MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: gazon69 on January 20, 2013, 03:49:00 pm
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This was checked back in may, hence my fueling problem, now i got all sorts of sh*t to replace.
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Jesus H!!! :surprised:
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Please tell me that wasn't a cam follower...
Car details!?
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Please tell me that wasn't a cam follower...
Ok, it wasn't a cam follower... :laugh:
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Jesus H!!! :surprised:
Someone called? :innocent:
OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG!! :surprised:
That is unbelieeeeeevable!
My fears would be around where the bits have gone! :scared:
Have you had a look at the cam lobe?
Dropped the oil and done a flush?
Changed the filter?
What does the hpfp piston end look like?
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Holy cr@p!!!! :sick: ^^^^^^What he said!!
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Uprated HPFP casue this?
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Uprated HPFP casue this?
Not the cause though an uprated hpfp may accelerate follower wear.
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Uprated HPFP casue this?
Not the cause though an uprated hpfp may accelerate follower wear.
That's not accelerated wear, that's been eaten! :sick:
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Can I take it that the cam follower was replaced last May?
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:surprised:As John mentions i hope you find the missing bits
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Well he hasn't said it's a cam follower yet.
Fooking disastrous if it is. Couple of oil flushes at least and sieve for the bits.
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Right, yes that WAS a follower. The cam is totally f*cked. I can see through the head and yes hpfp is also f*cked. Yes it was replaced 18 months ago and checked last may and all was sweet with it. Just goes to show, from now on it will b changed every 6 months. Very harsh lesson indeed. Been told bits that broke off should be in head still as there's no where for then to go. Dont know if thats right though so dont quote me on that.
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Anyone know how much a new cam is.
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Is this a GTi or edition 30?
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Holy sh*t, i keep saying im gonna get mine checked....this is the final straw....calling Statllers tomorrow :confused:
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The bits can get everywhere.
Cam is around 150. I charge around 4 hours labour plus parts plus oil and filter.
I check the follower on the vRS every 5k. Any wear at all and it gets a new one.
All new customers to me get the option of having the follower checked when the come in. Most say yes when I show them what can happen witth the worn and broken ones I keep.
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Is this a GTi or edition 30?
gti running k04 hybrid
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Is this a GTi or edition 30?
gti running k04 hybrid
which hpfp, standard?
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So GTi engine code with a non revised cam...
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The bits can get everwhere
great :sad1: :sick:
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Is this a GTi or edition 30?
gti running k04 hybrid
which hpfp, standard?
autotech
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So GTi engine code with a non revised cam...
should it have had a revised cam :scared:
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Is the cam lobe shiny or dull?
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One of the main things to get flushed fully for me is the turbo. Plus supply/ return pipes. The last thing you want is anything fouling the turbo. :smiley:
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One of the main things to get flushed fully for me is the turbo. Plus supply/ return pipes. The last thing you want is anything fouling the turbo. :smiley:
yes iknow all about going through turbos-well on a sooty any way :signLOL:
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Is the cam lobe shiny or dull?
dull in parts
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Is the cam lobe shiny or dull?
dull in parts
You got a pic of the cam?
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Renew my cam follower at 5k regardless. Going to make sure its checked after any track time or hard use too.
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Yes mike. If i knew how easy it was to check in the first place then i would have prob done it myself rather than go on the word of other people. Shall also be replacing mine every 5k now regardless of whether is worn at all or not. Its a costly mistake to make i can tell you that. Put it this way, its my rod and piston money down the swan ffs :sad1:
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Renew my cam follower at 5k regardless. Going to make sure its checked after any track time or hard use too.
Should be ok for about 2 years then...
(sorry... you walking into that mate)
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Only 2 years? :signLOL:
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PS Really sorry to hear it Gaz, its something I thought wouldve been checked as a matter of course on the Tfsi :sad1:
And its done 5k since Jan '12 but I proba wont drive it until March this year lol
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How easy is it to check? Is there a decent writeup? Video?
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How easy is it to check? Is there a decent writeup? Video?
Good video:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,59369.0.html
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How easy is it to check? Is there a decent writeup? Video?
There is a guide on how to change the follower Dom, I'll try and find it it's resally easy.
*** EDIT *** Found a link for you ^^^^^^^ Haha :grin:
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jeez, :confused:
mine was checked last service and ok, but am now thinking will change anyway as done over 5k on it :sad1:
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jeez, :confused:
mine was checked last service and ok, but am now thinking will change anyway as done over 5k on it :sad1:
Just bought one from VW £28 including VAT,will be fitting later this week :happy2:
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jeez, :confused:
mine was checked last service and ok, but am now thinking will change anyway as done over 5k on it :sad1:
Just bought one from VW £28 including VAT,will be fitting later this week :happy2:
you got part number to save me trawling for it Ian?
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you got part number to save me trawling for it Ian?
06D109309C
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I think it is just as important to check the cam as well as the follower.
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General statistics for 'Camfollower'
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=7063;sa=statPanel (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=7063;sa=statPanel)
:grin: :signLOL:
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PS Really sorry to hear it Gaz, its something I thought wouldve been checked as a matter of course on the Tfsi :sad1:
And its done 5k since Jan '12 but I proba wont drive it until March this year lol
no worries mate, sh*t happens i suppose. You live and learn mate. Something tells me its always the hard way in my case
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Does this affect a certain engine type more than others?
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Does this affect a certain engine type more than others?
its the hpfp's that speed up the wear process i'm lead to believe
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Does this affect a certain engine type more than others?
its the hpfp's that speed up the wear process i'm lead to believe
Makes sense really as the uprated HPFP produces up to 130BAR pressure and its powered by the cam so more fuel to pressurise, more pressure on the piston = more pressure on the follower and therefore more wear. Simples
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:scared: worrying about mine now, is it done with a vw service or cam belt or done ever? Mines 06 with 37k on the clocks FVWSH.
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^^^ It's only changed by VW if you destroy it and your cam.
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Is this a JOKE??? :signLOL:
Come clean Gaz. :laugh:
That can't be real. Can it? :surprised:
Autotech you say? :scared: Id better check mine.
….Alex, Can you remember what my mileage was when you changed mine last? I dont think ive done 5K since.
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:scared: worrying about mine now, is it done with a vw service or cam belt or done ever? Mines 06 with 37k on the clocks FVWSH.
It's opposite side of the engine to the cambelt and nothing really to do with it. Just a design flaw in the engine which VW resolved on the later TSI engine
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Is this a JOKE??? :signLOL:
Come clean Gaz. :laugh:
That can't be real. Can it? :surprised:
Autotech you say? :scared: Id better check mine.
….Alex, Can you remember what my mileage was when you changed mine last? I dont think ive done 5K since.
Its real. Quite a bit of damage on Gaz's engine.
Monte, when are you coming down for the intercooler fit? I can check the follower then for you.
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Is this a JOKE??? :signLOL:
Come clean Gaz. :laugh:
That can't be real. Can it? :surprised:
Autotech you say? :scared: Id better check mine.
….Alex, Can you remember what my mileage was when you changed mine last? I dont think ive done 5K since.
Its real. Quite a bit of damage on Gaz's engine.
Monte, when are you coming down for the intercooler fit? I can check the follower then for you.
I am 100% mate :happy2:
Won't go anywhere else now buddy :notworthy:
I was thinking about coming down with Mike when he gets home....
(Unless he finds out he is staying longer)
My 5th service will be due then too, if you could oblige? :happy2:
(Although I already have my oil, if that's ok?)
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Is this a JOKE??? :signLOL:
Come clean Gaz. :laugh:
That can't be real. Can it? :surprised:
Autotech you say? :scared: Id better check mine.
….Alex, Can you remember what my mileage was when you changed mine last? I dont think ive done 5K since.
Its real. Quite a bit of damage on Gaz's engine.
Monte, when are you coming down for the intercooler fit? I can check the follower then for you.
I am 100% mate :happy2:
Won't go anywhere else now buddy :notworthy:
I was thinking about coming down with Mike when he gets home....
(Unless he finds out he is staying longer)
My 5th service will be due then too, if you could oblige? :happy2:
(Although I already have my oil, if that's ok?)
I'll keep you posted best I can Carlo. Looking at collecting my car March pay weekend as if stands. :happy2:
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:scared: worrying about mine now, is it done with a vw service or cam belt or done ever? Mines 06 with 37k on the clocks FVWSH.
It's opposite side of the engine to the cambelt and nothing really to do with it. Just a design flaw in the engine which VW resolved on the later TSI engine
Fan friggin tastic!!! Better book her in for it to be changed then!
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Is this a JOKE??? :signLOL:
Come clean Gaz. :laugh:
That can't be real. Can it? :surprised:
Autotech you say? :scared: Id better check mine.
….Alex, Can you remember what my mileage was when you changed mine last? I dont think ive done 5K since.
i wish i was joking mate. A quick pic of it partly stripped. Will get the rest up when i get chance.
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Thats truly shocking
i thought VW America was honouring any cam foolower failures and associated failures like camshafts and replacing free of charge?
i know this is America im talking about but surely could argue the toss with UK vw?
I dont see how its the uprated HPFP that causes the wear? the map is what sets the fuel pressure not the pump?
If you have a mapped car and are using a standard pump it will still try to request the upper limit , it might not meet it.
Its still the same pump on the same spring and same cam follower , the piston is slightly changed to create more displacement / pressure.
Thats my understanding anyway
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this is a concern!!!!!! my follower which was replaced November 2011 failed in December of last year.......exactly the same as yours has! split in half and not worn just literally the bottom fell off :driver: maybe there is a dodgy batch going around!
cost me a new cam
new set of autotech internals
hpfp housing
and my sump to be removed to get all the other bits of metal out
this is a worry now :confused:
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Do they not to an uprated one that isnt design to eat itself? Seems a little bit ridiculous! :confused:
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http://www.kmdtuning.com/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=1426
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http://www.kmdtuning.com/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=1426
every 5k for me now without fail. Lesson learned. :sad1:
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http://www.kmdtuning.com/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=1426
Anyone tried this? Worth trying?
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http://www.kmdtuning.com/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=1426
I wouldn't use that one as the cam surface isn't anti-wear coated...
If you really want to sort this issue out you need to get the H2Sport Fuel Pump Drive Upgrade solution.
http://www.h2salesandservice.com/Fuel-Pump-Upgrade-p/h2s-06f-103-498.htm
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For how easy they are to change and price i will check mine every 3months and change every 5k regardless of wear.
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http://www.kmdtuning.com/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=1426
Nice one, ive been looking through my reciepts and i have nothing to say this has ever been changed. Do i get vw to do it (as i have 11month warranty left) or do i just order the uprated one and do it myself? As i don't want to void my warranty (although they wouldn't be able to tell i had changed it) or just leave it and if it goes they'll have to cover the cost of the damage it causes?
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http://www.kmdtuning.com/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=1426
I wouldn't use that one as the cam surface isn't anti-wear coated...
If you really want to sort this issue out you need to get the H2Sport Fuel Pump Drive Upgrade solution.
http://www.h2salesandservice.com/Fuel-Pump-Upgrade-p/h2s-06f-103-498.htm
Now that looks interesting. Im suprised it s the first time Ive seen it! Would uprated HPFP work fine with these you reckon?
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http://www.kmdtuning.com/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=1426
I wouldn't use that one as the cam surface isn't anti-wear coated...
If you really want to sort this issue out you need to get the H2Sport Fuel Pump Drive Upgrade solution.
http://www.h2salesandservice.com/Fuel-Pump-Upgrade-p/h2s-06f-103-498.htm
They were raving about these a while back, but then they ran into cam issues. The in- house mods yo the cam and housing Made up for it though.
Now that looks interesting. Im suprised it s the first time Ive seen it! Would uprated HPFP work fine with these you reckon?
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Stick with OEM parts :happy2: & Changing @5K? I would say every 20K or more even...
obviously not read the rest of the thread :stupid:
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Stick with OEM parts :happy2: & Changing @5K? I would say every 20K or more even...
obviously not read the rest of the thread :stupid:
My bad...
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Stick with OEM parts :happy2: & Changing @5K? I would say every 20K or more even...
obviously not read the rest of the thread :stupid:
My bad...
Long day Dave, lol :P
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This must be more of an issue for remapped cars cause i'm sure mine won't have been changed in the 33k miles it has done.
But seeing as i'm planning on remapping in the next month or so I guess I should get it changed now.
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http://www.kmdtuning.com/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=1426
I wouldn't use that one as the cam surface isn't anti-wear coated...
If you really want to sort this issue out you need to get the H2Sport Fuel Pump Drive Upgrade solution.
http://www.h2salesandservice.com/Fuel-Pump-Upgrade-p/h2s-06f-103-498.htm
Been around for years. Its made by INA for H2S. I can get them from INA.
Follower failures are still fairly rare tbh.
Now that looks interesting. Im suprised it s the first time Ive seen it! Would uprated HPFP work fine with these you reckon?
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http://www.kmdtuning.com/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=1426
AVOID! They are utter crap and fail. This is from experience after fitted a few at a previous employer. :happy2:
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this stuff always puts me off tfsi!
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this stuff always puts me off tfsi!
why. Its a solid engine, depends how you push it i suppose. I know i'm pushing the boundaries with mine and it'llnonly be a matter of time before something else goes. The money i have spent on the repair for this was for rods and pistons . Knowing my luck i'll get those sorted and it'll bend a feckin rod :sad1:
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Please correct me if I'm wrong but from what i have read the 3 main causes for excessive wear/ failures on the follower are
A revision 'a' cam that is worn where the uneven surface will literally eat away at the follower.
Uprated HPFP that put more pressure on the cam and follower
High revs which put more pressure on the cam and follower
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How does the TSI engine work with it's vacuum pump to avoid this then?
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How does the TSI engine work with it's vacuum pump to avoid this then?
It doesn't as far as I know.
It uses a roller follower (like a wheel) that rolls over the cam rather than slide over it like the TFSI one does.
IIRC someone made a roller follower for the TFSI but was £MEGA so cheaper to keep replacing your follower :sad1:
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Please correct me if I'm wrong but from what i have read the 3 main causes for excessive wear/ failures on the follower are
A revision 'a' cam that is worn where the uneven surface will literally eat away at the follower.
Uprated HPFP that put more pressure on the cam and follower
High revs which put more pressure on the cam and follower
Correct on all 3... well maybe the first 2 unless the rev limiter has been raised then 3
As an engine builder for 7 years this is my take on the fueling issues and fuel pump wear.
A worn cam lobe will give you less "stroke" to start with and putting a new follower against the worn lobe will not last as the surface hardness has gone from the lobe and will eat the new follower very quickly. I think some of the fueling issues on mapped engines will show up when the stroke of the cam is starting to diminish resulting in less fuel delivery, So the first port of call is to fit a HPFP this puts more force on the already worn surfaces and will in the end wipe the lot out just has the OP has found out.
I'm afraid if your follower has worn then the lobe is to... Eventually a new cam shaft and follower will be needed to be fitted at the same time.... The roller follower kit looks like it would be the way to go... very nice.
We were always told it is not good practice to put a new follower against an old cam shaft... Well that's my take on it anyway :wink:
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Please correct me if I'm wrong but from what i have read the 3 main causes for excessive wear/ failures on the follower are
A revision 'a' cam that is worn where the uneven surface will literally eat away at the follower.
Uprated HPFP that put more pressure on the cam and follower
High revs which put more pressure on the cam and follower
Correct on all 3... well maybe the first 2 unless the rev limiter has been raised then 3
As an engine builder for 7 years this is my take on the fueling issues and fuel pump ware.
A worn cam lobe will give you less "stroke" to start with and putting a new follower against the worn lobe will not last as the surface hardness has gone from the lobe and will eat the new follower very quickly. I think some of the fueling issues on mapped engines will show up when the stroke of the cam is starting to diminish resulting in less fuel delivery, So the first port of call is to fit a HPFP this puts more force on the already worn surfaces and will in the end wipe the lot out just has the OP has found out.
I'm afraid if your follower has worn then the lobe is to... Eventually a new cam shaft and follower will be needed to be fitted at the same time.... The roller follower kit looks like it would be the way to go... very nice.
We were always told it is not good practice to put a new follower against an old cam shaft... Well that's my take on it anyway :wink:
Good post. I think it's worth noting that in an ideal situation it would be great to replace cam and cam follower at the same time, but simple economics would dictate that for the vast majority of people this simply isn't going to happen - and replacing the cam follower regularly is still the most cost effective way of getting the most out of the cam and engine.
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Broader question: Have there been any failures on mapped cars with standard fuel pumps and Rev.B cams that anyone knows about?
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i guarantee that if you went to your local main dealer and asked them to check the cam follower for wear they would look at you as if you were talking marshon !
i asked my dealer for a price to check it , said he never heard of that part before then came back with a price of £150 !
lol lol
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Please correct me if I'm wrong but from what i have read the 3 main causes for excessive wear/ failures on the follower are
A revision 'a' cam that is worn where the uneven surface will literally eat away at the follower.
Uprated HPFP that put more pressure on the cam and follower
High revs which put more pressure on the cam and follower
Correct on all 3... well maybe the first 2 unless the rev limiter has been raised then 3
As an engine builder for 7 years this is my take on the fueling issues and fuel pump ware.
A worn cam lobe will give you less "stroke" to start with and putting a new follower against the worn lobe will not last as the surface hardness has gone from the lobe and will eat the new follower very quickly. I think some of the fueling issues on mapped engines will show up when the stroke of the cam is starting to diminish resulting in less fuel delivery, So the first port of call is to fit a HPFP this puts more force on the already worn surfaces and will in the end wipe the lot out just has the OP has found out.
I'm afraid if your follower has worn then the lobe is to... Eventually a new cam shaft and follower will be needed to be fitted at the same time.... The roller follower kit looks like it would be the way to go... very nice.
We were always told it is not good practice to put a new follower against an old cam shaft... Well that's my take on it anyway :wink:
Great info ARV_90,
I was more referring to high rev from track-days and such where the engines are really put to there limits and a lot of 2.0tfsi owners have spoke to changed to follower after each track-day.
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Please correct me if I'm wrong but from what i have read the 3 main causes for excessive wear/ failures on the follower are
A revision 'a' cam that is worn where the uneven surface will literally eat away at the follower.
Uprated HPFP that put more pressure on the cam and follower
High revs which put more pressure on the cam and follower
Correct on all 3... well maybe the first 2 unless the rev limiter has been raised then 3
As an engine builder for 7 years this is my take on the fueling issues and fuel pump ware.
A worn cam lobe will give you less "stroke" to start with and putting a new follower against the worn lobe will not last as the surface hardness has gone from the lobe and will eat the new follower very quickly. I think some of the fueling issues on mapped engines will show up when the stroke of the cam is starting to diminish resulting in less fuel delivery, So the first port of call is to fit a HPFP this puts more force on the already worn surfaces and will in the end wipe the lot out just has the OP has found out.
I'm afraid if your follower has worn then the lobe is to... Eventually a new cam shaft and follower will be needed to be fitted at the same time.... The roller follower kit looks like it would be the way to go... very nice.
We were always told it is not good practice to put a new follower against an old cam shaft... Well that's my take on it anyway :wink:
Great info ARV_90,
I was more referring to high rev from track-days and such where the engines are really put to there limits and a lot of 2.0tfsi owners have spoke to changed to follower after each track-day.
Totally agree with you on the economics side of things fellas... probably do the same myself as the cost of replacing both cam and follower would be rather expensive. Come to think about it I have warranty from VW with mine .... so if it does fail they will be having it back. 40k and counting so we shall see.
Get what you mean on the track day :wink:
I wont go down the route of fitting a new follower just for the sake of it as the new follower will not have the same bedded in contact area and would possibly make things worse.
I'm not to familiar with the revisions of cam shafts but if there are revisions it shows that the load on the lobe contact area was obviously not up to it... and would probably be a wider on any revisions, At a guess the earlier cams with a narrower lobe wont like having a HPFP on as its just to much surface load for the cam.
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Just to clarify, its actually LOAD rather than high revs - you can rev a car on light throttle which will not require a lot of fuel pressure.
Foot to the floor (where the map is requesting lots of fuel pressure) puts the most strain on the follower. :happy2:
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So im i right in saying that as my car is standard i dont need to be panicking about this thing imploding?
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What do these things wear like on a 2006 R32??? Im guessing it'll be a roller cam follower? Im due an oil change as well, the stealers want to bend me over and not even offer a reach around :sick:
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What do these things wear like on a 2006 R32??? Im guessing it'll be a roller cam follower? Im due an oil change as well, the stealers want to bend me over and not even offer a reach around :sick:
R32 doesnt have the same fuelling system as the GTI and doesnt use a HPFP so you dont need to worry :smiley:
@MIGHTYMULLET - If your car has 60k+ miles it will be worth replacing as a precaution as standard cars have failed also. The part is about £28 and can be replaced by yourself with one of the how-to guides on here, or a local specialist will do it for an hours labour
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Just to clarify, its actually LOAD rather than high revs - you can rev a car on light throttle which will not require a lot of fuel pressure.
Foot to the floor (where the map is requesting lots of fuel pressure) puts the most strain on the follower. :happy2:
Good question... depends on how the fuel system works it may make a certain pressure constantly to a fuel rail then electronically meter it as required depending on demand of pressure and volume of fuel required. If this is the case then load makes no difference the pump makes its design pressure regardless.
I wonder if the HPFP is able to give a bigger flow rate as well as a higher pressure, mapped engines would require both wouldn't they...
Maybe one of the tuning companies could shed a bit of light on it for us.
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Fuel pressure is determined by your map. Increased pressure is requested when you increase load on the engine (ie put your foot down), and the pressure is adjusted as per the request. You can see the differences by logging on VCDS.
Generally at idle and light acceleration fuel pressure is low(er), and raises as you increase load with the accelerator pedal .
The fuel pump has a chamber which is filled with fuel and compressed by a piston which is powered by the follower. The higher pressure required means more fuel in the chamber to pressurise which takes more force to pressurise which in turn means more pressure on your follower.
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Little update whilst waiting for parts to arrive. I thought i may as well change the hpfp internals. Never done one before so i just downloaded the one from autotech. Now, looking at the new pump im thinking to myself where the fook do the collats go. Hmmmm lets see. Looks as if my cam has chewed the fecker up along with the spring retainer :scared:.
A quick pic with old at the side of new.
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Notice how much of the fp it has eaten away.
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What an amazingly sh*t design from VW! :surprised:
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Fuel pressure is determined by your map. Increased pressure is requested when you increase load on the engine (ie put your foot down), and the pressure is adjusted as per the request. You can see the differences by logging on VCDS.
Generally at idle and light acceleration fuel pressure is low(er), and raises as you increase load with the accelerator pedal .
The fuel pump has a chamber which is filled with fuel and compressed by a piston which is powered by the follower. The higher pressure required means more fuel in the chamber to pressurise which takes more force to pressurise which in turn means more pressure on your follower.
There you go then ... the more power you request the higher the load.
As to this problem only applying to engines that have been mapped or std that depends if the car you own has ever had a HPFP fitted in it's life.... how do you know as you see a lot of cars on here being "returned to std" to sell on .... nah then :smiley:
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Little update whilst waiting for parts to arrive. I thought i may as well change the hpfp internals. Never done one before so i just downloaded the one from autotech. Now, looking at the new pump im thinking to myself where the fook do the collats go. Hmmmm lets see. Looks as if my cam has chewed the fecker up along with the spring retainer :scared:.
A quick pic with old at the side of new.
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Notice how much of the fp it has eaten away.
That my friend is Fu##ed ... did you manage to find the collets and end cap !!! Has it worn through the follower then ?
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Have you not seen the pic on page 1 ???
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Have you not seen the pic on page 1 ???
My bad :smiley:
Oh my lord :rolleye: what sort of HP are you running ? Looks like it has broken right where the collets fit, maybe a bit weak where it has been turned down.
Roller follower kit is the way to go I would imagine ... especially when running big Hp gains.
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Little update whilst waiting for parts to arrive. I thought i may as well change the hpfp internals. Never done one before so i just downloaded the one from autotech. Now, looking at the new pump im thinking to myself where the fook do the collats go. Hmmmm lets see. Looks as if my cam has chewed the fecker up along with the spring retainer :scared:.
A quick pic with old at the side of new.
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Notice how much of the fp it has eaten away.
Good effort Gaz. That has been running on the cam for quite a while then. Never seen one that worn before. So the retainer and the collets were missing? I'm fooking shocked tbh.
All the stuff turn up ok today?
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I see... the end of the push rod had actually been running on the cam itself .... surprised it actually managed to make any fuel pressure at all..
I assume Mr vrs you have done a bit on the TFSI then ?
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I see the the end of the push rod had actually been running on the cam itself .... surprised it actually managed to make any fuel pressure at all..
I think the main fault was low fuel pressure and going into limp mode.
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I see the the end of the push rod had actually been running on the cam itself .... surprised it actually managed to make any fuel pressure at all..
I think the main fault was low fuel pressure and going into limp mode.
I see.
Are there revisions on these cams then ? I think someone said the earlier engines had a narrow cam... if that is the case do you know when the revision took effect. be nice to know if mine was going to suffer eventually.
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Two revisions on the cam, the earlier A one that has "soft" lobes and the more robust and later B one.
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Two revisions on the cam, the earlier A one that has "soft" lobes and the more robust and later B one.
I see, and at what year did the rev B appear.
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I see the the end of the push rod had actually been running on the cam itself .... surprised it actually managed to make any fuel pressure at all..
I think the main fault was low fuel pressure and going into limp mode.
that was towards the end of its life that it was going into limp mode. It was actually still making decent power somehow. If it was as quick as it was with a fooked cam and f/p, daren't think what its gonna be like when its all fixed up. :driver: knowing the luck im having at the moment it'll prob bend a frickin rod.
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Two revisions on the cam, the earlier A one that has "soft" lobes and the more robust and later B one.
I see, and at what year did the rev B appear.
05, but the A cam has been found in 07 cars with the newer BWA engine code. Nothing is consistent.
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So not a case the internals are at fault/fitting of, that's caused such accelerated wear?
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can this wear happen in a standard car? i,ve had my 06 gti for 7 months now and i love it ! but all the probs i,ve been reading about on here makes me think have i bought the rite car ?
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can this wear happen in a standard car? i,ve had my 06 gti for 7 months now and i love it ! but all the probs i,ve been reading about on here makes me think have i bought the rite car ?
In the sameboat, always wanted one, looked for problems, bought a gti (1month ago), join forum, find out theyre a bit of a shed! :sad1:
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Lol, I've had some sheds over the years a mk5 golf gti certainly isn't one them!
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Listen guys. I think people need to relax a little. I never had a moments trouble in the three years i have owned the car up until now. If you are running a stock car or even a mapped car then tbh i dont think you have much to worry about. I am sailing very close to the wind at the moment with the mods i am running. I know this. As said its only a matter of time before rods let go i presume. I am thinking while sump is off shall i just bite the bullet and stump up for rods and pistons while im fafing around later, rather than take another blow later on.
Up until now i haven't heard of a cam follower go on a stock hpfp. I dont know if any of the tuners have heard anything or seen anything though.
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Look what i just picked up. :wink:
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Listen guys. I think people need to relax a little.I never had a moments trouble in the three years i have owned the car up until now. If you are running a stock car or even a mapped car then tbh i dont think you have much to worry about. I am sailing very close to the wind at the moment with the mods i am running. I know this. As said its only a matter of time before rods let go i presume. I am thinking while sump is off shall i just bite the bullet and stump up for rods and pistons while im fafing around later, rather than take another blow later on.
Up until now i haven't heard of a cam follower go on a stock hpfp. I dont know if any of the tuners have heard anything or seen anything though.
I think you've hit the nail on the head there mate! :congrats:
This isn't a new problem and people/VAG have been aware of this for a long while now. It is obviously an oversight by VAG whilst designing the engine hence the reason they released a Technical Service Bulletin detailing the problem and what/how to change (even though most dealers won't have a clue about it!) :stupid:
That being so, it is still a bit of a PITA and so quite rightly people like us are concerned about it. I've changed my follower every 5k miles after I first heard about this problem and every time there has been literally no wear on it. The first follower was changed at 20k and that only had very minimal wear too after 15k of Stg 1 REVO. It really is a simple job and even for a retard like me it only takes 20 minutes (including a brew!) :happy2:
To the OP, I am truly gutted to see that this has happened to you. I do think that your making the sensible decision of doing the Rods etc whilst the sump is off (however expensive it is) as you sound like your running some serious power!???
Best of luck to you and I hope you get it all sorted as soon as possible! :happy2: :pomppomp:
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Listen guys. I think people need to relax a little.I never had a moments trouble in the three years i have owned the car up until now. If you are running a stock car or even a mapped car then tbh i dont think you have much to worry about. I am sailing very close to the wind at the moment with the mods i am running. I know this. As said its only a matter of time before rods let go i presume. I am thinking while sump is off shall i just bite the bullet and stump up for rods and pistons while im fafing around later, rather than take another blow later on.
Up until now i haven't heard of a cam follower go on a stock hpfp. I dont know if any of the tuners have heard anything or seen anything though.
I think you've hit the nail on the head there mate! :congrats:
This isn't a new problem and people/VAG have been aware of this for a long while now. It is obviously an oversight by VAG whilst designing the engine hence the reason they released a Technical Service Bulletin detailing the problem and what/how to change (even though most dealers won't have a clue about it!) :stupid:
That being so, it is still a bit of a PITA and so quite rightly people like us are concerned about it. I've changed my follower every 5k miles after I first heard about this problem and every time there has been literally no wear on it. The first follower was changed at 20k and that only had very minimal wear too after 15k of Stg 1 REVO. It really is a simple job and even for a retard like me it only takes 20 minutes (including a brew!) :happy2:
To the OP, I am truly gutted to see that this has happened to you. I do think that your making the sensible decision of doing the Rods etc whilst the sump is off (however expensive it is) as you sound like your running some serious power!???
Best of luck to you and I hope you get it all sorted as soon as possible! :happy2: :pomppomp:
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If you need a hand with anything garry just give me a bell and ill pop through with my trusty old hammer :-)
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Listen guys. I think people need to relax a little.I never had a moments trouble in the three years i have owned the car up until now. If you are running a stock car or even a mapped car then tbh i dont think you have much to worry about. I am sailing very close to the wind at the moment with the mods i am running. I know this. As said its only a matter of time before rods let go i presume. I am thinking while sump is off shall i just bite the bullet and stump up for rods and pistons while im fafing around later, rather than take another blow later on.
Up until now i haven't heard of a cam follower go on a stock hpfp. I dont know if any of the tuners have heard anything or seen anything though.
I think you've hit the nail on the head there mate! :congrats:
This isn't a new problem and people/VAG have been aware of this for a long while now. It is obviously an oversight by VAG whilst designing the engine hence the reason they released a Technical Service Bulletin detailing the problem and what/how to change (even though most dealers won't have a clue about it!) :stupid:
That being so, it is still a bit of a PITA and so quite rightly people like us are concerned about it. I've changed my follower every 5k miles after I first heard about this problem and every time there has been literally no wear on it. The first follower was changed at 20k and that only had very minimal wear too after 15k of Stg 1 REVO. It really is a simple job and even for a retard like me it only takes 20 minutes (including a brew!) :happy2:
To the OP, I am truly gutted to see that this has happened to you. I do think that your making the sensible decision of doing the Rods etc whilst the sump is off (however expensive it is) as you sound like your running some serious power!???
Best of luck to you and I hope you get it all sorted as soon as possible! :happy2: :pomppomp:
I don't think anyone is panicking about it m8 certainly not me I wont be changing any follower that's for sure... certainly not every 5k ...
All I was pointing out was that you may suffer this problem when you go to far with the mapping as it sounds like the earlier revision A cams "may" suffer damage due to the extra pressure when mapped past stage 1.
And as the OP said himself he is running close to the edge anyway so is expecting problems to arise.
Go on any make forum and you will only get to here about things that go wrong .... Plenty of people on here that have 100k plus miles on them mapped and still going strong ...
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Listen guys. I think people need to relax a little.I never had a moments trouble in the three years i have owned the car up until now. If you are running a stock car or even a mapped car then tbh i dont think you have much to worry about. I am sailing very close to the wind at the moment with the mods i am running. I know this. As said its only a matter of time before rods let go i presume. I am thinking while sump is off shall i just bite the bullet and stump up for rods and pistons while im fafing around later, rather than take another blow later on.
Up until now i haven't heard of a cam follower go on a stock hpfp. I dont know if any of the tuners have heard anything or seen anything though.
I think you've hit the nail on the head there mate! :congrats:
This isn't a new problem and people/VAG have been aware of this for a long while now. It is obviously an oversight by VAG whilst designing the engine hence the reason they released a Technical Service Bulletin detailing the problem and what/how to change (even though most dealers won't have a clue about it!) :stupid:
That being so, it is still a bit of a PITA and so quite rightly people like us are concerned about it. I've changed my follower every 5k miles after I first heard about this problem and every time there has been literally no wear on it. The first follower was changed at 20k and that only had very minimal wear too after 15k of Stg 1 REVO. It really is a simple job and even for a retard like me it only takes 20 minutes (including a brew!) :happy2:
To the OP, I am truly gutted to see that this has happened to you. I do think that your making the sensible decision of doing the Rods etc whilst the sump is off (however expensive it is) as you sound like your running some serious power!???
Best of luck to you and I hope you get it all sorted as soon as possible! :happy2: :pomppomp:
I don't think anyone is panicking about it m8 certainly not me I wont be changing any follower that's for sure... certainly not every 5k ...
All I was pointing out was that you may suffer this problem when you go to far with the mapping as it sounds like the earlier revision A cams "may" suffer damage due to the extra pressure when mapped past stage 1.
And as the OP said himself he is running close to the edge anyway so is expecting problems to arise.
Go on any make forum and you will only get to here about things that go wrong .... Plenty of people on here that have 100k plus miles on them mapped and still going strong ...
Very very true mate! That's the thing about a Forum, it's mainly used for problems and queries so can be alarming if you let it! :happy2:
I'm glad you're happy with your motor, that's all anyone wants. I wouldn't totally dismiss the idea of changing the follower now and then though! :wink:
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Listen guys. I think people need to relax a little.I never had a moments trouble in the three years i have owned the car up until now. If you are running a stock car or even a mapped car then tbh i dont think you have much to worry about. I am sailing very close to the wind at the moment with the mods i am running. I know this. As said its only a matter of time before rods let go i presume. I am thinking while sump is off shall i just bite the bullet and stump up for rods and pistons while im fafing around later, rather than take another blow later on.
Up until now i haven't heard of a cam follower go on a stock hpfp. I dont know if any of the tuners have heard anything or seen anything though.
I think you've hit the nail on the head there mate! :congrats:
This isn't a new problem and people/VAG have been aware of this for a long while now. It is obviously an oversight by VAG whilst designing the engine hence the reason they released a Technical Service Bulletin detailing the problem and what/how to change (even though most dealers won't have a clue about it!) :stupid:
That being so, it is still a bit of a PITA and so quite rightly people like us are concerned about it. I've changed my follower every 5k miles after I first heard about this problem and every time there has been literally no wear on it. The first follower was changed at 20k and that only had very minimal wear too after 15k of Stg 1 REVO. It really is a simple job and even for a retard like me it only takes 20 minutes (including a brew!) :happy2:
To the OP, I am truly gutted to see that this has happened to you. I do think that your making the sensible decision of doing the Rods etc whilst the sump is off (however expensive it is) as you sound like your running some serious power!???
Best of luck to you and I hope you get it all sorted as soon as possible! :happy2: :pomppomp:
I don't think anyone is panicking about it m8 certainly not me I wont be changing any follower that's for sure... certainly not every 5k ...
All I was pointing out was that you may suffer this problem when you go to far with the mapping as it sounds like the earlier revision A cams "may" suffer damage due to the extra pressure when mapped past stage 1.
And as the OP said himself he is running close to the edge anyway so is expecting problems to arise.
Go on any make forum and you will only get to here about things that go wrong .... Plenty of people on here that have 100k plus miles on them mapped and still going strong ...
Very very true mate! That's the thing about a Forum, it's mainly used for problems and queries so can be alarming if you let it! :happy2:
I'm glad you're happy with your motor, that's all anyone wants. I wouldn't totally dismiss the idea of changing the follower now and then though! :wink:
I will see how it goes with the follower... Mine is a 58 plate DSG I bought it from a VW when it was just 3 years old and for peace of mind DSG and all that I took an extended warranty out with them. Had my days of playing with engines... although a stage 1 map is on my mind, and I blame this forum :-)
Sure is a dam fine car... Love it :smiley:
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I changed my follower in my 55 plate in the summer as it kept going into limp mode under load, mine was pretty worn and my cam probably needs changing going by what others have said on here, mine is completely standard with 107k on the clock, it's been driving fine since I changed the follower but will still go into limp mode if you say floor it going up a hill on the motorway at speed.
I bought my car from a non vw dealer and paid extra for a lifetime warranty so will have to have a look into it and see if I can get the cam changed under that.
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Careful we aren't jumping from one extreme to another in this page. One minute: PANIC, next minute: DON'T WORRY.
Best advice is if your running big power, check it every 5-10k. Stock, every 40-50k sounds sensible.
It's a cheap part and for the peace of mind and to reduce the risk of big bills it's certainly worth keeping an eye on .
Sensible?? :smiley:
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Careful we aren't jumping from one extreme to another in this page. One minute: PANIC, next minute: DON'T WORRY.
Best advice is if your running big power, check it every 5-10k. Stock, every 40-50k sounds sensible.
It's a cheap part and for the peace of mind and to reduce the risk of big bills it's certainly worth keeping an eye on .
Sensible?? :smiley:
personally now I am more aware of the problem I will change mine at 5k. Everyone will have there own thoughts on when they want to change theirs .
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So here's where I'm at. I've just been offered on what I think is a great deal in an ed30 lump fitted. Instead of going down the repair route I'm going to bite the bullet and just swap the whole thing. Thanks to all who have given advice and helped me out in this situation. At the end of the day i think it will be better in the long run. At least the whole situation has given others insight of what can go wrong and how to avoid the same happening to them. Once again thanks guys
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Two revisions on the cam, the earlier A one that has "soft" lobes and the more robust and later B one.
Has anyone had a quote from VW to buy the later 'B' Cam??
I've had 2 followers go, Stage 2+, one with Autotech and one with APR pump, car only gets used for track days though.
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Two revisions on the cam, the earlier A one that has "soft" lobes and the more robust and later B one.
Has anyone had a quote from VW to buy the later 'B' Cam??
I've had 2 followers go, Stage 2+, one with Autotech and one with APR pump, car only gets used for track days though.
£195+vat
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Stopped supplying the chocolate one now.
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i guarantee that if you went to your local main dealer and asked them to check the cam follower for wear they would look at you as if you were talking marshon !
i asked my dealer for a price to check it , said he never heard of that part before then came back with a price of £150 !
lol lol
Yes, my local, dealer said the same thing, they have never changed one.
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So here's where I'm at. I've just been offered on what I think is a great deal in an ed30 lump fitted. Instead of going down the repair route I'm going to bite the bullet and just swap the whole thing. Thanks to all who have given advice and helped me out in this situation. At the end of the day i think it will be better in the long run. At least the whole situation has given others insight of what can go wrong and how to avoid the same happening to them. Once again thanks guys
Wow, didn't expect that Gaz, but I must say I think you'll be faster and safer with the ED30 power plant. :happy2:
I gather the WMI and hybrid K04 will be staying?
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Careful we aren't jumping from one extreme to another in this page. One minute: PANIC, next minute: DON'T WORRY.
Best advice is if your running big power, check it every 5-10k. Stock, every 40-50k sounds sensible.
It's a cheap part and for the peace of mind and to reduce the risk of big bills it's certainly worth keeping an eye on .
Sensible?? :smiley:
Sounds spot on to me :congrats:
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So here's where I'm at. I've just been offered on what I think is a great deal in an ed30 lump fitted. Instead of going down the repair route I'm going to bite the bullet and just swap the whole thing. Thanks to all who have given advice and helped me out in this situation. At the end of the day i think it will be better in the long run. At least the whole situation has given others insight of what can go wrong and how to avoid the same happening to them. Once again thanks guys
Wow, didn't expect that Gaz, but I must say I think you'll be faster and safer with the ED30 power plant. :happy2:
I gather the WMI and hybrid K04 will be staying?
yes mate. Hybrid and wmi is staying
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So here's where I'm at. I've just been offered on what I think is a great deal in an ed30 lump fitted. Instead of going down the repair route I'm going to bite the bullet and just swap the whole thing. Thanks to all who have given advice and helped me out in this situation. At the end of the day i think it will be better in the long run. At least the whole situation has given others insight of what can go wrong and how to avoid the same happening to them. Once again thanks guys
Wow, didn't expect that Gaz, but I must say I think you'll be faster and safer with the ED30 power plant. :happy2:
I gather the WMI and hybrid K04 will be staying?
yes mate. Hybrid and wmi is staying
Hooyaaaa!
Should be good at Inters this year then! :happy2: