MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: GTImike on December 18, 2012, 09:30:46 am
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My tyres need replacing soon on my stage 2 Eddy (probably within the next two months) and I was all set to go for Michelin PS3's which I know a lot of you guys rate highly but then I read Evo magazine the other month and they were raving about the new Pirelli P Zero's tested on a not disimilar car to ours, the Audi A3 TFSI and I'm in a bit of a quandry. :confused:
I bought my car with a nearly new set of Dunlop SP Sport Maxx's on last year and I've never really felt that they were overly sure footed, especially in the rain or damp conditions, I just want to make sure I have the best available tyre on the car without going to the extremes of trackday type tyres. I know that the PS3's are a great tyre but anyone had the comparison against the P Zero's.
The main reason I am asking this question, I used to ride a lot of powerful motorbikes and to be fair this is where my tyre fetish developed. Pirelli rewrote the bike tyre rule books about 5 years ago with the Diablo Corsa's and the confidence they gave on my GSXR 750 K7 was immense. I just want to make sure I make the right choice this time around.....
Mike
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I have not had much experience of different tyres but I do rate the Pirelli P-Zero.
From the factory the Pirelli Edition was fitted with them as standard.
When I bought the car with 7900 miles on it there were 2 brand new P-Zero Rosso's on the front. They were OK but as they started to wear down the grip tailed off massively (next to no grip in the wet at 3.5mm when pulling off)
I decided to get the "Proper" P-Zero's fitted at change time, and that is what I have had fitted ever since. I am now at nearly 62000 miles so thats a few sets of tyres.
The grip in the wet is great. Got me out of a few sticky situations on country lanes. I have even found myself driving through deep puddles on purpose because I still can't beleive that the don't aquaplane easily!
The only thing I would say is that they are a very soft compound so they will wear out quickly (hence the new ones when I bought the car) if you are not careful when putting the power down but you can make them last. Also if you leave them on the rear too long the heavy camber wears the inside edge like a 50p peice (common problem on MK5 golf - just rotate front to back them evry 10k or so). Doesn't seem to affect the performance, just hums at speed.
Hope this helps
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Thanks for the reply Pirelli, but with a user name like that and a car of the same name you are bound to be biased :signLOL:
Haha joking aside I do value your comments, the wet weather handling is of upmost interest seeing as I live in a particularly damp part of the country. Mileage wise I'm not overly fussed if they wear quicker, I've managed to eek more than 15,000 miles out the Dunlops on mine by swapping ends etc but I do feel their longevity may well come at the expense of grip. To be fair the Dunlops have been woeful in moist conditions since the beginning of summer when I went to stage two, for example the traction control light comes on in excess of the national speed limit when accelerating up damp 'up' ramps onto the motorway which un-nerves me at times. (Not that I can't handle the golf :driver:)
Cheers Mike :happy2:
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I've just changed to Goodyear Eagle F1 asymmetric 2's from Dunlop Sportmaxx and the difference was quite marked. The Goodyears have more grip in all weather conditions and they are confidence inspiring in the wet.
Before this I've had several types and makes of tyre and the Goodyears are probably the best all rounder.
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Love the F1 AS2's... but I really need to have a go at the Michie's come the summer, as the goodyears don't last very long for me.
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Ive been through loads of tyres over the tyres and ive always liked the Toyo T1-R's, but as the cars get bigger and I dont push the car quite so hard. I've been using Falkens for the last 3 years, last about 18000 miles and pretty good in all conditions, but absolutely useless in snow! :wink:
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Love the F1 AS2's... but I really need to have a go at the Michie's come the summer, as the goodyears don't last very long for me.
Don't say that to me! :surprised: :scared:
I've only just bought them and am shoving 4 WD grip power through them. :laugh:
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18000 miles
Holy cr@p... I'm lucky to get 8k before they look like they need changing (~3mm)
No summer tyre is good in the snow... simply the wrong compound.
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Love the F1 AS2's... but I really need to have a go at the Michie's come the summer, as the goodyears don't last very long for me.
Don't say that to me! :surprised: :scared:
I've only just bought them and am shoving 4 WD grip power through them. :laugh:
Might just be me being too heavy into the corners; I've never had tyres last very long.
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18000 miles
Holy cr@p... I'm lucky to get 8k before they look like they need changing (~3mm)
No summer tyre is good in the snow... simply the wrong compound.
Yeah that was the mileage I did on the front pair on my Touran - and it still had about 3mm when I put them onto the Jetta (just putting a new pair on next month. By then they should be well over 20k!
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Come the spring I will be looking at Michelin PS3', Pirelli P Zero or Goodyear Asy 2... I reckon they'll all be same same... The goodyear has best rolling resistance, which will help with fuel economy, Michelins in the dry but p-zeros have just got top awards in that tyre test... so...
It'll be down to the cheapest at the time out of those three...
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I know the Goodyear Eagle F1's are a decent tyre too, I had them (or the variant at the time) on a Fiat coupe 20v turbo some years ago and they were fantastic.
Not too fussed about running different compound winter tyres really where I live, the snow never gets too bad here (I don't recall even getting any last year), just a constant rain drizzle from the Pennines.
I suppose its a case of tossing a coin then..... a three sided one at that..... Michelin's, Pirelli's or Goodyear's.... suppose I can't go wrong....
as long as the coin doesn't show Dunlops as option though!! :signLOL:
p.s. sorry to drag up the boring tyre thread again, I know it has countless hits
p.p.s. how many mpg does your car return .... :signLOL: only joking
Right I'm off to wear these Dunlops down to the wear bars so I can get rid. :evilgrin:
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Goodyear Eagle F1 assys :happy2:
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for me i would put either Mich.s or the good years on your car.,
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PS3s aren't great in my opinion. I got around 16000 miles out of my set, but I was willing them to die so I could change them after about a quarter of that distance. By all accounts the PS2 is a better tyre for performance use and runs alongside the PS3 in the range, not superseded by it. I've got winter tyres on at the mo', but had replaced the Michelins with Asymmetric 2s before they went on. They're light years ahead in grip with better bite in the corners and much less vague on turn in than the understeer-prone PS3s. Wearing out rather more rapidly, though!
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My GY F1 v2 fronts are approaching the wear markers and ive done ~20,000 miles on them (since xmas last year)... i consider that too be excellent value for money, because not only do they perform well, they also last.
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I changed my front tyres first and the car was oversteering with the worn PS3s still on the rear. An odd sensation having to apply a touch of opposite lock exiting corners in a car that would normally be more prone to understeer! :laugh:
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PS3s aren't great in my opinion. I got around 16000 miles out of my set, but I was willing them to die so I could change them after about a quarter of that distance. By all accounts the PS2 is a better tyre for performance use and runs alongside the PS3 in the range, not superseded by it. I've got winter tyres on at the mo', but had replaced the Michelins with Asymmetric 2s before they went on. They're light years ahead in grip with better bite in the corners and much less vague on turn in than the understeer-prone PS3s. Wearing out rather more rapidly, though!
That's good to know, I think I may keep with the AS2's then, as I wouldn't want to lose that grip for the sake of a few thousand more miles wear.
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My GY F1 v2 fronts are approaching the wear markers and ive done ~20,000 miles on them (since xmas last year)... i consider that too be excellent value for money, because not only do they perform well, they also last.
Cr@p it must be my lead foot that only gets 8-10k outta them... tbh I think it's worse than that. :ashamed:
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I changed my front tyres first and the car was oversteering with the worn PS3s still on the rear. An odd sensation having to apply a touch of opposite lock exiting corners in a car that would normally be more prone to understeer! :laugh:
haha, i had the same with some worn rears... great fun.... if you know it's coming, not so when it's out of the blue
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My GY F1 v2 fronts are approaching the wear markers and ive done ~20,000 miles on them (since xmas last year)... i consider that too be excellent value for money, because not only do they perform well, they also last.
Cr@p it must be my lead foot that only gets 8-10k outta them... tbh I think it's worse than that. :ashamed:
Well i dont drive slowly to be honest. I regularly get 22mpg and max 30MPG on longer runs. I think its down to driving style too.... :driver:
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I am also thinking of the Goodyear Eagle F1 assys next as a lot of you guys have recommended it. I'm running 17 monza, so wondering are these still the best option?, as most have 18's.
Thanks
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My GY F1 v2 fronts are approaching the wear markers and ive done ~20,000 miles on them (since xmas last year)... i consider that too be excellent value for money, because not only do they perform well, they also last.
I found that with mine, they are lasting nicely :smiley:
I'm sure mk5gtian is spreading the word that these wear out quickly :grin:
I'm not even going to mention a certain tyre test to satisfy Nodz :laugh:
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I've ran both on mk5 GTi's (Pzero on the old one, PS3's on the new one) and the Michelin's feel a lot better in both wet and dry conditions.
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Out of interest what mileage did you get out of the Dunlop Sport Max TT, the tires many GTI's shipped with?
Why do some of you not rate them, given VW factory fitted them they can't be dreadful can they? After all they aren't budget tyres etc?
Got them on mine but fronts getting low (bought in Aug)
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The Dunlops have been pretty bad since the spring of last year when I guess they were less than half worn.
On fast sweeping motorway bends in damp conditions (off the M60 not far from us) they just feel like they are going to let go at any moment. I appreciate their is a lot of power to help break the traction but I've had plenty of powerful cars in my time and I have least confidence in the golf with these tyres in damp conditions, its great in the dry. Maybe its just a sensation or misconception on my part because they've never actually sent me into a ditch. They just don't inspire confidence. I think I mentioned elsewhere, but I've had wheelspin accelerating to 80mph and beyond (Ahem 70mph officer) joining some motorway junctions.
Mileage wise they were already on my car when I bought it at 4300 miles last year and its slowly approaching 20k now. The tyres still all have approx 3mm of tread (the back maybe more, I rotated them early summer this year). So I should get a good 18,000 miles out of them and I don't drive particularly sedately but on the other hand I don't drag race every traffic light - I'd lose anyway as the car would just sit and spin its tyres haha.
Reading other feedback it may well be the Goodyears going on mine next time round then. I'll deffo report my feelings when I do.
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Again I've had no experience of the tyres you mention, but I always buy either continental contact sports or F1s, and they are great ! I think I preferred the contis last time though but since then both GY and Continental have released new versions so I might just go with the cheapest.
I will say I was very interested in the mich supersports until I found that they are not produced in the size / ratings we need on the golf.
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They are produced, just not sold in the UK...
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My ED30 came with Conti sport 2. Stuck with the same only now the sport 3. No complaints here.
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Contis are great in the dry, not so confidence inspiring when it's wet, though.
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I've got Conti SC2's that came with my car from new last July. I definitely prefer the Goodyear AS2's on my previous car especially in these cold, damp conditions.
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My GY F1 v2 fronts are approaching the wear markers and ive done ~20,000 miles on them (since xmas last year)... i consider that too be excellent value for money, because not only do they perform well, they also last.
....Lasting well with me too. I agree when you say that much is down to driving style. I'm a slow-in and fast-out style of corner taker, helped by my Quaife. I never get tyre squeal on the road.
Am on my third set of Goodyear Asymmetric F1's and it's good not having to think what tyres to buy next. :happy2: I simply don't drive my car when there is any snow and, otherwise, drive safely according to the road conditions and traffic.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fb308%2FRedRobin_05%2FEagleF1_Asym2_1503.jpg&hash=4c1e31ee18f87ac27c50b2f6d8126ec3b1e79aeb)
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Just dragging this post back up because........
New Goodyear Eagle F1's being fitted in the morning, then its off for some extensive road testing :party:
Plenty of moist roads to test them on up here, I don't think I've ever been excited by fitting something so boring as tyre's before, I must be getting old :signLOL: or I'm fed up of the traction control light spoiling the fun recently. I think a Superpro rear engine mount can be ordered as well, while its up on the ramps and I can check which variant I need. At least that counts as an actual mod rather than a necessity..... although it could be argued that its a necessity too!
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Just dragging this post back up because........
New Goodyear Eagle F1's being fitted in the morning, then its off for some extensive road testing :party:
Plenty of moist roads to test them on up here, I don't think I've ever been excited by fitting something so boring as tyre's before, I must be getting old :signLOL: or I'm fed up of the traction control light spoiling the fun recently.
....You need to wear in new tyres by doing at least 100 miles and then make sure they are up to temperature before "testing" them.
Also, if you are driving efficiently you should be able to avoid wheelspin by progressively using your right foot - Power is useless without traction. Tyres and their condition are only one element in the equation, although a very important one.
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My GY F1 v2 fronts are approaching the wear markers and ive done ~20,000 miles on them (since xmas last year)... i consider that too be excellent value for money, because not only do they perform well, they also last.
I found that with mine, they are lasting nicely :smiley:
I'm sure mk5gtian is spreading the word that these wear out quickly :grin:
I'm not even going to mention a certain tyre test to satisfy Nodz :laugh:
I missed that little quip back in December Graeme! You are right though, The F1 Assy 2's are bald before you've put your credit card back in your wallet :grin:
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Just dragging this post back up because........
New Goodyear Eagle F1's being fitted in the morning, then its off for some extensive road testing :party:
Plenty of moist roads to test them on up here, I don't think I've ever been excited by fitting something so boring as tyre's before, I must be getting old :signLOL: or I'm fed up of the traction control light spoiling the fun recently. I think a Superpro rear engine mount can be ordered as well, while its up on the ramps and I can check which variant I need. At least that counts as an actual mod rather than a necessity..... although it could be argued that its a necessity too!
What's the verdict on the F1's? Quite fancy trying them when my PS3's are done.
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After PS3s you'll love 'em!
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After PS3s you'll love 'em!
In what way? Grip, longevity, etc?
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Every way except longevity. See my post on page 1...
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Just dragging this post back up because........
New Goodyear Eagle F1's being fitted in the morning, then its off for some extensive road testing :party:
Plenty of moist roads to test them on up here, I don't think I've ever been excited by fitting something so boring as tyre's before, I must be getting old :signLOL: or I'm fed up of the traction control light spoiling the fun recently. I think a Superpro rear engine mount can be ordered as well, while its up on the ramps and I can check which variant I need. At least that counts as an actual mod rather than a necessity..... although it could be argued that its a necessity too!
What's the verdict on the F1's? Quite fancy trying them when my PS3's are done.
Absolutely brilliant compared to the Dunlop's that they replaced and still not run-in etc. They just inspire a lot more confidence and feel more planted in all weather's. A very happy customer up to now :happy2: :happy2:
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Every way except longevity. See my post on page 1...
....Is it fair to say that a '4WD'/Haldex car will have slightly more tyre wear?
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Just dragging this post back up because........
New Goodyear Eagle F1's being fitted in the morning, then its off for some extensive road testing :party:
Plenty of moist roads to test them on up here, I don't think I've ever been excited by fitting something so boring as tyre's before, I must be getting old :signLOL: or I'm fed up of the traction control light spoiling the fun recently. I think a Superpro rear engine mount can be ordered as well, while its up on the ramps and I can check which variant I need. At least that counts as an actual mod rather than a necessity..... although it could be argued that its a necessity too!
What's the verdict on the F1's? Quite fancy trying them when my PS3's are done.
Absolutely brilliant compared to the Dunlop's that they replaced and still not run-in etc. They just inspire a lot more confidence and feel more planted in all weather's. A very happy customer up to now :happy2: :happy2:
You won't be happy next week when the tread's gone!
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Every way except longevity. See my post on page 1...
....Is it fair to say that a '4WD'/Haldex car will have slightly more tyre wear?
Probably. More factors include weight and the big lump under the bonnet, but as I said, I got about 16K out of the Michelins and reckon I'll only see half that out of the Goodyears.
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Looks like I'll be getting towards 16k miles out of my GY Asymm2's.
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got 20k out of my fronts. :innocent:
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Has anyone had any experience of Dunlop RT's? They seem to be getting good reviews on Tyre Reviews: http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Dunlop/SportMaxx-RT.htm