MK5 Golf GTI
General => Detailing => Topic started by: Markydee on November 17, 2012, 09:24:36 pm
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Looking at ordering some wax for a diamond black car - previously always used autoglym (because I'm a newbie) so was looking at either AG HD wax or Dodo juice blue velvet or purple haze (also open to any other suggestions).
Also is balck hole a better bet than super resin polish/ ultra deep shine?
Any recommendations appreciated.
Cheers
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Heard really good things about black hole, there's loads of before and after pictures over the Internet if you do a search and the shine and colour looks so deep and dark!
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Black hole is more of a glaze with fillers so will hide swirls and give a wet look. SRP has some abrasive ability so is a polish, can be used by hand, contains fillers and a sealant of sorts.
If the car is properly machine polished, I found R222 to give an awesome wet look whilst allowing the metallic flake to pop rather than muting it.
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Cheers for the replies guys - had a quick look for black hole results - look very impressive. Only looking at products for hand use at mo - would love a machine polisher though!
My current routine is wash, super resin polish, extra gloss protection. Am I correct in thinking that I need to stick to same routine but swap SRP for Blackhole and add a wax after the extra gloss protection sealant?
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Do what you do now but add the black hole between the srp and the egp... You might want to think about decontaminating the paint before the srp.. Halfords do a good meguirs (sp) starter clay kit for about £25.
Have fun!
J
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Hi mark ,im using wolfs products and nanolex and finishing car off with black fire midnight sun or swissvax sheild wax .also check out detailingworld for tips on detailing your car.:)
http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/index.php
http://www.polishedbliss.co.uk/acatalog/car-care-products-special-offers.html
Heres one of many online detailing stores ...
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Cheers guys - really usefull links! :drinking:
I think I may be at the top of a very slippery slope!
So go for the the megs clay over AG clay?
Do I use the wax over the EGP - final stage?
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The Megs kit they sell in Halfords is very good :happy2:
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Here is a shot of my car with Blackhole and Poorboys Natty blue wax applied. I found blackhole gives great results used with the poorboys wax. It gives the car a lovely gloss wet look. Its easy to work with too :happy2:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm9.staticflickr.com%2F8347%2F8172575844_7327615a53_b.jpg&hash=444784b424178214b5d289c7fed943679cbd0bcc) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/89866797@N02/8172575844/)
P3310050 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/89866797@N02/8172575844/) by Simon's Edition30 (http://www.flickr.com/people/89866797@N02/), on Flickr
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Here is a shot of my car with Blackhole and Poorboys Natty blue wax applied. I found blackhole gives great results used with the poorboys wax. It gives the car a lovely gloss wet look. Its easy to work with too :happy2:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm9.staticflickr.com%2F8347%2F8172575844_7327615a53_b.jpg&hash=444784b424178214b5d289c7fed943679cbd0bcc) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/89866797@N02/8172575844/)
P3310050 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/89866797@N02/8172575844/) by Simon's Edition30 (http://www.flickr.com/people/89866797@N02/), on Flickr
I use the same
I find them easier to use than autoglyms super resin polish
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I use the same
I find them easier to use than autoglyms super resin polish
I gave up on super resin polish. Its over rated , hard to apply and messy. The same goes for their hd wax. Poorboys wax and blackhole are great product to use IMO :happy2:
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(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fi132%2Fstevedrane%2F005.jpg&hash=73a4efda1c242789b57cc3f282436b671be3e458)
Mine after a wash but has been polished with AG ultra deep gloss & then a coat of AG HD wax.
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How did you find using the HD WAX Gene? Results look very good. :happy2:
I purchased the autoglym concours valet set already so have all the products but was looking add a final wax - was originally looking at the HD WAX but upon searching I'm now hearing great stuff about black hole - pretty cheap product too so worth a go. Results in posted pics look great. :happy2:
That just leaves the decision on the final wax - swaying towards the dodo juice blue velvet over the natty paste (based purely on the newbie thought process that it is more expensive so must be better that the poorbors?!) :ashamed:
So new wash routine would be
Wash
Clay
SRP
Blackhole
EGP
DODOJUICE wax
Is this overkill? Can I skip SRP and just use Blackhole ?
Do I still use EGP if using a final wax?
Anyone got any pics after using dodo?
Cheers for all the replies :drinking:
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Hi Mark. The AG HD wax is very easy to use,comes with a couple of applicator sponges & micro fibre cloths so everything you need to use straight away.Only thing i would say is don't apply too much, a thin smear is all you need. :wink:.
Shop around for it Mark as you can get some great deals for it online(got my kit off ebay). :happy2:
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Here's a tip
.... Finish off with concourse car care liquid shield
Quality stuff, trust me.
Online or eBay £9.99 lasts ages.
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I used to really like Blackfire wet diamond wax for my black GTI, the polish was good too - can't remember the name of it now.
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Cheers for the tips - heard good things about blackfire.
Gave the car a quick wash today - last wash was super resin polish then sealed with extra gloss protection so just a wash and dry today - noticed in the bright sun there were loads of very fine scratches/ swirls that were not there before? Washed carefully using 2 bucket method as usual? Could these be fine scratches in the sealant layer or would it be the clear coat?
The sealant was only added a month ago and it's still beading very well? Surely the SRP CAN'T DEGRADE BEFORE THE SEALANT?
Looks super clean but these fine marks under bright light are a right pain in the ass!
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I have black gti also, pearl metallic so I was looking for something to make the metallic flakes - POP - as a lot of products even top of the range dull the flakes.
just had a new ex professional detailer move in over the road from me :jumping: and I got some advice from him, even let me look at a tub of £2500 car wax he has :surprised: now that's mad I tell you, and yes that's two and a half grand ffs
anyway I have put together some products that im hoping will work well
pre wash using spray foam lance = £48
polished bliss auto finesse avalanche snow foam =£30
auto finesse shampoo lather = £38 for 5litres
washed with Flexipads Merino Wool Wash Mitt = £14
wheels washed with r222 ( safe to use on monzas ) £22
and also using PB Luxury Wheel Woolies £42 for in and between the wheels
drying with high quality micro fibre cloths ( thin ones are useless ) £14 a towel
and drying with Metro Vac Air Force Blaster at 330mph lol ( damn great but expensive ) £199
sealing the monzas with poorboys wheel sealant £35
for the glass ENDUROSHIELD AUTOGLASS - HIGH PERFORMANCE RAIN REPELLANT AND GLASS PROTECTION £15
then using Blackfire Gloss Enhancing Polish £20
and finally Blackfire Midnight Sun Paste Wax £58
occasionally if needed for tar etc I use Auto Finesse Oblitarate £9
its a fair whack of cash and I am still waiting for delivery of the gloss enhancing polish as well as the glass rain repellent but due to the bulk of the cash being for machinery and a lot of the bottles / tubs are the large ones im hoping that will be me for a good year or so
total is around £542
I may look into polishers in the future but no more cash just now,
will post a pic when car is totally cleaned / sealed etc soon
as for my neighbour paying £2500 for wax (and he actually paid that ) the stuff even has its own presentation glass box :surprised:
bonkers some of the stuff out there
:driver: :driver: :driver:
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Scott, is this guys name Mark by any chance?
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Scott, is this guys name Mark by any chance?
why do you ask ?
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Was his name Paul?
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Was his name Paul?
LOL IM ASSUMING NOT A LOT OF GUYS OUT THERE WITH TWO AND A HALF GRAND WAX FOR A CAR,
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Scott, is this guys name Mark by any chance?
why do you ask ?
There was a guy on EastSide VW who ordered some dear wax and as he is in the area I just thought there was a chance it was him. Think he drives/drove an A4 avant. The guy on EVW was selling 35g tubs to folk for £50...!
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Was his name Paul?
There is always one smart arse. Pity it's not you. :-)
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Was his name Paul?
There is always one smart arse. Pity it's not you. :-)
No, someone else got there first :wink:
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Was his name Paul?
There is always one smart arse. Pity it's not you. :-)
No, someone else got there first :wink:
:wink:
Anyway. This was said wax - Zymol Vintage.
http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/wax/zymol-wax/zymol-vintage-glaze/prod_999.html
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Scott, is this guys name Mark by any chance?
why do you ask ?
There was a guy on EastSide VW who ordered some dear wax and as he is in the area I just thought there was a chance it was him. Think he drives/drove an A4 avant. The guy on EVW was selling 35g tubs to folk for £50...!
ok I will answer the question in a mature manor
yes the guys name is indeed mark
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Best wax by far for black is Pinnacle Souveran, if you can still get it. The only problem is that it is about as durable as a snowball in a heat wave so needs to be applied after each weekly wash which can be a pia.
Other than that have to recommend Zaino Z8 awesome results and far easier to apply than any wax. Throw in a few other Zaino products into the prep and you have a car that will look fantastic.
However a final stage product is only as good as the prep work you put in so a clay, de-con and a machine polish will give better results on their own without a final product than any wax or sealant on a car that has not the above treatment.
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dont want to jack the thread, but whats best for the Tornado Red Paint?
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I use Wolfgang for candy paint ;)
There are a lot of sealant / glazes.
But the best it depends on your experience and your feelings ^^
You can try Zaino, Wolfgang, AutoGlym, Swissvax ...
And it depends of the price :D some sealants can be 100£ ...