MK5 Golf GTI

All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Performance Modifications => Topic started by: Mr Savage on July 29, 2012, 11:37:47 am

Title: How badly does a remap affect Clutch & Gearbox wear?
Post by: Mr Savage on July 29, 2012, 11:37:47 am
Hello all,

First of all thanks for all the help with my Sat Nav question, helped me make a decision on that. Now I hope someone can help me here. I have a Golf GT TDI 140 58 plate so mark 5.

I was looking into getting a remap done in the near future but keep getting put off by people who claim it killed their clutch after just a few hundred miles or a couple of thousand at best. Can the stock clutch just not handle it? I'd be looking at hopefully taking it to around 180BHP but I really don't want to destroy anything & shell out loads after due to the remap damaging other components. Anyone running a remap on standard clutch? If I need to upgrade to a more uprated clutch which one would people suggest & how much would I be looking at?

Cheers again guys,

Mr Savage
Title: Re: How badly does a remap affect Clutch & Gearbox wear?
Post by: sub39h on July 29, 2012, 11:40:49 am
it's torque that kills clutches, not power

i'm not familiar with the diesel models but i'd imagine the 140 shouldn't trouble it's clutch even with a remap. most of the clutch failures you'll have heard of on here will likely be remapped Edition 30s
Title: Re: How badly does a remap affect Clutch & Gearbox wear?
Post by: AA on July 29, 2012, 12:20:34 pm
 Girlfriends 140 was remapped at 6000miles,now on 52000 without any problems.
 She doesnt rag the rsea off it and has been nothing but reliable.
Gets a bit of abuse when I drive it :signLOL:
 
Title: Re: How badly does a remap affect Clutch & Gearbox wear?
Post by: Andy on July 29, 2012, 12:26:03 pm
was told the oem clutch can handle a remap ok its when you go hybrid is when you kill it
Title: Re: How badly does a remap affect Clutch & Gearbox wear?
Post by: Mr Savage on July 29, 2012, 12:35:05 pm
This forum is just amazing, always quick replies, cheers guys! Yeah they said it'd be an increase of about 50 torques. Which map did your girlfriend go for mate? I'm guessing they invalidate your warranty. Heard some can be switched back to Stock easily?
Title: Re: How badly does a remap affect Clutch & Gearbox wear?
Post by: RedED30 on July 29, 2012, 01:01:56 pm
Revo can supply you with an SPS (Serial Port Switch) to allow you to switch between your stock map and the Revo map, i'm sure other companies do something similar.
Title: Re: How badly does a remap affect Clutch & Gearbox wear?
Post by: AA on July 29, 2012, 02:06:36 pm
This forum is just amazing, always quick replies, cheers guys! Yeah they said it'd be an increase of about 50 torques. Which map did your girlfriend go for mate? I'm guessing they invalidate your warranty. Heard some can be switched back to Stock easily?
Torque when mapped 317lb/ft. Not concerned about the warranty :signLOL:
The ST3/SPS handheld devices can store and switch between maps.
Title: Re: How badly does a remap affect Clutch & Gearbox wear?
Post by: Mr Savage on July 30, 2012, 02:35:53 am
Cheers guys, £600 for a remap seems extremely expensive when I've been offered the exact same service for £250 though, rolling road & all.
Title: Re: How badly does a remap affect Clutch & Gearbox wear?
Post by: GrayMK5GTI on July 30, 2012, 07:14:04 am
Cheers guys, £600 for a remap seems extremely expensive when I've been offered the exact same service for £250 though, rolling road & all.

Probably best sticking with the ones recommended on the forum (here's  a few):

- PDT (north east) - custom map
- R-tech (midlands) - custom map
- Revo (all over uk)
- superchips (all over uk)

I can personally recommend R-Tech as they will give your car a full diagnostic before and after and will custom map it on the dyno right before your eyes. They are a reasonable price too  :happy2:
Title: Re: How badly does a remap affect Clutch & Gearbox wear?
Post by: danfalcon on July 31, 2012, 07:49:15 pm
i was wondering about this as well, and got a reply to one of my posts by PDT themselves

its quite a basic reply but explains exactly what you need to know

http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,50653.0.html

hope it helps  :smiley:
Title: Re: How badly does a remap affect Clutch & Gearbox wear?
Post by: Neiltdi on July 31, 2012, 08:20:15 pm
Jkm did the map on my tdi they plug in before and after that was on a revo map so cant really go wrong and only £287 +40bhp and +50 torque
Title: Re: How badly does a remap affect Clutch & Gearbox wear?
Post by: GLIDN on August 01, 2012, 04:17:31 am
Otherwise there is APR too.

Full MAP switching between stock and tune all from cruise control. Just need to make sure tune is available for your ECU and motor.
Title: Re: How badly does a remap affect Clutch & Gearbox wear?
Post by: holland15h on August 02, 2012, 04:35:40 pm
There's always shark aswell
Title: Re: How badly does a remap affect Clutch & Gearbox wear?
Post by: J12spk on August 02, 2012, 11:52:09 pm
Thinking of a r tech stage 1 remap on my 1.9 TDI will I get better mpg?????
Title: Re: How badly does a remap affect Clutch & Gearbox wear?
Post by: Mr Savage on August 03, 2012, 02:07:19 am
The main reason I asked is because I don't want to start to go down that terrible endless road of starting with a remap then the clutch needing to be uprated, then the gearbox struggling, then before you know it you've replaced the turbo, brakes and half the car and you're literally throwing money at it until you give up and sell it.  :grin:
Title: Re: How badly does a remap affect Clutch & Gearbox wear?
Post by: stealthwolf on August 03, 2012, 01:16:42 pm
The main reason I asked is because I don't want to start to go down that terrible endless road
Also known as the Slippery Slope. Remember that any performance/handling mod you do may place more stress on other components and highlight weaknesses/failures earlier.
Title: Re: How badly does a remap affect Clutch & Gearbox wear?
Post by: real on August 04, 2012, 01:10:18 am
Apologies if interpreted as a thread high jack but it is essentially the same question but applied to a MkV GTI on 90k miles. I have the urge for more power but am worried about stressing other components considering the mileage.

What do you guys think? Should I just go for a stage 1 and take whatever comes?
Title: Re: How badly does a remap affect Clutch & Gearbox wear?
Post by: GrayMK5GTI on August 04, 2012, 09:50:05 pm
Apologies if interpreted as a thread high jack but it is essentially the same question but applied to a MkV GTI on 90k miles. I have the urge for more power but am worried about stressing other components considering the mileage.

What do you guys think? Should I just go for a stage 1 and take whatever comes?


The only component likely to fail is the clutch - mine slips a bit after a remap sometimes (it still works fine for setting off & driving normally).

An upgrade to the clutch will cost around £700 so bear that in mind :smiley:

There are many GTI's on this forum with stage 2 remaps and turbo upgrades and more than 100k miles on the clock. Providing the car is serviced properly then it should be fine  :happy2:

Graeme