MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Performance Modifications => Topic started by: Msportman on July 12, 2009, 10:53:25 pm
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Anyone have experience on these on the Ed 30?
I want to keep it quiet as possible on the inside for the missus. A boomy exhaust is not what I'm looking for.
What sort of prices did you pay for the full turbo back package?
My old Milltek on the MKIV was quiet initially on the K03s but was much noisier when I put the APR DP cat linking it to stage 3+ :confused:
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I think there is only one of our members on here with the APR TBE and that is WhiteGTI. :smiley:
And his sounds like no other, i was listening to it on the rollers at the last meet and it sounded like a spit-fire. :evilgrin:
I have no idea what it is like inside, but from the outside it was both loud and boisterous.
Its a question of personal tastes once again, all i can say is i loved it. :happy2:
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stay away from miltek . mine has broke 3 times . i have given up on them and now repair it when it needs doing .
compare the std exhuast where it fixes to the car near the dog bone mount and then compare the miltek . i have some pics somewhere of it
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I think there is only one of our members on here with the APR TBE and that is WhiteGTI. :smiley:
And his sounds like no other, i was listening to it on the rollers at the last meet and it sounded like a spit-fire. :evilgrin:
I have no idea what it is like inside, but from the outside it was both loud and boisterous.
Its a question of personal tastes once again, all i can say is i loved it. :happy2:
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Do yoy know if it was Res or Non Res?
I think they do some new technology for quiet running but I haven't heard one. I need it as quiet inside the car as possible to avoid upsetting the family :party:
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std vw exhuast
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi39.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fe191%2Fgillm%2Fmk1033-1.jpg&hash=08d0386c35892a1a84f63be048e915534761b76d)
milltek
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doesnt cohiba run an APR system too ?
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std vw exhuast
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi39.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fe191%2Fgillm%2Fmk1033-1.jpg&hash=08d0386c35892a1a84f63be048e915534761b76d)
milltek
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi39.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fe191%2Fgillm%2F24112007092.jpg&hash=73db99c2e47bd57fc3411895c8a46d5ca0208f43)
That's not good...the stock OE exhaust sounds quite nice IMO.
I am wondering if I leave the stock exhaust in place with the APR fuel pump and their FP map on stage 1 will give some improvement. APR exhaust is £1300 quid without fitment...oouch. :sad:
Don't Milltek replace it under their lifetime warranty scheme?
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milltek did pay for it to be repaired . they offered to fix it at their workshop which was over 200 miles away , which i declined .
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Can't you just get the uprated DP mated to the OEM exhaust with a downsizer? I'm sure people have done that...
Then, send it over to Pipewerx (or you're local, friendly 'zorst gaff) to have the ends changed for a couple of beefier looking ones.
Power released, nice and quiet and looks the part for £xxx less. :happy2:
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Can't you just get the uprated DP mated to the OEM exhaust with a downsizer? I'm sure people have done that...
Then, send it over to Pipewerx (or you're local, friendly 'zorst gaff) to have the ends changed for a couple of beefier looking ones.
Power released, nice and quiet and looks the part for £xxx less. :happy2:
Nice thought.
Will look at that.
Gillm....surprised re your Milltek....I didn't have issues with mine on the MKIV. Thought they had a good reputation for quality.
Should replace on a no quibble warranty rather than making you travel for repairs. Perhaps they would like to pay for the fuel and time!
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not seen a mk4 system so i can't comment . they didn't offer to pay for fuel or my time , even if they did offer i would not have done it . they should have replaced it SIMPLE
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Blue Flame are cheaper anyway?
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Blue Flame are cheaper anyway?
Never had any dealings with Blue Flame. Are they quiet in the cabin? I don't mind a 'slight' increase but want to ensure quiet motorway cruising to keep it refined.
May consider meeting up at a RR day before comitting.
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SteveP has had both Resonated and Non-Resonated Milltek on his Ed30, IIRC.
Soundwise, the APR and Milltek and Blueflame are all different - It's very subjective which you prefer - Totally down to the individual.
They all give good aftersales service given half the chance.
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u guys need to hear the blueflame :evilgrin: so nice on the mtr way but give it some and :evilgrin:
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You're so right about sound, Mat. A close mate of mine (famous musician) came round last night and we got into a long deep chat about how we are all effected by sound and its quality - Not just in music and language, but any and every sound. Naturally I brought into our conversation the responses people have to exhaust sounds.
Bottom line is that sounds are energy vibrations which resonate positively or negatively with each of us. Furthermore, each of us has slightly different abilities to hear sound in its entire range.
And no! We both gave up the wacky baccy several decades ago!!
Much as I love both the APR and Blueflame sound on the GTI, my latest Milltek version suits me better (until I hear the slightly louder one when it's ready).
It's an individual thing :drinking:
P.S. - I'd love to hear your Blueflame from inside your car one day, Mat :happy2:
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i am an ex musician myself lol played guitar for about 10 years but in metal bands :happy2: but gave it up a few years ago as there just was not enough time in the day to practice :sad:
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My non-res Milltek was fine on the standard DP, but with a 3" decat it is now stupid loud.
Around town and cruising on the motorway it's pleasant, thankfully, but as soon as you give it some it goes from a boom, to a howl, to a scream. Completely takes over the cabin, you can't hear music or speech. It also pops and bangs on DSG changes and overrun like a WRC car.
Thing is, I can't seem to get around to buying a resonated centre section :evilgrin:
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i am an ex musician myself lol played guitar for about 10 years but in metal bands :happy2:
....So you need a REALLY LOUD!! exhaust system so you can hear it at all :grin: :evilgrin:
:happy2:
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Thing is, I can't seem to get around to buying a resonated centre section :evilgrin:
.... :signLOL: Brilliant!! I literally laughed out loud reading this.
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doesnt cohiba run an APR system too ?
Yes, he does. :happy2:
Both systems sound great and look great and once run in, The APR one is a little louder than the Milly.
If I was in the market for a full system now, I would probably take a punt at the Blueflame one. :smiley:
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If I was in the market for a full system now, I would probably take a punt at the Blueflame one. :smiley:
think I would as well, even just for the price difference :happy2:
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its all about the girth :P
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fd122%2Fmat138l%2Fblueflame3.jpg&hash=91538be37d59778e0c41f64587720a0d04c83c06)
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its all about the girth :P
....Indeed. Stop boasting, Mat!
Girth is sometimes overlooked but can be very important, especially to.......
[Dare I post a link?] :evilgrin:
Of course I dare!! Linky : - Milly's Guide To Girth.... (http://ezinearticles.com/?Why-Penis-Girth-Is-Important&id=66704)
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Hey, I'm packing 3 inches too.... and mine's derestricted :wink:
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Oh dear....I can see where this thread is going :signLOL:
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Anyone have experience on these on the Ed 30?
I want to keep it quiet as possible on the inside for the missus. A boomy exhaust is not what I'm looking for.
....The only way to decide is for you and possibly your missus to listen in some actual cars with the different exhausts.
Us lot can tell you what we think but it's really a very subjective decision.
[Phew! Are we back on topic?]
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Milly TBE resonated
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi156.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft8%2Fhurdy_album%2Fth_hlight016.jpg&hash=552f93e4e7d2bb55766b18d599c9f7649101d742) (http://s156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/hurdy_album/?action=view¤t=hlight016.flv)
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^^^^
I know you're trying to be helpful, Hurdy, but unfortunately 99.9% of vid sound clips don't do any exhaust sounds justice. I wish it was otherwise but drive-by's are usually better and we always need to know how an exhaust sounds inside the car over a reasonable distance and at a variety of speeds.
[That is, of course, in my not so humble opinion :happy2:]
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i think the next meet we have someone bring a cam corder then we can get some sound clips done
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i think the next meet we have someone bring a cam corder then we can get some sound clips done
You'll not hear the zorst in my car for the Evoms :signLOL:
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i think the next meet we have someone bring a cam corder then we can get some sound clips done
You'll not hear the zorst in my car for the Evoms :signLOL:
you will not hear your evoms for my zorst :laugh:
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i think the next meet we have someone bring a cam corder then we can get some sound clips done
You'll not hear the zorst in my car for the Evoms :signLOL:
you will not hear your evoms for my zorst :laugh:
....And you won't hear either for my engine mounts going Grrrrrrr!!
:signLOL: - Great exchange you two guys!
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i think the next meet we have someone bring a cam corder then we can get some sound clips done
....That would be an excellent idea.
Same recording equipment on same day and same sequence of recording events = A much more realistic comparison.
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i think the next meet we have someone bring a cam corder then we can get some sound clips done
You'll not hear the zorst in my car for the Evoms :signLOL:
you will not hear your evoms for my zorst :laugh:
....And you won't hear either for my engine mounts going Grrrrrrr!!
:signLOL: - Great exchange you two guys!
no mate thats not the sound of your mounts its the sound of your zimmer frame :signLOL: :wink:
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....And you won't hear either for my engine mounts going Grrrrrrr!!
no mate thats not the sound of your mounts its the sound of your zimmer frame :signLOL: :wink:
:love:
....Don't knock it until you've tried it - It's a great zimmer frame, custom built by Halfrauds (not Milltek nor VWR!) in pink, and doubles as a chair.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FRedRobin_05%2FRR%2FRR_fingerVWRMatt.jpg&hash=70d78bfe0fabb96ac335f67b7c99f6b074b5ea11)
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:signLOL: :laugh:
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Is it the new 3" diameter catless zimmerframe being roadtested currently by you RR?
Specs...
3" straight through piping with lighteight montube design for easy direction changes
Race spec solid rubber base mounts for all terrain feedback
Nomex heated handrails for all weather grip.
:innocent:
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Is it the new 3" diameter catless zimmerframe being roadtested currently by you RR?
Specs...
3" straight through piping with lighteight montube design for easy direction changes
Race spec solid rubber base mounts for all terrain feedback
Nomex heated handrails for all weather grip.
:innocent:
:signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL: - Nice one!
The ability to quickly change direction for chicanery is invaluable. It also has one or two other specs I can't tell you about but after it's been publicly released you won't be able to shut me up!
A full review will be posted in due course.
:evilgrin:
P.S. - Sincerest apologies to the OP but off-topic banter is very difficult to avoid on forums. < Perhaps I should write that in my sig so that I don't have to keep repeating it.
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Is it the new 3" diameter catless zimmerframe being roadtested currently by you RR?
Specs...
3" straight through piping with lighteight montube design for easy direction changes
Race spec solid rubber base mounts for all terrain feedback
Nomex heated handrails for all weather grip.
:innocent:
Don't forget the waterproof seat base, for those little OAP accidents.................
:grin: :ashamed:
:happy2:
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Thanks for all your reply's some of which off topic but a giggle a minute :laugh:
I'm at the point of discussing options of APR FP Stage 1 FP map or going the whole hog with stage 2 and exhaust...watch this space :driver:
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For the ED30 / Pirelli editions...
Am I right in thinking the Milltek TBE aren't 3" the whole way back?
i.e. they drop back to 2.75" after the downpipe, as they do with a standard GTI system.
i'd have thought the extra airflow from a k04 would benefit from the larger volume.
On the surface my options were similar to the OP - Milltek or APR (3" right through), but now I'm considering the Milltek catted DP and having a 3" custom rear section made locally. Any thoughts on that approach?
After reading how some of the APR guys are acting on golfmkv.com, I'm not too keen on supporting that company anymore.
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^^^ The blueflame system is a true 3" from the downpipe all the way :happy2:
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I went out in "white Gti's" with the APR TBE and i loved it, normal driving was near as damn it stock but under the loud pedal it was really raspy and plenty of pops. Has certainly made an inpact, when i do the zorst i will listen to a BF and a Milly but they both have an upward battle to beat the APR!! :happy2:
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I went out in "white Gti's" with the APR TBE and i loved it, normal driving was near as damn it stock but under the loud pedal it was really raspy and plenty of pops. Has certainly made an inpact, when i do the zorst i will listen to a BF and a Milly but they both have an upward battle to beat the APR!! :happy2:
I bought the APR RSC and haven't regretted it a second, even the missus is getting used to it. I've had it for 4 month :driver:
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Will the Milltek 3" dpipe fit a GTi with the K03?
Thanks lads.
Sie
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Will the Milltek 3" dpipe fit a GTi with the K03?
Thanks lads.
Sie
Yes no problem. :happy2:
You will lose a tiny bit of bottom end torque, but that just helps reduce wheel spin a bit off the line.
There are a couple of us KO 3 guys with 3in pipes. :smiley:
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Will the Milltek 3" dpipe fit a GTi with the K03?
Thanks lads.
Sie
Yes no problem. :happy2:
You will lose a tiny bit of bottom end torque, but that just helps reduce wheel spin a bit off the line.
There are a couple of us KO 3 guys with 3in pipes. :smiley:
Has anyone ever presented any data that correctly collected, normalized and analyzed regarding a loss of low end torque with a 3" dp?
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Will the Milltek 3" dpipe fit a GTi with the K03?
Thanks lads.
Sie
Yes no problem. :happy2:
You will lose a tiny bit of bottom end torque, but that just helps reduce wheel spin a bit off the line.
There are a couple of us KO 3 guys with 3in pipes. :smiley:
Has anyone ever presented any data that correctly collected, normalized and analyzed regarding a loss of low end torque with a 3" dp?
Not that i know of, i am pretty sure non of the players have bothered yet. I am confident Blueflame have not.
From a personal point of view i definitely felt a bit of loss at first and noticed i could control fast starts off the line a little easier. I put this down to a little bit less torque. :smiley:
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its all about the girth :P
....Indeed. Stop boasting, Mat!
Girth is sometimes overlooked but can be very important, especially to.......
[Dare I post a link?] :evilgrin:
Of course I dare!! Linky : - Milly's Guide To Girth.... (http://ezinearticles.com/?Why-Penis-Girth-Is-Important&id=66704)
I'm wondering why you needed to research such a subject in such detail? :popcornsoda: