MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Performance Modifications => Topic started by: ell.s on March 06, 2013, 08:54:58 pm
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Had my gti stage 1'd yesterday at R-tech and after driving it all day today I wish I had done it sooner the service is top notch and the results far outweigh those of others, I have driven my mates car with a revo map on and after he drove mine, we both agreed mine drives far superior to his and he's now considering going down to have his done. So in short R-tech have done it again. :happy2:
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What were yr figures mate, lol??
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We aim to please every time and provide the very best and latest tuning methods.
I am glad you got home safe and sound and are enjoying your remap :-)
Thank you for taking the time out to give us some feedback, it all helps keeping our costs low :-)
See u when ya need more power, take care
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Yet another satisfied customer! :-D
Will be down to see you soon Nick, get my WMi kit properly tuned in! ;-)
Andrew
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We aim to please every time and provide the very best and latest tuning methods.
I am glad you got home safe and sound and are enjoying your remap :-)
Thank you for taking the time out to give us some feedback, it all helps keeping our costs low :-)
See u when ya need more power, take care
Read some good reviews on you guys and will be bringing my gt140 to see you soon for a remap and egr delete code in.
:)
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R-tech really are one of the best tuning companies in country, service is second to none. Having had my old 1.8t remapped there previously I cannot wait to take my 2.0 tfsi gti there so they can work their magic!
Top work nick!
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It made 260bhp with 309ftlb :laugh: im itching for more already.
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nice, was that their Stage 2??
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stage 1 mate, :smiley:
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EGTs must be through the roof.
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EGTs must be through the roof.
Not if Nicks mapped it :stupid:
He won't sacrifice component protection for a few extra horses
@OP - it's good to hear the experience of someone who has driven R-Tech and Revo maps :happy2:
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EGTs must be through the roof.
As above, Nick is best in business and would not let a customer drive away with a map that is not spot on.
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Lets see the EGTs output from 2-5k at WOT, if the K03 really is making 260bhp / 310lbft with OEM down pipe inc. pre-cat brick wall and 800 cell cat... Then it's either... Not a TFSI but A TSI motor in which case not a K03, Or There is exhaust development, or the figures are to be taken with a pinch of saline.
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The pre cat isn't in, the car was producing around 270 but nick brought it back down to bring the EGTs down to a safe level.
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EGTs must be through the roof.
Not if Nicks mapped it :stupid:
He won't sacrifice component protection for a few extra horses
@OP - it's good to hear the experience of someone who has driven R-Tech and Revo maps :happy2:
We couldn't believe the difference between the 2 to be honest the revo didn't respond anywhere near as well on my friends car with near identical mods. Just the pre cat delete and a neuspeed/k&n.
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What can you safely get from what would be regarded as stage2+ on a KO4?
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That's more like a stage 1.5, taking into account the pre-cat delete and CAI
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After the reviews and what enthusiasts are saying R-tech is the only place to go!! :driver:
I too had my first R-tech Custom Stage 1 in November. Nick was honest with me and told me that it was down on power to start with (pulled 192bhp in standard form) and with the map made 232.8 and 286.6lbft. Nick explain what he thought was the issue and spent way more time than he actually needed to to make my car run like Nick and i wanted it to.
Nick told me that the diverter valve was leaking (was a rev D) and that he suspected a cracked turbo.
Changed the diverter valve and it was amazing...
had the car in at Statller as i am based in sheffield to check the turbo and sure enough it was cracked and the cat was knackered.
changed the turbo and really did get the full force of the map nick had done. i need to take it back to r-tech to have a power run to see what its actually running. :laugh:
To quote nick "night and Day" is bang on, so happy with the car.
glad your enjoying your newly transformed car :happy2:
as the kids say these days... im 'well jel' of your figures.
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Im from sheffield too it was well worth the trip down, atleast you found the issues mate I think I will be going back down soon when I get my downpipe fitted and a few other bits. :happy2:
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5th gear full load run calculated EGTs 918deg @6900rpm @ .81 lambda the egt model will be wrong as the pre cat has been removed so actual egts at .81 will be closer to 850deg. At 945deg calculated egt the fuel maps will change to a protection map to fuel at .78 .76 to aid wall wetting and ruduce combustion temps.
The TIV+ mapping allows for a better / fast ramp on the ingnition timing outputs which lower egts by upto 100-150deg is some cases. Plus my method of rail pressure mapping from the high pressure pump allow for much better combustion, plus our cam timing setup.. There is no other stage 1 map out there that will be running TIV+ mapping links with all the extra we do.
This is writing maps for a passion, not to make a franchise and make profits selling all for one safe maps.
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And what can you get from a KO4 car with relevant stage2+ parts? :-)
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what MPG are you getting with your new map?
I have stage 1 R-Tech and pre cat delete and my mpg is still down in the low-mid 20s (last tank averaged 25.6mpg on my iphone mpg calculator and i was going carefully!)
Been back to R-Tech 2 or 3 times, changed many bits inc most recently the MAF and it still hasn't changed..
Love the power but even with my power im sure my MPG is lower than it should be still.
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I get avg of 25 too....
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How much do you want?
400bhp 400lbft could be had if your running all your hardware to flow. THS fmic with larger boost pipes inc discharge pipe, highflow decat system, decent intake / high flow induction kit, nology silver plugs, WMI ect..
If your using run of the mill bolt ons, forge twintercooler, twintake, stock discharge pipes, sports cat then expect 350-365bhp tops.
The more u do with the hardware the aid the flow the more power you will get, all our work is custom so we never really quote numbers as we map to the hardware limits
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what MPG are you getting with your new map?
I have stage 1 R-Tech and pre cat delete and my mpg is still down in the low-mid 20s (last tank averaged 25.6mpg on my iphone mpg calculator and i was going carefully!)
Been back to R-Tech 2 or 3 times, changed many bits inc most recently the MAF and it still hasn't changed..
Love the power but even with my power im sure my MPG is lower than it should be still.
Mk5 tfsi mpg is hit and miss at all stages for some reason. The mk4 1.8t will make about same mpg avg at all stages, stage 1 and stage 2 can see upto 33-37mpg on 99% of setups.
I would love to know why some tfsi are so poor on mpg, stock and http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=720421
Many factors driving style manual or DSG ect. DSG cars tend to get lower mpg reading. There is a huge variation in mpg. You car seems to be in tip top condition now.
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Yeah. Just demoralising getting so little especially on runs where I'm being careful and sticking to 70.
After the first time you mapped it, it was great. 30+mpg on a run and 28ish even after a hoon. I think removing the pre car made a big difference in mpg as its after that ( and the subsequent visit to re tune) that its dipped.
Can't complain with the power or the service from r-tech though who has been brilliant.
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Yeah. Just demoralising getting so little especially on runs where I'm being careful and sticking to 70.
After the first time you mapped it, it was great. 30+mpg on a run and 28ish even after a hoon. I think removing the pre car made a big difference in mpg as its after that ( and the subsequent visit to re tune) that its dipped.
Can't complain with the power or the service from r-tech though who has been brilliant.
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It hard to see how and why mpg is lower, it's running lambda 1 for cruise and not trims anywhere during cruise. Fuel enrichment by driver demend starts at 80% throttle and .98 2500 rpm .89 3500 rpm
And .84 4500rpm. all I can think is added drag somewhere? Another thing we can try is to refit pre cat? I have an exhaust here we can test. Another thing could be is some of the pre cat sitting in the main cat and reducing flow??
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had loads of remaps to various cars my mk4 pd 150 had about 4 diff maps no one came close to r tech in terms fo quality and customer service, had my mk5 remapped by another company really really wish i never had it done bt then, will be goign down to rtech instead now
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what MPG are you getting with your new map?
I have stage 1 R-Tech and pre cat delete and my mpg is still down in the low-mid 20s (last tank averaged 25.6mpg on my iphone mpg calculator and i was going carefully!)
Been back to R-Tech 2 or 3 times, changed many bits inc most recently the MAF and it still hasn't changed..
Love the power but even with my power im sure my MPG is lower than it should be still.
I get around 31-35 avg on the motorway driving between 70 and 90 and around sheffields hill laden town and B roads which is where most of my driving occurs I get around 25-27 but if drive steady I can get 30 relatively easy.
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what MPG are you getting with your new map?
I have stage 1 R-Tech and pre cat delete and my mpg is still down in the low-mid 20s (last tank averaged 25.6mpg on my iphone mpg calculator and i was going carefully!)
Been back to R-Tech 2 or 3 times, changed many bits inc most recently the MAF and it still hasn't changed..
Love the power but even with my power im sure my MPG is lower than it should be still.
I get around 31-35 avg on the motorway driving between 70 and 90 and around sheffields hill laden town and B roads which is where most of my driving occurs I get around 25-27 but if drive steady I can get 30 relatively easy.
Is yours DSG or manual? If manual how is your clutch getting on?
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It's manual mate it seems to be fine not slipped at all yet,the way Nick has mapped it there a nice gradual smooth curve so it's not just all of a sudden loading the clutch up. :happy2:
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Sounds good to me!
Il be taking my manual Gti to see nick in a couple of months. Im running similar mods so should get similar figures :-)
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make sure you have a G rev DV in before you go. :happy2:
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I have a supposedly cr@ppy superchips map with pre-cat delete (just shy of 250bhp), I can easily get 40MPG on a run if I don't do more than 65mph. I average around 34.
For the sake of 10bhp I'd rather save £'s on fuel.
Going to try a decent CAI next, see if this alters the BHP and Economy, surely it's all about balance on these cars, they aren't Ferraris after all. :smiley:
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I have a supposedly cr@ppy superchips map with pre-cat delete (just shy of 250bhp), I can easily get 40MPG on a run if I don't do more than 65mph. I average around 34.
For the sake of 10bhp I'd rather save £'s on fuel.
Going to try a decent CAI next, see if this alters the BHP and Economy, surely it's all about balance on these cars, they aren't Ferraris after all. :smiley:
My old Stage 1 R-Tech Mapped GTI (with pre-cat removed) easily managed 40+mpg on a run - especially using cruise control :happy2:
That made 248bhp on R-Tech's dyno.
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Not much between the maps then? The SC does make less torque, mine made ~280 lb/ft, but I prefer that TBH, as it's kinder on the OEM clutch and has less tendancy to spin in the damp - no point having more torque if that translates to losing grip. Especially laughable in some VAG diesels, 400lb/ft through FWD - feel very quick, but rubbish for 80% of the time when it's damp in the UK.
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Not much between the maps then? The SC does make less torque, mine made ~280 lb/ft, but I prefer that TBH, as it's kinder on the OEM clutch and has less tendancy to spin in the damp - no point having more torque if that translates to losing grip. Especially laughable in some VAG diesels, 400lb/ft through FWD - feel very quick, but rubbish for 80% of the time when it's damp in the UK.
I could easily attain 40mpg if I didnt go over 65 mph but wheres the fun in that?
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Not much between the maps then? The SC does make less torque, mine made ~280 lb/ft, but I prefer that TBH, as it's kinder on the OEM clutch and has less tendancy to spin in the damp - no point having more torque if that translates to losing grip. Especially laughable in some VAG diesels, 400lb/ft through FWD - feel very quick, but rubbish for 80% of the time when it's damp in the UK.
I could easily attain 40mpg if I didnt go over 65 mph but wheres the fun in that?
Seems about right then.
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Not much between the maps then? The SC does make less torque, mine made ~280 lb/ft, but I prefer that TBH, as it's kinder on the OEM clutch and has less tendancy to spin in the damp - no point having more torque if that translates to losing grip. Especially laughable in some VAG diesels, 400lb/ft through FWD - feel very quick, but rubbish for 80% of the time when it's damp in the UK.
I could easily attain 40mpg if I didnt go over 65 mph but wheres the fun in that?
Seems about right then.
As I've said in other posts. Peak figures are pretty much the same across the range of maps available. It's how they drive that matters :evilgrin:
I used to get 40+mpg with cruise control on at 70mph, don't see the point in speeding up, sitting up someone's arse, slowing down etc so I just sit at 70 and relax, can usually hold that speed well as long as I plan in advance for overtaking. Never find I get anywhere quicker trying to drive fast, so don't bother.
I save the acceleration and "fun" side for the country lanes :driver:
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make sure you have a G rev DV in before you go. :happy2:
Yes I have a new rev G ready to fit at the same time :-)
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I have a supposedly cr@ppy superchips map with pre-cat delete (just shy of 250bhp), I can easily get 40MPG on a run if I don't do more than 65mph. I average around 34.
For the sake of 10bhp I'd rather save £'s on fuel.
Going to try a decent CAI next, see if this alters the BHP and Economy, surely it's all about balance on these cars, they aren't Ferraris after all. :smiley:
I tried a CAI. ITG.. hated it and it lasted about 1 week before I swapped back.
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OOps, just ordered a Volant CAI from the states, probably a lot quieter than an open air cone, will see :smiley:
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I love my R-tech stage 1 custom map... my front tyres do not!! :laugh:
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I went to see Nick and co on Friday, again, had my water/methanol injection tuned into my car. The kit had already been excellently fitted and set up by Statllers in Sheffield, but wanted to go to my trusted tuner, ie. Nick, as i have done many times. In terms of peak figures, not a huge gain on the day, but probably down to hardware (or lack thereof). Note that i was already seeing/feeling gains because of the WMi, oh yes, and some little pops when foot is planted!! :signLOL:
For those in any doubt, get WMi if you can, you will feel immediate gains, but get it properly tuned in, by the likes of Nick!! Met a number of other 'victims' on the day whilst i was there, all very knowledgable lads, and all wanting Nick to work his usual magic!! Everyone has only but good words to say about R Tech, his service is second to none as always, im just flabbergasted why people dont go there as matter of course for their tuning!! For some the journey there might be long, but worth every mile in my eyes, and the money you'd save on an R Tech map will more than pay for the petrol there i'm sure!!
Oh lastly, Nick also put a 12.5% stronger spring in my Rev G DV, don't know the full technical reasoning behind that to be honest, but yes, i could feel a smoother response when driving, although that could be psychological, lol!! :evilgrin:
My car goes in every gear now and the straight line on the graph he gave me proves the car keeps it's power right up until 7000 rpm!! :rolleye:
In Jeremy's infamous words, 'Get one of these!' - ie GO TO R TECH!!!!!
Andrew
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You finding the spring to make the car sharper and crisper between gear changes with less flutter??
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Hi Nick, do i notice a big difference, perhaps not, but then again you have an eye for things like this, i am usually in my own oblivious world, lol!! Have i heard any fluttering since, no, not really, but didn't really notice any fluttering beforehand tbh!! I havent really done much driving since last friday, but if i notice anything else in the coming days/weeks, i shall report back accordingly...
Thanks again for all your help
See you again soon no doubt ref the S3 IC.. :drinking:
Andrew