MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: GrayMK5GTI on June 23, 2012, 08:11:42 pm
-
Hi guys,
Got myself a bargain set of R32 brakes last night, but after comparing them with some of the pics on the forum they look slightly different :surprised:
First of all, where there is a hole on top where you can see the piston, on mine there is a small "bridge" across it. There's a couple of other small differences (which you can spot for yourself below :grin:)
Also they came with a set of 320mm audi discs (I was expecting 345mm) so wondering if someone had used them as a big brake kit on another VAG car but with the smaller disks?
Theyre basically identical to the fronts in this eBay listing:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VW-Golf-MK5-R32-Front-345-Rear-310-Brake-Calipers-Carriers-Disks-AUDI-S3-Cupra-/221050558676?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3377a3d8d4#ht_688wt_689
Been to awesome GTI who believed the calipers were off an R32 (certainly said they are big enough) although weren't 100% sure.
Have a look at the pics below and let me know what you think. . . . Ignore the surface rust (I'm going to refurb them back to new)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1091.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi399%2FWhitehedgraeme%2F3c942d0a.jpg&hash=9a5b4b9004d260f9b354068d74720e97ffbc180e)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1091.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi399%2FWhitehedgraeme%2F5733e475.jpg&hash=b3a125b7a9a93dd99653dd38ec4365a9180e162c)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1091.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi399%2FWhitehedgraeme%2F0957261c.jpg&hash=12748c30041bd72e61f49394477b46a92b601f1e)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1091.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi399%2FWhitehedgraeme%2Fb42f12d4.jpg&hash=545b3197ccbbd874455aac0433d46cf8bb279f5c)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1091.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi399%2FWhitehedgraeme%2Fd3f698b0.jpg&hash=18638b2cd0e30809e6549045e6261f49e5f5ad99)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1091.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi399%2FWhitehedgraeme%2F06cae5e6.jpg&hash=eeca02d8a0dbb6328181e904c9b993b5ee1ca750)
Thanks for looking,
Graeme
-
These are mine
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fww275%2FTaufe%2Ffbca9d04.jpg&hash=ab37f8c9fa9779570b0259d1aacbc979f0a8c16e)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fww275%2FTaufe%2Fafdba0bb.jpg&hash=0c7c7ef0e5229cd06d7c3612273b4cb9d06025b1)
Yours look the same or very similar. I think they may be off an S3 though as Audi had Black, R32 were blue and Leon Cupra R were red
-
That's for that Carl :notworthy:
Yours is fully open in the oval shaped bit on top like the others. But I'm glad the general size and shape is the same.
At the moment I'm wondering if they are either a very early or late part revision?
-
They change all the time. The current S3 ones have little wings at the top and bottom.
Is their no part no. anywhere?
-
Mine are identical to Carl's pics.
Hopefully Dave B will be along shortly :happy2:
Have you searched for any info on revisions to the brakes (other than the 'wings')? They deffo look like a 345mm setup, but the differences are clear.
-
Is it a possibility the carriers are different if running a 320mm disc?
-
Is it a possibility the carriers are different if running a 320mm disc?
Cheers Dom I was wondering that. The bits inside the calipers (I guess that's the carriers?) seem identical to everyone else's - although if anyone has some dimensions I could compare with?
-
They change all the time. The current S3 ones have little wings at the top and bottom.
Is their no part no. anywhere?
No, can't see any, other than the number 974 on the back and a number on the carriers (but doesn't look like a part no)
-
Mine are identical to Carl's pics.
Hopefully Dave B will be along shortly :happy2:
Have you searched for any info on revisions to the brakes (other than the 'wings')? They deffo look like a 345mm setup, but the differences are clear.
Good thinking cheers Gareth - will have a look now :happy2:
-
Some audis do run with 321mm discs, so could they be from a top end A4/A6???
-
Some audis do run with 321mm discs, so could they be from a top end A4/A6???
Awesome GTI checked the part number on the disks and they were off an Audi A6 or 8. These calipers seem a bit big though for 321mm disks? I wondered if someone had used these calipers with the 321mm disks as like a BBK.
Just want to use them with 345mm disks :party:
-
May have solved this for myself :jumpmove:
The Darkside Jetta has EXACTLY the same brakes on it - with 345mm disks :star:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,41697.0.html
Thanks for all who responded :wink:
-
Unless I'm missing something painfully obvious from the jetta thread, I am amazed by your searching abilities :notworthy:
-
Look like MK2 TT V6 calipers to me. Only 345mm calipers that didn't come painted.
-
Look like MK2 TT V6 calipers to me. Only 345mm calipers that didn't come painted.
A3 3.2?
-
They look like A3 3.2 Quattro calipers to me. They are same as 345mm R32 calipers but without the paint.
Edit: if they come with 320mm discs they will have different carriers. A4 tfsi quattro's run the 320mm setup.
-
Look like MK2 TT V6 calipers to me. Only 345mm calipers that didn't come painted.
A3 3.2?
Damn it. Forgot the A3 3.2!
-
Look like MK2 TT V6 calipers to me. Only 345mm calipers that didn't come painted.
A3 3.2?
Damn it. Forgot the A3 3.2!
Cheers guys. I also found them on the A6 Quattro doing my research - that would explain the 321mm disks they came with
-
They look like R32 calipers but the way the fiexi hose connects is different to how they are on the mk5 so your need a few bits and pieces. :happy2:
-
They look like R32 calipers but the way the fiexi hose connects is different to how they are on the mk5 so your need a few bits and pieces. :happy2:
Hi Rich!
Any idea what pieces I'll need? (I know F all about brakes lol)
I'll have to get some R32 brake lines wasn't aware of any other parts :sad1:
Cheers,
Graeme
-
I nearly went the A4 Quattro 320mm discs but-
1. I didn't now if the carrier would fit the hub
2. 320mm is not much of an upgrade from the standard 312mm
The plus point is they can be bought very cheaply.
-
I nearly went the A4 Quattro 320mm discs but-
1. I didn't now if the carrier would fit the hub
2. 320mm is not much of an upgrade from the standard 312mm
The plus point is they can be bought very cheaply.
These should work with 345mm disks - Darksides Jetta TDI has these exact calipers with 345mm disks.
They seem to be basically the same as R32 brakes, with a few subtle cosmetic differences on the top.
-
I nearly went the A4 Quattro 320mm discs but-
1. I didn't now if the carrier would fit the hub
2. 320mm is not much of an upgrade from the standard 312mm
The plus point is they can be bought very cheaply.
These should work with 345mm disks - Darksides Jetta TDI has these exact calipers with 345mm disks.
They seem to be basically the same as R32 brakes, with a few subtle cosmetic differences on the top.
But the carrier is setup for 320mm pads, you'll end up with a rusty ring round the outside won't you?
-
They look like R32 calipers but the way the fiexi hose connects is different to how they are on the mk5 so your need a few bits and pieces. :happy2:
Hi Rich!
Any idea what pieces I'll need? (I know F all about brakes lol)
I'll have to get some R32 brake lines wasn't aware of any other parts :sad1:
Cheers,
Graeme
Worth giving Darksiders Developments a call to ask what other parts were needed?
-
Not R32's/s3's. They are Audi's as fitted to bigger engined a4's and A6's and lower spec a8's. The discs will have the wrong center bore and the calipers are the wrong offset.
You could possibly adapt but not a standard fit :sad1:
-
They look like R32 calipers but the way the fiexi hose connects is different to how they are on the mk5 so your need a few bits and pieces. :happy2:
Hi Rich!
Any idea what pieces I'll need? (I know F all about brakes lol)
I'll have to get some R32 brake lines wasn't aware of any other parts :sad1:
Cheers,
Graeme
Worth giving Darksiders Developments a call to ask what other parts were needed?
Yeah I think that's best :happy2:
Just compared the carriers and the photo of the back of the caliper against pics of other R32 brakes on the forum and they look the same :jumpmove:
Could really do with some dimensions to compare against :sad1:
Any brake experts in the north west / Cheshire??
-
If I still had my old scrap discs, I'd have sent one up to you for a test fit.
You're definitely going down the R32 route, so could be an idea to buy your 345mm discs and test fit the setup on one side before you start painting and buying brake lines etc...
Given the uncertainty, I'd call Darkside tomorrow morning. As you've pointed out, they have definitely made these calipers and a 345mm disc fit a mk5.
-
If I still had my old scrap discs, I'd have sent one up to you for a test fit.
You're definitely going down the R32 route, so could be an idea to buy your 345mm discs and test fit the setup on one side before you start painting and buying brake lines etc...
Given the uncertainty, I'd call Darkside tomorrow morning. As you've pointed out, they have definitely made these calipers and a 345mm disc fit a mk5.
Bit skint now for the time being so disks will have to wait a while :sad1: - thatkns for the thought of sending your scrap ones up anyway Gareth :happy2:
Hopefully will have these on by the JKM RR day :happy2:
-
Wrong offset, wrong piston size on the caliper, wrong centre bore.
Ditch em mate and get some proper r32 ones, the pedal will be crap with these.
The only common part with these and the R32 setup is the outer part of the caliper, the pad spring and the pads......
Cheers :happy2:
-
Had the same problem. i noticed that, a little bit to late... :stupid:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs2.mojalbum.com%2F3094652_17518277_19556809%2F2012-gti%2F19556809.jpg&hash=85a25a90882668f1dc23c9ba238c04fd23120377)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs2.mojalbum.com%2F3094652_17518277_19556812%2F2012-gti%2F19556812.jpg&hash=d3ced15871ef695bb33630fb5dc2e9d6c1d2a378)
these are from audi A6... i returned them, and bought right one ( r32 ). :indifferent:
-
Wrong offset, wrong piston size on the caliper, wrong centre bore.
Ditch em mate and get some proper r32 ones, the pedal will be crap with these.
The only common part with these and the R32 setup is the outer part of the caliper, the pad spring and the pads......
Cheers :happy2:
Cheers Dave :notworthy: knew these were to good to be true. Glad I didn't pay much for them :grin:
VALLE - I think mine are off an A6 Quattro. I'll get them on the 'bay, someone will find a use for them :happy2:
-
any scope for a refund Gray? were they advertised as R32 brakes?
-
any scope for a refund Gray? were they advertised as R32 brakes?
Nah not really. Sold as seen :sad1:
They'll be worth a bit on eBay so it's not too bad :happy2: the drilled OEM Audi disks should attract some attention
-
Awww that's a shame, but good luck with the sale, hopefully make enough to get some proper ones :)
-
Sold as seen shouldn't come into it. If they were actually sold as R32 calipers, the onus is on the seller to make sure they are rather than the buyer to spot the difference. If this was on ebay, you'd probably win a dispute case hands down and have your money back quick.
If there were advertised as vw/audi calipers only, then you've not got much of a case. Hope you get it resolved either way ;0
-
Sold as seen shouldn't come into it. If they were actually sold as R32 calipers, the onus is on the seller to make sure they are rather than the buyer to spot the difference. If this was on ebay, you'd probably win a dispute case hands down and have your money back quick.
If there were advertised as vw/audi calipers only, then you've not got much of a case. Hope you get it resolved either way ;0
Thanks JPC didn't do the deal through eBay so got no ties to him. I got them for a very good price so I should be able to get back what I paid for them - actually selling them as what they are.
Gray
-
Good luck with recouping your funds Gray.
Hope that you source a set of 345mm brakes soon - as discussed before, they really are a superb upgrade for the money :happy2:
-
just shame about the weight of them :surprised:
-
just shame about the weight of them :surprised:
you don't worry bout that when you have a soot chucker like me :signLOL: