MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Members Rides => Topic started by: Poverty on November 12, 2012, 11:38:49 pm
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Thought maybe I should start a project thread here. Have had her a while now, and its been a very eventful journey so far! Ups and downs, but making progress with where I wanna be with the car, alot sooner than I had planned.
This is my story :signLOL:
It all started in autumn 2010.
All my life I had wanted a UrQuattro or a turbocharged 5 cylinder audi, so when they announced the TTRS my prayers where answered.
So I went ahead and traded in my stage 2 plus, 360hp, 2.0TFSI Cupra K1.
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Great car, loads of fun, practical, cheap to run for the performance, and looked the part for a young man! Loved the car, hated the dealer after support!
I then picked up this beauty, Ibis white, delivery miles, so happy! Dream come true.
First thing I did was to remove the license plate off the front. Looks much better!
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Very nice car, all i can see from them is potential! Wouldnt have had the spoiler but thats just me! Very jelous, looking forward to more!
Nice simple plate mod, hope no 5 0 spot you :scared:
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First mod obviously is a remap.
I got this done by Revo, and it bumped the car up to 400hp on stage 1.
I then added a full turbo back race exhaust from milltek which is a fair bit lighter than the OEM exhaust which weighed in at a massive 35kg.
Stock
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Milltek vs oem
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Stunning engine, that soundtrack is simply awesome....linked with the Quattro drive train (although not a tradition version) with a couple of slight tweaks exhaust, filter, map you have a very capable weapon - kudos to you
I look forward to reading the continuing modding updates
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bout time you got a build thread up pov---awesome car :notworthy:
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Well bugger me, as I typed, you posted .... Congrats :happy2: :notworthy:
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Thanks guys I appreciate the kind words.
Re the license plate, I do have one on show whilst the car is being driven!
Did have a sticker plate on the side of the car, but got some funny looks from traffic police once so that got canned.
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can,t believe the ristriction in the exhaust pipe in the first pic
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Next I looked at the brakes. The OEM pads were very dusty and didnt last long at all.
I bought some brembo blues for the car.
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In hindsight these werent a very good addition as the soon killed the admittely not very good stock rotors.
Next I changed the panel filter.
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I then looked at the intercooler. The stock intercooler is tiny so I fitted a forge motorsport unit. I got it fitted at Forge HQ, got a chance to meet the big boss Peter who is a really nice guy and really enthusiastic about his products which was nice to see.
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can,t believe the ristriction in the exhaust pipe in the first pic
Yeah its quite restrictive, especially with the primary cat right at the inlet. Alot of people have decatted this exhaust and seem to have improved things alot.
It being a two pipe system as standard means its actually got greater flow capacity than a single 3" bore, but you pay for it in weight, and the restricive DP.
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Bet that thing feels amazing to drive now on stage one. Could you imaging 2+? :driver:
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Very, very, very jealous mate. Great mods so far!
Any chassis mods planned?
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Love it!
Want :drool:
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About time too Pov :happy2:
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loads of stuff missing in that post. get back on here and update the thread :wink: :innocent:
Is it still @ APR HQ? Ill be picking mine up the end of this month once im back in the UK, almost single figures now :jumpmove:
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Stunning car. Wish I had your job so I could afford something like this! :grin:
Look forward to seeing this thread progress.
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About time! :P
Keep it coming!
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:happy2:
The ttrs's are a lovely car, great start so far :party:
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Very, very, very jealous mate. Great mods so far!
Any chassis mods planned?
At the moment im thinking coilovers and rear ARB. Really looking forward to when I start on the chassis
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loads of stuff missing in that post. get back on here and update the thread :wink: :innocent:
Is it still @ APR HQ? Ill be picking mine up the end of this month once im back in the UK, almost single figures now :jumpmove:
Ahhh lucky man! Bet you cant wait.
Mines still there, maybe another 2-3 months till mines ready. Not missing her too much atm due to the time of year!
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As above. Keep it coming! Saw one of these at edition this year oh my.
I hate this time of year for cars. No point In having your shiny nice wheels on unless you plan of referbing them! And it's too cold to do anything productive! Anyway, rant over about winter. More drooling over the TTRS!!
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Not being happy with the stock brakes, I turned my attention to the calipers.
I settled on a set of rs4/rs5/r8/gallardo 8 pot calipers married to the stock 370mm discs. This gave a big performance upgrade IMO and greater confidence whilst on the brakes. You can brake really really late now repeatedly and just general throw loads of abuse at the brakes with no real fade.
I chose mintex1155 pads, originally intended as a stop gap till I had funds for the £550 pagid yellows, but Im so impressed by them especially considering their price (£220) that I now stick with the mintex pads.
The stock discs may be 370mm but they are non directional so one side always gets hotter than the other, and had a tendency to warp real easy with the stock 4 pot calipers. With the 8 pots a set of discs now lasts a pad life. They do still warp, just not as easily. I will have to address the rotor issue in the future.
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I also bought some new braided brake lines, castrol SRF brake fluid and I bought mintex 1155 pads. A friend machined the "revo" plate for us so the pads would sit on the oem disc properly.
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They look amazing! Bet it feels good to be able to stop on a penny! :P
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Lovely anchors :party:
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Jase
What did you do with your std calipers?
You fancy selling them?
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Jase
What did you do with your std calipers?
You fancy selling them?
Sold them a while ago! My mate will have his up for sale not too long from now though, i'll keep you in mind when he does :happy2:
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Performance figures revo s2!
1/4 Mile
stock: 12.88 @110mph with passenger, 12.6x without passenger.
stage 2: 12.3 @114mph iirc lost the slip
30-130
Stage 2 in 14.26 secs at marham with just a remap and exhaust.
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Then replaced the stock intercooler hoses for some uprated forge ones. Another great forge product!
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I will take this time to show you guys what we then did to my friends TTRS roadster! Hes stage 2 with a full milltek race exhaust, but we ditched the milltek race backbox for a custom single exit "race can". Basically think of a silencer about the size of one fitted to a race bike! It is loud!
We came across a THS intercooler for free, and we were wondering what we could do with it. So, we decided to cram it behind the roadsters engine bay somehow!
And so this is what we came up with. Removed the air conditioning rad, attempted to remove the A/C pump aswell, but thats required due to the way the belts run on the engine. For it to fit we also had to cut the crash bar.
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Then we painted the intercooler black for the stealth look.
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End results via logging shows that temps are even cooler than my forge, and will peak at a certain temp and not increase anymore, but if you ask me whether its worth massacaring your TTRS for the small gain over the forge unit, I would say no. Therefore the coupe wont be going this route, and it did highlight actually how well the forge unit is actually designed, as the temps differences werent that big!
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Subscirbed
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I fitted some NGK raceplugs. Apologies for the poor pics, where taken with a chavberry and not the iphone.
New vs old
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Full polybush set, albeit not yet fitted.
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Then I decided to ditch the milltek in favour of a scorpion turbo back titanium exhaust.
This exhaust is the most beautiful piece of engineering I have ever got to touch I must say. Work of art!
And the weight saving is awesome too, i could lift the backbox with my two little fingers!
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It turns blue after having got hot!
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I bet that wasnt cheap, judging on all the welding done on it! :scared:
Looks nice tho :happy2:
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love the new brakes ansd the exhaust is a work of art
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Thanks, it wasnt cheap no, but it is cheap when compared to the titanium exhausts prices of other manufacturers. With the amount of labour that goes into their Ti systems, I would say its actually a good price all things considered.
Its welded instead of bent, as bends decrease the diameter of the pipework apparently.
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Thanks, it wasnt cheap no, but it is cheap when compared to the titanium exhausts prices of other manufacturers. With the amount of labour that goes into their Ti systems, I would say its actually a good price all things considered.
Its welded instead of bent, as bends decrease the diameter of the pipework apparently.
If its done correctly and mandrel bent it shouldnt.
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Its welded instead of bent, as bends decrease the diameter of the pipework apparently.
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thought mandrel bendind on the exhaust kept the same diameter :surprised:
beat to it :signLOL:
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Wonder if its different for Ti? I was just told the bends where lasercut and then re-welded, instead of mandrel bent, its because mandrel bends reduce the diameter of the piperwork and add extra friction/resistance
More info on the workmanship from what my friend tells me who has some experience in this sort of thing:
A shop bender will crush the pipe to form that kind of elbow on Ti on the backbox.
With laser machines the cuts will roll to a nigh on perfect diameter, then tack them up and the bend will form very well, in the hands of a skilled sheety.
The welds will be done from the outside only, with a purge gas inside the pipe to stop oxidation and keep the weld pool stable. This also means a single pass, almost 'fuse' weld run that minimises distortion and results in a smooth inner joint surface, plus a luvlly jubbly exterior weld pattern.
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Wonder if its different for Ti? I was just told the bends where lasercut and then re-welded, instead of mandrel bent, its because mandrel bends reduce the diameter of the piperwork and add extra friction/resistance
More info on the workmanship from what my friend tells me who has some experience in this sort of thing:
A shop bender will crush the pipe to form that kind of elbow on Ti on the backbox.
With laser machines the cuts will roll to a nigh on perfect diameter, then tack them up and the bend will form very well, in the hands of a skilled sheety.
The welds will be done from the outside only, with a purge gas inside the pipe to stop oxidation and keep the weld pool stable. This also means a single pass, almost 'fuse' weld run that minimises distortion and results in a smooth inner joint surface, plus a luvlly jubbly exterior weld pattern.
Yeah.. thats what you REALLY dont want, as it almost halves the diameter on a 90degree bend.
What you get with mandrel bending is a variation in the wall thickness of the tubing.
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Im glad you guys know about this stuff as I sure dont :signLOL:
Learnt so many new things as I go along with this project
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Jase
What did you do with your std calipers?
You fancy selling them?
Sold them a while ago! My mate will have his up for sale not too long from now though, i'll keep you in mind when he does :happy2:
Cheers jase.
Tell him he needs to upgrade his sooner rather than later :signLOL:
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Then replaced the stock intercooler hoses for some uprated forge ones. Another great forge product!
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fvv43%2Fpoverty_k1%2F309874_219491354776477_100001468430320_609436_102488982_n.jpg&hash=eff044b22bfc9a745c53859a9120d6cdf85c53d1)
I will take this time to show you guys what we then did to my friends TTRS roadster! Hes stage 2 with a full milltek race exhaust, but we ditched the milltek race backbox for a custom single exit "race can". Basically think of a silencer about the size of one fitted to a race bike! It is loud!
We came across a THS intercooler for free, and we were wondering what we could do with it. So, we decided to cram it behind the roadsters engine bay somehow!
And so this is what we came up with. Removed the air conditioning rad, attempted to remove the A/C pump aswell, but thats required due to the way the belts run on the engine. For it to fit we also had to cut the crash bar.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fvv43%2Fpoverty_k1%2FIMG00180-20110902-1632-1.jpg&hash=79819b7b8b88f76396067d92a42f8e2f9caece59)
Then we painted the intercooler black for the stealth look.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fvv43%2Fpoverty_k1%2Fphoto17.jpg&hash=69d73eb723f6a3ccd6ecc5c066130e1a93051579)
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End results via logging shows that temps are even cooler than my forge, and will peak at a certain temp and not increase anymore, but if you ask me whether its worth massacaring your TTRS for the small gain over the forge unit, I would say no. Therefore the coupe wont be going this route, and it did highlight actually how well the forge unit is actually designed, as the temps differences werent that big!
Brian @ BNAutoteknik DK did this with a THS on Mulen's car 3 years ago :smiley:
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Yeah that's where we got the idea from. The promise of intake temps only 6 degrees above ambient never materialised though. We can't get the temps over 44 degrees though, whilst my forge will sit about 10-12 degrees higher than that on the same run. Personally I wish we never did the mod now. Will probably swap it out for a forge race intercooler as not having a crash bar is just stupid IMO
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The Scorpion looks like a lovely bit of kit. Need to get saving!
Am I right in thinking that you are going balls out stage 3 with this Pov?
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Yeah it's going to be a stage 4 car when finished. If I have the time tonight I'll post up about those bits.
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Same sort of spec as Jonny's then? Should be hilarious! Look forward to the updates!
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Lets hope that you get that crach bar back on it :scared:
Looks good tho :happy2: cant wait to see it stage 4 :driver:
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Yeah there were a few differences between our builds to begin with mainly in regards to the cylinder head but jonny is updating his so we will both be running the same spec. His car will be about 200kg lighter than mine when finished though, he's one crazy guy lol
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i want a passanger ride once this is done!
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Subscribed!
Glad to see this finally in a Readers Ride thread mate, great work! :happy2:
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Some more exhaust porn. Gotta give massive props to Forge Motorsport/scorpion exhaust for making a Ti exhaust for the TTRS! Aero Space Grade 1 Titanium with 1mm thickness!
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At this point I decided that I would move away from Revo software, and paid a visit to APR.
They wrote a stage 2 map for the car, I was hoping for great things after having tested their new 2.0TFSI software and I wasnt dissapointed. The power holding that the map provided at high rpm map was just crazy. Its pulls and pulls all the way to the redline. The way the power doesnt drop off and it keeps on just pulling leaves you smiling from ear to ear.
Now after the forge intercooler was installed, the car was dynoed at 420hp at revo stage 2 and about 400lbft of torque, I cant remember the exact figure.
I decided I wanted to dyno this new map to see what the car was making now.
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The APR map gave me a nice gain, 430hp and 450lbft! The power curve is just beautiful aswell!
So now we are at 430hp and just about reaching the limits of the stock turbo with the limited size intercooler and no WMI.
However, still hungry for greater power, so on I plod.
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Performance Vbox figures now
Some vbox gps data from stage 2.
0-60mph in 3.4 secs. 30-60mph in 1.9 secs. 0-100mph in 8.4 secs.
30-130 time is 12.x something seconds irrc.
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The ttrs is one of the few cars that really gets my attention. its good to see a few are getting properly played with :happy2:
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The ttrs is one of the few cars that really gets my attention. its good to see a few are getting properly played with :happy2:
Thanks, always wanted to do a BT conversion on something, and I think the TTRS fits the bill perfectely.
Anyway earlier this year I was at the pod, was struggling all day trying to get the gear into third on every run, as was shown in the results of all my runs being slower than stock at times. One run too many as I attempted my usual ninja shifting into third, but selected 1st gear instead :scared: :scared: :scared:
Quick scan with vagcom showed the engine revved to 8800rpm, the engine still ran, but didnt sound too healthy. So off it got towed to nearby APR in milton keynes.
It was a weird feeling having just broke your engine. I took it better than I thought I would, albeit all I was thinking at the time was of the possibility of a 15k bill for a new motor. :scared:
The car sat at APR for a while as I was away on holiday, which gave me 2 weeks to think about which steps I wanted to take next, and gave APR a chance to strip down the engine to see what damage there was.
Turns out a few of the valves kissed 2-3 pistons, but other than that the motor was fine, so about 1-1.5k to put right. However as I had ambitions for big power and the engine being out already I decided that I might aswell build the engine.
Engines out!
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So after asking around for recommended engine builders I chose Race Developments to spec and build the engine. These are the guys who built the skoda bonneville record holding 700hp 2.0TSI, time attack evo cars and race engines for british superbike racers to name a few.
And so the engine build begins!
How it looked partially stripped down
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And some progress pics.
Stripped down head
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Port moulds and the ferrea valevtrain
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]Rings gapped, parts balanced, ready for assembly. High temp, low friction thermal coating.
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Old VS new
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The cylinder head getting race developments renowned expertise applied to it
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Superfinished Crank
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Attention was then turned to the gearbox.
More isotropic superfinishing treatment.
What is superfinishing?
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Isotropic Superfinishing increases horsepower by reducing friction in the engine, gearbox and drive train components. Testing has shown this process increases the functional life of motor and gearbox components by an amazing 300%!
Isotropic Superfinishing is not a coating, polish, oil treatment or additive of any sort. This technology is dyno tested and track proven. It gives the added advantage every competitor is looking for. It is effective on all metal components involved in the production and delivery of horsepower.
Manufacturing cannot make a perfectly smooth surface. All new surfaces, even when coated, have surface asperities (micro peaks). When metal cutting begins, these asperities are producing friction and affecting the life and performance of the product. In a closed system, as metal components mate and shear, every component in the oil/coolant stream is exposed to these particles carried in the lubricating fluid.
Isotropic Superfinishing creates a surface with low surface roughness (skew). Bearing properties improve, heat from friction is reduced and engine/gearbox life is extended. Most importantly, performance is improved! It is used extensively in F1!
Gearbox internals before:
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Internals after
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This car jut keeps getting better and better!
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Jason this is Sweeeeeeeet!!
Loving it, what comp ratio and who's pistons are you going for & rods etc? I Had a lengthy conversation with Aaron @ Arrow yesterday regards specs and we're probably going to run custom in our two, only a wee bit more expensive but a long 5 weeks wait :sad1:
Did you have any of the parts Cryo treated or was it part of the super finishing anyway?
BTW I was on V max face book last night there's a Porka 9E's just built & its just run 213mph @ Brunters on road fuel!!! :sick: looks like we all got our work cut out for next year! Hah !
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looking good Pov. You still on stock rotors??
@steve
Longer final drive on the golf!
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It's custom JE pistons and IE rods. I don't have the final compression ratio to hand, but during the spec o the build it was decided to keep the CR as close to stock as possible. What features are you going for on your pistons?
Cyro was talked about but I dont think it was specced in the end.
213mph that's just mad. I'll leave you and the brabus to try and beat that. My car will just about do over 200mph thanks to a raised limiter! Should get there bloody quick though mind!
Still on stock rotors Dave, only a matter of time till I order a upgrade with you. Need to get the car back on the road first and then I will set about on sorting the brakes and chassis!
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Regards the 997t I've got loads floating around in my head at the minute, I know I can't compete for top speed with the big boys unless I build it 4 litre and run at least 30-76's then we'll see 200mph minimum in the standing mile at around 20 seconds with close to 220mph V max wheel diam dependent but at the cost of making the car not to nice to drive day to day, suppose I could always have two engines and swap em over when we V-max :signLOL: (& yes I have actually thought seriously about that but don't tell the missis! :innocent:).
The thing is we're trying hard to make a good all-round powerful but traffic friendly car, I'm concentrating right now on trying to break 100 in under 6 seconds but its hard as it only does 99.6mph GPS in third at 7250rpm so we've got to go to fourth to get past 100mph and I dare not rev it any harder as a stock motor!!
But with the help of this lot :laugh:
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And this lot :laugh:
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We should be able to do some damage with a higher rev limit and more boost
Back to the tfsi's we're going to run both at lower comp than stock but not by a mile, both will have WON kits fitted as they are pure sprint not road cars
We've gone for Loba spec Mahle Pistons with Arrow custom rods and custom rod bolts
Piston coating specs are a little secret but for a brief run down:
Coated bearing surfaces (piston sleeves) for better running-in characteristics and reserves under maximum load and deficient lubrication e.g. cold starting, washed off lubricating film in case of failure of the spark plug, Moreover, our coating allows less piston to bore clearance despite the pistons complex shape reducing engine noise.
We've had problems with JE's knocking in the past (slap) and triggering the knock sensors early but that was a good few years ago maybe they are a lot better now.
My main problem now is all the projects going off at once plus normal day to day stuff ! Its making my head hurt :stupid:-
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if things are getting manic, im willing to take either the golf or the Porka off your hands.
Purely to allow you to concentrate on the time attack cars :innocent:
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Tell you what Si I was looking through some 2012 TA season footage a few days ago, and I'm well excited tbh I can't wait :party:
All the competitors seem pretty nice and friendy too, suppose we'll find out soon if they really are!
I know we'll get our arses handed to us for a while but we'll learn & Its something I want my little boy to take an interest in too,
I remember when my old man raced F1 boats back in the early eighties I was only little then but I remember the noises of the engines and the smell of the race fuels they used (they used to call it dope!! hah!!) :signLOL:
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Build that 997TT and rev it to 8k :driver:
Have you any 100-200kmh data for the porsche at all? Id imagine the 30-130 times must be in the 8's. Would have been a 9 sec car at marham if it wasnt for the rain imo.
We had a discussion about JE pistons on my vagtuning forum in regards to piston slap but we dont think we should have a problem here. Jonny has custom CP pistons for his but they proved to be a nightmare for Race developments in term of finish design and required some altering before fitting from RD.
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Engine Spec:-
Full race engine build
Balanced and blueprinted
Superfinished crankshaft
Gasflowed race spec cylinder head with valve seat modifications
Bore block
I-beam Rods
Custom oversized pistons, high temp low friction coating
Full Ferrea valvetrain
ARP bolts
Gearbox:-
Fully superfinished gearbox internals
SMF circa 5.5kg (oem 13.5kg)
Twin plate clutch
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BT Time :laugh:
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:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
WOW !
:party: This is something else :party:
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Build that 997TT and rev it to 8k :driver:
Have you any 100-200kmh data for the porsche at all? Id imagine the 30-130 times must be in the 8's. Would have been a 9 sec car at marham if it wasnt for the rain imo.
We had a discussion about JE pistons on my vagtuning forum in regards to piston slap but we dont think we should have a problem here. Jonny has custom CP pistons for his but they proved to be a nightmare for Race developments in term of finish design and required some altering before fitting from RD.
I've not run the 997 100-200k yet but have done the 0-60 (3.2 with lots of wheel spin) 0-100 (6.2) 30-130 (9.2) on a road fuel, safe map, the ignition is quite mild and the lambda in the high 7's with EGT's sat stable at 800 degrees at wot (205mph) so with the C16 we can run a more aggressive ignition but leaner map basically there is room for around 60-80 whp just from using the same hardware
I'll try to build the engine on the 997 just before or after Xmas, I can post some pics up if your interested, probably going to use evoms head studs vs the ARP's now with hellfire gaskets as evoms have improved the studs no end to withstand just about anything you throw at them, I love the Porsche stuff and about 70% of our bulk day to day work is Porsche but when I think with my head instead of my heart, I don't think chasing the big top end mph numbers is going to grow my business much, we'll work on in gear times and drivability I'd guess 210 GPS is a good speed to top out at :laugh:
Your build is going to be Awesome Jason, I'm very impressed can't wait to see it run next year! I will want a ride in that!
I hope I can get the Golf RS running ok for Marham will you have yours built by then?
All the parts in your build look superb quality :happy2:
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What size turbo is that, Jas? 3071?
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Build that 997TT and rev it to 8k :driver:
Have you any 100-200kmh data for the porsche at all? Id imagine the 30-130 times must be in the 8's. Would have been a 9 sec car at marham if it wasnt for the rain imo.
We had a discussion about JE pistons on my vagtuning forum in regards to piston slap but we dont think we should have a problem here. Jonny has custom CP pistons for his but they proved to be a nightmare for Race developments in term of finish design and required some altering before fitting from RD.
I've not run the 997 100-200k yet but have done the 0-60 (3.2 with lots of wheel spin) 0-100 (6.2) 30-130 (9.2) on a road fuel, safe map, the ignition is quite mild and the lambda in the high 7's with EGT's sat stable at 800 degrees at wot (205mph) so with the C16 we can run a more aggressive ignition but leaner map basically there is room for around 60-80 whp just from using the same hardware
I'll try to build the engine on the 997 just before or after Xmas, I can post some pics up if your interested, probably going to use evoms head studs vs the ARP's now with hellfire gaskets as evoms have improved the studs no end to withstand just about anything you throw at them, I love the Porsche stuff and about 70% of our bulk day to day work is Porsche but when I think with my head instead of my heart, I don't think chasing the big top end mph numbers is going to grow my business much, we'll work on in gear times and drivability I'd guess 210 GPS is a good speed to top out at :laugh:
Your build is going to be Awesome Jason, I'm very impressed can't wait to see it run next year! I will want a ride in that!
I hope I can get the Golf RS running ok for Marham will you have yours built by then?
All the parts in your build look superb quality :happy2:
Yeah thats one aspect of my build thats always in the back of my mind. Dont wanna make it too silly that it ruins everyday driving.
I think driveability and response is deffo where its at for most people with porsche cars, well heck any car tbh. We will have to do some passenger rides for sure, wanna feel that porka pin me back hard! The aim is to have it all ready for march,but you know what its like with development work, it could always run over!
What size turbo is that, Jas? 3071?
3076 :happy2:
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Ive made some extra progress on the weight saving. These recaros are 13kg with sidemounts and runners. The OEM seats are about 34kg, so a saving of 21kg per seat.
The titanium exhaust saves 26kg over OEM.
So thats a 68kg saving so far. I have a few more weight saving ideas in my head, so should be able to reduce the weight by about 100kg over stock. Will make the car weigh roughly 1360kg with a quarter tank.
At last weigh in the car weighed 1453kg with a quarter tank and milltek exhaust. So with these bits not a millions miles off the target weight.
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Just shed the gut, you fat crap :p
Theres a good 20kg :p
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Just curious but what's the expected power/torque figures from this beast? :smiley:
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Going on the limitations of the turbo, with supporting mods, if it had cams and head work ect... 560bhp tops as a max guess .....
.....what are you hoping for poverty ?
Loving the build so far, kudos to you :drinking:
Gonna be a great drive once its back together :driver: :happy2:
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With the stage 3 turbo kit the aim is 600hp from what I've been told. Some argue the turbo can't flow that much, but APR have their own theories. We will soon see. Once stage 3 is wrapped up and signed off stage 4 will come next.
650hp/650lbft is my final aim on vpower.
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With the stage 3 turbo kit the aim is 600hp from what I've been told. Some argue the turbo can't flow that much, but APR have their own theories. We will soon see. Once stage 3 is wrapped up and signed off stage 4 will come next.
650hp/650lbft is my final aim on vpower.
I've seen them flow that kinda power before, on the 4g63 2.0 Evo lump, they will do that no probs - the only area that becomes questionable is the longevity of the turbo unit itself at those boost levels.
Things like shaft speed and charge temp created by the additional frictions come into play
Like I said, great build - looking forward to seeing this thing fly :smiley:
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With the stage 3 turbo kit the aim is 600hp from what I've been told. Some argue the turbo can't flow that much, but APR have their own theories. We will soon see. Once stage 3 is wrapped up and signed off stage 4 will come next.
650hp/650lbft is my final aim on vpower.
I've seen them flow that kinda power before, on the 4g63 2.0 Evo lump, they will do that no probs - the only area that becomes questionable is the longevity of the turbo unit itself at those boost levels.
Things like shaft speed and charge temp created by the additional frictions come into play
Like I said, great build - looking forward to seeing this thing fly :smiley:
Turbo longevity not too much of a concern to me! Will be interesting to see how it drives with the gtx3076, I reckon its got enough motor to push a gtx35 without affecting driveability too much, but am really after a nice balance of response and power.
650hp and 1350kg should be bloody quick either way. Gives a power to weight of 480hp per tonne which is the same as a Ferrari Enzo.
Bought some H&R arbs from alex @ AKS tuning, now pondering the new forge race intercooler.
We will be fitting one to the roadster ASAP hence why Ive now got a THS listed in the for sale section!
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Turbo longevity not too much of a concern to me! Will be interesting to see how it drives with the gtx3076, I reckon its got enough motor to push a gtx35 without affecting driveability too much, but am really after a nice balance of response and power.
650hp and 1350kg should be bloody quick either way. Gives a power to weight of 480hp per tonne which is the same as a Ferrari Enzo.
Bought some H&R arbs from alex @ AKS tuning, now pondering the new forge race intercooler.
We will be fitting one to the roadster ASAP hence why Ive now got a THS listed in the for sale section!
The one thing that I noticed, the compressor housing doesn't have the anti-surge ports ?
Does that unit not suffer at all ith any for of compressor surge ?
A well spec'd GT35 on the right engine (exhaust gas flow) can be useable - depends on the rebrand you want the power at
Personally I'd stick Witt he 3076 with 600 ponies, makes for a better all rounder and the power band is archived allot sooner making the car alittle more all round drivable.
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Im not sure TBH, this sorta stuff is all new to me so Im learning as I go along. Its still all in the development phase anyhow.
I know that my engine builder doesnt even run a dump valve on his evo, makes it super responsive, compressor surge doesnt seem to be giving him issues, but hes got so many trcik bits on his.
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Im not sure TBH, this sorta stuff is all new to me so Im learning as I go along. Its still all in the development phase anyhow.
I know that my engine builder doesnt even run a dump valve on his evo, makes it super responsive, compressor surge doesnt seem to be giving him issues, but hes got so many trcik bits on his.
Fair enough, keep the updates coming, like I said before, I'm loving your work so far
Who's your engine builder ?
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Im not sure TBH, this sorta stuff is all new to me so Im learning as I go along. Its still all in the development phase anyhow.
I know that my engine builder doesnt even run a dump valve on his evo, makes it super responsive, compressor surge doesnt seem to be giving him issues, but hes got so many trcik bits on his.
Fair enough, keep the updates coming, like I said before, I'm loving your work so far
Who's your engine builder ?
Thanks, its Tim Radley from racedevelopments. His car sounds like a bike!
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If tims building your engine your in bloody good hands! A well known face on the Mitsubishi lancer register!
And that evos now being split I believe, and fast spooling 700bhp+ right there! :party:
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Tim did the land speed bonneville car as well.
Looking good Jase
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If tims building your engine your in bloody good hands! A well known face on the Mitsubishi lancer register!
And that evos now being split I believe, and fast spooling 700bhp+ right there! :party:
£22,500 gets you an 800bhp Evo 9!
http://www.lancerregister.com/showthread.php?t=425201&highlight=tim+radley
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Evos gone, but Racedevelopments have just put down a deposit on their next project.
Their new build is honestly going to be EPIC!!! Build of 2013 mark my words.
As for the little TT, ive bought myself some xmas presents.
H&R Arbs from AKS Tuning, and a double din kenwood headunit to replace the crappy single din.
Slowly getting all the bits together to get closer to completion.
Found these earlier
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Looking good Pov :happy2:
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Thanks dude.
Possible change of plans turbo wise. Makes things even more exciting thats for sure :laugh:
In the meantime, I bought myself a xmas pressie for the car.
Its about time I ditch the concert headunit
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looks mint , those kenwoods are great head units
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The turbokit has landed!
Hello GTX35 :jumping:
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That's looks a neat and tidy well turned out piece of kit
Looking forward to seeing the results :happy2: :smiley:
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I thought APR's new kit was a GTX3076 or 71?
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The original development kit used a 3071. But that was a little too small and boost was falling off high rpm. 1.7 bar at 7400rpm.
APR redesigned the kit, fully v-band, ext.gate, and I believe the production stage 3 kit will be using the 3076, but nothing confirmed as still in development.
Im getting the chance to test out a 35 as the motors fully built, and will be a interesting comparo to the 3076 in terms of spool and response.
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looks good mate :happy2: would love to see what it is like on the road
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The original development kit used a 3071. But that was a little too small and boost was falling off high rpm. 1.7 bar at 7400rpm.
APR redesigned the kit, fully v-band, ext.gate, and I believe the production stage 3 kit will be using the 3076, but nothing confirmed as still in development.
Im getting the chance to test out a 35 as the motors fully built, and will be a interesting comparo to the 3076 in terms of spool and response.
This sounds like an excellent idea Pov :happy2:
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Jason will this be ready for the 30-130 or no chance?
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It might be, if not I'll be coming in the roadster
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just read the whole thread, nice work! Bet this thing flies! :driver:
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Hopefully soon it will. Not too much longer to go now.
Some more pics. The turbo is bigger than my mates meatball head lol.
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Can't wait see some video's of this in action once it's up and running.
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That makes two of us! Got 30-130 booked so should give me the opportunity to make some vids
Now, get the tissues ready
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oh wow! It's like a barn door!
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Looks heavy, that will slow you right down that. :laugh: :drool:
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awesome build
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Fxxxing Nora! That's one big blower there Pov. :drool:
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Haha thanks, so excited about it all.
APR are just finishing off a GTX3071R TTRS, then they are building jonnys after, and then comes mine :jumpmove:
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That looks like it's come off some truck.
Enjoy it when it's fitted, it should be mega.
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Holy noodle baskets batman! This one hell of a blog, been sat here drooling through the whole read :congrats: :congrats: :congrats: amazing mate. Cant wait to see the end results and of course we're all expecting videos!!! :popcornsoda:
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That makes two of us! Got 30-130 booked so should give me the opportunity to make some vids
Now, get the tissues ready
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:surprised: :surprised: :surprised:
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Wow ,work of art right there :)
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Thanks guys, if all goes to plan, the car will be getting built sometime next week.
In the mean time ive bought a bigger intercooler. This is the forge race version, so bigger than their sport, and this time in black to go with the stealth look. Forge say they gained 50hp from these new intercooler over their sport version on the TTShops hybrid ttrs.
A friend of mine also on a hybrid turbo tuned by gained 40hp from fitting this intercooler and new mapping, so it only made sense for me to upgrade, and possibly I wont need to run WMI now
Heres the findings of my mate Alex on his car.
Results in from new Forge race intercooler on my TTRS
Got back yesterday after a long day at MRC, as some of you know I was having trouble with intake temps.
Starting both runs with a soild intake temp of 10C we saw that the stock cooler was going +65c so upto max 75c. With the forge race we were seeing the intake rise + 10c to + 15c so max 30c.
Very happy with it, nice piece of kit, well made.
Blue = stock cooler
Black = Forge race
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Very nice I was shown some of the turbo and manifold parts at APR earlier in the week and they look to be very nice, well made bits of kit.
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Sweeeeeeet!
Not long to wait now then :happy2:
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looks good :notworthy:
does the engine need any sort of rebuild?
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looks good :notworthy:
does the engine need any sort of rebuild?
Have you read the rest of the thread James? :laugh:
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looks good :notworthy:
does the engine need any sort of rebuild?
Have you read the rest of the thread James? :laugh:
lol no.... on it.
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Fantasic read :notworthy:
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Dear Helix, I have waited patiently for a year for you guys to develop this clutch. Now that it is finally ready, I have placed my order, but again the promised 2-4 days for delivery has long gone by. Please hurry, I just want my car back now :sad1:
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I'm still waiting for mine. Looks great though.
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I'm still waiting for mine. Looks great though.
One that's going to stop destroying Master cylinders?
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Such an impressive build!
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So, erm, the clutch has finally arrived.
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Helix yes?
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EPic Build Thread
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Helix yes?
Yeah
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Very nice :congrats:
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UPDATE:
Decided on some hardware changes.
The turbokit got removed and sent off for a special coating.
APR released their own intercooler which has the biggest frontal area off all TTRS intercoolers so I have ordered one of those aswell.
And finally, a carbon carbon clutch is being developed so Im going to upgrade to that when its released also.
Will the car be ready for 30-130 in 7 days time, I dont know :( :sad1:
Specs of the APR intercooler:
Product Page (http://"http://www.goapr.com/products/intercooler_25tfsi_ttrs.html")
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The APR Intercooler System dramatically lowers charge air temperature and resists heat soak far better the TT RS’s factory intercooler system. Through a massively increased frontal surface area, superior intercooler core design and smooth, cast end tanks, APR’s engineers were able to create an intercooler capable of supporting power levels well beyond that of the factory unit. Expect increased horsepower and torque and dramatically prolonged performance.
- Dramatically lowers intake air temperature
- Increases horesepower and torque while prolonging performance
- APR intercooler core dimensions: 3.00" x 12.70" x 22.25"
- OEM intercooler core dimensions 3.19" x 6.38x" x 21.75"
- 104% more frontal area and 92% larger core compared to stock
- Pressure tested for leak proof operation
- Smooth cast alumnium end tanks
- CNC machined hose connection points
- Integrated light weight support brace, horn and sensor brackets
- Stealthy black coating does not alter thermal effectiveness
- Full install directions and APR's world-renowned customer support
- Lifetime warranty
Intercooler Ambient Air Fins
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Each unit uses a high quality, bar and plate core with staggered and louvered fins. The Intercooler’s exceptionally tall design and fin structure exposes the core to a greater volume of airflow than possible with the factory or similar aftermarket short and thick core designs. With more of the intercooler directly exposed to the elements, cooling effectiveness dramatically increases.
Intercooler Charge Air Fins
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Internally, the APR Intercooler System features a staggered and louvered fin design with a core density chosen as a balance between cooling effectiveness and pressure drop. Due to the core’s massive volume, the balance was easily adjusted to favor minimal pressure drop while still providing superior effectiveness compared stock and similar to stock designs.
Intercooler Rear with Support Brace installed
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The intercooler’s maximum size and frontal area is directly related to packaging constraints found at the front end of the vehicle. Intercooler units located in the factory location are design limited resulting in increased volume primarily through expanding the depth of the system. Unfortunately increasing depth only slightly increases the intercoolers effectiveness compared to increased frontal surface area. APR’s Intercooler System includes a reengineered front-end support brace constructed from billet aluminum to maximize packaging constraints. The low profile support brace resides near the factory location and no longer blocks the intercooler from front-end airflow. The bar’s inner design features a weight saving grid, which also aids in airflow through the core.
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The intercooler core and brace are both black to remain stealthy behind the TT RS’s massive grille. The black chip and corrosion resistant coating does not alter the thermal effectiveness of the intercooler core. During testing APR’s Engineers were unable to measure a difference in temperature between the coated and non-coated system during both dyno and road tests. This was further backed up with matching dyno performance between coated and uncoated systems equaling each other.
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More Photos : Click to Enlarge
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Testing Data - Dyno
The Test below demonstrates the intercoolers ability to cool intake air temperature even under brutal conditions. Six back-to-back pulls were preformed with absolutely no cool down between runs. The APR Intercooler’s first run was conducted in slightly worse conditions than the stock intercooler, but it was able to keep the intake air temperature at redline lower than stock even after the sixth back to back pull! The dramatic rise in temperature from the stock intercooler cost the TT RS valuable horsepower on the dyno and averaged over 25 HP less than the APR unit across the six runs.
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Testing Data - Street
APR’s Engineers set out to further prove each Intercooler’s effectiveness by testing in real world conditions on the street. Four back-to-back 20-130 mph pulls were conducted with both the factory and APR intercooler unit while various data points were collected with APR’s ECU Explorer data logging suite. While APR’s Engineers made every effort to keep starting temps identical between the two intercoolers, unfortunately conditions worsened while testing the APR unit as ambient temperature increased.
The rise in temperature was still no match for the APR intercooler unit. Pull after pull, the intercooler was able to cool charge air temperature below the actual starting temperature! The stock intercooler unfortunately experienced a rapid temperature increase and on average ran 14C higher than the starting temperature. The intake air temperature results collected on the street mimicked that of the data collected on the dyno further backing the power associated with each unit.
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ive having to cancel my 30-130 run been unwell for a few weeks now so seeking medical attention so not really driving a great deal at the moment :confused:
Hope its ready for next weekend dude
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been a while now Jase. Saving grace is that there shouldn't be any hard/soft ware issues when it's in service. I think APR are pretty thorough like that.
10/10 for patience though mate.
If you've got any budget left for stoppers and you're on 19s drop me a PM when you're nearer ready ....got some stuff in the pipeline that may appeal.
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been a while now Jase. Saving grace is that there shouldn't be any hard/soft ware issues when it's in service. I think APR are pretty thorough like that.
10/10 for patience though mate.
If you've got any budget left for stoppers and you're on 19s drop me a PM when you're nearer ready ....got some stuff in the pipeline that may appeal.
Will do daveb, deffo gonna need to upgrade from those OEM discs now, its been on my to do list for a while now.
ive having to cancel my 30-130 run been unwell for a few weeks now so seeking medical attention so not really driving a great deal at the moment :confused:
Hope its ready for next weekend dude
Sorry to hear that Andrew hopefully nothing too serious!
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So the car is being built and I've been told helix actually sent a 2.0tsi clutch instead of the TTRS one. Still cost me like 1800 pounds though. Hopefully the issue can be rectified quickly and it won't hold the car up. The trials and tribulations of big builds :sad1:
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Are they only working on this car as and when you have the money for the next stage of the build Pov?. this has to be the longest wait i have ever seen for a modern car. Hasnt it been over two years since it went pop!. :chicken:
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It's taken so long because APR are perfectionist and aren't releasing the kit till they are 100% happy, the kit itself has gone through a few revisions and design changes which has held the whole process up. Their marketing department are just finalising things now for release so I finally can get it fitted on the car.
Currently mine, jonnyc's and 2 others are getting the final version fitted as we speak. Then there's plans to hit brunters for numbers.
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So, erm, the clutch has finally arrived.
So the car is being built and I've been told helix actually sent a 2.0tsi clutch instead of the TTRS one. Still cost me like 1800 pounds though. Hopefully the issue can be rectified quickly and it won't hold the car up. The trials and tribulations of big builds :sad1:
Is this the clutch that APR have had since May :surprised:
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So, erm, the clutch has finally arrived.
So the car is being built and I've been told helix actually sent a 2.0tsi clutch instead of the TTRS one. Still cost me like 1800 pounds though. Hopefully the issue can be rectified quickly and it won't hold the car up. The trials and tribulations of big builds :sad1:
Is this the clutch that APR have had since May :surprised:
Yeah, I suppose they never had a reason to open the box until now, or perhaps it wasn't obvious it was the wrong clutch till it was time to fit it.
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Lovely car Poverty, one hell of a build, I can't wait to see the results when it running.
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UPDATE:
Ive had the car back for a while now, but been too busy enjoying it in all my spare time. Its 97 percent complete I have been busy running in the engine motorsport style and generally getting used to it. It requires one last visit for the VWR air intake to be fitted and a general final nut and bolts check, including the loading of the final map.
We did have some valvetrain issues along the way, so ive gone back to stock audi valves and springs. Therefore technically APR consider the car to be stage 3 plus and not full blown stage 4. Valvetrain is something I might revist in the future once I have the time and money to get more development work done.
So the car hasnt been dynoed, but we know roughly what power the car is making from the data logs. Its a solid 650hp 650lbft car for sure, some reckon it could even be knocking on the door of 700hp. Whatever it is, its fast, and trying to put the power down when its cold and wet is a hard task. Ive had the car spinning its wheels in 4th, and even with ESP fully on ive had a one or two fishtail occasions where the car tries to throw you off the road just going WOT in a straight line. Needless to say I keep ESP fully on in these conditions. I tried it in ESP sport once, where the TC isnt as nannying, and even a slight application of the throttle in the boost range would mean sideway action.
So before at stage 2, where you would jump in the car in pretty much any weather condition and turn the ESP into sport or OFF was possible, now it no longer is if you want to do WOT applications.
So onto how it drives. Around town, just cruising, its pretty much like OEM, if we disregard the all round stiffer engine mounts I opted for and the SMF twin plate clutch as they are obviously noisier than OEM. I think most stage 3 customers only fit the lower gearbox mount, but I wanted the whole works.
The car feels more solid and communicative because of the mounts, blip the throttle and the revs fly up in the blink of an eye due to the lighter flywheel, and you get a racecar-ish "thrum" into the cabin.
The clutch took me a day or two to get used to, but it appears the more mileage I put on the car, the more OEM it gets. You do notice the weight of the race clutch if you keep it dipped in traffic, so you soon stop doing that and make use of neutral and the handbrake instead.
MPG is in the low 40's now on the motorway at a steady 70mph. One WOT scenario will drag the average right down though. It drinks when you put your foot down. Around town Id say its around the same as with a stock turbo.
Now how does it drive like in anger? Well it kicks, really really kicks hard. The car is responsive and the spool is quick, boost doesnt really build gradually like most big turbo cars ive experienced, it well just kicks in, and the ass end squats throwing you into the back of the seat. The throw into the seat back action is so intense, that once you come off boost you and your passenger will notice that the seatbelt has tightned around your body. People who are generally known to be good passengers, turn into not so good passengers, myself included.
The car pulls hard from 3k rpm all the way to the limiter, its relentless and it doesnt die off. Spool on my motor comes in like 700rpm earlier than that of stage 3 cars without the engine work. This is down to the work of racedevelopments, and I'll post more about that at another time in greater detail.
So all in all, very happy, the car has exceeded expectations, and the fact that its quicker in the 100-200km/h dash than a aventador, macca f1, pagani zonda F (with jonnyc behind the wheel) well thats just a bonus.
I'll carry on posting, about what the car is like to live with day to day, as people never really post about that side of things, so maybe it will be of interest to some people, who have flirted with the idea of a BT but have been unsure for whatever reason to see how others are getting on.
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Can't wait to finally see it running in the flesh
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Good write-up Pov and glad to see you are finally enjoying the car. :happy2:
Still need that shotgun ride. :driver:
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Holy crap matey, really glad your finally out enjoying the beast! Sounds totally mind blowing, very very jealous! :happy2:
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Hopefully I will have the car back with me next week sometime after the latest round of upgrades. The car should be getting dyno'd also so should have some final figures along with its new lower look (performance low, not stance low).
Should be good fun being able to push the car fully now that the run in process has been completed and the chassis has been upgraded to match.
All I will have left to do then is upgrade the brake setup, haldex controller, and a wavetrac diff and technically the car would be "finished" but I already have some extra thoughts in the back of my head, but first things first and thats getting the car ready to do alot of driving in this summer.
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I totally missed this build before...would love to see some finished pics!
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:happy2:
In for performance stats and pics Pov :party:
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Gonna have to borrow a v-box and a gopro :driver:
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Looking forward to the figures :party:.
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Epic build this, looking forward to follow the progres
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Bilsteins!
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Any vids of this the way it's running now? I want it :drool:
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Bought a gopro just need to make some vids now and write another update. Just not had the time been too occupied driving the car.
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Don't blame ya mate. Looking forward to the vids :happy2:
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What's white, has 4 rings, 5 cylinders, and beats gallardo lp570-4 performante for fun?
Oh that would be my TTRS! :driver:
600hp GTR's, don't bother either :laugh:
Now just need to pull another 50kgs of weight out of the car now.
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:love:Get that go pro set up. I want some vids! :happy2:
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Well done mate. Pure monster of a car. You need some 1/4 mile strip action Pov. :driver:
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we need some pics Pov :worthless:
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Don't blow it up this time :signLOL:
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Well done mate. Pure monster of a car. You need some 1/4 mile strip action Pov. :driver:
I'm scared of the strip, jonny did his driveshaft in on his first attempt, and I just had new driveshafts too, and they were not cheap :sick:
I will probably end up down the pod at some point and just roll off the line.
In the meantime I'll look for pagani's to race on the m25 :signLOL:
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:love:Get that go pro set up. I want some vids! :happy2:
I still haven't used the gopro,really need to get round to it. Might have to wait till my ring trip as then I can make some meaningful vids.
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:love:Get that go pro set up. I want some vids! :happy2:
I still haven't used the gopro,really need to get round to it. Might have to wait till my ring trip as then I can make some meaningful vids.
Sounds good, a nurburgring trip in that :drool:. Have you ever even come up against anything that has a fighting chance rolling? Lol
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:love:Get that go pro set up. I want some vids! :happy2:
I still haven't used the gopro,really need to get round to it. Might have to wait till my ring trip as then I can make some meaningful vids.
Sounds good, a nurburgring trip in that :drool:. Have you ever even come up against anything that has a fighting chance rolling? Lol
Well the 600hp GTR was sorta keeping up till 4th gear thanks to it being a double clutch car, but other than that so far only my mates fully built & cammed 2.2 Evo 9 with a HTA3582 has kept me honest, the cars are pretty neck and neck, as long as the race starts in his power band window.
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Look, just come down to Sheffield and give me a passenger ride Pov. :party: :signLOL:
Heard anything of the 30-130?
Last I heard it could be June, but nothing solid. :confused:
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Then make your way up Middlesbrough and give me a ride :happy2:
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Any Vids yet??
Great great build.
Bet it will rock many a super car!!
With regards to the driveshaft I'm sure you can get a beefed up one made by one of the local engineering companies near Brackley.
I expect your tuning company can advise on that one. I like APR's approach to engineering and have had alot of stuff off them in the past including stage 3 kits.
Bring on some footage.
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Niiiiice.
Which recaros are they mate?
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Niiiiice.
Which recaros are they mate?
Pole positions.
14kg each vs 35kg each of the OEM seats!
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Look mint mate and that is a good weight saving!!
U not getting one for drivers side?
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Look mint mate and that is a good weight saving!!
U not getting one for drivers side?
He has both.. Its a comparisons between the two. :wink:
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You been playing with GTRs on the motorway???
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Bet she goes well theres a good vid on youtube of a stage3+ ttrs vs a big turbo 2.0 tfsi
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Then make your way up Middlesbrough and give me a ride :happy2:
& you might aswell come down to Basingstoke to give me a ride too :happy2:
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Bet she goes well theres a good vid on youtube of a stage3+ ttrs vs a big turbo 2.0 tfsi
Link! :popcornsoda:
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You been playing with GTRs on the motorway???
It was one of our secret dual carriageways :grin: . That night was crazy there were alot of animals out ALOT. Apparently that GTR wants a rematch as hes gone hybrid. :laugh:
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Wow I havent updated this in over a year.
Alot has happened since then. Good and bad.
The APR kit and engine build itself has been perfect. The oem gearbox syncros and injectors not so much.
But I push on, further upgrades are coming for speed, driveability, handling and reliability.
Most immediate is a updated map where we will be fitting some new sensors and ive been trying to coax eric urness the mapper to add some flamage into the map for me also :evilgrin:
Also on the list is stronger syncromesh, im having that developed by a transmission specialist as Ive broken three now.
Put on a positive note, the car has done 2 ring trips, hit some high speeds and put a smile on my face everytime I boot it.
Pics and vids on my instagram www.instagram.com/jason_rs
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I do enjoy reading your progress with this car....I'm also loving the Instagram pictures too. Started following you (c6tom)
I look forward to future progress
I miss having a quick car.....
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Welcome back Pov. :happy2:
What power level are you at now? If you are breaking synchromeshes it must be a fair amount.
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Just come across this thread for the first time, car looks wicked mate. Before I brought my R I was after a TTRS but couldnt find a decent one.
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Welcome back Pov. :happy2:
What power level are you at now? If you are breaking synchromeshes it must be a fair amount.
Hi John, ive been lazy with updating but Im going to start again as I start to push on to the next phases.
Its not so much the power thats ruining the syncromesh its my super duper lightweight flywheel. It allows the car to rev like a superbike but it also drops the revs really quickly, and the syncromesh cant slow down fast enough, so as I engage gear the speeds are mismatched and it stresses the syncro. I'll upload some pics of it later.
Its been a bit of a weakness for manual TTRS cars tbh as even stock clutch and flywheel guys are breaking the syncros with fast shifts.
Power wise im at 620hp and 620+lbft torque @3250rpm
Once ive dropped some more weight off the car and the gearbox is bulletproof I think it will be time for more power again :jumping:
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Just come across this thread for the first time, car looks wicked mate. Before I brought my R I was after a TTRS but couldnt find a decent one.
Thanks! Yeah theres a few dogs out there now, alot of them have been ragged and or crashed.
Love the R, if I needed another car as a daily its what I would have as it ticks all the boxes. Still secretly hoping to trade in the GF's mini for one
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Have you seen this:
https://www.facebook.com/revlimited/posts/645733625528061?notif_t=notify_me
Massive torque from this
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Have you seen this:
https://www.facebook.com/revlimited/posts/645733625528061?notif_t=notify_me
Massive torque from this
Nice! Whats really interesting to me is the power curve difference to mine. Spool is a whole 750rpm later, shows what a good race developments did on the cylinder head porting and flowing. The aim was better low down response and thats exactly what I got.
Im still wondering if my 2.75" catback is holding power back a bit, I should really be a full 3", although I have 3.5" ambitions
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Have you seen this:
https://www.facebook.com/revlimited/posts/645733625528061?notif_t=notify_me
Massive torque from this
Nice! Whats really interesting to me is the power curve difference to mine. Spool is a whole 750rpm later, shows what a good race developments did on the cylinder head porting and flowing. The aim was better low down response and thats exactly what I got.
Im still wondering if my 2.75" catback is holding power back a bit, I should really be a full 3", although I have 3.5" ambitions
2,75" must be a restriction, we are using 3,5" dp and 3" catback on the 2,0 TFSI above 450bhp :happy2:
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This car looks like an animal! Some serious firepower you've got there, bet it's a laugh to drive :happy2:
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Awesome read bud, had a cheeky stalk on your ig aswell and that thing sounds EPIC! :happy2:
The patience you've had well, I just couldn't match haha!
Keep it up bud!
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Have you seen this:
https://www.facebook.com/revlimited/posts/645733625528061?notif_t=notify_me
Massive torque from this
Nice! Whats really interesting to me is the power curve difference to mine. Spool is a whole 750rpm later, shows what a good race developments did on the cylinder head porting and flowing. The aim was better low down response and thats exactly what I got.
Im still wondering if my 2.75" catback is holding power back a bit, I should really be a full 3", although I have 3.5" ambitions
2,75" must be a restriction, we are using 3,5" dp and 3" catback on the 2,0 TFSI above 450bhp :happy2:
Yeah im thinking to go to 3.5" ready for when i do inevitably go for more power, but right now I have my hands full with 3 other details of the car that need adressing.
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Awesome read bud, had a cheeky stalk on your ig aswell and that thing sounds EPIC! :happy2:
The patience you've had well, I just couldn't match haha!
Keep it up bud!
This car looks like an animal! Some serious firepower you've got there, bet it's a laugh to drive :happy2:
Thanks guys. At times its tested my patience with the gearbox failures and then the injector failure, but everytime I drive it, I forgive her!
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Right lets try a meaningful update here.
May 2014 I went to the ring, and whilst in stop start traffic in belgium, the syncromesh went in 1st and 2nd gear. Bugger. Still made it to the ring and back though.
Got back to england, bought a 2nd hand gearbox and fitted that.
Fast forward to April 15' and the car develops a suspension knock. Into AMD it goes and they find that one of the bilstein dampers is weeping. Off it goes to bilstein who repaired it free of charge and back onto the car.
I pick the car up and 2 mins down the road from AMD and injector 5 fails. Get towed back to AmD and replace all 5 injectors.
I then fit dunlop sportmaxx race tyres, which then start rubbing on the outside arches/paintwork. Seems that they are fair bit wider than the michelin supersports that they replaced. Aggro! They would probably fit fine if it wasnt for the 10mm spacers I have to run to clear the 8 pots.
Solution? Wide Arches. Pics in the links :evilgrin:
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https://instagram.com/p/3HSjwaygZr/
I also fitted a boost gauge, need little mod, has the needle sweep, black face when the car is off, and fits perfectly into the air vent.
https://instagram.com/p/2v0Lc9ygdf/
Then next on the list is further weight reduction. I had the car weighed when stock with nothing but a full milltek exhaust system at 1450kg with a quarter tank. Since then ive done the pole positions, titanium exhaust, rear seat removal and a lightweight battery will be on the way.
I estimate with all of these things the car probably weighs about 1365kg with a quarter tank.
https://instagram.com/p/3Q3__TygeH/
The rear seat is still a work in progress, im going to have a setup similiar to that of the special edition mk1 audi tt quattro sport. Should look cool once the parts arrive and I can get it fabricated.
Also awaiting my APR mobile dongle, so I can easily communicate with APR Hq in the states, as they are making me a custom map. Flames have been requested
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Seems the forums dont like massive posts, as it keeps cutting parts off.
So to finish off the above:
Also awaiting my APR mobile dongle, so I can easily communicate with APR Hq in the states, as they are making me a custom map. Flames have been requested
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What an awesome car! BOMB! :happy2:
I know you from the seatcupra times. ;) :drinking:
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WOW! Hats off to you what an awesome build. :happy2:
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Hi buddy are you interested in selling your brakes?
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Update:
Engines and gearbox coming out.
Gearbox getting rebuilt and engines off to racedevelopments for stage 4. Valvetrain, and schrick cams.
Then once back at rb race engineering raymond will be swapping the gtx3576 for a gtx3582. Looking to rev the motor out. Will probably shift the powerband up another 400-600rpm to 3800rpm but should gain 1500 rpm up top.
Also fitting a manlier intank fuel pump, new air intake and that 3.5" exhaust.
Oh and finally the wide arches have been fitted. Looks good :evilgrin:
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NEED pics of the new look buddy! :happy2:
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Any pics ??
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That has to be one of the biggest teases I've ever read :signLOL:
You got any idea what numbers you'll be expecting from this?
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Wow, what a weapon this is! Can't wait to see the next stage of build.
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That has to be one of the biggest teases I've ever read :signLOL:
You got any idea what numbers you'll be expecting from this?
I'll be happy with 700hp but mr raymond bell from RBRE thinks once all the hardwares on it could potentially do up to 750hp.
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Nice will b a weapon
U got insta or anything pov??
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Nice will b a weapon
U got insta or anything pov??
Yeah its jason_rs
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Wicked will take a look
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:evilgrin:
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Oh my look light
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Look like 911 gt3/918 seats?
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I'd be happy enough with a set of Poles, but those are awesome
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:happy2: :congrats: :congrats: :congrats:
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:love:
epic build
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:evilgrin:
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Hollyyyyyyyy sh*ttttttttttt :star: :jumping: :party: :laugh:
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The seats are from a 997.2 gt3 rs from what im told.
So the car is gone for the engine work, still waiting on my new turbo though. Cant wait to drive her again.
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A update after some more bits arrived.
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that is a big snail. Will it be a little laggy or will the larger duration cams overcome that?
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I'm really glad I had some tissues to hand when I looked at those photos :signLOL:
:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
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What size snail is that??
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I....need...that...boost....
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I'm really glad I had some tissues to hand when I looked at those photos :signLOL:
:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
Lol dirty barstewards
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that is a big snail. Will it be a little laggy or will the larger duration cams overcome that?
Tbh that is kinda the million dollar question.
Atm i pretty much have peak torque around 3250rpm which is pretty decent but the turbo does start to drop off around the higher rpm range. The APR kit was optimised for use with that turbo size as they went for response. The current turbo is a gtx3576 with a 0.63ar housing. Basically they say it has gtx30 spool with gtx35 power, a great turbo but if you want more you have to go bigger obviously. This turbo can do 650hp, but my exhaust is too restrictive as it drops to 2.75 cat back.
The new turbo is a gtx3582 with a 0.82ar exhaust housing, so im going with a turbo setup that will flow alot more up top. Its good for 750hp and should carry on flowing till we reach 8500rpm.
So with the valvetrain cams and bigger turbo I could gain another 1500rpm of bandwith up top. Alot of people have said they are concerned I will make it a slower car for the road due to it being more laggy as they think I wont have any power till over 4000rpm.
From the research ive done myself im hoping near peak boost will just get shifted to 3750rpm.
But I will soon find out. All I know for certain is that with the raised limiter and 8500rpm the car geared to be able to go well over 200mph in 6th and sound great whilst doing so.
Just a shame I lose bottle on the autobahn around 180
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My current graph, will try and get a overlay of the new power figures when its all done.
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Engine out
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The old valves
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Engine back together
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And mast but not least, a new air intake from 034 motorsports
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When's she going to be back together then?
Also where do I register for a passenger ride? :laugh:
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The million dollar question!
Well the new turbo didnt fit with the existing APR intake turbo pipe and the outlet pipe was bigger too. So the shop had to fabricate and modify the existing APR stage 3 kit to make it fit.
Then when splitting open the gearbox after the syncro failure we where greeted with lots of internal damage. Broken gears and a seized diff on top of the broken syncromesh.
I had a spare gearbox so taking the good stuff from that and putting it into the other box.
I presume two weeks and it will be ready for mapping.
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that intake looks amaizing :laugh:
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What a great build! Would be interested to know the kind of money in this!
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Any updates Jason? :party:
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Update:
New exhaust fitted and downpipe fabricated by speedfab in Cambridge. Very impressed with his workmanship, knowledge and excellent communication. Regulary emailed me with pics etc. Will be working with them again for a crazy back box.
So picked up the car, needs mapping now, APR will write me a custom code but I know i will be out of fuelling around 670hp, so am waiting to buy a secondary fuelling system to push past 700hp.
Early impressions id say peak torque will be hit at about 4000rpm
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Nice look forward to seen some vids graphs of this
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Amazing build :smiley: :happy2:
Will be following this with interest :happy2: :happy2:
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One of those never ending projects, whenever you think right, that will do, you find something else you can do.
So anyway ive been busy :evilgrin:
https://instagram.com/p/BSmknZhg4Ur/
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wicked.
Have you had any tuning or dyno time between last year and now? would love to know how you are currently :)
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wicked.
Have you had any tuning or dyno time between last year and now? would love to know how you are currently :)
I never did get it mapped in the end, was going to run a piggyback and a custom APR map but once I had priced it all up syvecs was starting to make more and more sense.
So to update, new gearbox in, new street sport engine mounts in to replace the solid VWR ones, 5 extra injectors and new inlet manifold all fitted.
Car was then being mapped yesterday on the syvecs at the surrey rolling road but the clutch started slipping at 600lbft. Not good. The clutch was contaminated from the old leaking gearbox but the garage did clean it up very well. Perhaps though it still affected it because a guy in the states reckons hes put 1000nm of torque through it when running racefuel.
So ive got another brand new sach clutch sitting with me at home which I will send over and we will fit and fingers crossed it will take 650-700lbft ok.
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Those figures are nuts! :notworthy:
Hope the new clutch sorts the slipping problem.
Chris
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Judgement weak, if this clutch doesn't hold im converting to dsg!
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New clutch in, base low boost map completed.
420hp @ 0.7 bar and revving to 8000rpm
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Right different dyno, so no 8000rpm action as exceeding maximum dyno speed and revving it out to 7100rpm only.
End result 650PS @ 1.5 bar.
Clutch starting to slip, and intank pump is maxed out.
So now looking for a more extreme clutch and fitting a stronger intank pump. Then back to tuning and turning up the boost some more.
Video of a dyno run at 610hp https://instagram.com/p/BVFaBXLA1V3/
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:drool: :drool: :congrats:
What clutch you thinking to go for instead?
Chris
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Mental build! :congrats:
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:drool: :drool: :congrats:
What clutch you thinking to go for instead?
Chris
Well on the road the clutch seems to be holding, we limited the torque in the map, sach reckons the clutch needs running in also, but if not might throw a clutch master one in.
So for now ive ordered a bigger air filter as the tuner thought mines too small and working on a more efficient intercooler as the one I have is seeing too great a pressure drop. So im hoping two weeks from now it will be finished, should in theory make over 700hp once revved out to 8k rpm and the fuelling and cooling can keep up. I'll call it quits till the winter and then sort any other bits out that are limiting its full potential.
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There's always something that can be improved :happy2:
Really enjoying this project, keep us up to date :drinking:
Chris
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Time for an update.
Never did anymore dyno time as my intank fuel pump was maxxed out and the pressure loss across the intercooler too great. So instead of waiting for us to develop a better intercooler I picked up the car from storm developments to enjoy for the summer instead.
So the car has 6 maps. Wastegate pressure 0.7bar with is 470hp to start with then 5 other maps that increase the boost at each stage and also the final map being peak boost plus anti lag. Anti lag is hilarious as the car will literally flame continuously.
So syvecs itself, amazing, the car drives so much better than on a bosch ecu, the fail safes are amazing and instead of oil temps being high 90's low 100's in stop start traffic they now sit at around 86 degrees, all due to the engine running better on syvecs.
Syvecs Motorsport traction control: WITCH CRAFT. 650hp in the rain foot down any gear you like and the car just goes, 0 drama, no esp kicking it, its like traction control is obviously doing its job but you cant feel it. The car is soooo much quicker in the wet now.
Now 100-200 times. When I first got the car i was doing 5.9 secs, but andy at storm developments team viewered in a few times and we started mapping on the road.
5.9 secs turned into 5.7 secs, another day another night of tweaks and the 5.7 went to a 5.5 corrected time. No hardware changes, all in the mapping adjusting some strategies and the TC slip maps.
The car now needs a better intercooler and either a twin or brushless LPFP, and then we can turn up the boost. In 2018 i will make these changes and I think the car will do a high 4 sec 100-200.
So syvecs was money well spent, engine runs better, im faster in a straight line, faster in the wet, faster around a track wet or dry.
Ive done two ring trips and a open pit day at Spa and the car was flawless.
Many thanks to the guys at storm developments for their hardwork and advice!