louder in general. :innocent: ( nothing wrong with that of course )
Again just my opinion. :happy2:
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I added a Cat Back Milltek to my Octavia as I found the standard exhaust too anodyne.
My car now has presence and once Skoda fit the wastegate clip a much better sound throughout the rev range. :happy2:
I have had Millteks on my last 4 cars. The R32 exhaust is just aural pleasure in my opinion. :happy2:
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I added a Cat Back Milltek to my Octavia as I found the standard exhaust too anodyne.
My car now has presence and once Skoda fit the wastegate clip a much better sound throughout the rev range. :happy2:
I have had Millteks on my last 4 cars. The R32 exhaust is just aural pleasure in my opinion. :happy2:
I'll second that, twas a delight of the aural nature. :drool: :drool:
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I have had Millteks on my last 4 cars. The R32 exhaust is just oral pleasure in my opinion. :happy2:
I'll second that, twas a delight of the oral nature. :drool: :drool:
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No wonder people keep coming back to milltek kits if thats the case :grin:
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I know it's short but it's the only video I have of mine.
As the now owner of Billy's Milltek :evilgrin: I can totally agree that a non-resonated is a must on a tdi. I run mine without a rear silencer for a while and still couldn't get it to be 'too' loud. Another plus is non-res exhaust are cheaper and lighter.
Billy, I never knew my car sounded like that, mind you, nobody else gets to drive my car! Think I need to adjust the back box as the pipe tips are flush on my car. Would like them to stick out a little so they're easier to clean. :happy2:
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I know it's short but it's the only video I have of mine.
As the now owner of Billy's Milltek :evil: I can totally agree that a non-resonated is a must on a tdi. I run mine without a rear silencer for a while and still couldn't get it to be 'too' loud. Another plus is non-res exhaust are cheaper and lighter.
Billy, I never knew my car sounded like that, mind you, nobody else gets to drive my car! Think I need to adjust the back box as the pipe tips are flush on my car. Would like them to stick out a little so they're easier to clean. :happy2:
Have someone do a drive by while you record a video for us all :wink: sounds awesome when you put your foot down :evilgrin:
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I have had Millteks on my last 4 cars. The R32 exhaust is just oral pleasure in my opinion. :happy2:
I'll second that, twas a delight of the oral nature. :drool: :drool:
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I dangled that one out there, metaphorically speaking and thought i might catch a Red Snapper :P
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I dangled that one out there, metaphorically speaking and thought i might catch a Red Snapper :P
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Guaranteed! :happy2:
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My 2p.
Had 2 Milltek products, one being a Full Turbo back on my 1.8T MK4 Golf, and the other being a Cat Back on my Ed30.
Sound was fine, no problems at all, sound changed significantly with age, and only got better.
Fit was good, a disconcerting issue was the tendency of the Ed30 Exhaust to 'grow' when warm, the MK4 did not do this. I suspect the design on the MK4 alleviated this, I know it did expand, but was far less noticeable, I also suspect the MK4 was made from a more stable S/S.
Quality was a worry, they both cracked, the MK4 cracked circumferentially around the Turbo flange, and one of the box welds cracked fully. The Ed30 cracked around one of the boxes, on both ends.
Edit - added - I got both exhausts repair welded myself.
I cannot comment on their Cust Service, but having heard of others experiences on here suspect it to be very good.
Summary, a ok product,made by a company with good CS, however there are are other products on the market.
Would I buy another? Probably not, purely due to having both I have experience of crack, yes the CS is apparently great, but the nause of having to return your car to a dealer, or to Milltek HQ or arrange get it fixed yourself. IMO outweigh any benefits.
Just my 2p, based on my experiences.
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To me it is unacceptable to hear that aftermarket exhausts have cracked. How many OEM systems have failed? I'm guessing close to zero under 60-70k miles. :confused:
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think milltek did go through a bad patch with quality but thing its all sorted now
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As I've said before you don't have to spend the earth to get an after market exhaust I have a full Milltek turbo back with 100 cell sports cat system which I bought for about 1/3 price of rrp. With a bit of carefull surfing and purchasing on vdub forums you can easily achieve this you just need some time and patience.!
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Well like People often say.... You will always get some bias from people who own a particular product.
I just want to give you some impartial advice. :happy2:
Basically you want a Beautifully Crafted System,
as well as being Blown away by the Customer Service
You want a Beautiful Civilized Sound around town,
and a Big Crazy Snarl when you plant your foot down. :evilgrin:
There is some Big Coin to be Saved if you know where to go.
Just some things to Bear in mind and Consider! (without me Spelling it out for you) :wink:
Basically there is only one Choice you should Settle-for but like I said I want to stay impartial :happy2:
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Well like People often say.... You will always get some bias from people who own a particular product.
I just want to give you some impartial advice. :happy2:
Basically you want a Beautifully Crafted System,
as well as being Blown away by the Customer Service
You want a Beautiful Civilized Sound around town,
and a Big Crazy Snarl when you plant your foot down. :evilgrin:
There is some Big Coin to be Saved if you know where to go.
Just some things to Bear in mind and Consider! (without me Spelling it out for you) :wink:
Basically there is only one Choice you should Settle-for but like I said I want to stay impartial :happy2:
:signLOL: Carlo, I wish you could be a bit more specific! :laugh:
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Basically Cracking Service....................
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Basically Cracking Service....................
Ahhhhh I see what your saying now.....Milltek it is!
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Basically Cracking Service....................
Ahhhhh I see what your saying now.....Milltek it is!
Nicely done Flora! :congrats: :congrats: :evilgrin:
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Basically Cracking Service....................
Ahhhhh I see what your saying now.....Milltek it is!
Nicely done Flora! :congrats: :congrats: :evilgrin:
You Guys :ashamed: :ashamed: :ashamed:
I never associated Millteks and Cracking :smiley:
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The Miltek would drone at certain speeds and they always found it hard to cure unless you had a custom model. But the sound in every Milteked car i travelled in was very mature and quality sounding.
Historically, wasn't this always the criticism that came up with Miltek? Has this been resolved? I will be looking to get a system for a new car in a few months and want to avoid the motorway cruising speed drone that I currently have with a Pipewerx/Piper system
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Milltek have had their problems over the decades - Which exhaust company with such a big worldwide market and long history, hasn't ever had a problem? But their aftersales service is excellent and they genuinely care and always strive hard to resolve any problems.
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Well like People often say.... You will always get some bias from people who own a particular product.
I just want to give you some impartial advice. :happy2:
Basically you want a Beautifully Crafted System,
as well as being Blown away by the Customer Service
You want a Beautiful Civilized Sound around town,
and a Big Crazy Snarl when you plant your foot down. :evilgrin:
There is some Big Coin to be Saved if you know where to go.
Just some things to Bear in mind and Consider! (without me Spelling it out for you) :wink:
Basically there is only one Choice you should Settle-for but like I said I want to stay impartial :happy2:
How long did it take you to come up with that? :signLOL:
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Ha, believe it or not it came to me as I was writing it!
But seriously, it was meant as a joke only.
I do love the BCS TBE, but a Milly would have suited me fine.
Milltek are well loved for good reason :notworthy:
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I know it's short but it's the only video I have of mine.
As the now owner of Billy's Milltek :evil: I can totally agree that a non-resonated is a must on a tdi. I run mine without a rear silencer for a while and still couldn't get it to be 'too' loud. Another plus is non-res exhaust are cheaper and lighter.
Billy, I never knew my car sounded like that, mind you, nobody else gets to drive my car! Think I need to adjust the back box as the pipe tips are flush on my car. Would like them to stick out a little so they're easier to clean. :happy2:
Have someone do a drive by while you record a video for us all :wink: sounds awesome when you put your foot down :evilgrin:
Not quite got round to doing a drive-by yet, but here's a stationary video much like Billy's. The exhaust is totally different when driving though, a lot deeper and more purposeful. I'm very tempted to get a GoPro camera or similar and strap it to the car. :driver:
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Why are they so expensive, do you get a sports cat with it?Is it from the turbo back ie includes a freer flowing elbow?
There's no way I would pay £1000 for an exhaust.Just go to a respected exhaust builder and tell them exactly what you want.You can pick how many boxes you want and the type & size of them so control the noise that way.
I used to have a 2.5" on my car with a 3" Janspeed downpipe.I had the rest of the system made in 3" with 2 silencers and a smallish back box, costing around £450.
It was quieter on this setup than the last and immediately highlighted how much back pressure the old system was causing as the car immediately spooled quicker and pulled harder.
It's not like Miltek will have some magic formula for the exhaust, chances are they will follow the same path as the original, just with mandrel bends and decent silencers.
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I was stumped why you seemed to be getting such high prices for Milltek Exhausts, then I looked at a pricelist fom Autohaus Edinburgh.
http://www.autohausedinburgh.co.uk/docs/milltek_vw_price_list.pdf (http://www.autohausedinburgh.co.uk/docs/milltek_vw_price_list.pdf)
The prices are slightly out of date (I think) as the VAT is still at 17.5% but here's the reason for the high prices:
Diesel Large Bore Downpipe = £182
Diesel Cat Back Exhaust GT80 = £525
Total = £707
GTI Downppipe with Hi flow cat = £711
Cat back GTI non-res twin exit = £453
Total = £1164!!
I've come to only one conclusion: Buy a Diesel Car!! :P
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Why are they so expensive, do you get a sports cat with it?Is it from the turbo back ie includes a freer flowing elbow?
There's no way I would pay £1000 for an exhaust.Just go to a respected exhaust builder and tell them exactly what you want.You can pick how many boxes you want and the type & size of them so control the noise that way.
I used to have a 2.5" on my car with a 3" Janspeed downpipe.I had the rest of the system made in 3" with 2 silencers and a smallish back box, costing around £450.
It was quieter on this setup than the last and immediately highlighted how much back pressure the old system was causing as the car immediately spooled quicker and pulled harder.
It's not like Miltek will have some magic formula for the exhaust, chances are they will follow the same path as the original, just with mandrel bends and decent silencers.
....Fine if you prefer cheaper self designed systems. There's more to a Milltek exhaust than just noise. Chances are (to use your words) that you don't know.
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Thanks for all of the positive feed back from members who have actually purchased or listened to our systems.
For the record we are a small company specialising mainly in VAG and Ford plat formed cars.
Our size allowing us to go to the nth degree when developing our products with you the enthusiast in mind.
As a Mk5 lover and owner myself I have had the privilege of pouring months of development into a range of three systems designed to offer something for everyone's requirements, including my own - hence our new 'Powervalve' range.
Please do not interpret this as an advert, or a promotion - merely correcting the view that our systems maybe perceived as being only suited for those who want loud exhausts.
In closing I would really love the opportunity to get together a group of owners with different systems fitted to demonstrate the merits of all the manufacturers products at one time, as just in our choice of clothes what appeals to one consumer will often vary from person to person.
Ultimately the main thing is customer satisfaction, and no matter who makes the system if the choice made results in a happy and satisfied customer when all things are considered then the manufacturer has succeeded in his goal.
Cheers
Nige
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Thanks for all of the positive feed back from members who have actually purchased or listened to our systems.
For the record we are a small company specialising mainly in VAG and Ford plat formed cars.
Our size allowing us to go to the nth degree when developing our products with you the enthusiast in mind.
As a Mk5 lover and owner myself I have had the privilege of pouring months of development into a range of three systems designed to offer something for everyone's requirements, including my own - hence our new 'Powervalve' range.
Please do not interpret this as an advert, or a promotion - merely correcting the view that our systems maybe perceived as being only suited for those who want loud exhausts.
In closing I would really love the opportunity to get together a group of owners with different systems fitted to demonstrate the merits of all the manufacturers products at one time, as just in our choice of clothes what appeals to one consumer will often vary from person to person.
Ultimately the main thing is customer satisfaction, and no matter who makes the system if the choice made results in a happy and satisfied customer when all things are considered then the manufacturer has succeeded in his goal.
Cheers
Nige
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Nicely put Nige :happy2:, having heard the "Powervalve" system myself 4 weeks ago and yesterday booked in for fitting of the Powervalve TBE system (Its nice and quiet off boost and "Sporty" when flooring it which is exactly what I wanted!) now I have to bear the next 3 weeks until I can get "Up North" to have mine fitted :drool:.
I think its a great Idea to compare the systems on their individual merits, costs and performance gains from the various players below (Forgive me if i missed anyone)
BCS
Milltek
Apr Rsc
Blueflame
Scorpion
Jetex
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....Fine if you prefer cheaper self designed systems. There's more to a Milltek exhaust than just noise. Chances are (to use your words) that you don't know.
I don't know, that's why I asked.
It's not a case of just preferring the cheapest option.I like value for money and quality equally.
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It's not a case of just preferring the cheapest option. I like value for money and quality equally.
....When someone uses the term 'good value for money' it's usually because the product is cheaper than would be expected. I guess that most folks want to pay as little as they possibly can for every single item they spend money on, just not only motor industry products. Personally, although I'm not as wealthy as many people think, I always put quality first.
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It's not a case of just preferring the cheapest option. I like value for money and quality equally.
....When someone uses the term 'good value for money' it's usually because the product is cheaper than would be expected. I guess that most folks want to pay as little as they possibly can for every single item they spend money on, just not only motor industry products. Personally, although I'm not as wealthy as many people think, I always put quality first.
Yes but quality does not cost money, its usually the name that costs money.
2 Items made in same way from same materials, one sold under large well known name= high price, other sold under not so well known name= lower price.
Paying twice as much does not guarantee quality it only guarantees your paying for a well known company making it.
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Yes but quality does not cost money, its usually the name that costs money.
2 Items made in same way from same materials, one sold under large well known name= high price, other sold under not so well known name= lower price.
Paying twice as much does not guarantee quality it only guarantees your paying for a well known company making it.
.... When you decide to buy a brand it's because of what that particular brand represents across a whole range of considerations. You seem to have a problem with a brand just because they are successful and because they may be more expensive.
Anyway, each to their own and it's an open market - Buy whatever suits you. :smiley:
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I have an issue with brands as thats what they are just a "Brand" and you pay accordingly. :smiley:
I dont have a specific issue with the "Big Boys" in the tuning industry, only I disagree with their business practices of taking out the smaller companies or amalgamating them into their own, swapping and changing about ultimately to generate more business for themselves (Awesome GTI) or buying other companies products an sticking a label on it and calling it something else to squeeze more money out of people (APR/VWR) and paying for a name is a no go for me (Forge).
Its like Sony, Samsung, LG, Panasonic TV'S etc, most TV components are made in one of 2/3 factories, they are then shipped for assembly and costs vary depending on "brand", essentially your getting the same TV internals in different boxes and at vastly differing prices, why?, you pay for the name/perceived quality.
Its the same in the tuning industry, only takes 1 man to crack an ECU code and to license it/sell the knowledge to different companies and they then make 1 or 10 differences to it based on what competitors are doing, same thing different prices, why are prices higher than others for essentially the same thing?, more aggressive marketing?, buy outs/mergers?, happy to pay for the name?, percdeived quality or all of the above?.
Each to their own I guess, for me tho, I personally ignore the big boys and support the smaller companies that breed competition and hopefully keep prices in check, if the smaller companies did not exist Do you think the big boys prices won't go up?
Anyway back on point, Milltek- could I have bought one, Yes, did I?, No, Why?, Cracking issues (Which I know they fix under their guarantee, but if they are that good/quality should they crack?), Just a profit margin rather than valued customer, another reason not to own one = everyone else has one :signLOL:
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It's not a case of just preferring the cheapest option. I like value for money and quality equally.
....When someone uses the term 'good value for money' it's usually because the product is cheaper than would be expected. I guess that most folks want to pay as little as they possibly can for every single item they spend money on, just not only motor industry products. Personally, although I'm not as wealthy as many people think, I always put quality first.
Perhaps for some, not in my case though.For me value for money is something where I can see its worth what's being charged.I can see where the effort has been made and the materials used.
I'm not rich but have had quite a few bespoke items made and engineering work done and have genreally thought it was good value for money, although not necessarily cheap.
I certainly wasn't trying to put Miltek down, I was asking why they were the price they were.
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I have an issue with brands as thats what they are just a "Brand" and you pay accordingly. :smiley:
....Much as i respect your views and opinions, I could enter into a long debate about the definition of brands, but it would take us way off topic. :happy2:
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I have heard bad things about Milltek other than the cracking issue but this would purely be speculation/gossip mongering to post them on a public forum and the moderator would rightly remove them. Also, I have no experience of their products personally so cannot base any opinion of my own, I highly respect the opinions of people like Red Robin, Top Cat etc and understand plenty of people rate them.
I do think it is easy to get swept up though with the biggest is best and people should look around before parting with their hard earned but the same can be said of all products/services.
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I have an issue with brands as thats what they are just a "Brand" and you pay accordingly. :smiley:
....Much as i respect your views and opinions, I could enter into a long debate about the definition of brands, but it would take us way off topic. :happy2:
As i duly respect your opinions Robin :happy2:
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I do think it is easy to get swept up though with the biggest is best and people should look around before parting with their hard earned but the same can be said of all products/services.
Yup dont be s sheep, make up your own mind based on your own research or first hand experiences and then choose accordingly :happy2: