MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: SO8 on July 11, 2009, 11:13:28 pm
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I have an Edition 30 DSG .... with 'older' Superchips Bluefin remap .... and it will be FWIW with a Pipercross panel filter when I get round to fitting it !
Which do I do first - Milltek resonated TBE .... or an APR (or similar) intercooler ???
I am torn - one gives more power, the other is probably better for the engine ....
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Its got to be the milltek for me. :happy2:
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milly here too :happy2:
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I did the Milltek first :happy2:
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Because you've already got a remap, then the Milltek TBE will release/exploit what the map has to offer.
The stock intercooler is actually very good. It doesn't mean it can't be improved but your engine won't suffer without that mod.
This is a very slippery slope you are embarking on - I hope you know what you are letting yourself in for and that most of us here will do nothing but encourage you to spend your money.
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It's got to be the Exhaust and get the updated SC map as it's much improved over the earlier versions :happy2:
Personally I would also consider other systems like the APR and Blueflame over the Milltek :smiley:
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Milly gets my vote :happy2:
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Personally I would also consider other systems like the APR and Blueflame over the Milltek :smiley:
....Definitely a good idea to consider all those three exhaust systems, but I don't think there are any others which are as good as those three.
Steve, I know you are dissatisfied with Milltek's lack of response to your electronic communications - You've not bothered with face-to-face at shows or phone calls(?) - But I thought from our conversations with you that you were very satisfied with the Milltek on your car - Is that no longer so?
[I'm not defending Milltek in your case but am curious] :happy2:
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Robin, I do believe you are trying to defend Milltek by questioning the way I have tried to contact them and to a degree suggesting it's my issue for not chasing them down at shows etc but as we always tend to say here ETTO. :smiley:
Also my comment you have quoted is purely saying that there is more of a market out there than just Milltek.
The quality of their product is OK and generally I have been happy with the system, there are some things I personally have grown to dislike and this was the reason for attempting to contact them.
As they haven't bothered to acknowledge my questions/comments this is what has lead me to say I wouldn't recommend them and if I can find a suitable alternative I would look to sell on the Milltek.
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Thanks for the replies ....
I have the older Superchips DSG map on the car by choice - I do have the newer map on my computer and have had it on the car about 3 times but with the standard exhaust I prefer the surge you get from 4K to the redline with the older map.
The updated / newer map has so much more in the mid range you don't really get the same feeling .... if that makes sense - it comes in quite aggressively at 3K and evens off to the redline whereas the 'older' map feels like it builds all the way (because there is less power lower down) but with much more power than standard from about 4K.
With a full TBE I will get a Stage 2 version from Superchips and try it - though I feel it might make the older DSG map even more amusing !
I haven't ruled out other exhausts ... particularly the Jetex resonated ... but I want something that gives more power but no more noise. I don't think the APR system will fit what I want sound wise though I don't doubt it is quality . I have heard a Milltek resonated TBE and understand the Jetex is just as quiet.
As for that 'slippery slope' ... :laugh: it is something I have been on with many cars so know how bad it is :evilgrin:
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Also my comment you have quoted is purely saying that there is more of a market out there than just Milltek.
....And that is the only way in which I interpreted your comment :smiley:
The quality of their product is OK and generally I have been happy with the system, there are some things I personally have grown to dislike and this was the reason for attempting to contact them.
....Thanks for expanding on that and hence clarifying your views :smiley:
Robin, I do believe you are trying to defend Milltek by questioning the way I have tried to contact them and to a degree suggesting it's my issue for not chasing them down at shows etc but as we always tend to say here ETTO.
....It's no secret that I enjoy a very close relationship with Milltek and that I am consequently in a position to sometimes help members of this forum to solve problems.
Please understand that that ^ is my underlying intention - Nothing more and nothing less - I get a little tired of being accused of constantly defending Milltek (and other companies), especially by yourself and Top Cat, regardless of the circumstances. It's a pity IF you can't see that as a result of my position I try all I can to help this community in this respect.
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Get the Milltek first, I have the Non Res + Superchips map on my ED30, totally transforms the car. I think I'm going to swap to a Resonated centre pipe in the next few weeks, Non Res is just a tad tiresome, on longer journeys.
Then I plan Stage 2, APR HPFP, S3 Intercooler etc etc etc......
Should have my OEM Big Brake kit on soon, with a few other goodies .......... :happy2:
Rich.
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I have an Edition 30 DSG .... with 'older' Superchips Bluefin remap .... and it will be FWIW with a Pipercross panel filter when I get round to fitting it !
Which do I do first - Milltek resonated TBE .... or an APR (or similar) intercooler ???
I am torn - one gives more power, the other is probably better for the engine ....
exhaust!
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I get a little tired of being accused of constantly defending Milltek (and other companies), especially by yourself and Top Cat, regardless of the circumstances. It's a pity IF you can't see that as a result of my position I try all I can to help this community in this respect.
But Robin you become a fanboy of certain companies and then defend them to the death only stopping short of getting there tattoo on your back, often when there is no justification. You get free products from Milltek, this alone makes your defending them lose all its integrity, whether you have a valid case or not.
Every time some one posts a slight complaint about them you start your spiel which i guess would infuriate the person with the problem.
Whether you can contact them for Steve or not, this does not detract from their poor customer service in this case.
So whatever you contrive to defend them the fact is they have not bothered to reply to him. :smiley:
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I'm not surprised by the Milltek comments, but then Peskarik made the point that he was ready to buy a VWR engine mount but did not get a reply to his e-mails. In some cases its just a lack of customer service focus as some tuners/vendors may still be in the dark ages with regards to the internet - the situation may have been addressed by picking up the phone and calling. In VWRs case, I have had direct experience with them and I found them to be excellent and again Milltek might fall into the same category... excellent product, limited customer service channels as they don't reply to e-mails. Its a shame that companies with otherwise excellent products and reputations get tarnished because they don't monitor their e-mail traffic.
Of course, there are other companies who couldn't give a rats arse once they have sold their product and a recent case I highlighted comes to mind. :fighting:
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Oh, almost forgot... get the exhaust first - you won't regret it :happy2: I don't have direct experience of APR, but their hardware seems overpriced to me... the intercooler comes to mind - almost the same as the S3 one but over twice the price and its not even the best one on the market. I am not sure how their exhaust price compares to Milltek and Blueflame though... I have seen/heard Blueflame on MatEd30's car at Santa Pod earlier this year and it sounded and looked very nice.
I went with Milltek due to their long history extensive experience with VAG cars. :happy2:
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But Robin you become a fanboy of certain companies and then defend them to the death only stopping short of getting there tattoo on your back, often when there is no justification. You get free products from Milltek, this alone makes your defending them lose all its integrity, whether you have a valid case or not.
....There you go again - Making assumptions about me "getting free products" - In fact the "free" parts are all replacements of parts which have needed replacement and are testament to the aftersales customer support and product guarantees which Milltek give!!
Every time some one posts a slight complaint about them you start your spiel which i guess would infuriate the person with the problem.
....I'm sorry if that's the way you continue to insist on interpreting my posts.
Didn't you bother to read what I highlit in blue?
Whether you can contact them for Steve or not, this does not detract from their poor customer service in this case.
So whatever you contrive to defend them the fact is they have not bothered to reply to him. :smiley:
....Agreed, and poor customer service to a fellow forum member (and I like to think friend) is exactly why I bothered to offer to help (read my blue statement again please).
Illyun's reply #14 says it perfectly. And if I tell you that Milltek have had some serious server problems in recent months (emails lost etc), I expect you'll just accuse me of defending them. FFS, man, if you want to get results/responses, ditch your fancy expectations and communicate by every medium you can - Email, web, phone, visit on a show stand, it really doesn't matter two figs. The rest is up to you.
:smiley: [No hard feelings in this exchange btw]
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you could try going straight to a stage 2+ software just buy a HPFP and update the software seems to be working a treat for this chap with an s3, not had exhaust or intake done...
http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/showthread.php?t=72956
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Very nicely written original post by warrencox in that link, James :happy2:
I wonder what changes there would be if he now did add a performance exhaust and intake.
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Warren spends a bit of time over on cupranet where I've been a member for many years, and I have a lot of time for the guy although I don't personally know him. Deffo got some common sense!
When I spoke to Kev Hall at REVO some years ago when they had their mk5 GTI demo car he said that when they developed the first (stage 1) map they used the stock exhaust then went to Milltek to get a full TBE system put on. This gave a lower peak torque figure but a much flatter (and earlier peaking) torque map and a higher top end. I know things have moved on somewhat since 2005 but I reckon the same will hold true, particularly with the HPFP boosting the midrange a bit more too.
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Personally I wouldn't touch the APR stuff for various reasons 1 being they are over priced as Illuyn said and 2 i believe they are one of several companies who pass on their wares to high profile forum users who in turn say how great they are and basically advertise for them I dont believe it happens on here but GolfmkV forum is a prime candidate.
I haven't been a fan of milltek for the past 2years as by Robin's own admission they have to keep honouring warranty issues which for my mind paying over £1k for something to continualy break isn't good. I acknowledge they have made inroads to sorting them but for me its worth checking other manufacturers out there.
I would contact superchips and ask them who they used in testing their maps as thats probably your best bet as thats what they have based figures on.
I currently run my maps on the standard exhaust but to my mind theres more to be had by getting an exhaust but as I am tight i want to make sure my hard earned is going to the right Co.
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At the end of the day Robin 99% of our members are not stupid :rolleye: and can see through your unrealistic views on certain companies and why you have them. No matter what you or I say, they will already have formed there own opinion's.
I dont know why but this picture seems apt. (https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ftomashandmilly%2FDaft_stuff%2FER.gif&hash=39c489815d2e1b91f7f118c6281b2c024f57c76d) (https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ftomashandmilly%2FDaft_stuff%2F0513.gif&hash=6436494946bf83486278e49f7366a01e58c145fe)
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who's in the 1%? :chicken:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freemyspacegraphics.com%2FGraphics%2FFunny_Animations%2Fimages%2Ffunny_new_46.gif&hash=3a9394550bbb4c84036468e0f9f678246f8bd640)
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I haven't been a fan of milltek for the past 2years as by Robin's own admission they have to keep honouring warranty issues which for my mind paying over £1k for something to continualy break isn't good. I acknowledge they have made inroads to sorting them but for me its worth checking other manufacturers out there.
....Just to say that it's only been 2 'warranty' issues in 4 years but we've together taken the opportunity to replace the parts with new ones needing testing. One of those issues was extremely minor and it was Milltek's proposal to replace it and not my request.
The rest of your post illustrates very well how we each develop our own individual likes and dislikes of both products and companies.
Although I openly favour Milltek (based on my own good experiences), hopefully people will have noticed that I haven't been trashing other exhaust companies and that, regardless of my enthusiasms or so-ineptly called "defences" of Milltek, I believe that people here can make their own minds up about their choices. All we do is network and share our individual findings, but I will always stand up for a balanced and fair approach.
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At the end of the day Robin 99% of our members are not stupid :rolleye: and can see through your unrealistic views on certain companies and why you have them.
....Unrealistic in your opinion. Does that bother me? - Nope, I respect you have a different opinion.
That you appear to seek to infer that I have ulterior motives? - You have judged me and refuse to change your mind - that's your problem, not mine.
No matter what you or I say, they will already have formed there own opinion's.
....I had already independently written the same in my reply to Keith's post. At last we can agree about something.
Next?
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Dj horace who sometimes frequents these pages has had 3 warranty issues all dealt with.
So thats 5 between 2 people so you would see my concerns. My MKIV milltek was perfect and had no issues. And it ran with 230 ponies oh i miss that car.
I feel I am detracting from the original poster's question :grin:
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who's in the 1%? :chicken:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freemyspacegraphics.com%2FGraphics%2FFunny_Animations%2Fimages%2Ffunny_new_46.gif&hash=3a9394550bbb4c84036468e0f9f678246f8bd640)
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Firstly apologies to the OP as this has gone off topic from his original question but I need to have my time on the soap box now.
Next point I also had an initial issue with my Milltek (marks in the chrome on the tailpipe when it was delivered) which from the comments from the supplying dealer was reluctantly dealt with by Milltek.
....It's no secret that I enjoy a very close relationship with Milltek and that I am consequently in a position to sometimes help members of this forum to solve problems.
Please understand that that ^ is my underlying intention - Nothing more and nothing less - I get a little tired of being accused of constantly defending Milltek (and other companies), especially by yourself and Top Cat, regardless of the circumstances. It's a pity IF you can't see that as a result of my position I try all I can to help this community in this respect.
When a person tries to contact a company IMHO they wish to speak/deal with the people who will be doing work/providing the service you are paying for, and while I am sure you intentions are nothing but honorable in trying to help fellow forum members/enthusiasts to me it has the opposite effect.
If you are always going to take the opinion that every company you have these direct relationships with is always right and that mine or other members issues are always explainable or the cause of the member (which is what I feel you are trying to suggest with me that I should have to chase them) then we are going to end up in disagreement again.
....Agreed, and poor customer service to a fellow forum member (and I like to think friend) is exactly why I bothered to offer to help (read my blue statement again please).
Illyun's reply #14 says it perfectly. And if I tell you that Milltek have had some serious server problems in recent months (emails lost etc), I expect you'll just accuse me of defending them. FFS, man, if you want to get results/responses, ditch your fancy expectations and communicate by every medium you can - Email, web, phone, visit on a show stand, it really doesn't matter two figs. The rest is up to you.
What part of expecting a reply to a message I have received a delivery confirmation too is a fancy expectation??
If a company isn't able to support a method of communication then it's very very simple, don't publicise it on your website in BIG BOLD characters.
I work very long hours and to me email is my preferred method of communications as it's accessible as and went it suits me, 99% of all companies I deal is started/controlled via email/internet comms and I don't have an issue with any of them.
[No hard feelings in this exchange btw]
Ditto :happy2:
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If a company isn't able to support a method of communication then it's very very simple, don't publicise it on your website in BIG BOLD characters.
Unfortunately, that also applies to VWR. I've read the review of their red Golf in car magazine, where it was suggested that VWR could help out with tuning GTIs. I've read enthusiastic posts by members of this and sister forum (especially RedRobin's very enthusiastic posts), I went to their webpage where they say
"We'd love to hear from you.
We'll endeavour to reply to every email sent as quickly as possible, but please leave us a few working days to respond"
which is not true, as some forum members learned. They've never replied to my emails, though I was prepared so spend my hard earned on their expensive products.
I do not blame them, racing is most important to them, but their advertising is utterly misleading. That is NOT how you do business.
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If you are always going to take the opinion that every company you have these direct relationships with is always right and that mine or other members issues are always explainable or the cause of the member (which is what I feel you are trying to suggest with me that I should have to chase them) then we are going to end up in disagreement again.
....No, I do not take the view that every company I deal with is always right. In fact, part of my inclination to help is in the hope of improving relationships for everyone's mutual benefit. I wish that TC in particular could recognise that about me.
Suggesting that there are additional avenues for communication is not the same as suggesting that a communication issue is caused by (the fault of) the member - It's merely trying to achieve a happier outcome for all parties concerned. I see nothing wrong in chasing people to get results. It would seem that I have not such as high expectations of people as some others have, yet I still get results.
It doesn't matter at all whether we agree or disagree, either now or in the future. I don't think any less of you over such a difference of opinion or approach in these matters. It's good to openly and honestly discuss things and for others to read our various views and make up their own minds.
I'm sure that we'll all agree that enough has now been said and it's time to move on to different topics - At least in this thread.
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If a company isn't able to support a method of communication then it's very very simple, don't publicise it on your website in BIG BOLD characters.
Unfortunately, that also applies to VWR. I've read the review of their red Golf in car magazine, where it was suggested that VWR could help out with tuning GTIs. I've read enthusiastic posts by members of this and sister forum (especially RedRobin's very enthusiastic posts), I went to their webpage where they say
"We'd love to hear from you.
We'll endeavour to reply to every email sent as quickly as possible, but please leave us a few working days to respond"
which is not true, as some forum members learned. They've never replied to my emails, though I was prepared so spend my hard earned on their expensive products.
I do not blame them, racing is most important to them, but their advertising is utterly misleading. That is NOT how you do business.
....Perhaps you haven't read the post on this site by their MD Sam Roach in which he explains the transition they are going through and their awareness of their current shortcomings. I was with them again last week and can tell you first hand that they are very aware indeed of their current shortcomings outside racing. Solutions don't happen overnight.
Of course, it remains to be seen whether they successfully pursue this more public side of their business or allow their racing priorities to continue to compromise it. Personally, myself and a few others have no problems with the way they work now but I do understand those who do. It comes down to an individual's expectations again.
One thing is always true and that is that you can never satisfy everybody all of the time. :grin:
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bringing it back on topic.......
SO8 , Id look at it from the view of what you want to do with the car , drag strip / track days or just commuting??
Any issues you feel are substandard you would wish to improve on?
Do you want
1. more power , TBE etc
2. better handling e.g. springs / coilovers / ARB's / WALK / bushes
3. better brakes
4. more driver feedback e.g. engine mounts / exhaust
5. more in car toys. e.g. boost gauge
6. Visual fun e.g. wheels /tyres / carbon
7. DSG remap
how big is your wallet? :grin:
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who's in the 1%? :chicken:
Not me I hope :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :signIWS:
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I was just wondering if you could 'borrow' parts from cars at work S08? :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:
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I was gonna comment on the TC/RR/SP thing but I think it is better to bite my tongue.
I would have thought sorting out intake and exhaust would be a priority before going on to things like intercoolers, though IIRC T_T has an intercooler fitted to his MKV, with no other mods intially though he went for a revo remap thereafter. Wonder how it handles now.
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I'm not going to go on a witch hunt on here, but I have to agree with what seems to be constantly said about 2 companies in particular.
I have been trying to spend a not unsubstantial amount of money with both companies over the past couple of months and they just don't respond to emails or even phone calls very well, I even asked one directly on here if he wouldn't mind ringing me back as he had promised to do so, with no luck!
I'm now at the stage where I've changed my plans and I am looking at Revo, APR and Oettinger equipment as a result.
I used to own a tuning company back in the day and I made a name (moreso in the Subaru and Jap market) with my communication and customer service, so this kind of thing really matters to me and if I have to run around after a company, I walk...
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Bread & butter, Salt & Pepper, Cheese & Onion, Bread & Jam, Bra & Knickers, RRobin & Milltek,
anyone else think of anything that goes together?????? :laugh:
On a serious note I despite my previous unfavorable views of Milltek tried to contact them re any developments they may have for the Abarth 500, they have as yet to reply......... :angry015:
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Staying on topic, having recently removed my Evoms and sold it on, may I suggest an Evoms intake, my car is really lacking something since it been gone, I really notice its abscence and only now fully appreciate the gains as well as acoustics it gave. :sad1:
However getting the new car on the 21st july :driver: :rolleye: :driver:
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Bread & butter, Salt & Pepper, Cheese & Onion, Bread & Jam, Bra & Knickers, RRobin & Milltek,
anyone else think of anything that goes together?????? :laugh:
On a serious note I despite my previous unfavorable views of Milltek tried to contact them re any developments they may have for the Abarth 500, they have as yet to reply......... :angry015:
....Unless you want to stir it all up again, I think enough has been said by all, don't you? :smiley:
I reckon that Performance Exhausts & Air Intakes go together. You seem to be saying the same in your Reply #37.
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....Unless you want to stir it all up again, I think enough has been said by all, don't you? :smiley:
I reckon that Performance Exhausts & Air Intakes go together. You seem to be saying the same in your Reply #37.
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Wasn't really stirring, just highlighting how ive been let down 3 times by Milltek who feature heavily in this thread, other peoples bad experiences struck a chord with me.
The Salt & Pepper thing came to me as an after thought and was meant in good humour. :happy2:
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Wasn't really stirring, just highlighting how ive been let down 3 times by Milltek who feature heavily in this thread, other peoples bad experiences struck a chord with me.
The Salt & Pepper thing came to me as an after thought and was meant in good humour. :happy2:
....Okay, sorry, no problem, mate :happy2:
Let's just put it down to me still feeling just a wee bit sensitive and angry over some of the recent stuff that was claimed by a few who should know better in another thread (now locked). I'll get over it [/end of] < All is well which ends well :grouphug:
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It would be a mistake to get the Milltek without even hearing the APR!
Coz thats in another league! :laugh:
Think of it like this:
The Milltek exhaust in comparison to the APR exhaust, sound wise, is Leeds Utd. Languishing in the lower leagues.
The APR is like Manchester Utd, Champs League!
We both know that if they played each other, Man Utd would do an absolute JOB on Leeds!
LOL a worthwhile analogy i feel!
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ER...... I THINK........... i,m the 1%
:love: :ashamed: :embarrassed: :rolleye: :jumping:
matsu
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Dunno if I already posted it here or elsewhere but it's all down to individual taste - The bottom line is that sounds are energy vibrations which resonate positively or negatively with each of us. Furthermore, each of us has slightly different abilities to hear sound in its entire range.
I actually like all the sounds of APR, Blueflame, and Milltek (I haven't heard any others yet) - Personal taste and horses for courses. If I didn't have such a close and ongoing relationship with Milltek, then of course I'd be seriously considering the others.
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Back on topic....I recently joined this forum with my Ed 30 and the first upgrade was a re map. I did a trackday recently on sticky rubber and upgraded pads....worked well considering stock suspension.
Next on the list is suspension This week I will be slipping down the slope by spending yet more dosh....KW Clubsports, APR FP map. Dependant on the dyno results I an considering the possiblity of an exhaust although I'd rather use the money for a big brake kit TBH. The Euro has ruined prices.
Back to my choice I wanted cruise control so opted for APR for this very reason and the ease of changing maps by touching a button. I like their OE engineering approach. I could of and would have chosen Revo or Superchips as I know they have a high reputation...all good products with good reputations.
I have spent a huge amount with APR in the past and know their products and engineering behind the product. It is expensive I agree but tuning cars properly with good reputable company is never cheap.
I lost a shed load when I sold my APR Stage 3 car....I expected to though. This time around I will keep all of my stock parts and sell the car as stock as possible to recoup some of the costs.
Funnily I had a hybrid exhaust....APR DP and CAT then Milltek rear system. Prior to that I had a full Milltek. The exhaust was fine but later people went for other systems such as Blue Flame. BTW Oettinger was bought out a few years ago by APR.
I use TSR locally to me....Tom who now runs the company is very experienced and I will use them to fit my Quaiffe at some stage so I tend to use people I trust. TSR of old built my old race car's as did AmD when Mike and Geoff were operating in Oddington and prior to that Brian Ricketts so I've been around for many years. People will tend to defend companies they get good service from and post their experiences but when things don't go right you hope the company you purchase from will sort the matter out quickly and efficiently otherwise with the internet it can be very damaging.
One question.....Do Milltek flow test their systems on each model for maximum efficiency? Do they have the facilities for this?
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Sorry to drag this up and spam the thread at the same time, but I for one am getting quite tired at the baiting of Robin ... he's been around this and the 'other' forum a lot longer than some guys here and been around longer full stop ( :laugh:) Whatever you may think about his mods or perceived relationship with any tuners/companies, I think there is a point when the 'banter', 'baiting' or whatever you want to call it crosses a line and becomes disrespectful. I think this line is being crossed now and I hope it doesn't carry on as it poisons the atmosphere in the forum.
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I appreciate what you're saying Nadeem, but any 'conflicts' involving myself and some members of this forum have now been peacefully resolved.
There are absolutely no hard feelings and we have ALL learnt from our 'mistakes'.
It's inevitable that people clash from time to time - We're all only human.
I don't know what else to say except that no more needs to be said, my friend.
Peace :grouphug:
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Back on topic....
One question.....Do Milltek flow test their systems on each model for maximum efficiency? Do they have the facilities for this?
....Good question! I don't know the definitive answer but find it difficult to imagine that they don't. Afterall, flow is extremely important as I understand it.
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No problem Robin... I actually saw the recent post on this thread and felt I had to say something... didn't realise that the 16th july was a few days ago :signIWS: Sort of lost track of time abroad so I am out of synch with whats going on here as I couldn't log in too much while there. :happy2: But I am glad things are back to normal :grouphug:
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Robin, I do believe you are trying to defend Milltek by questioning the way I have tried to contact them and to a degree suggesting it's my issue for not chasing them down at shows etc but as we always tend to say here ETTO. :smiley:
Also my comment you have quoted is purely saying that there is more of a market out there than just Milltek.
The quality of their product is OK and generally I have been happy with the system, there are some things I personally have grown to dislike and this was the reason for attempting to contact them.
As they haven't bothered to acknowledge my questions/comments this is what has lead me to say I wouldn't recommend them and if I can find a suitable alternative I would look to sell on the Milltek.
>I have chosen the APR and must say that it's impressive how the can displace the sound to the rear of the car, have a friend with the milltek, excellent quality, but the sound is so different. Try the APR and you won't look back :driver:
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>I have chosen the APR and must say that it's impressive how the can displace the sound to the rear of the car, have a friend with the milltek, excellent quality, but the sound is so different. Try the APR and you won't look back
....Yes, I was impressed with the APR when I rode in WhiteGTI's - I found it generally sounded louder outside the car than inside and it's a very sporty exhaust note, 'harsher' (less low frequencies) than the Milltek to my musician's ears. Personally, I wanted to hear more from inside the car throughout the rev range, but that's just me. I need another ride, Chris!
I would describe the Milltek sound as 'stronger' (more low frequencies and with greater range) but closer to the sound of a road car. However, it screams like a good 'un when given some revs. I think that their own words on their web site: FAQs: Sound Information: Q & A, describes their offerings accurately.
I haven't ridden inside Mat's Blueflame to be able to comment more fully. Sounds great outside though!
It's great that as consumers we are faced with several quite differing choices. We are each likely to be very happy indeed with whichever performance exhaust system we choose if it's one of the well established and proven ones. Which sounds resonate with us as individuals is very subjective - I like bass! (and the sound of a F1 Ferrari V10!).
Linky : - Milltek Sound Information FAQs.... (http://www.millteksport.com/exhaust.faqs.cfm)
To answer the OP, if not already answered, about which first - My answer is exhaust first over intercooler, just because you already have a remap and it'll benefit from being 'unlocked'. Intercooler can come later, no harm will be done meanwhile as the stock cooler is considered to be a good one.
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I would defo go with exhause first matey, I had the full TBE Milltek on my old ED30 and boy did it make a difference! :happy2:
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You can have another ride in the car Robin, no problems.
To S08: you MUST visit your local tuners and hear the different exhausts in person, both from outside the car and inside. Sound is a very individual taste, and only you can decide which is best. In terms of performance they all give roughly the same power increases, in my opinion for road use it is only the sound and look of the tailpipe that should affect your decision!
S08, where are you based? If you are in Hampshire/Berkshire/Surrey area then we can arrange for you to hear mine if you wish.
I almost get the feeling that people on the VAG forums automatically jump into buying a Milltek. No doubt that they are a good product and have a good reputation with VAG cars, but it almost seems to me that people just jump on the bandwagon without fully considering the alternatives.
When I first came onto the forums, absolutely everyone had a Milltek, and it kind of made me think that it was the right choice to go for, but I'm so happy that I researched the alternatives **(Cue for a Top Cat comment here)**, so that I was able to make an informed decision. I was really happy when Blueflame came along on this forum and offered their system at a good price, its good to see some variation.
Listen to them all, and make a decision based upon that....thats the best advice that I can give!
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You can have another ride in the car Robin, no problems.
....And vica-versa, especially as I can now show off the grrrrrrrrrrr!! sound from my engine mounts.
To S08: you MUST visit your local tuners and hear the different exhausts in person, both from outside the car and inside. Sound is a very individual taste, and only you can decide which is best. In terms of performance they all give roughly the same power increases, in my opinion for road use it is only the sound and look of the tailpipe that should affect your decision!
.... +1. Also the look of the tailpipe is something I forgot to mention. Not many of us like the new Mk6 GTI tailpipe look!
I almost get the feeling that people on the VAG forums automatically jump into buying a Milltek. No doubt that they are a good product and have a good reputation with VAG cars, but it almost seems to me that people just jump on the bandwagon without fully considering the alternatives.
.... +1. I started off on Tyresmoke forum 4 years ago, researching info on the Mk5 GTI I had ordered. Tyresmoke was originally a breakaway from an Audi forum and no other exhaust than Milltek was even mentioned. The main reason was that Milltek have been established for over 30 years and have a good reputation regarding performance and 'good taste' (not boy-racer). That's why I chose a Milltek and then I woke up to find myself on the slippery slope of modding! So beware!! Absolutely no regrets though - In fact the contrary.
At the time, I thought that my life on car forums would end when my GTI was delivered 12 weeks later < :stupid:
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Did you know Milltek supply Bentley wit their exhausts?
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Did you know Milltek supply Bentley wit their exhausts?
....No, I didn't - We learn something new every day :happy2:
I assume that you are saying that Milltek supply Bentley with their stock oem exhausts. If so, I wonder how long they have been doing that for. I know they started off their business with the big Austin Healeys.
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Yeah they supply OE zorsts for Bentley and started up their business in Somerset (Taunton I believe).
Remus and Sebring always made great exhausts for VW's in the early years.
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One question.....Do Milltek flow test their systems on each model for maximum efficiency? Do they have the facilities for this?
I would anticipate (or at least hope) that this is done at the design/prototype stage. But I wouldn't think that it would be cost effective to test every single product which leaves the factory.
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One question.....Do Milltek flow test their systems on each model for maximum efficiency? Do they have the facilities for this?
I would anticipate (or at least hope) that this is done at the design/prototype stage. But I wouldn't think that it would be cost effective to test every single product which leaves the factory.
I can remember one of the Milltek directors at Mallory Pk VW trackday stating they 'didn't' flow test them.
I assume you would need some hi tech equipment to measure flow?
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I can remember one of the Milltek directors at Mallory Pk VW trackday stating they 'didn't' flow test them.
I assume you would need some hi tech equipment to measure flow?
....I'll be seeing Mr Milltek himself at the weekend so I'll try to remember to ask. The question has got me curious now.
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Yeah he had his V8WOT RS4 then....he was chatting in amongst ourselves in the canteen at Mallory...we were a bit surprised.
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It would be a mistake to get the Milltek without even hearing the APR!
Coz thats in another league! :laugh:
Think of it like this:
The Milltek exhaust in comparison to the APR exhaust, sound wise, is Leeds Utd. Languishing in the lower leagues.
The APR is like Manchester Utd, Champs League!
We both know that if they played each other, Man Utd would do an absolute JOB on Leeds!
LOL a worthwhile analogy i feel!
Totally disagree, and it is down to personal taste of tone of sound you prefer which we all prefer differently.
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I have APR RSC on my car, and done 10 000 kilometers with, so far with no issues.
A friend has the Milltek non res, i has to be tagged/wellded to stop it sliding back :stupid:
He bought the Milltek before i bought my APR. He would gladly trade the Milltek for an APR :laugh: