MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Technical Workshop => Topic started by: Twiggy on January 28, 2013, 02:36:01 pm
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Hi guys,
My turbo has blown on my 2.0fsi k03(2005) and i am struggling finding the OEM ref number. wanted a K04 kit but unfortunatley funds are not allowing due to moving house... bloody girlfriends!! :sad1:
so my decision is to stick the standard borg warner K03 back on and then when things are a little less house focused get an S3 or edition 30 towards the end of the year. :laugh:
back to my original point, which of the following is the correct turbo to purchase?
06F 145 701 C
06F 145 701 D
any help would be much appreciated.
also if anyone knows where i can get a new borg warner oem K03 for less than VWs quote of £850 (everything in), it would be much appreciated and i will perform a dance a little like this :pomppomp:
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I know that Statlers in Sheffield could do you a very good deal if that's of any interest!?
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I emailed Statller about a K04 conversion but never got a reply.
is there a specific person i need to speak to? i work in sheffield so it would be ideal.
just need it sorting asap as im driving my GF fiesta zetec s 1.6 tdci (dirty d word) and its killing me!!
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How difficult is it to do a K03 direct swap?
Perhaps do a deal on this one: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/K03s-Turbo-VW-Mk5-GTI-Seat-FR-Audi-A3-Skoda-Octavia-VRS-/160961280118?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3AGolf|Plat_Gen%3AMK+V&hash=item257a0a3876
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Ring Steve (or Craig/Luke) on 0114 3279044, they will sort you out no problem!
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@olusfen i was under the impression that a K03s was only for the 1.8t gti?
its also the case of buying off ebay and the horror stories that go with it.
i will give statller a call and see what they can sort out.
cheers guys, i will update this feed as things go.
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@olusfen i was under the impression that a K03s was only for the 1.8t gti?
its also the case of buying off ebay and the horror stories that go with it.
i will give statller a call and see what they can sort out.
cheers guys, i will update this feed as things go.
You could also put a post in the wanted forums as someone may have done the k04 upgrade and still have their old k03 spare.
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think you'll be pleasantly surprised when you give them a call, they are a very good bunch of lads!!! :driver:
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We are in development with another company at the moment to produce a 350bhp KO3 hybrid with billet compressor wheel. It will be a direct bolt on so no extra parts needed to fit it. But it's not going to be tested and ready until the summer. The results we are seeing with the 1.8t version of the ko3 hybrid from the same turbo builder are 312bhp, limited by turbine housing flow.
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Holy crap, that sounds frickin' awesome nick, I know this is wild speculation at this point, however what would you guesstimate the price point to be for this?
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That sounds amazing :laugh:, am i right in saying uprated cooling, fuel pump, injectors, exhaust would all be needed to run those sort of figures? definitely new tyres :grin:
any ideas of cost yet?
k03 hybrid running upto 350bhp :congrats: :notworthy:
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^^^ I think so mate.
I'd be interested if it (only) made 300bhp with less additional requirements... some injectors and perhaps TBE as the K03 is only single scroll.
For the full 350 I reckon everything you stated would be required... at which point, why this over K04? :confused:
Sounds very interesting though. :happy2:
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Turbo Dynamics sell genuine K03 turbo's... I believe the current price is something like £560+VAT.
I cant find the link to the turbo itself but there site is easy to find
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This should be the one
http://www.turbodynamics.co.uk/shop/53039880105-new-genuine-k03-turbo-for-audi-a4-20l-tfsi-200bhp-p-3876.html
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:happy2: cheers lads.
statller have quoted £930.00 new borg warner k03 fitted.
this route might be even cheaper. :smiley:
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Sounds about the same as i've been quoted for mine too as i'm getting a new one on my car.
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What's the labour time on a k03 to k03 swap?
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I was quoted 4 hours so hopefully thats about right.
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:happy2: cheers lads.
statller have quoted £930.00 new borg warner k03 fitted.
this route might be even cheaper. :smiley:
Did Statlers also offer a 2nd hand turbo for quite a bit less??
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Statller did offer a recon turbo for about half the price... was pretty surprised tbh but want a new one.
labour time is around the 4 hours... £150.
how have i missed the turbo dynamics site... some very reasonable priced turbos on there.
calling Statller today to book in.
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For half the cost, the recon turb would be where my cash would go, as long as it had a decent warranty included. :happy2:
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may i ask why you have opted for the new one when you plan to change car later in the year, lol??
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Its just for piece of mind, had a bad experience with a recon turbo... :ashamed:
called Statller and spoke to Luke, he went to speak to steve and normally when on the phone to a company you are put on hold and made to listen to sh*tty music, not at Statller... unsure what car it was but there was a rolling road session going.... this was awesome to listen to ! :congrats:
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as far as i know, their second-hand turbos, etc are just that, second-hand, not reconditioned (or whatever the word is), although i could be wrong!? That rolling road session is probably John's (Hurdy) Golf R, now with water-meths kit, and goodness knows what else!!?? :drool:
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It sounded lovely but as it hit high revs the phone wouldn't pick up the sound.
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Did I read u right when u said that VW could have replaced yr turbo for a cheaper price than Statlers? :-o
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No prices yet, my ko3 is due to be posted of the the builder today for initial developments. The KKK hybrids he has built for the 1.8t market have out performed all the branded hybrid turbo names in every area. Our current build is a 350bhp ko3s hybrid on a 1.8t skoda VRS.
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No Statller have been the most reasonable. im booked in next friday for the turbo to be fitted. From there i will book a power run at R-tech to see if i can top the 232bhp and 286lbft that it produced on the day of the map (on what was suspected as a cracked turbo).
VW quoted my friend £850 all in at TRADE price for the turbo, fitting was extra (£150-200 i would imagine) then i had to buy oil etc. Statller have worked out way better. i am talking my own oil to statller.
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ahh ok, have you got stock exhaust on then, as that will of course affect performance too?? Hope you mentioned me who referred you, get me some brownie points, lol!!?? :party:
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Stock exhaust... stock everything bar intake (neuspeed p-flo).
I did mention that on this forum i had been told statller was the place to go. whats your name and i will drop it in when im there. :happy2:
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Andrew or Andy, Black Golf GTi (had Helix Clutch fitted last week) :pomppomp:
Cheers
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Im Andy too... maybe thats why thy are being so nice :wink:
will tell them that you recommended them.
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this is where your slippery slope starts mate, before you know it you'll be pushing 300bhp!! :rolleye:
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:scared: this is my dilemma... i want an S3 as i can get more power easier due to the K04. Now nick from R-tech has mentioned this KO3 hybrid!! im guessing that the power delivery will still be standard K03 and come in slightly early compared to the K04 but what should i do??!! put cash into my golf or keep saving and put the cash into an S3?
:driver:
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Hmmm, only you can decide that one i guess! The more you put into your current GTi, the more you'll want to keep going, so you're pretty much at the point now where you have to decide what you do, either keep and get the most out of it, etc etc, or put no more money into it and save your pennies for the S3. I've spent and spent and spent, literally thousands, perhaps i should have saved the money and upgraded to an Edition 30.....but instead ive got a Stage 2, getting that TiV map at R Tech next Tuesday, and then WMi in a couple of months, backed up by stiffer suspension, BCS TBE, and Twintake....i'm happy for now!! :rolleye:
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It's a hard one. Obviously you'll have more potential with the K04 but you just need to weigh everything up with the costs etc. A P Mk5 GTI engine will go far, so it's up to you how much power your wanting. If your not looking for anything more than 350bhp odds, I'd just mod your current GTI, It'll be cheaper than selling and buying an S3 or Ed30.
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Andrew or Andy, Black Golf GTi (had Helix Clutch fitted last week) :pomppomp:
Cheers
so what power you running? hows the clutch feel?
as for the power i would like... its a daily driver so 350bhp would be more than enough.
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Well last September at R Tech, got it to 271 bhp and 331 torques, clutch was fine with that 99.9% of the time, then had it slightly lowered and had Polybushes alround, along with 4 new tyres, so combine the lot and u get much more grip and a quicker car so to speak! Come Tuesday im hoping this TiV adjustment will add on some power, certainly mid-range anyway! Then all being well with the water meths, get it up to the 300 mark of useable power! :-)
STOPPING THEN!
Ref clutch, it feels stiffer alright, but car picks up much better, and quicker, in every gear, no slipping thank fook, so a v worthwhile addition...!
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Hows the new turbo then??
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Hows the new turbo then??
its booked in for this friday, due to them being busy i will be getting it back either friday evening or Saturday lunch time. :jumpmove:
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So its Statller tomorrow and the car back saturday lunch time. :laugh: Had a drive past on Tuesday and there were some lovely cars outside. Wil have to take a few cheeky pics before i leave tomorrow.
will feedback on saturday with how the car is... :driver:
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i'm sure you will be paying Statlers a few more visits over the coming months!! :party:
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Another one hooked onto the slippery slope! :evilgrin:
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hahahahahaha this is literally all i have done since collecting the car today from Statller.
The car drives amazingly well... its like a totally different car.
In the end i had the turbo replaced and steve called to say that the Cat was on it way out.
Had a standard Cat fitted and new turbo.... Decat was mentioned but i opted for the standard cat due to it being the cheaper option and less hassle when it comes to MOT.
The car has obviously not being running correct since i got it but now its full of Vpower, miller nano oil, new turbo and a non blocked cat... :driver:
next step is down to R-tech to see what its running :laugh:
a nice finishing touch from Statller was to give it a good clean ready for when i collected it. service was great and thy did exactly what they said they would... even gave me a list of things that are starting to wear/look like they need replacing.
the White edition 30 that statller have is amazing... as are the porsche 911 turbos they had there. :drool:
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Bet it feels like a new car!?
So wats on this 'list' then?? ;-)
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It feels unbelievable, i honestly cant believe how hard it pulls. makes me giggle like a small child!!
bushes need looking at and there was something else but i cant remember... check list when i get home.
i had a 245bhp focus RS mk1 and the golf now pulls way harder than that! :laugh:
much appreciated for recommending Statller :happy2:
whether i keep this car or get an edition 30 or S3 Statller will be getting jobs from me.
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yeap, that's the way it goes alright, it's like a drug, i just can't stop at the moment, although i will have to eventually!! Did they give any indication how hard you will be able to push your new turbo??
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Not really, just told me that it drove like a different car and to enjoy it.
Said that if i wanted big power (350bhp area) that i should go K04 or get an edition 30 :party:
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well i'd say that with what you (and i) have now, about 300-310 should be our goal, if sticking ko3!!?? :party:
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Is there a running in period with the new turbo?
Just thinking out loud before you go thrashing the pants off it from day one
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Is there a running in period with the new turbo?
Just thinking out loud before you go thrashing the pants off it from day one
afaik you should keep the revs down on a new turbo for a couple hundred miles to allow the bearing to bed in.
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Is there a running in period with the new turbo?
Just thinking out loud before you go thrashing the pants off it from day one
afaik you should keep the revs down on a new turbo for a couple hundred miles to allow the bearing to bed in.
Im doing this now, keeping it sensible (did get carried away on the trip home once or twice). intend to run a tank of juice through it then see how things are.
will do a couple of thousand miles and have an oil change done.
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did they change your oil btw, if so, what type plse?
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they did an oil change (should do when ever a turbo is changed) and i took my own oil. I took 5ltr of Millers Nanodrive CFS 5w-40 Full Synthetic
http://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-73732-millers-oils-nanodrive-cfs-5w-40-nt-full-synthetic-engine-oil.aspx
they said its the best stuff to put in. :happy2: they gave me the bottle back with a little bit to use as top up oil.
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is that what they put in then as standard? It's just i will be having my car serviced with them in a couple of months...
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Not sure what oil they use, i took my own as i wanted my car using this oil. opie have an offer on if you follow the link. they changed my filters etc.
its worth spending the extra on the millers, as soon as i pickd up the golf i had its oil changed to millers and in 8,000 miles it never needed a top up. also ran much smoother.
after i purchased the millers, i found some interesting research done by performance ford about this oil actually increasing torque and bhp figures... cant say i have noticed anything but im only running stage 1. the focus st that ran the miller nano oil in the mag made 28bhp and 40+lbft of torque more than when they ran halfords oil. not bad for £70
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not cheap but considering what we spend on mods, well worth it probably!! :surprised:
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so... 350 miles done and a tank of fuel gone. filled up saturday morning and had to nip into work sat morning. Car felt awesome :driver: was looking forward to my drive home when i knocked my hand on an offce table braking bones in the back of my hand. :sad1: car has been sat at work since sat morning.
potted up today and told no driving... brought the car home today and was again amazed with how it pulled. with the new turbo and exhaust allowing the engine to run better the clutch has stated to slip (only slightly) . i have had a great week!
so looking into clutch kits... any advice?
also the list that statller gave me of things that will need looking at goes as follows:
off side CV boot outer
rear bushes are eroding
front bushes have slight play.
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rear bushes are eroding
front bushes have slight play.
....The perfect excuse to upgrade to polyurethane bushes instead of replacing the OEM bushes with more OEM bushes.
Info about them here: http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,53579.0.html :happy2:
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:laugh: my exact thoughts.
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@ Twiggy:
As the labour costs can be relatively high removing OEM bushes (invariably one or two or three will be stuck and tricky) the extra cost of replacing with polyurethane bushes is only the price difference of OEM vs Polyurethane and poly bushes are longer lasting and perform better and contribute to the car's handling. So it's almost a no-brainer.
Alex @ AKS can probably offer you a good price on SuperPro bushes :happy2:
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And we're off! I had Polybushes fitted by Statlers, and a Helix Race clutch Stage 1, wow! U know u want to, lol!! :-P
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Point to note, after I had Polybushes fitted, my clutch was slipping like mad, although car was lowered by 20mm also! As we discussed, the time has come to decide if u r keeping this car for the foreseeable future, or moving to Ed 30 in next 12mths!?
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Point to note, after I had Polybushes fitted, my clutch was slipping like mad, although car was lowered by 20mm also! As we discussed, the time has come to decide if u r keeping this car for the foreseeable future, or moving to Ed 30 in next 12mths!?
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@ Twiggy:
As the labour costs can be relatively high removing OEM bushes (invariably one or two or three will be stuck and tricky) the extra cost of replacing with polyurethane bushes is only the price difference of OEM vs Polyurethane and poly bushes are longer lasting and perform better and contribute to the car's handling. So it's almost a no-brainer.
Alex @ AKS can probably offer you a good price on SuperPro bushes :happy2:
is there a web link to AKS? also found a link to some cheap polybushes... gut says go with the reputable names but the price is nice. check out the link and let me know what your thoughts are. http://www.polybush.co.uk/shop/view/560_Volkswagen_Golf_Mk5_1K_04-09_Including_R32/794_Kit_144
also is £570 (including VAT) reasonable for a helix clutch kit stage 1 (354ftlbs limit)
Thanks chaps
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Ref the Helix Clutch, does that price include fitting???????????????
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Ref the Helix Clutch, does that price include fitting???????????????
No thats just for the clutch kit, would take it to Statller to be fitted. Did you purchase the clutch kit and them ask statller to fit or get them to order it in? hw much was your fitting?
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Dont know how much the clutch was as a standalone item, i just wanted it supplied and fitted, £750.00 all in, i'm sure they wont mind me divulging this!!
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m not sure what the fitting time is but that seem pretty good... might be another visit up there soon. clutch isnt too bad if im honest but was slipping in 4th a little.
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as i said, when i had the Polybushes fitted, and car lowered a bit, it did slip quite a lot in 5th and 6th!! :fighting:
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@ Twiggy:
As the labour costs can be relatively high removing OEM bushes (invariably one or two or three will be stuck and tricky) the extra cost of replacing with polyurethane bushes is only the price difference of OEM vs Polyurethane and poly bushes are longer lasting and perform better and contribute to the car's handling. So it's almost a no-brainer.
Alex @ AKS can probably offer you a good price on SuperPro bushes :happy2:
is there a web link to AKS? also found a link to some cheap polybushes... gut says go with the reputable names but the price is nice. check out the link and let me know what your thoughts are. http://www.polybush.co.uk/shop/view/560_Volkswagen_Golf_Mk5_1K_04-09_Including_R32/794_Kit_144
....AKS is vRS_Alex on here with link in his sig.
Polybush are considered good by most folks.
I'm a DSG man so no idea about clutch costs.
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Forgot to mention that the exhaust modification was an S3 down pipe.
vid below of how it sounds:
Full throttle, 2nd gear, esp off (slight wheel spin)
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