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General => Random Chat => Topic started by: Stanipkiss on January 08, 2013, 06:48:28 pm
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Possibly opening a can of worms but i need to say something.
My take on the motorway lanes are as follows
Lane 1 is the inside lane (slow lane)
Lane 2 & 3 are to make progress (ie overtaking lanes)
Why do most drivers feel that the middle lane is ok just to sit in for the duration of their journey?
I drive on the M5 for 30miles in the morning and home again after work and there are evermore middle lane drivers that stay in the middle lane regardless of anyone in front of them.
This just blocks the 2 outer lanes for people that want to make progress (i think thats what its called)
I do have a non motorway route to work but that would take 3-4 times longer which i don't mind using to get to work, but my kids would both be in bed if i took this route home (so not an option)
Does anyone else have opinions on this regardless of motorway miles?
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Frustrates the hell out of me too. I usually flash full beam until they move over.
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^^^ Yeah and then watch them in the rear view mirror move back into the middle lane :fighting: :fighting: idiots
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^^^ Yeah and then watch them in the rear view mirror move back into the middle lane :fighting: :fighting: idiots
Yep had this happen loads some people don't understand the rules of the mtr way
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Worse than that, I'm encountering more and more lane straddlers on the roads. There's a 40mph dual carriage way on to work and frequently has parked cars in the left lane. Majority of drivers would move into the right lane. I don't understand why the rest sit over the middle of the road.
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It does my head in while driving late at night on the 4 lane M25, nothing in sight execpt a lonely car chugging along at 65 in the third lane, means I have to move from lane 1 right out to lane 4 to overtake and then move back to lane 1 :fighting:
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Undertaking. I just love it. :signLOL: :signLOL: Has its moments so be careful
Is it illegal to hog the middle lane?
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Middle lane drivers. Erghhh. Just deserves for this one!! An idiot of the highest degree as they even attempt to stop on the central reservation. The video contains strong language!
Another point though, despite middle lane drivers (and their 3rd lane brothers) being very annoying, what I think annoys me more is people's aggressive response sometimes. I don't get up people's rearend nor do I undertake. I ensure my presence is felt though. Undertaking is impatient and regardless of the excuse, its inconsiderate driving (and people are as likely to be stuck on as the middle lane person!)
@AA: It is illegal to 'sit' in the middle lane when there is an oppertunity for you to move over. It's inconsiderate or careless driving. The Highway Code states that lane 1 is the 'sitting' in lane, and lanes 2 and 3 are to overtake/make progress. I watched a enjoyable court case recently where a gentleman was summonsed to court for careless driving (namely sitting in the middle lane). He took it as a joke, and didn't see ANYTHING wrong with his driving. Funnily enough, he got a big fine and 4 points!
If anyone is local to North London/Hertfordshire, at any time of day, try exiting onto the A1 South from the South Mimms junction. 95% will filter on in lane 1 as per the slip road and immediately drift into the middle lane. Stupidly crazy.
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Even worse are those that think they are traffic Police and sit at 65-70 in the fast lane with a massive queue of frustration building up behind them.
They think "I'm going the speed limit, and so should you be. And no I'm not pulling over to let you pass".
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First lane isn't the slow lane :mad:
Calling it "the slow lane" will automatically deter anyone going over 65mph from using it. This is probably why people sit in the middle lane at 70mph when the left lane is clear because its "the slow lane" - for crawling cars and lorries
I keep left as best as possible, unless I'm overtaking and it wouldn't be worthwhile swapping to the first to have to come back into the middle shortly after.
My rant over :grin:
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YES! It's Lane 1, 2, 3 etc etc!
I simply can't get into the mindsight of these people. What compels them to move into the middle lane and sit.
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They think "I'm going the speed limit, and so should you be. And no I'm not pulling over to let you pass".
Pure arrogance.
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I've tried flashing to them, overtaking then pulling into lane 1 and putting hazards on as if to say "get over to the left"
Most of them are in dream land (autopilot), car all steamed up as they close all the vents, tyres half inflated as they don't maintain their car. . . Brain dead :sick:
People like this cause accidents :fighting:
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I've tried flashing to them, overtaking then pulling into lane 1 and putting hazards on as if to say "get over to the left"
Most of them are in dream land (autopilot), car all steamed up as they close all the vents, tyres half inflated as they don't maintain their car. . . Brain dead :sick:
People like this cause accidents[/size] :fighting:
I also beleive there is some truth in Jeremy Clarkson's belief that you have no need to brake on the motorway (as long as you read the road ahead)
The shed (zafira) in front of me tonight kept hitting the brakes and hard some times for NO apparent reason, i decided to keep my distance till he moved over. Then made sure i stayed ahead.
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Alot of lane 1's are more damaged than other lanes due to the HGV use of this lane . I have driven on some that make it difficult to keep the wheels straight . The general width of HGV's is wider than all other traffic and means when one of the wheels in in a low bit the other wheel is not and causes the steering to wander . Have others experienced this ?
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The problem is lack of motorway driver training , its crazy that for years you could pass your test and then just drive on a motorway !! I spent some time in holland and Belgium and they know alot more about motorway driving , ,you drive in the inside lane , move out to overtake and pull back in again ,simples , nothing hard about it so why cant we do it ??
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I done 134 miles on the M25 today and encountered all this, best one I had today was coming back, someone was coming down the slip onto the motorway and kept braking causing the car in the slow lane to slow to what must have been 30mph or less, luckily I saw it early and got into the middle lane but people like this cause accidents.
The driving test definitely needs improving to include motorways driving and lane discipline etc
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I can understand using the middle lane for a few overtakes / past slip roads etc. but when they refuse to move back in, it simply makes a 3 lane motorway into a dual carrigeway.
For the most part I think there's 2 schools of driver that does this:
1. The lazy driver that knows better but can't be assed to keep swapping lanes (let me generalize: XJ Jag / Lexus GS / Audi A8 / any comfortable cruisers)
2. The incompetent driver that is afraid of moving lanes because they know their sh*te at checking blind spots etc. and its a big deal when they need to make a junction. :scared: (car type: ermm, something cr@p and built in the Far East)
Overall, they are much better at this on the continent. In France / Germany, the overtaking lane, really does mean that, and most people will return back into the driving lane after an overtake.
If someone has their indicator on, people move over... just great that... none of this dangerous slamming brakes on we get here (classic YT video there ^^^).
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I genuinely think there is a large majority who haven't got a f*cking clue that it is wrong. I passed a middle-aged lady in a Corsa at the weekend in the middle of miles of empty motorway, just sitting at 70mph in the middle lane. I pulled up to her on the inside land and waited for her to do something. I moved to the middle, flashed her and waited for something to happen. Nothing. I overtook her and she just looked at me as if to say "what's wrong?". It's just unbelievable. Boils my piss every time I get on a motorway.
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Boils my piss
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If its quiet, like late at night depending on how much it has got to me I sometimes circle them a few times. Then imagine my car having James Bond style metal cutters coming out of the middle of my wheels, followed by some rapid machine gun fire to finish them off and send them flying down the embankment. If I am feeling relaxed I just pull right up on the left side of the car, just out of the other drivers line of sight and stay their as long as I can freaking them out. :innocent:
Crazy and obviously dangerous, but it gets me to my destinations end without ramming them off the road and killing all there family.
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Driving standards are generally blood awful, I spend a lot of time driving for work (360 miles today alone) and just accept I am surrounded by poor drivers so go about my business in the safest way possible :innocent:
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If its quiet, like late at night depending on how much it has got to me I sometimes circle them a few times.
Oh the joy of doing this. :drinking:
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The problem is lack of motorway driver training , its crazy that for years you could pass your test and then just drive on a motorway !! I spent some time in holland and Belgium and they know alot more about motorway driving , ,you drive in the inside lane , move out to overtake and pull back in again ,simples , nothing hard about it so why cant we do it ??
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This is the main problem in the UK IMO. You can get a driving licence without even getting a sniff of the motorway! Then you are expected to know what to do when you get on there for the first time on your own :stupid:
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If its quiet, like late at night depending on how much it has got to me I sometimes circle them a few times. Then imagine my car having James Bond style metal cutters coming out of the middle of my wheels, followed by some rapid machine gun fire to finish them off and send them flying down the embankment. If I am feeling relaxed I just pull right up on the left side of the car, just out of the other drivers line of sight and stay their as long as I can freaking them out. :innocent:
Crazy and obviously dangerous, but it gets me to my destinations end without ramming them off the road and killing all there family.
:signLOL: that's class
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The nearest motorway to me is around 70-80 miles away so I have not had much experience of motorway driving.
But I do know to change lanes, if I am overtaking a car I pull straight back in.
Most of my commute to work is a on a dual carriageway and because of lane hoggers the speed rarely gets above 60mph, most people will sit in the fast lane because they will be turning right in a good few miles
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Can I add:
Lorries overtaking each other on the 2 lane section of the M42! One doing 56mph and the other 56.1! Oh yes and a single flash of the indicator to say; I AM COMING OUT, YOU HAD BETTER F-ING BRAKE HARD!
And what they said ^^^^^
I never used to be this stressed on the motorway until I started doing a 80-mile round trip to work.
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I had someone in front of me tonight (in the overtaking lane, 3rd) and every time someone moved from lane 1 to the middle lane she jumped on the anchors.
WTF goes through some peoples minds?
Moving into the middle lane when there is no one in front of them in the first lane...f*cking clueless.
I hate the M62 and I use it 5 days a week Bradford to Manchester and back.
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The problem is lack of motorway driver training , its crazy that for years you could pass your test and then just drive on a motorway !! I spent some time in holland and Belgium and they know alot more about motorway driving , ,you drive in the inside lane , move out to overtake and pull back in again ,simples , nothing hard about it so why cant we do it ??
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This is the main problem in the UK IMO. You can get a driving licence without even getting a sniff of the motorway! Then you are expected to know what to do when you get on there for the first time on your own :stupid:
But then, people won't PAY for PassPlus if motorway driving is introduced to the driving test. It is after illegal for Learners to be on the motorway in the place - but I see there are plans afoot to change this.
Driving in the UK is awful.
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Usually women... or non natives..... :innocent:
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I too find middle lane hoggers to be frustrating and perhaps the righthand lane hoggers on 2-lane dual carriageways to be even worse. I always like to keep a safe braking distance from the car in front but sometimes you just have to rush up on them to get them to change lane to let you pass. Having DRL's definitely helps in being seen.
Another tactic I use is to straddle the lanes so that they think I might consider undertaking them. It also seems to attract their attention more easily because they probably see my lefthand DRL in their passenger side wing mirror. I don't know why it works but it does. You have to be careful flashing someone because it can have the opposite effect. If someone sees me approaching and moves over for me I usually wave acknowledgement.
I also lift off the throttle to let someone out if they are fast approaching a slower vehicle in front of them rather than cause them to brake hard or worse, suddenly pull out into my lane. Most are grateful and acknowledge me and then they move over to let me past after their overtake. I nearly always accelerate hard past them if the road ahead is clear.
I think that most middle lane hoggers are totally ignorant of what they are doing - They simply don't understand. You occsionally see the overhead lit message signs about lane discipline but not often enough. There ought to be a full-on national campaign to make drivers aware.
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Luckily i very rarely use motorways as the nearest one is well over 100miles away from me but people here do it on dual carraige ways and have the usual attitude of 'im doing 70 and so should you' which gives me the rage big time, its so frustrating because there is nothing you can do. Theres one bit of dual carraige way in particular and people postion themselves for the roundabout as the join the road previous, 2 miles away from said roundabout :fighting: WTF is that all about, like that lane isnt going to be there in 1.75miles time!
Also i did pass plus so i understand how the motorway works and other roads, its not like its complicated at all (i seriously worry about some peoples cognitive capacity) but doing it just to get a license would be mental, i would have to drive 2 and a half hours now to get to the nearest motorway, a learner is going to easily add another hour on to this time, at £30 an hour it would cost someone £210 just to get the motorway and back without learning and 80% (if not more) of people won't ever leave Cornwall (i know a lot that dont leave their town/village)
Rant over :signLOL:
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Yup one of my pet hates, think it only needs for everyone doing it to be prosecuted and slapped with 4-6 points and a £200-500 fine and they wont do it again.
It should be COMPULSORY on the test to have at least 3-4 hours training on motorways, no training = no motorways
I remember when I was learning to drive (1991) my father had my instructor take me on the motorway 3 times before I was allowed to go on them in his car :happy2:
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^^^I did something similar. Once I got comfortable with handling my first car, I got back in touch with my old driving instructor and we did motorways and other advanced motoring type stuff. Even then, when I did go on the motorways, I had my father with me for the first few times. Reasonably confident enough to do it after that and not had any issues to date.
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Another problem is inabilty to merge, nothing worse than someone pulling straight in front of you doing 55mph when you are at 70mph and expect you to brake hard. They seem to think you indicate and then just pull out into traffic.
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One thing that makes things worse RAIN!!
My drive home this evening was the worst for weeks just because it was drizzling.
Most drivers want to just sit in the middle lane coz then they have a cushion of either a lane or a car beside them before they hit the ditch or central barrier.
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Totally agree with the sentiment on this, there should be mounted camera system on police cars that can send out fines for this
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Totally agree with the sentiment on this, there should be mounted camera system on police cars that can send out fines for this
....Some Police cars already have onboard cameras so it wouold be just a matter of logging in the info.
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Driving back from Reading last night and the amount of PLEBS sat i the middle lane on M4/M5 was ridiculous, nothing in inside lane every time (unless they were overtaking the car in front which was still 2.5 miles ahead) :fighting:
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Driving back from Reading last night and the amount of PLEBS sat i the middle lane on M4/M5 was ridiculous, nothing in inside lane every time (unless they were overtaking the car in front which was still 2.5 miles ahead) :fighting:
....Feckin' PLEBS, eh? - Bomb the barstewardss!! :fighting:
Is "plebs" supposed to be a politically incorrect term now? Perhaps even considered as offensive language? - Ridiculous if it is! I think the word comes from the Latin but my schoolboy Latin is a bit rusty after 50 years. I was taught by a WW1 cavalry Major with whistling false teeth and who was called Major Mash*ter! How ridiculous was that 'Plebgate' affair - Such a waste of everything on all levels and a perfect example of the media gone mad.
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Yeah, plebeian is a Latin word. It was always used to describe the lower or middle classes, another way of saying someone is a commoner. However you dress it up it's hardly a compliment.
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Well, I'd rather just think of some middle-lane hogger as a stupid pleb than feel road rage over it.
Anyway, if you went to certain public schools, you were taught in my day that everyone else is a pleb. And if you went to Eton it was drummed into you that you are superior. Quite right too, eh what!
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Alot of lane 1's are more damaged than other lanes due to the HGV use of this lane . I have driven on some that make it difficult to keep the wheels straight . The general width of HGV's is wider than all other traffic and means when one of the wheels in in a low bit the other wheel is not and causes the steering to wander . Have others experienced this ?
You think they are bad in a car, Try it in an hgv, Loaded up to 43 tonnes when the trailer is in the rut but the cab isn't! You use muscles in your arse you never even knew you had!
I had one yesterday. A woman in a 59 plate astra going down the M62. I joined from the M60 heading towards Liverpool and she was doing 50mph in the inside lane. I move out to overtake her and the lorry infront of her then she pulls out as I am half a car length off her right into my path! Then decides to match my speed all down the motorway right up to the M6 turnoff, when she finally moved over and let me past. Lucky for me I was travelling back empty skel (No box on the back, Just the skeletal trailer) and was quicker than the other trucks on the road at the time (Hence me overtaking all the other trucks with ease). Moving out to the outside lane is not an option as HGVs are banned from the outside lane.
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Tonight I had 3 RR Evoques just sitting in the middle lane.
1 of them sat in the 3rd lane of 4 before it goes to 3 and nothing in the 2 inner lanes! URRRRRGG I need some bond toys on my car!!! Missiles would be best in place of full beam flash!
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Tonight I had 3 RR Evoques just sitting in the middle lane.
1 of them sat in the 3rd lane of 4 before it goes to 3 and nothing in the 2 inner lanes! URRRRRGG I need some bond toys on my car!!! Missiles would be best in place of full beam flash!
Ahh yes... the evoque wankers... they love sitting in the middle lane!!
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Get a megaphone fitted to the top of your car ;) :mad:
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Coming back from Southampton earlier, on the M3 there was a guy sat in the middle lane in a 12 reg Focus on his phone doing 60mph with the inside lane completely clear. Normally i don't undertake people BUT i couldn't resist it.
He was less than happy!
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Personal mission to alert middle lane drivers to their errors. Couple of bursts of high beam then outside lane and cut back in (safety) across the middle lane to the inside to highlight correct motoring. I wouldn't recommend undertaking.
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Personal mission to alert middle lane drivers to their errors. Couple of bursts of high beam then outside lane and cut back in (safety) across the middle lane to the inside to highlight correct motoring. I wouldn't recommend undertaking.
....That's exactly what I sometimes do (providing, like you, the conditions allow doing so safely and with plenty of room). But it's amazing what a small percentage of drivers take any notice and they continue plodding on in the middle lane. I expect that some of them even say to their passengers: "Look at that fool, changing from lane to lane!"
Approaching them fast from behind can get them moving lane but it's not something I like to do.
You can lead a horse (in this case a donkey) to water but you can't make him drink.
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Brilliant :grin:
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That really is good! Very funny :signLOL:
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Nice, they have just put plenty of gantries above the M5 & M4 around Bristol, I would love these sign up!!
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Nice, they have just put plenty of gantries above the M5 & M4 around Bristol, I would love these sign up!!
....What's the betting that those are for speed cameras like on the wretched M42(?) Birmingham - Coventry? Every 500 ft - Drives my PogoAlert and me mad!
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Saw the picture and thought this was the perfect place for it!
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Had a chat with a traffic plod friend of mine over the weekend who advised me that they are looking to make poor lane discipline on the multi-lane carriageways an endorsable offence under reforms to the Road Traffic Act being considered at the moment. :fighting:
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Had a chat with a traffic plod friend of mine over the weekend who advised me that they are looking to make poor lane discipline on the multi-lane carriageways an endorsable offence under reforms to the Road Traffic Act being considered at the moment. :fighting:
:congrats: :congrats:
Good, might ease up traffic caused by these morons
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Had a chat with a traffic plod friend of mine over the weekend who advised me that they are looking to make poor lane discipline on the multi-lane carriageways an endorsable offence under reforms to the Road Traffic Act being considered at the moment. :fighting:
....About time too!
Some new cars have got beep alerts every time you cross a white line? - How does that annoying beep get actioned? Every time you change lane? :stupid:
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My drive home tonight was interesting, saw a bright light driving along the motorway (first thought aliens). Getting closer turns out to be a Citroen C1 with what must have been a 32" sat nav attached to the windscreen in DAYLIGHT MODE :stupid:. As i passed i could see the middle age driver leaning forward what looked like squinting because it was so bloody bright, it almost blinded me when i changed to the outside lane to overtake.
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So here is a question, you're doing 80 in the middle lane on the motorway and the lane to your left has some cars in it in the distance and the lane to your right is clear. A car comes up behind you - do you move over to the slow lane or let him overtake you by making him use the right lane??
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I think it depends how far in the distance those to your left are. If you're catching up to them quick, it's easier to stay where you are and let the other person overtake you.
I was always taught that you should always stick to the left hand lane unless overtaking.
But as I do the majority of the overtaking, I'm usually in the middle or right hand lanes :)
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I think it depends how far in the distance those to your left are. If you're catching up to them quick, it's easier to stay where you are and let the other person overtake you.
I was always taught that you should always stick to the left hand lane unless overtaking.
But as I do the majority of the overtaking, I'm usually in the middle or right hand lanes :)
That's exactly what I do :happy2:
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Great minds and all that, lol.
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So here is a question, you're doing 80 in the middle lane on the motorway and the lane to your left has some cars in it in the distance and the lane to your right is clear. A car comes up behind you - do you move over to the slow lane or let him overtake you by making him use the right lane??
So basically your hogging the middle lane. The car behind you is traveling faster so you move over for it
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So here is a question, you're doing 80 in the middle lane on the motorway
If you're not overtaking someone, why are you in the middle lane?
If you've just overtaken someone and there are cars in the left lane further up, I may stay in the middle lane if I'm going to be in the left lane for less than 10 seconds. In which case, stay in the middle lane and let them overtake you. That's why there are three lanes and not two.
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I was always taught you should stick to the outside lane unless undertaking. :evilgrin:
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If you're not overtaking someone, why are you in the middle lane?
If you've just overtaken someone and there are cars in the left lane further up, I may stay in the middle lane if I'm going to be in the left lane for less than 10 seconds. In which case, stay in the middle lane and let them overtake you. That's why there are three lanes and not two.
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You judge the RELATIVE speeds and closing distances of all the vehicles in your sight and act accordingly. Which means that you might stay in the middle lane until you can change lane without cutting in or bullying anyone. The faster car behind you should be able read your relative speed to other vehicles in the same way you can and then he/she can act accordingly - Which means that he'll either overtake in the righthand lane, or slow down and be patient.
And also factor-in braking distances.
Always look a long way ahead and not just the rear of the vehicle in front of you. Read the road - It's simple.
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Oh my days these people actually make my blood boil. Boxing Day made the 360 mile trip from Somerset to my mums house in Lake District. 300 miles of it are motorway. I spent most of the journey there and back going mad at people in middle lane most of which going slower then the cars in slow lane. One ass hole In a merc hogging middle lane doing 60mph I overtook pulled back across him into slow lane only for him to overtake me and stay along side me for about 6 miles only for me to overtake again. If I didn't have my daughter in car I think I would have put my old rusty 306 straight in the side of him lol. There need to be a law for these people loads fines then maybe try will stop and also government spend money on sorting out sh*te roads rant over I feel better
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If you're not overtaking someone, why are you in the middle lane?
If you've just overtaken someone and there are cars in the left lane further up, I may stay in the middle lane if I'm going to be in the left lane for less than 10 seconds. In which case, stay in the middle lane and let them overtake you. That's why there are three lanes and not two.
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You judge the RELATIVE speeds and closing distances of all the vehicles in your sight and act accordingly. Which means that you might stay in the middle lane until you can change lane without cutting in or bullying anyone. The faster car behind you should be able read your relative speed to other vehicles in the same way you can and then he/she can act accordingly - Which means that he'll either overtake in the righthand lane, or slow down and be patient.
And also factor-in braking distances.
Always look a long way ahead and not just the rear of the vehicle in front of you. Read the road - It's simple.
Exactly that.
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I'm not trying to justify the hogging of the middle lane.
What about the elements of the large lorries that dominate the 1st lane, plus caravans and those of the slower disposition. Is it more dangerous and increasing the chances of accidents occurring from people that are already incompetent at driving, moving from the 1st to the 2nd lane and back again more often?
I'm not a middle lane hogger myself, its just that sometimes I have a squeaky bum time from retards braking, lane changing (especially without indicating) and generally moving road position. Is it easier to leave the mongs in one place then the more aware people of the world can work around them? :happy2:
Again, I'm not defending the idiots. Sometimes giving people responsibility for themselves, a 1 tonne vehicle and reading the road situation isn't great!?
Which comes into play the argument of extra driving training and stronger policing? Or is it more dangerous a poor driver on the road or someone speeding?
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So here is a question, you're doing 80 in the middle lane on the motorway and the lane to your left has some cars in it in the distance and the lane to your right is clear. A car comes up behind you - do you move over to the slow lane or let him overtake you by making him use the right lane??
I think the fact you call it the slow lane means you think it doesn't mean it's for you. I bet you also call the outside lane the fast lane when in fact you can do any speed in any of the lanes conditions permitting.
By labelling them slow and fast you imply their usage. Better to call the inside, middle and outside and remove the speed label. :smiley:
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I think the fact you call it the slow lane means you think it doesn't mean it's for you. I bet you also call the outside lane the fast lane when in fact you can do any speed in any of the lanes conditions permitting.
By labelling them slow and fast you imply their usage. Better to call the inside, middle and outside and remove the speed label. :smiley:
....Hear! Hear! :congrats: :congrats: :congrats: :congrats:
That's step one in the education and a very fundamental step.
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I think the fact you call it the slow lane means you think it doesn't mean it's for you. I bet you also call the outside lane the fast lane when in fact you can do any speed in any of the lanes conditions permitting.
By labelling them slow and fast you imply their usage. Better to call the inside, middle and outside and remove the speed label. :smiley:
....Hear! Hear! :congrats: :congrats: :congrats: :congrats:
That's step one in the education and a very fundamental step.
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I'm not trying to justify the hogging of the middle lane.
What about the elements of the large lorries that dominate the 1st lane, plus caravans and those of the slower disposition. Is it more dangerous and increasing the chances of accidents occurring from people that are already incompetent at driving, moving from the 1st to the 2nd lane and back again more often?
I'm not a middle lane hogger myself, its just that sometimes I have a squeaky bum time from retards braking, lane changing (especially without indicating) and generally moving road position. Is it easier to leave the mongs in one place then the more aware people of the world can work around them? :happy2:
Again, I'm not defending the idiots. Sometimes giving people responsibility for themselves, a 1 tonne vehicle and reading the road situation isn't great!?
Which comes into play the argument of extra driving training and stronger policing? Or is it more dangerous a poor driver on the road or someone speeding?
....That's a good point (in bold) - Unfortunately! You can tell by their car's 'body language' that they lack both skill and confidence (and car performance) and are reluctant to change lanes unless they absolutely have to. These are often the same drivers who are tucked up really close to the back of a truck with powerful air brakes and they don't even have time to react, let alone see what's ahead.
If I'm travelling in the middle lane while there isn't the space to safely (and without bullying) go back to the inside lane yet, and I see a car rapidly shortening its distance to the vehicle in front of him/her, I will move to the outside lane (if clear) just so he doesn't have to brake hard and so he/she can smoothly pull out into the middle lane.
The great thing about driving a higher performance car (like most of us forumites do) is that you have the power to change lanes quickly and safely - With power comes responsibility. You also have the speed to make progress and leave these groups of poor drivers behind to sort themselves out (or not!). Driving a performance car is just soooo less stressful than one which isn't.
A high percentage of middle lane hoggers are either ignorant (as drivers) or just lazy feckers.
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The motorway has an inside lane and then two or three over taking lanes.
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I spent most of my journey home tonight being blinded by badly fitted HID headlights.
Now I dont want to offend anyone who has them on here but they are F**king annoying
A Seat Ibiza decided to overtake, slowdown, overtake and slowdown again and again and again. No matter what speed i did (got down to 60 at one point) This car still went slower.
My rear view mirror was dimmed down but can you make it darker??
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Hmmmm! I think people need to take other elements into this discussion.
When the first motorway was built in the 1950s (I think), I don't think they took into consideration the growth of the amount of vehicles there will be on the road. Hence the motorways weren't designed for the modern volume of traffic. We need to take into consideration the initial traffic compared to now? How much and the distanced travelled by people commuting to work compared to now? The amount of haulage upon the roads at any one time?
I think just the fact that there are more cars more often on the roads means that the 1st lane cannot accommodate the traffic alone so the 2nd lane has now to be used.
In countries like America and China they are more aware of the traffic burden and have built larger 'super highways'
Just my thoughts, again not defending middle lane hoggers. :stupid:
Let the abuse begin. :mad:
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Hmmmm! I think people need to take other elements into this discussion.
When the first motorway was built in the 1950s (I think), I don't think they took into consideration the growth of the amount of vehicles there will be on the road. Hence the motorways weren't designed for the modern volume of traffic. We need to take into consideration the initial traffic compared to now? How much and the distanced travelled by people commuting to work compared to now? The amount of haulage upon the roads at any one time?
I think just the fact that there are more cars more often on the roads means that the 1st lane cannot accommodate the traffic alone so the 2nd lane has now to be used.
In countries like America and China they are more aware of the traffic burden and have built larger 'super highways'
Just my thoughts, again not defending middle lane hoggers. :stupid:
Let the abuse begin. :mad:
....No, you are right about the original motorways. Also the UK rarely spends enough money on transport infrastructures with a longer term future in mind, unlike the French for example. However, in my opinion, middle lane hogging is only acceptable when the inside lane is not free enough of traffic to allow SAFE swopping of lanes as you make progress overtaking.
It's not safe to cause others to brake while you cut in and out just to grab the inside lane. You should always use the inside lane when you consider it safe to do so. However, when I see a junction with slip roads, unless there's a huge area of visibility, I usually swop lanes to leave the inside lane free for those vehicles joining from the slip road.
Isn't all this common sense?
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Hmmmm! I think people need to take other elements into this discussion.
When the first motorway was built in the 1950s (I think), I don't think they took into consideration the growth of the amount of vehicles there will be on the road. Hence the motorways weren't designed for the modern volume of traffic. We need to take into consideration the initial traffic compared to now? How much and the distanced travelled by people commuting to work compared to now? The amount of haulage upon the roads at any one time?
I think just the fact that there are more cars more often on the roads means that the 1st lane cannot accommodate the traffic alone so the 2nd lane has now to be used.
In countries like America and China they are more aware of the traffic burden and have built larger 'super highways'
Just my thoughts, again not defending middle lane hoggers. :stupid:
Let the abuse begin. :mad:
....No, you are right about the original motorways. Also the UK rarely spends enough money on transport infrastructures with a longer term future in mind, unlike the French for example. However, in my opinion, middle lane hogging is only acceptable when the inside lane is not free enough of traffic to allow SAFE swopping of lanes as you make progress overtaking.
It's not safe to cause others to brake while you cut in and out just to grab the inside lane. You should always use the inside lane when you consider it safe to do so. However, when I see a junction with slip roads, unless there's a huge area of visibility, I usually swop lanes to leave the inside lane free for those vehicles joining from the slip road.
Isn't all this common sense?
You would have thought so but obviously not based on what we witness on the motorways currently.
Some good points in those posts :happy2:
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having just completed a round trip from central Scotland > Somerset, the amount of 'repmobile' middle lane hoggers was shocking...and I mean when there were no vehicles in the left-hand lane for miles at a time. Pity I was in a company vehicle :fighting:
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having just completed a round trip from central Scotland > Somerset, the amount of 'repmobile' middle lane hoggers was shocking...and I mean when there were no vehicles in the left-hand lane for miles at a time. Pity I was in a company vehicle :fighting:
I find the M6 Toll road the worst place for this behavior
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having just completed a round trip from central Scotland > Somerset, the amount of 'repmobile' middle lane hoggers was shocking...and I mean when there were no vehicles in the left-hand lane for miles at a time. Pity I was in a company vehicle :fighting:
I find the M6 Toll road the worst place for this behavior
Not sure if you can say that the M6 toll road is the worst, I think the culture of middle laners is present on all motorways.
Tomorrow I will be travelling from Somerset to Crawley and will drive on M5,M4,M3,M25 and the M23 and back again and I bet that all of them have the same middle lane culture. It will be different cars, drivers of different ages but they all like to middle lane drive.
Someone once said on here "Boils my piss" and this driving habit does every time i do this journey.