MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Members Rides => Topic started by: jonnyc on July 23, 2009, 01:16:57 pm
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Hey all..
So thought I would get something started on this one..
Quick background story on the car first of all..
I bought the car new back in 07' and it went through quite a transformation, from a high spec standard car to the first big turbo MKII S3 in the UK, and I think at that point, the world!
Here are a few pics of the transformation, pics speak for themselves..
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I then sold the car and pursued the MK5 ED30, building (on a standard turbo) the fastest MK5 GTI in the UK (despite what some people say/claim) The fastest 2.0T FSI powered car in the UK and the the fastest DSG MK5 in the world, and all on the standard K04 turbo..
That was great fun, but really I felt that I wanted a change and when I saw that my old S3 was back up for sale, I jumped at the chance.. Big mistake so it seems...
I collected the car from Leeds (about 60 miles from where I live) and by the time I was home the car was struggling to even run.. Anyways after lots of investigation over the past week it turns out that its melted piston no. 1.. The head is being taken off tomorrow and we should then know what else has happened! Hopefully its just a case of a small hone to that cylinder and drop in some nice new low compression pistons and forged rods and away we go..
So for the next 3 or more weeks the car is going to be off the road, having the engine and turbo kit built..
Here is the spec that im aiming for on the car, this should make a pretty nice car!
Engine
* BSH race turbo kit - Purge welded tubular V-banded manifold
* GT3076R turbo with anti surge comp housing, billet compressor wheel, metal bearing cages, race spec bearings and Tial V-band exhaust housing
* Tial MVS 38mm V-band external wastegate
* Forged rods - non tapered little end
* Low compression Je pistons (yet to decide on bore or CR)
* Coated con rod bearing kit
* ARP 2000 rod bolts
* ARP 2000 head stud kit
* Revo stage 3 software
* N2MB Wot Box - 2-step / flat shift option
* OEM Audi RS4 injectors
* Autotech High pressure fuel pump
* Forge Motorsport remote DV kit
* Forge Motorsport PCV fix / catch can kit
* Forge Motorsport twintercooler kit
* Custom throttle body to intercooler pipe
* Forge Motorsport Twintake kit
* 76mm v-band downpipe
* 38mm v-band dump tube
* 76mm Ti exhaust system
* Full A/C system removed
Chassis
* KW adjustable camber plates
* AST race suspension with custom short springs & helpers
* Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
* KW race anti-roll bar kit
* Poly bushed suspension all round
* Project Mu 6 piston race calipers with 380mm discs
* Project Mu race pads - rear
* Braided front & rear brake lines
* Race brake fluid
* Spec Mini Twin race clutch & Aluminium flywheel
* Race Haldex controller
* VWR Engine mount - Race
* VWR gear box ounts - Race
* VWR billet lower subframe mount - Race
* VF engineering pendulum mount
* Forge Motorsport adjustable quick shift
* Forge Motorsport adjustable side-to-side quick shift
* Force fed engineering solid bushings - Shift cable support bracket
* Custom resin filled shift bushings
* Team dynamics Pro race 1.2 wheels (Powdercoated Red)
* Toyo R888 225/40/18 tyres
* Braille mini battery kit
Interior / Exterior
* Recaro Pole position seats (custom covers)
* Recaro Aluminium side mounts
* Recaro A3/S3 base frame kit
* Lightweight interior
* Custom rear carpet
* OEM optics front grill
* Black mirrors
* Front splitter center section - Satin black
* Rear diffuser section - Satin black
* PIAA 6500k xenon bulbs upgrade
* PIAA 6500k side lights
* Silvervision indicator bulbs all round
* 6500k rear number plate bulbs
And thats about it!! haha.. So quite a list really..
Heres some pics of the turbo kit, I considered the ATP kit, but this will make far more power when its really being pushed, and the Tial v-band stuff is so nice! I want to do this once, and right the first time round! For sure I would be able to do it far cheaper, but this is going to be a no compromise project, and a one of a kind car for a long time to come!
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The end goal is 600hp and 1200kg.. That would make for a 500hp/tonne power to weight ratio.. Similarly powered Evo's run 10's no problem, and that is the aim for this car.. 10 second 1/4 mile on STRAIGHT pump fuel, no additives, no nitrous, just fill it up with V-Power and go!
Bare in mind my Golf ran a 12.6 1/4 with 290hp/tonne and FWD.. Yes it was DSG, but you get the idea.. Its not going to hang around!!
Anyways here we go, this should be quite fun! Its going to be at least 3-4 weeks before I get the car back, but by then it should be running the spec above.. My god I cant wait to drive it.. Its going to be amazing!!
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Here we go! :scared:
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Engine is all apart now and the true extent of the damage to the piston can be seen, pretty shocking really! Amazing that the damage to the bore was so so light, I mean, you could hardly even feel it.. 0.5mm bore out will remove that no problem and I should be good to go with the 83mm bore pistons..
Damaged piston.. (Not for the faint hearted!!)
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Strange thing is that the crown of the piston is ok, this leads me to believe that it was more a lack of oil / sh*tty oil problem rather than pre ignition as surely there would be damage to the crown if this was the case?
Head off..
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Engine out ready to be stripped down..
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Old pistons and rods.. (All the rods look in top condition, amazingly the bearings are all in perfect condition too)
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Crank.. (Again, no damage..)
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Valve train..
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Intake valve.. (all of them look like this, because of the recirculating PCV system, just shows how important it is to run a catch can with this engine)
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Block and head ready for machining..
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Lots of bits..
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The engine should be back from the machine shop Thursday and be fully built up with the new parts by the end of the week.. So thats good news..
One thing that was pretty amazing was the weight difference between the Supertech valves and the standard items.. Huge difference, ill get a figure to compare but a lightweight valve train can only be a good thing..
Also the new rods and pistons are a lot lighter than the old items, this should make the engine really free revving.. Combined with the new lightweight clutch and flywheel im estimating around 8kg off rotating mass to be saved..
Im hoping that the parts from the US should be with me within a week but you can never tell with customs!
Anyways im feeling a lot better about it all now, before it was all doom and gloom, everything that was discovered seemed to be a big negative but now its on the way to recovery..
While the car has been up in the air we have also had a chance to plan some nice chassis bits that should really help out the some what wooly handling of the S3 compared to the Golf.. Everything is on the way so fingers crossed the bits get to me from BSH and I can get the car back on the road soon..
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So!! The block is back, re-bored to 83mm for the new pistons, and everything is perfect, luckily enough the 0.25mm on the bore wall was enough to remove any damage from the piston.. In fact, the machine shop said that a heavy hone would have been enough, I think if it was going to be running standard power then yeah.. But with the plans that I have for the car immediately and in the long term, I want to make sure that this engine will be able to take everything that I throw at it!!
The engine will be getting built up starting next week, and shouldn't take long to complete, I should have lots of pictures of the build up to post soon!
Then its just a case of waiting for the parts from the states to arrive..
Thought I would post up a few more images of the turbo kit that BSH have just released.. (part of my kit is on that table I believe)
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Can't wait to see this stuff on the car! Looks like amazing work!!
Plan is to run the car in for a week or so gently, drop the oil and see how everything is looking then go down to Revo and see what it will make! Limit is going to be the stock in tank fueling system at the moment but there are lots of things in the pipe line to sort that out!
On straight 93 octane (98 euro equivalent) guys in the states have got to around 450WHP on the stock fueling system with RS4 injectors before its maxed out, so thats what Ill be aiming for as a first shot.. Thats around 525hp at the crank.. Even with that power its going to be a very quick car!
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All things are coming along nicely, the turbo kit from BSH is being send tomorrow, and should be with me (fingers crossed) by early next week.. There has been a hold up due to a few adjustments I wanted making to aid the fitting and performance of the kit..
Couple of annoying things have been found, not going to make any difference to the build but just pisses me off how people can neglect a car so badly..
This is the oil filter
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And the sump..
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Notice the gunge that is coming out of the filter, and the sh*t that is sat in the sump! This is after being flushed out, the stuff you can see is residual gunk that has been dislodged! Its almost the consistency of tar, just shows that there is no way the car has been regularly serviced as suggested by myself..
Luckily all of the bearings on the crank and oil pump look mint!
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The only damage is some wear on the oil pump chain tensioner, so that will also be changed..
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The oil and water gallerys were in perfect condition with no metal particles or blockages.. The oil pump is in perfect condition. Im having the oil cooler changed out of precaution as there is a super fine matrix inside which could easily hold metal particles.. Better to be safe than sorry really, especially as the whole engine is going to be basically new!
Good points!!
Engine is coming along nicely, block is built up with the new pistons / rods and crank and the head is back from being skimmed tomorrow and will be fitted with the new Supertech valve train parts hopefully by the end of the day!
Heres some pics..
New piston and rod combo
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Clean..
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Machined block.. 0.5mm overbore
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Built bottom end..
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So coming along pretty well, engine and all ancillaries will be built up tomorrow so that the engine is sealed and can be wheeled in and out of the engine compartment of the car when testing the fit of the turbo kit!
Im really hoping that I should have the car back on the road for running in for my birthday which is the 24th! Will be a nice present from me to me!! haha..
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So lots of things are happening pretty quickly now, coming along really well..
First of all this little thing arrived yesterday!! Thanks to Neil and Ollie at THS..
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Core is rated to 600hp so should be up to the job!!!
First of all the engine build.. Parts are all here now and the head is all built up. Ported and polished and fitted with the new Supertech parts!
Head back from being skimmed, 30 microns were removed, so not much.. At this point the internals of the head had not had any attention!
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About an 1/8 of an inch of build up!! Crazy really..
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Check out the inlet ports!!
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Everyone that has seen the state of the inside of this engine has been shocked. Its got nothing to do with the piston problem that I had. This is just how the 2.0T FSI runs with the stock PCV system, pretty nasty really!!
More bits, stretch bolts, seals, gaskets etc etc etc.. Now the bottom end is all built up, oil pump is back on, everything cleaned up and a new filter!!
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Happy about all of the progress on the engine build! Nothing is being left to chance so everything is being replaced.. Not the cheapest way of doing things but I know for sure that im giving the engine the best chance possible of lasting and being strong enough to cope with the power.
Final spec of the engine is as follows..
* Head skim
* Block re-bore & hone to 83MM
* Integrated engineering non-tapered 2.0T FSI connecting rods
* JE 83MM bore 8.5:1 compression forged pistons
* JE pistons rings
* ARP 2000 rod bolts
* Calico coated rod bearings
* Ported and polished inlet / exhaust head
* Supertech stock size inlet and exhaust inconel valves
Turbo is on its way from the states now.. Should have some pics from BSH and a video of there 450WHP GTI running pretty soon.. Apparently the dump tube sounds incredible!!
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I think im as excited as you are!!
So is the S3 going to be for track days and shows keeping the ED30 for a daily?
Good luck mate sounds awesome!! :drinking:
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wow....looking forward to this. :rolleye: :rolleye: :jumpmove: :jumpmove: shame about the initial set back, but im sure that will be soon forgotten about! ;)
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Whoa!
This is going to be epic :rolleye:
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Looking forward to this Jonny :happy2:
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All I can say is.... :notworthy:
So looking forward to this - sounds like your car is going to be ready before Andy's is up and running again!
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Loved this S3 the first time around. Please don't get bored of it again though. :happy2:
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I rate those Team Dynamics wheels!
Do they only come in 18" or can you get 19s ?
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Hold on tight everyone...this is gonna be some motor :popcornsoda:
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i want!!
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sounds good, why have you gone for the VF pendullum mount rather than the BSH one?
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I think im as excited as you are!!
So is the S3 going to be for track days and shows keeping the ED30 for a daily?
Good luck mate sounds awesome!! :drinking:
Pretty much. I was looking at an R8 or TT-RS, GT3 etc etc.. But I think this is a better way to go! Anyways, a 600hp hatch is way cooler (and faster) than a 400 or 500hp supercar :wink:
I rate those Team Dynamics wheels!
Do they only come in 18" or can you get 19s ?
18's are the largest size, there designed to be light weight..
sounds good, why have you gone for the VF pendullum mount rather than the BSH one?
Hmm. no reason really.. Apart from that is what I have been using on the last couple of cars and I have been very pleased with it..
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Anyways, a 600hp hatch is way cooler (and faster) than a 400 or 500hp supercar
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This is some spec of car when finished. 500BHP and your really shifting, 600BHP and your flying. You will defo need to respect what is at your right foot when out on the open road.
Best of luck with this project Jonny
Iain
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:party: :jumping: :jumpmove: :rolleye: :notworthy:
Think that sums up how I feel about this project.
*Shotgun*
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This is some spec of car when finished. 500BHP and your really shifting, 600BHP and your flying. You will defo need to respect what is at your right foot when out on the open road.
Best of luck with this project Jonny
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Completely agree there mate, its going to be a very very fast car!
Probably the fastest road car I have ever driven was a 680hp Porsche 996 GT2.. That weights quite a bit more than im planning for the S3 and it was insane! S3 should have similar type of performance I would have said.. We will find out soon!
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Very jealous. I think I might have just weed in my pants a little bit...
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Nice 1 Jonny :happy2:, lookin fwd to reading the developments as they happen :smiley:
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:notworthy:
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Sounds great
Will look bang-on too
The only thing, 600bhp from a 3076 ??? <<< at the boost needed the turbo will lunch itself rather quickly no ?
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This will be a very special machine jonny hope you have it for longer than 6mnths :surprised:, how did you find out about this kit from the states do you know anything about their stuff? Who is building it for you is it regal with revo mapping? I am a mate of toasts have you any idea when the dwnpipe/cat will be off the car? Cheers, Stevie.
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Sounds great
Will look bang-on too
The only thing, 600bhp from a 3076 ??? <<< at the boost needed the turbo will lunch itself rather quickly no ?
USP in the states have got to 620WHP with a 3076R turbo, running around 2 bar of boost with race fuel..
So with good road spec fuel and plenty of boost it should be attainable.. Anyways, thats the aim, got to have something to aspire to :smiley:
And no, the turbo will be built to such a spec that it would cope with that boost no issues.. Basically the same spec as a WRC turbo, which run huge huge boost!
This will be a very special machine jonny hope you have it for longer than 6mnths :surprised:, how did you find out about this kit from the states do you know anything about their stuff? Who is building it for you is it regal with revo mapping? I am a mate of toasts have you any idea when the dwnpipe/cat will be off the car? Cheers, Stevie.
AFI are one of the best tubular manifold builders in the states, they have developed the kit with BSH so I know its going to be good. Its a long way ahead of anything else on the market at the moment!
Its being built locally and mapped by Revo
Downpipe should be off early next week :happy2:
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I feel dizzy just reading the specs... if the car could talk, it would probably say... oh no, not you again... just leave me alone :grin: :grin: Can't wait to follow every step of this new project... even better, can't wait to see it in action at the Pod... :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:
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Here we go! :scared:
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Here we go! :scared:
That will be my feelings in a few weeks when mine goes away :scared:
But I'll also be like this too :jumping: :jumping:
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:party: mate this is going to be something very cool... bring it on
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:popcornsoda: :popcornsoda:
im watching! ;)
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what are you doing in regards to low pressure fueling?
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what are you doing in regards to low pressure fueling?
Thats being worked on as we speak, think were going to have to upgrade the intank stuff, USP do a kit so ill see how it goes on the standard stuff first, and then go from there..
Its going to be done in a couple of hits anyways.. Get the engine and turbo kit on there, mapped, and run it for a little while..
Then ill be having the head pulled off, flowed, ported polished etc etc.. Ferrea valve train kit fitted and thats the top end done.
Whilst its off ill have all of the exhaust parts at the front end ceramic coated and maybes go bigger with the turbo
AND, sort out the low pressure fuel system so that we can go for 600!
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can i just ask did you know about the piston when you got it ????? and the red wheels look awesome i nearly did that but chickened out :chicken:
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can i just ask did you know about the piston when you got it ????? and the red wheels look awesome i nearly did that but chickened out :chicken:
Certainly didnt know about the piston, no way I would have bought the car if I did! So that was quite a shock, and a massive pain in the arse as the previous owner escaped the same fate by about 50 miles! He has zero sympathy and has basically left me to sort it all out.. Not something that I would have done if when he had driven away in the car 7months ago had the same problem.. Guess were all different!!
Thanks, yeah still not sat right and the S3 never suited the taller tyres, its going to have 10mm spacers all round and 225 tyres, should look perfect with that..
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this is going to be a complete animal. cant wait to see it finished. :popcornsoda:
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:popcornsoda: :popcornsoda: :popcornsoda: :popcornsoda: :popcornsoda: :popcornsoda: :popcornsoda: :popcornsoda:...............to another 100 page thread :wink:
Good luck jonny, hope the engines not too stuffed.
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:popcornsoda: :popcornsoda: :popcornsoda: :popcornsoda: :popcornsoda: :popcornsoda: :popcornsoda: :popcornsoda:...............to another 100 page thread :wink:
Lol, bearing that in mind.. Whenever there is a big update on the car ill add it to the first post as well as the thread.. Should make it a little easier to look through whats going on..
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daaam this is going to be cool as if a white s3 isnt cooler enough anyway but pushing them figures is going to rock mate. So thats what the wheel money is doing then lol :happy2:
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daaam this is going to be cool as if a white s3 isnt cooler enough anyway but pushing them figures is going to rock mate. So thats what the wheel money is doing then lol :happy2:
Unfortunately the wheel money just about covers the cost of the turbo unit :confused: Yeah, im really looking forward to having the car done, should know tomorrow exactly what is required for the build, get the bits ordered then im away!
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Should be fhooooking mental dude, guessing your already going to be a good proportion along with regards to the mods with it being your old car as appose to starting from standard (minus the set backs).
Best of luck dude :jumpmove:
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Not that keen on v-banded manifolds,great for swapping turbo etc but the ones i've seen seem a tad laggy.
A gt3076r won't produce anywhere near to 600bhp on pump fuel.550bhp is the realistic max thats with some very good supporting mods.
If your after a 10 second car that you need to run at least a gt35 and imo your need to be running a stroker to make it a fairly decent road car.Some of the mapping/fueling stuff you have listed seems a bit low tech for a 600bhp car.
If you need any help/advice ,no problem.
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Not that keen on v-banded manifolds,great for swapping turbo etc but the ones i've seen seem a tad laggy.
A gt3076r won't produce anywhere near to 600bhp on pump fuel.550bhp is the realistic max thats with some very good supporting mods.
If your after a 10 second car that you need to run at least a gt35 and imo your need to be running a stroker to make it a fairly decent road car.Some of the mapping/fueling stuff you have listed seems a bit low tech for a 600bhp car.
If you need any help/advice ,no problem.
What would you suggest?
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Is the aim still 600bhp and 10 second 1/4 on pump fuel??
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Is the aim still 600bhp and 10 second 1/4 on pump fuel??
Well yes, but a long term aim.. As I said earlier, Im doing this in two stages, the second stage may include a larger turbo, but we'll have to see..
Thing is, I dont really want a 35r as spooling at 5k isn't going to make a very nice road car! lol..
Yes, the aim is 600hp / 10's 1/4 / and all on straight pump fuel..
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Not that keen on v-banded manifolds,great for swapping turbo etc but the ones i've seen seem a tad laggy.
A gt3076r won't produce anywhere near to 600bhp on pump fuel.550bhp is the realistic max thats with some very good supporting mods.
If your after a 10 second car that you need to run at least a gt35 and imo your need to be running a stroker to make it a fairly decent road car.Some of the mapping/fueling stuff you have listed seems a bit low tech for a 600bhp car.
If you need any help/advice ,no problem.
Just a couple of questions in relation to your post..
Why would having a v-band flange change anything when it comes to spool compared to a 4 bolt flange? Surely its a lot more down to the design of the manifold itself and the flow characteristics? Also, its proven that the Tial V-Band housings flow more than the Garrett equivalents..
What is so low tech about the RS4 injectors and Autotech fuel pump plus a low pressure fueling solution? The most powerful 2.0T FSI cars out there are all running either that exact set up or something that is very very close? Not sure what you would suggest as an alternative?
35r would make good power for sure, but I dont fancy spool up at 5k.. The 3076 should offer great top end but be very drivable at the same time..
The USP GTI with a GT3076r turbo made 620WHP and has ran a 11.01 1/4 with full interior and FWD.. With 4WD and less weight, I think its possible, and ill try my best to make it a reality :smiley:
No one thought that a mid 12 1/4 would have been achievable on a K04 MK5 until I did it in mine..
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I know because i have used them,you are right it did make more power/flow at the top end,approx 10-15bhp.Did i say power or did i say spool :wink:
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I know because i have used them,you are right it did make more power/flow at the top end,approx 10-15bhp.Did i say power or did i say spool :wink:
Ok ok.. :wink: Well we'll see..
Was this on a 2.0T FSI engine?
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I know because i have used them,you are right it did make more power/flow at the top end,approx 10-15bhp.Did i say power or did i say spool :wink:
Ok ok.. :wink: Well we'll see..
Was this on a 2.0T FSI engine?
ryan's not played with a 2.0TFSI motor yet...just a 1.8T BAM and his 4G63 Evo motor!!! (i think!) :smiley:
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Fueling,what l/hr is the pump then,because i have yet to see a single pump provide enough pressure for 600bhp.What cc are RS4 injectors because unless Audi decided to fit 1000cc's in a 420bhp they wn't be good enough.
I have driven/mapped loads of gt3076's and they are cracking on the road but they will only produce 500-550 and thats at 2-2.3bar held.
I don't pay much attention to the yanks as they love there overreading dynojets ,i know what a gt3076 and 1200kg can do and it's not a 10.
I'm just trying to help mate.
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ryan's not played with a 2.0TFSI motor yet...just a 1.8T BAM and his 4G63 Evo motor!!! (i think!) :smile
I am in the process of fitting a full standalone to my bro's ed 30 was trying to keep it quiet so yes i have started to fiddle.
At the end of the day a turbo is a turbo i know what works and what it requires.Trying to help but i think i'm wasting my time.
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35r would make good power for sure, but I dont fancy spool up at 5k.. The 3076 should offer great top end but be very drivable at the same time..
agreed, no point having a corsa vxr destroy you unexpectedly just cus your not on constant high alert revving the tits off it :laugh:
an anti-lag system would be tres cool but having a crew of mech.s follow you around to rebuild the engine ever few 100 miles would be a little... impractical
looking forward to this what ever the outcome
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anti-lag doesn't kill engines it kills turbo's.
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ryan's not played with a 2.0TFSI motor yet...just a 1.8T BAM and his 4G63 Evo motor!!! (i think!) :smile
I am in the process of fitting a full standalone to my bro's ed 30 was trying to keep it quiet so yes i have started to fiddle.
At the end of the day a turbo is a turbo i know what works and what it requires.Trying to help but i think i'm wasting my time.
now that's interesting!!! What standalone ECU u using then?? Didn't realise u were into mapping! nice one :happy2:
nah not wasting ur time Ryan...the folks on here just need to be a bit more open minded perhaps. I mean i've read plenty of yours/caney/badgerbill's banter on the other forum and plenty of people now respect your views on BT projects. :drinking:
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ryan's not played with a 2.0TFSI motor yet...just a 1.8T BAM and his 4G63 Evo motor!!! (i think!) :smile
I am in the process of fitting a full standalone to my bro's ed 30 was trying to keep it quiet so yes i have started to fiddle.
At the end of the day a turbo is a turbo i know what works and what it requires.Trying to help but i think i'm wasting my time.
Your not wasting your time, I think each of us will go about things in a different way thats all. If you think its going to be a massive failure then thats cool with me, im doing this to entertain myself :happy2:
I look forward to see how you get along with the ED30. You must be running the new FSI Motec ECU?
At the minute I have a spec that im working to, and as I keep on saying this is the first stage. With the eventual goal being down the line, possibly with a slightly different spec depending on how I find the car to run with this..
I dont really get that last statement, with FWD and a 3076 and 1350kg USP have done a 11.05.. 150kg less and 4WD surely its a possibility..?? Maybes not..
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they would have done that using drag slicks tho right JC???
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can i just ask did you know about the piston when you got it ????? and the red wheels look awesome i nearly did that but chickened out :chicken:
Certainly didnt know about the piston, no way I would have bought the car if I did! So that was quite a shock, and a massive pain in the arse as the previous owner escaped the same fate by about 50 miles! He has zero sympathy and has basically left me to sort it all out.. Not something that I would have done if when he had driven away in the car 7months ago had the same problem.. Guess were all different!!
Thanks, yeah still not sat right and the S3 never suited the taller tyres, its going to have 10mm spacers all round and 225 tyres, should look perfect with that..
i feel for you mate , i would have gone back and kicked up some serious sh*t ! but i suppose he was nt to know ? i would have expected some sympathy though . suppose buying with a warrenty from a dealers and such not so bad idea but if any one can sort it its you :wink:
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they would have done that using drag slicks tho right JC???
Think they were on drag radials yes, but still.. A good 4WD launch will see 1.7 60ft times, and I think they ran a 1.9..
Anyways im really not too bothered, its meant to be fun. If I get to the 600hp goal then great, if not then ill still have a bloody quick S3.. Its not life or death to me
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No i don't think it's a failure what your doing,you won't achieve 10's with that spec but i'm sure you will have fun trying!
I'm trying to advise you in what works and what you will need ,to do a 10 you need a 130mph terminal with 1200kg ,to get 130mph terminal you need 480-500whp DD,to get that you need minimum gt35.
btw it's not motec and will have switchable anti-lag and launch control,my bro's is just a test mule.
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they would have done that using drag slicks tho right JC???
Think they were on drag radials yes, but still.. A good 4WD launch will see 1.7 60ft times, and I think they ran a 1.9..
Anyways im really not too bothered, its meant to be fun. If I get to the 600hp goal then great, if not then ill still have a bloody quick S3.. Its not life or death to me
yanks 1/4 miles are not like ours bud.
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No i don't think it's a failure what your doing,you won't achieve 10's with that spec but i'm sure you will have fun trying!
I'm trying to advise you in what works and what you will need ,to do a 10 you need a 130mph terminal with 1200kg ,to get 130mph terminal you need 480-500whp DD,to get that you need minimum gt35.
btw it's not motec and will have switchable anti-lag and launch control,my bro's is just a test mule.
Interesting, as far as I knew there wasnt many systems that worked well with the FSI engine because of the variable voltage to the HPFP.. That was quite a while ago though!! Im just going to get a WOT box for mine, bit of a cheat I know but should do the job for how often ill use it..
I ran a 119.8MPH run with my 350hp Golf, suppose it takes a lot more power for that extra 10mph..
they would have done that using drag slicks tho right JC???
Think they were on drag radials yes, but still.. A good 4WD launch will see 1.7 60ft times, and I think they ran a 1.9..
Anyways im really not too bothered, its meant to be fun. If I get to the 600hp goal then great, if not then ill still have a bloody quick S3.. Its not life or death to me
yanks 1/4 miles are not like ours bud.
I hear people say that, but how come? The tracks?
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well i know some tracks over there are not exactly "flat" lol.....
do they also calculate their ET's slightly differently to how the uk does it? maybe something to do with the reaction times? :popcornsoda:
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I can't give many details on the ecu at the moment but it will work fine and yes the injectors are the issue with them.
what was your wheel hp on DD and what was your car weight without you in it. I take it the 119mph was a mega bog start.
Some things the yanks claim on 1/4's are just unbelivable ,i've seen downhill strips and all sorts!
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Ryan did you use to have a IHI'd 8P S3 and was Ryan S3 on SCN by any chance? :wink:
I know what you mean about foriegn 1/4 mile strips though, especially in other parts of Europe as the figures just vary no end.. I tend not to bother comparing against other cars unless they are run @ Pod, as it can be a waist of time IMO..
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I can't give many details on the ecu at the moment but it will work fine and yes the injectors are the issue with them.
what was your wheel hp on DD and what was your car weight without you in it. I take it the 119mph was a mega bog start.
Some things the yanks claim on 1/4's are just unbelivable ,i've seen downhill strips and all sorts!
Terrible start yes as the Launch control decided to stop working, normally im in the 115-116mph range.. On DD rollers it was 300WHP and the weight is 1225kg with no fuel or driver..
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yes it's me ben.
bodged jabba ihi s3.Then learned proper tuning !
That sounds crack on jony 300whp/1220kg
A 1350kg/330whp evo will run 12.2/114mph
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Wish I had done Automotive Studies at uni so I knew what the fudge you 2 are on about :signLOL:
5 pages already this is going to be a good one :popcornsoda:
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yes it's me ben.
bodged jabba ihi s3.Then learned proper tuning !
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Looks that way anyway.. :wink: I'm assuming your local hideout is on MLR now then mate? You going to TOTB this year?
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Undecided yet ben,bit worried about the weather!Hows your motor? Did you beat that 12.8 yet?
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Undecided yet ben,bit worried about the weather!Hows your motor? Did you beat that 12.8 yet?
ah you gotta come Ryan. Car Planet Racing have full compliment of working Evo's taking part. How many ex RCD customers will be there i have no idea....but there may be more action this year than previous ones :wink:
could be a very interesting day out!
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Yes it's a good day out,probably will pop up ,i'll come and say hi. :drinking:
Anyway lets get back to jonny's motor .
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Jonny,
Would you mind PM'ing me/emailing me some pics of your CW with the Turini's on please? :smiley:
I think that'd be enough to convince me to get a set.
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Undecided yet ben,bit worried about the weather!Hows your motor? Did you beat that 12.8 yet?
12.8 with a map and zorst??? It's quick, but not that quick.. :grin: Just a slow ass 13.1 i'm afraid mate.. :confused: :grin:
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What would you suggest?
T04R <<< upto 620/650 hp
T04Z <<< 650 to 800 (spec dependant)
Both have low lag (for the turbo size)
With a well spec'd housing (both) trim and wheel spec the T04R could be a great turbo, on the road and track (good engine spec also needed, C/R, cam choice (and dialled in well), and the right head work.
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I can't give many details on the ecu at the moment but it will work fine and yes the injectors are the issue with them.
what was your wheel hp on DD and what was your car weight without you in it. I take it the 119mph was a mega bog start.
Some things the yanks claim on 1/4's are just unbelivable ,i've seen downhill strips and all sorts!
ViPec ??
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It will be interesting to see how it will get down to the near 1200kgs mark its still very much a full fat version the now with lightweight seats?? Bring on the diet!!
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It will be interesting to see how it will get down to the near 1200kgs mark its still very much a full fat version the now with lightweight seats?? Bring on the diet!!
Getting down to that weight will not be an issue, thats the easy bit..
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Its all easy for you? All you need to do is hand over the notes (plenty of them) and then drive it! :driver:
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Its all easy for you? All you need to do is hand over the notes (plenty of them) and then drive it! :driver:
Hmm.. The only things that I paid anyone to do on my Golf was fit the brakes and remove the AC, apart from that I did it all myself.. Stop talking S*it..
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so when will u know more about the block?
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so when will u know more about the block?
In a couple of hours.. Engine is going to come out anyways to do the turbo, so if it needs a block then most of that work is already done
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Never used a t04r or know any specs on it but seeing a t04z is larger than a standard gt3582 then i wouldn't recommend any on a 2l road car.
jonny you won't need a new block,just rebore the one you have .
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Never used a t04r or know any specs on it but seeing a t04z is larger than a standard gt3582 then i wouldn't recommend any on a 2l road car.
The T04R is kinda like a half way house between the GT30 and the GT35 - with a well spec'd turbo it could be usefull
jonny you won't need a new block,just rebore the one you have .
How can you say that without looking at the block ??
The piston could have scored the block badly, it could have done anything !
Fingers crossed it'll be fine, but sadly there's no gaurentee
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Am not havin a dig jonny just that a think this project is a bit more difficult and special compared to the ed30? So fair play if all that ur not doing in the audi is the a/c and the brakes.
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Am not havin a dig jonny just that a think this project is a bit more difficult and special compared to the ed30? So fair play if all that ur not doing in the audi is the a/c and the brakes.
Sorry mate, thought you were.. Get a lot of it unfortunately, people thinking I have more money than sense, and I really dont.. So anyways never mind..
Yes this is a pretty major project, but im working through it and have a pretty clear plan of whats going to happen and when.. Hopefully the car will be back on the road in a few weeks, by then it will have all of the exterior and interior stuff done too..
Stage 2 of the project will be a little way off yet, but im looking forward to that also..
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Nae probs sometimes its hard to get across a bit of banter without it soundin like theres attitude in it. Looking forward to the results. :drinking:. A hope the guy you bought it off of nexts sh*t is a hedgehog!!!
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It's not as if the rod has gone threw the block is it! My betting is that it's a cracked piston due to det/heat build up.It will have scored the bore seen it plenty of times before.
Anyway i think jonnys idea for a proper BT S3 is cool.I just hope it gets done right.
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This looks like it is going to be a fantastic project…. I can’t wait to see how this pans out; I think its going to be great having such a powerful modern VAG car in the UK.
From first hand experience I agree with Ryan_Evo on the power that the GT3076 will make but I totally understand your worries about having a Turbo that takes a lifetime to spool.
Actually we have a customer with a 2.0 YB cosworth and a GT3076 turbo fitted, This is a seriously fast classic Ford (It was GPS clocked at 180 MPH twice at Bruntingthorpe proving ground in the wet!) however the power delivery by the GT3076 is a bit on the laggy side and the owner agrees.
On a Different 2.0 engine with a different design manifold etc etc the response may well improve.
The same turbo is fitted to another of our customers on a 2.9 Litre VR6 Turbo – it is very responsive on this engine – but obviously the engines capacity increase is the main contributing factor here.
Keep at it Jonny this is going to be such a great fun car!…. Out of interest where has the car gone to have the engine pulled apart?
Keith at JKM
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It's not as if the rod has gone threw the block is it! My betting is that it's a cracked piston due to det/heat build up.It will have scored the bore seen it plenty of times before.
Anyway i think jonnys idea for a proper BT S3 is cool.I just hope it gets done right.
proberly will need the cyl head re-skimming aswell. There will be damage to the head especially around the spark plug area in the head if the pistons detonated.The alloy will have proberly melted to the side walls of the cylinder and maybe honed out to an oversized piston if your lucky. These lightweight alloy engines will damage. Untill the Piston see's daylight, no one will be able to guess how much needs doing.
Other factor is how long has this damage been there??. If its been getting worse over time,and power lose hasnt been investigated sooner, then could be un salvageable. Even crank damage is possible on the problem cylinder.
Look foward to seeing and hearing an update Jonny :happy2:
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I always skim the head as a matter of course.I would not agree on damaged to the head due to det unless the mapping was horrendous.Agreed there could be more damage but i still think the block will be salvageable.
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is there a stroker kit out yet for the 2.0 TFSI anyway????
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is there a stroker kit out yet for the 2.0 TFSI anyway????
No....I've looked :grin:
Wouldn't a stroker kit make the car even more lethargic?
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Agree with all of the above, should know for sure as to the damage tomorrow, I really hope that a re bore will sort it out, and yes, the head will be skimmed along with a load of other work that will be done too..
is there a stroker kit out yet for the 2.0 TFSI anyway????
No....I've looked :grin:
Wouldn't a stroker kit make the car even more lethargic?
No it will help everything.. Spool will be sooner, more low down torque etc..
Think a good stroker kit is a while away on these motors yet, one step at a time I guess..
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Strokers don't tend to like to rev as much as 2L but when running BIG turbo's like GT35's etc the benefits far out weigh the negatives. I'm suprised eurospec or someone doesn't do a stroker crank but i've not looked.
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If you are after a stroker kit I think INA Engineering have something in the pipeline. EMAIL iabed@inaengineering.com
. Safe limit for re-bore is 83.5mm on these engines isn't? I'd be going for 83mm if I was boring.
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gt3076 is the way forward on a 2.0t fsi engine, all the yanks rave about how good they are and that they are very drivable and not to laggy on these motors, with a decent mani it should help it spool up quite quick anyway, gonna be a monster when its all done!!!! if u ever get any probs with the mani cracking in the future due to heat, might be worth giving bill at badger5 a ring as he gets manifolds custom made by a guy who makes Formula one car manifolds, bill had had loads of problems with manifolds on his 600bhp ibiza so knows what he is on about...
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Ok whats happened to an update of the stripped Engine?? any news Jonny?
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Ok whats happened to an update of the stripped Engine?? any news Jonny?
Hey, update on the engine..
Going to a 83mm bore piston from the standard 82.5mm, 0.5 mm is more than enough to remove the marks in the bore which are very very light.. So pretty pleased with that, seems I was a little lucky!
The picture shows the damage to the bore, you can hardly feel this at all when you touch it, just seems to be metal transfer from the piston, the over bore pistons will be a sure fire way of getting the back to perfect!
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You can see the damage to the piston here, no idea why this has come about, im having the injectors bench tested, but im guessing that its probably been ran on sh*tty fuel, with crap oil, and generally not been looked after.. Gutted but at least I know I dont need to shell out for a new block, that would have been a right kick in the balls!
Thanks to Nick I should have the parts required for the engine build early next week and shave a week off the build time as parts would have had to be ordered in from the states..
The engine should be built within a week, and by that time the turbo kit will be with me, fitting that with the motor out of the car will make it a lot easier for the inevitable adjustments and tweaks that a 2WD LHD Golf turbo kit will require to fit a 4WD RHD S3!
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Good News jonny, and very lucky indeed.
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Good news Jonny. 7 pages in and now it starts in earnest. :happy2:
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great news jonny, a new block would have been a nightmare!!
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thats great news :)
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Whos been a lucky boy! :grin: :happy2:
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:surprised: an S3 over an R8....good choice :happy2:
This has been a very interesting read. I've no idea what most of its about, to much tech talk for me, but can't wait to see the outcome too. Very impressive project that is already building you loads of respect points, well done.
Whens the beast likely to be ready for so we can all see it running? I guess at the Pod too??
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:surprised: an S3 over an R8....good choice :happy2:
This has been a very interesting read. I've no idea what most of its about, to much tech talk for me, but can't wait to see the outcome too. Very impressive project that is already building you loads of respect points, well done.
Whens the beast likely to be ready for so we can all see it running? I guess at the Pod too??
Well it was more a case of, tuned ED30 and super tuned S3 or R8.. But yeah, thats what I went with. The amount of glares and general evil looks I got on the test drive of the R8 made my mind up for me really..
Anyways! The car should be getting close in a couple of weeks, engine should be built within a week, and turbo kit will take about that again to fit and adjust..
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The amount of glares and general evil looks I got on the test drive of the R8 made my mind up for me really..
....Jealousy is not an attractive quality.
Why the feck should people care what others have got? No matter how well off you are, someone is better off (both materially and otherwise) and the same applies to being badly off. It seems to be a very English trait to knock down anyone who appears to be 'successful'.
Grrrrrrrrrr!! :fighting:
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If you are after a stroker kit I think INA Engineering have something in the pipeline. EMAIL iabed@inaengineering.com
. Safe limit for re-bore is 83.5mm on these engines isn't? I'd be going for 83mm if I was boring.
nothing as of yet, i have already spoke to them about a stroker kit and they have nothing available as of yet!!!!
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Something got a little hot there ! Good luck with the build :happy2:
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Something got a little hot there ! Good luck with the build :happy2:
Really need to know why.. Im thinking it could have been a head gasket failure?
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Does it have a larger Fuel pump already fitted? does look like lean burn issue,
No sign of a cracked block that caused it Jonny? .Water ingress can do the same.
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Does it have a larger Fuel pump already fitted? does look like lean burn issue,
No sign of a cracked block that caused it Jonny? .Water ingress can do the same.
There was a lot of oil in the cylinder, and it doesnt look like its came from the bottom.. Im thinking that could have been a contributing factor, neat oil in the cylinder would massively lower the octane rating and could make it pink its brains out..
Just worried now about a cracked block now, could be worth having it x-rayed..
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you having anything done to the crank whilst the engine is apart!!! maybe shot peened and lightened and balanced if they can do it, also have the gears in the box cryo treated as it will make them a bit stronger!!!! doesnt cost much to have those little bits done whilst the engine is apart!!! running 550-600bhp will put some strain on the gearbox !!!! you also going for water/methanol kit??? bloke i know put water/methanol on his ibiza and once it was set up correctly he saw between 50-60bhp gain!! integrated engineering are also doing a bigger inlet manifold for it as well i think with a bigger throttle body... http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=261
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you having anything done to the crank whilst the engine is apart!!! maybe shot peened and lightened and balanced if they can do it, also have the gears in the box cryo treated as it will make them a bit stronger!!!! doesnt cost much to have those little bits done whilst the engine is apart!!! running 550-600bhp will put some strain on the gearbox !!!! you also going for water/methanol kit??? bloke i know put water/methanol on his ibiza and once it was set up correctly he saw between 50-60bhp gain!! integrated engineering are also doing a bigger inlet manifold for it as well i think with a bigger throttle body... http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=261
Well in an ideal world the crank would be knife edged and balanced along with the pistons and rods.. Just to get it all perfect, I will look into it but I have to be careful it doesn't run away with itself.. Otherwise its not going to get finished any time soon!
Meth is a good idea, but to be honest, I would rather run on straight pump fuel.. Ill see whats involved, I dont think its a particularly hard thing to do so maybes that will go on at the same time.. With the way the car is at the mo (in about a million bits) its the obvious time to do all of this work, but it all adds up!
Just bought this which doesn't help the funds..!
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Does look nice though!
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What Manifold are you going for Johnny?
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What Manifold are you going for Johnny?
AFI/BSH purge welded v-band connectors etc etc.. Apparently it made the same power / torque figures as the ATP manifold running 3/4 psi less..
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What Manifold are you going for Johnny?
AFI/BSH purge welded v-band connectors etc etc.. Apparently it made the same power / torque figures as the ATP manifold running 3/4 psi less..
Ok - looks good, have you not thought about the Eurojet manifold (Stainless stell tubular) - http://www.eurojetracing.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=MK520MANI (http://www.eurojetracing.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=MK520MANI)
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Been getting some really positive press in the US.
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Well in an ideal world the crank would be knife edged and balanced along with the pistons and rods.. Just to get it all perfect, I will look into it but I have to be careful it doesn't run away with itself.. Otherwise its not going to get finished any time soon!
Meth is a good idea, but to be honest, I would rather run on straight pump fuel.. Ill see whats involved, I dont think its a particularly hard thing to do so maybes that will go on at the same time.. With the way the car is at the mo (in about a million bits) its the obvious time to do all of this work, but it all adds up!
You dont have to use the meth as a fuel all the time if you didnt want to, most kits will use a progressive boost controller and can just be used as an additive for hot days to keep charge temps down, wile everything is off its a well worthwhile thing to do, especially if your doing 1/4 miles where it can get a fair bit of heat soak wile your waiting for the lights.
I will be putting the snow kit on my ED30 just to aid the intercooler if its warm :smiley:
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What Manifold are you going for Johnny?
AFI/BSH purge welded v-band connectors etc etc.. Apparently it made the same power / torque figures as the ATP manifold running 3/4 psi less..
Ok - looks good, have you not thought about the Eurojet manifold (Stainless stell tubular) - http://www.eurojetracing.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=MK520MANI (http://www.eurojetracing.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=MK520MANI)
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Been getting some really positive press in the US.
Also looks nice and I have been in contact with them, they dont have kits ready immediately so not helpful for me really.. Plus, the AFI/BSH kit is the top of the line kit, the way its made, the parts there using, its all the best stuff.. I only plan on doing this once so want to do it right first time! Hopefully I have gone the right route..
Well in an ideal world the crank would be knife edged and balanced along with the pistons and rods.. Just to get it all perfect, I will look into it but I have to be careful it doesn't run away with itself.. Otherwise its not going to get finished any time soon!
Meth is a good idea, but to be honest, I would rather run on straight pump fuel.. Ill see whats involved, I dont think its a particularly hard thing to do so maybes that will go on at the same time.. With the way the car is at the mo (in about a million bits) its the obvious time to do all of this work, but it all adds up!
You dont have to use the meth as a fuel all the time if you didnt want to, most kits will use a progressive boost controller and can just be used as an additive for hot days to keep charge temps down, wile everything is off its a well worthwhile thing to do, especially if your doing 1/4 miles where it can get a fair bit of heat soak wile your waiting for the lights.
I will be putting the snow kit on my ED30 just to aid the intercooler if its warm :smiley:
Yeah, suppose I could have the car tuned for straight pump fuel then have the meth there as a back up and not advance the timing at all, that way im not running the risk of relying on the meth injection for the tuning to be correct..
Never a bad thing having everything run cooler!!
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yep thats how it was on my A3, we didnt see a massive power gain from it, but it made the power dead steady no matter what the temp was on the rollers.
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You could pressure test the bore but in my opinion you will be ok if nothing visable. I would definetly check your fueling and make sure the new set-up is pukka.Keep your eye on the mapping :wink:
BTW that looks a nice turbo set-up.
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You could pressure test the bore but in my opinion you will be ok if nothing visable. I would definetly check your fueling and make sure the new set-up is pukka.Keep your eye on the mapping :wink:
BTW that looks a nice turbo set-up.
Injectors are getting bench tested along with the ECU.. Should give some insight, I really hope that we confirm the cause before I start running the car again, not a nice feeling at the moment not knowing why its happened..
Yeah turbo set up is lovely, should be on its way to me by the end of the week, looking forward to seeing it for myself!
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Something to keep in mind with the pressure testing result on your FSI injectors (which I presume is just for the purpose of understanding the reason for the failure and you wont be re-using them) is that no company that I could find in the UK can test FSI injectors under their full rated pressure (say 130BAR).
I looked into this for one of our customers, and every company that I found would only actually perform the testing at 5BAR and then use the calculated flow formula to ‘calculate’ what they ‘should’ be flowing under their full working pressure.
I have found from experience on ASNU injector testing machines on conventional injectors, that the theory and the actual flow can vary quite a bit. Just something to keep in mind.
Are you using RS4 FSI injectors on the new build?
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Something to keep in mind with the pressure testing result on your FSI injectors (which I presume is just for the purpose of understanding the reason for the failure and you wont be re-using them) is that no company that I could find in the UK can test FSI injectors under their full rated pressure (say 130BAR).
I looked into this for one of our customers, and every company that I found would only actually perform the testing at 5BAR and then use the calculated flow formula to ‘calculate’ what they ‘should’ be flowing under their full working pressure.
I have found from experience on ASNU injector testing machines on conventional injectors, that the theory and the actual flow can vary quite a bit. Just something to keep in mind.
Are you using RS4 FSI injectors on the new build?
Something to keep in mind with the pressure testing result on your FSI injectors (which I presume is just for the purpose of understanding the reason for the failure and you wont be re-using them) is that no company that I could find in the UK can test FSI injectors under their full rated pressure (say 130BAR).
I looked into this for one of our customers, and every company that I found would only actually perform the testing at 5BAR and then use the calculated flow formula to ‘calculate’ what they ‘should’ be flowing under their full working pressure.
I have found from experience on ASNU injector testing machines on conventional injectors, that the theory and the actual flow can vary quite a bit. Just something to keep in mind.
Are you using RS4 FSI injectors on the new build?
Im trying to establish why the engine failed.. And I was planning on using the injectors again if they have the all clear..
Im sending them to ADS
Yes, the car was already fitted with OEM RS4 injectors..
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all the bits with ya yet johny??????
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all the bits with ya yet johny??????
Turned up last night yeah.. Thanks mate..
Engine is apart and being re bored Monday along with the head that will have a light just to be on the safe side..
Engine should be built by the end of next week hopefully and then its just a case of seeing when the parts from america will turn up, should be sending today so if all goes well with customs then its going to be a week or so waiting for that.
The fitting should be easier as the whole front end of the car is off and so fitting the parts will be a doddle with the engine on a stand..
Also, gone for a new Southbend stage 5 clutch kit with solid flywheel, should be more than enough to control the power and torque.. And they have had great sucess in the states with this set up and drag racing!
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Have they found what caused the damage yet, before they start rebuilding?
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Have they found what caused the damage yet, before they start rebuilding?
Not directly, but at the moment the state of the oil that came out of it are a clue.. It looked more like tar! I just think that the car has been ran most probably on cheap fuel, never been serviced since I sold it and this is the result..
Update..
Engine is all apart now and the true extent of the damage to the piston can be seen, pretty shocking really! Amazing that the damage to the bore was so so light, I mean, you could hardly even feel it.. 0.5mm bore out will remove that no problem and I should be good to go with the 83mm bore pistons..
Damaged piston.. (Not for the faint hearted!!)
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Strange thing is that the crown of the piston is ok, this leads me to believe that it was more a lack of oil / sh*tty oil problem rather than pre ignition as surely there would be damage to the crown if this was the case?
Head off..
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Engine out ready to be stripped down..
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Old pistons and rods.. (All the rods look in top condition, amazingly the bearings are all in perfect condition too)
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Crank.. (Again, no damage..)
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Valve train..
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Intake valve.. (all of them look like this, because of the recirculating PCV system, just shows how important it is to run a catch can with this engine)
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Block and head ready for machining..
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Lots of bits..
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The engine should be back from the machine shop Thursday and be fully built up with the new parts by the end of the week.. So thats good news..
One thing that was pretty amazing was the weight difference between the Supertech valves and the standard items.. Huge difference, ill get a figure to compare but a lightweight valve train can only be a good thing..
Also the new rods and pistons are a lot lighter than the old items, this should make the engine really free revving.. Combined with the new lightweight clutch and flywheel im estimating around 8kg off rotating mass to be saved..
Im hoping that the parts from the US should be with me within a week but you can never tell with customs!
Anyways im feeling a lot better about it all now, before it was all doom and gloom, everything that was discovered seemed to be a big negative but now its on the way to recovery..
While the car has been up in the air we have also had a chance to plan some nice chassis bits that should really help out the some what wooly handling of the S3 compared to the Golf.. Everything is on the way so fingers crossed the bits get to me from BSH and I can get the car back on the road soon..
Jonny
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:surprised: :surprised: :surprised:
those are some scary scary pics!!
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I can't believe the state of the piston, scary sh*t :surprised:
Glad to see things are not as bad as first thought, things are moving along fast! :pomppomp:
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what kind of a knob buys a car like yours and puts crappy fuel and crap oil in it? what a knob :stupid:
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I can't believe the state of the piston, scary sh*t :surprised:
Glad to see things are not as bad as first thought, things are moving along fast! :pomppomp:
Yep, pretty crazy! Looks like I caught it just in time though, wouldnt have taken long for that piston to have broken up..
what kind of a knob buys a car like yours and puts crappy fuel and crap oil in it? what a knob :stupid:
Think you have summed it up pretty well there..
I would suggest that you all go and check your oil levels.. Personally I think its been ran almost dry, topped up and then sold to me..
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my oils fine, but am worried now as i think i need a catch can!! :sad1:
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my oils fine, but am worried now as i think i need a catch can!! :sad1:
I never ran my Golf with the PCV recirculating back into the intake, after I saw pictures of what it does to the intake valves..
Every 2.0T FSI engine out there will be exactly the same if you have been running the standard PCV system, just the way it is..
Problem is, running a catch can now is a bit late.. Really you need to have the valves out and clean them up as it will definitely hurt performance.. Or run water meth and clean them that way..
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my oils fine, but am worried now as i think i need a catch can!! :sad1:
I never ran my Golf with the PCV recirculating back into the intake, after I saw pictures of what it does to the intake valves..
Every 2.0T FSI engine out there will be exactly the same if you have been running the standard PCV system, just the way it is..
can it cause any damage or loose performance?
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my oils fine, but am worried now as i think i need a catch can!! :sad1:
I never ran my Golf with the PCV recirculating back into the intake, after I saw pictures of what it does to the intake valves..
Every 2.0T FSI engine out there will be exactly the same if you have been running the standard PCV system, just the way it is..
can it cause any damage or loose performance?
Just updated my post.. :happy2:
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I cant wait to see it finished I dont know about you, will be a right weapon...I need me a 600hp S3 :party:
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what post? can it cause damage or less performance?
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Every 2.0T FSI engine out there will be exactly the same if you have been running the standard PCV system, just the way it is..
Problem is, running a catch can now is a bit late.. Really you need to have the valves out and clean them up as it will definitely hurt performance.. Or run water meth and clean them that way..
....Showing my ignorance here but can the valves be taken out and cleaned without taking the engine out of the car? Is it straightforward access via the head?
Thanks :happy2:
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the person you sold it to before must have been a real knob to not look after it. at least its all on its way to being on the road :driver:
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I thought in another thread it was established that a catch can will result in failing an MOT?
is that debris something that can be cleaned every now and again or is it an expensive ball ache to sort out?!
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Every 2.0T FSI engine out there will be exactly the same if you have been running the standard PCV system, just the way it is..
Problem is, running a catch can now is a bit late.. Really you need to have the valves out and clean them up as it will definitely hurt performance.. Or run water meth and clean them that way..
....Showing my ignorance here but can the valves be taken out and cleaned without taking the engine out of the car? Is it straightforward access via the head?
Thanks :happy2:
also please explain how to use water meth....
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I thought in another thread it was established that a catch can will result in failing an MOT?
is that debris something that can be cleaned every now and again or is it an expensive ball ache to sort out?!
im gussing its a massive job to take them out and clean them!!
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Every 2.0T FSI engine out there will be exactly the same if you have been running the standard PCV system, just the way it is..
Problem is, running a catch can now is a bit late.. Really you need to have the valves out and clean them up as it will definitely hurt performance.. Or run water meth and clean them that way..
....Showing my ignorance here but can the valves be taken out and cleaned without taking the engine out of the car? Is it straightforward access via the head?
Thanks :happy2:
Yeah, head off.. But lots of things need to come out to get the head off.. I wouldn't suggest that taking the head off is necessary though, im sure there must be another way of cleaning the valves without having to remove them from the head.. Some kind of cleaning agent that you could run through the engine? Not sure.. Certainly the best way would be to remove them but thats not going to be a cheap job..
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Hoping this hasn't been mentioned before in the thread, but out of interest, what kind of milesage had the engine covered?
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Hoping this hasn't been mentioned before in the thread, but out of interest, what kind of milesage had the engine covered?
32k mate..
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What about doing an engine flush in the oil while it in for an oil change and some injector cleaner in the tank just before the oil service
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Id check all the oil gallerys for any signs of blockage, cus if the oil hasnt been changed, it may have part blocked/Restricted one of them. Also i would have the Oil pump off and inspected for signs of wear as a 1st priority. Once she's all rebuilt, worth investing in a oil pressure Gauge. As she is heavily modded, its important to know whats going on in that department.
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Injector cleaner in the tank won't work because the the fuel is injected into the cylider and not the valves. They use Seafoam in the states to clean the valves.
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we need a seperate thred, discussing how to clean our valves!
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There isnt anyway of properly de-coking the valves joe without removing them out of the cylinder head. There are products on the market that can help improve them but wont totally shift the burnt Carbon diposits.
Using good quality fuels helps in minimising this stuff from clogging up the exhaust valves, manifold, and exhaust. :happy2:
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Id check all the oil gallerys for any signs of blockage, cus if the oil hasnt been changed, it may have part blocked/Restricted one of them. Also i would have the Oil pump off and inspected for signs of wear as a 1st priority. Once she's all rebuilt, worth investing in a oil pressure Gauge. As she is heavily modded, its important to know whats going on in that department.
The car is having a whole new oil system put on, so that wont be an issue.. Also all of the oil / water gallerys will be checked once the block is back..
Ideally I wanted Oil pressue, Oil temp, Boost and AFR but there is no nice way to mount them in an S3, im going to have to come up with something though..
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Perhaps some sort of Top Dash Mount , on the lines of something like the Ford ST/RS?
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just put them down the inide of the door pillar, ala subaru/evo :laugh:
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Am I the only one thinking the engine would be much funnier in that red Rallye in the background?
Will you be inserting that piston into any particular place, Jonny?? I have a feeling I know where it deserves to be...
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Damaged piston.. (Not for the faint hearted!!)
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Strange thing is that the crown of the piston is ok, this leads me to believe that it was more a lack of oil / sh*tty oil problem rather than pre ignition as surely there would be damage to the crown if this was the case?
That does look a lot like damage from detonation (most probably crap fuel) Detonation will usually be shown on sharp edges, so usually goes down to the rings and starts eating away there... as its done in your pics.
i would struggle to see how bad oil could do something like that.
Good to hear its on the road to repair tho
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Perhaps some sort of Top Dash Mount , on the lines of something like the Ford ST/RS?
Got some ideas, just dont want it to look like a chavvy jap car!
Am I the only one thinking the engine would be much funnier in that red Rallye in the background?
Will you be inserting that piston into any particular place, Jonny?? I have a feeling I know where it deserves to be...
Thats having a 1.8T conversion as far as I know with a GT30 turbo, so its going to be pretty quick!
Lol, no comment..
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If the top of the Piston crown was detonated, i would agree, but the top of the piston that ive read says its fine, so wouldnt really point to crap fuel. Lack of Lube maywell have caused it, BUT if thats the case, why arent cylinders 2,3,4 like that??.If the other cylinder are showing signs then id be looking at potential bad fuels, but im not so sure imo.
Engine overheat from lack of cooling is possible,(and looks like it from the photo's tbh) cylinder furthest from the water pump would be 1st to cop it from my experiance. Poor Lub would again show(or signs of) on all cylinders not just one.
Again, the damage shown is only minor!, compared to major engine failure which that isnt no way near that stage.
What condition are the Piston and Oil scraper rings like Jonny on the other Pistons?. Signs of jamming or carbon burn past the lowest compression ring?
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Ideally I wanted Oil pressue, Oil temp, Boost and AFR but there is no nice way to mount them in an S3, im going to have to come up with something though..
There are digital readouts that will do all those measurements. Just needs to be done right. 8)
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If the top of the Piston crown was detonated, i would agree, but the top of the piston that ive read says its fine, so wouldnt really point to crap fuel. Lack of Lube maywell have caused it, BUT if thats the case, why arent cylinders 2,3,4 like that??.If the other cylinder are showing signs then id be looking at potential bad fuels, but im not so sure imo.
Engine overheat from lack of cooling is possible,(and looks like it from the photo's tbh) cylinder furthest from the water pump would be 1st to cop it from my experiance. Poor Lub would again show(or signs of) on all cylinders not just one.
Again, the damage shown is only minor!, compared to major engine failure which that isnt no way near that stage.
What condition are the Piston and Oil scraper rings like Jonny on the other Pistons?. Signs of jamming or carbon burn past the lowest compression ring?
All the other pistons look mint to be honest.. Didnt have a really close look, but enough to notice that they all seemed ok..
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Ideally I wanted Oil pressue, Oil temp, Boost and AFR but there is no nice way to mount them in an S3, im going to have to come up with something though..
There are digital readouts that will do all those measurements. Just needs to be done right. 8)
Lol I know what your thinking.. Not a bad idea actually :happy2:
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Strange thing is that the crown of the piston is ok, this leads me to believe that it was more a lack of oil / sh*tty oil problem rather than pre ignition as surely there would be damage to the crown if this was the case?
Head off..
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That is an amzing amount of damage to the piston, not to have damaged the cylinder more.
And also what are your plans for the chassis/wooly steering ?- That was one of my biggest complaints with my S3.
Good luck with the build, looking and sounding great already.
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That is an amzing amount of damage to the piston, not to have damaged the cylinder more.
And also what are your plans for the chassis/wooly steering ?- That was one of my biggest complaints with my S3.
Good luck with the build, looking and sounding great already.
I know, I was shocked.. But its a good thing for me!!
Well the whole of the rear end is mounted to the chassis on 4 big soft mounts, when I say soft I mean very soft! Im having the mounts send away and there going to be re produced in CNC alloy.. That should tighten things up a little! Then the whole car will be polybushed, the problem seems to be that everything is mounted so softly.. Something that the Golf doesn't have as the rear end is different..
Seems there is a hold up with the turbo, was meant to be sent last Friday and now I have been told there 'hoping' to send it Thursday.. So theres another week delay! Arrrgh..
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OMFG , I cannot believe that hasnt taken the whole block with it ! you must have only just caught it ....
given the revolutions the pistons do , thats not been up and down too many times once its started to fail.
maybe it was a weak spot or manufacturer casting error ? esp with a chunk out after the last ring that has sharp not rounded edges.
in terms of it being cylinder 1 , anything special about that one? (I assume its the same firing order etc like the golf , and cyl3 is still the longest inlet tract? as thats where the expected detonation would happen first/worst)
I always held off on the catch can thing but you are confirming my worst fears :surprised:
great build jonny :congrats:
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you thought about getting the head ported ? i just got my head back from the man in the head , ala dave crissil and its mint . .
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First off Jonny love your build threads and keep up the good work :happy2:
A user on the R32oc website posted info about a VAG Fuel Additive
Working for Audi I get to see things that Joe Public obviously doesn't. On an RS4 TPI (Technical Product Improvement) I noticed that they recommended an OEM Fuel Additive as in there words naturally aspirated engines suffer more from coke buildup in the inlet manifold; affecting performance and emissions. The fuel additive which can be used in any VAG Petrol engine; Part No. G00170003. Think of it as a internal engine cleaner. It currently has an RRP of around £7.50 including VAT and is 1000ml in size. The official recommendation is 10ml to every 10 litres of fuel but I've (unwittingly) pushed it to 80ml to a 60litre tank with no issues. for any TFSi owners reading etc. This stuff is suitable for any petrol engine
Being curious I've been thought i'd try it over a few weeks and towards the end of the first tank I noticed an increase in throttle pick-up and around 1-3mpg improvement in general driving. Since then I've been using 1 in every 3 tankfulls and after 3 months I'd obviously highly recommend it to you Guys on here. Even if you are using 99RON petrol (which I do) you WILL notice a difference. Especially if your car is higher mileage.
http://www.r32oc.com/general-chat/13417-vag-fuel-additive.html
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smiler, is this stuff simular to Redex or is that a different Spec?
I bought some but have tried it once, prior to a rolling road day :ashamed:, but wasnt sure it would aid carbon build up on the inlet side of things?. Is it best to Bin the stuff and get what you reccommend?
Cheers
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smiler, is this stuff simular to Redex or is that a different Spec?
I bought some but have tried it once, prior to a rolling road day :ashamed:, but wasnt sure it would aid carbon build up on the inlet side of things?. Is it best to Bin the stuff and get what you reccommend?
Cheers
Phil cant comment if its better than redex ,i have just copied and pasted from the other forum.
BTW i paid £6.90 inc vat
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Cheers Smiler, just been reading that thread and its been said its the same stuff a s Redex. So perhaps my moment of madness may be helpfull after all :happy2:
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good info smiler but I still dont see how its gonna help as the fuel is inj directly so wont clear the main deposits...?
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good info smiler but I still dont see how its gonna help as the fuel is inj directly so wont clear the main deposits...?
John
Just been googling the part number bits of info there.
This is off the bottle -Prevents corrosion,carburetor icing and keeps intake ports clean.
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In my opinion i would say that damage is cause by det/heat build up.If it had been run low on oil you would have bearing issues and you have none. Perhaps the runner on that cylinder is very short or cheap fuel or mapping :scared: . Anyway good luck with the build.
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the intake cleaning would only apply to a non direct inj engine not the 2.0 TFSI, but Ill stop there as its jonnyc thread :happy2:
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So!! The block is back, re-bored to 83mm for the new pistons, and everything is perfect, luckily enough the 0.25mm on the bore wall was enough to remove any damage from the piston.. In fact, the machine shop said that a heavy hone would have been enough, I think if it was going to be running standard power then yeah.. But with the plans that I have for the car immediately and in the long term, I want to make sure that this engine will be able to take everything that I throw at it!!
The engine will be getting built up starting next week, and shouldn't take long to complete, I should have lots of pictures of the build up to post soon!
Then its just a case of waiting for the parts from the states to arrive..
Thought I would post up a few more images of the turbo kit that BSH have just released.. (part of my kit is on that table I believe)
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Can't wait to see this stuff on the car! Looks like amazing work!!
Plan is to run the car in for a week or so gently, drop the oil and see how everything is looking then go down to Revo and see what it will make! Limit is going to be the stock in tank fueling system at the moment but there are lots of things in the pipe line to sort that out!
On straight 93 octane (98 euro equivalent) guys in the states have got to around 450WHP on the stock fueling system with RS4 injectors before its maxed out, so thats what Ill be aiming for as a first shot.. Thats around 525hp at the crank.. Even with that power its going to be a very quick car!
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Awesome jonny, cant wait until its done :happy2:
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nutter :happy2:
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jonny c : tagline should be 'do it once (per car lol) , do it right' :happy2:
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Uprated in-tank pump should only run to about £150
That is what I've been quoted for mine :drinking:
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Whilst the block is out have you decided to go for the cryo treatment or not?
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Whilst the block is out have you decided to go for the cryo treatment or not?
Not bothering mate, I think if it comes to that then really you would need to be aiming for huge power to ever see the benefits, but maybes not..
I guess maybes down the line ill build another engine for the car, having got lots of info from this one! Any maybes do it then..
Just something interesting to note too.. Was on the phone to Phil @ BSH earlier and we talked about how he was getting on with the kit on his demo car.. He said he has full spool by 3700rpm with a 3076R turbo (same as what im running) I really think thats pretty impressive considering the turbo.. With ceramic coatings and some other trick bits I think I can get that down a couple more hundred rpm which would give a really big power range!
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Wow, this is sounding awesome, and good news about the block - I remember how fast and sticky my S3 wa with a mere 330BHP, nearly double that, with the right gearing is just gonna fly.
What is it going to be like to drive normally?
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Wow, this is sounding awesome, and good news about the block - I remember how fast and sticky my S3 wa with a mere 330BHP, nearly double that, with the right gearing is just gonna fly.
What is it going to be like to drive normally?
I think it will be pretty tame to be honest, the turbo wont be working at all below 3k so driving around town will be very quiet and smooth and motorway driving should also be cool as there will be no boost in 6th at 70mph..
Obviously im going off the last turbo that was on the car, to be honest, there wont be a huge difference in normal driving, just once you get on it then its going to be a different story!
Gearing is something I have been thinking about, but thats down the line to be honest.. The long term plan is to mate it up with a DSG 'box with uprated clutches, strengthened gears, LSD etc etc.. After im happy with the power the car is making, that will be the next way of un locking some extra pace.. But, ill have to wait for someone to come up with clutches, as at the moment the HPA solution is pretty expensive as there is nothing else on the market!
VAG car running 500bhp per tonne and a dual clutch gearbox.. Remind you of anything??? :wink:
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I want it :driver:
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No way a proper gt3076 is hitting full boost that early on a 2L. Very good ones hit 2 bar at 4000rpm (thats with a .82 housing)
What exhaust housing are you using?
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No way a proper gt3076 is hitting full boost that early on a 2L. Very good ones hit 2 bar at 4000rpm (thats with a .82 housing)
What exhaust housing are you using?
Surely it depends what boost the car is requesting??.. When he says full boost he will mean requested boost, so probably around 1.7 bar.. Anyways I have no reason to not believe that, and ill have a video of mine soon enough!
Anyways 300rpm difference to what your saying? Could that not just be that the efficiency of the 2.0T FSI (which everyone knows is very good for a stock engine) could be helping things out?
Im not sure what exhaust housing, its the Tial V-Band and I think the .82 (it only looks pretty small)
What have you done to your Evo?
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Not trying to be negative bud but on the kits i've used v-band or none v-band never had 2 bar by <4000rpm on a 2L with a .82 housing.There still good for road use though.
Not really sure what you mean by requested boost as i guess you could request 2 bar at any rpm?The fsi engine will behave no differently to any other 2l engine with single scroll turbo kit.
My evo is no where near the budget of your cars jonny,i think you've spent more on a set of alloys than i have on my whole car! :grin:
Just exhaust,filter,turbo,twin pump,injectors,cams,standalone ecu.stock pistons/head etc just shy of 500bhp.
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Not trying to be negative bud but on the kits i've used v-band or none v-band never had 2 bar by <4000rpm on a 2L with a .82 housing.There still good for road use though.
Not really sure what you mean by requested boost as i guess you could request 2 bar at any rpm?The fsi engine will behave no differently to any other 2l engine with single scroll turbo kit.
My evo is no where near the budget of your cars jonny,i think you've spent more on a set of alloys than i have on my whole car! :grin:
Just exhaust,filter,turbo,twin pump,injectors,cams,standalone ecu.stock pistons/head etc just shy of 500bhp.
Na im just interested lol.. Well we'll have to see, to be honest I can cope with 4k spool, 5k with a 35r would be a bit too high I think to be honest, but im sure that ill be happy enough with it.. Ill have to find out which housing it is that ill be running..
Stock appearing turbo on your Evo? I would love to tune an Evo, just so many options out there for them.. But I just can't get around the image, puts me off.. Such a shame because its a great car!!
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I am very interested in how yours performs,looks a very good quality kit,i guess only time will tell.Who's mapping it?
RE:Evo ,just a bolt on turbo .Car is old and looks crap but it goes well and is cheap and inherriently good handling due to being based on a race car.
It's not my daily drive just for trackdays and messing about.
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I am very interested in how yours performs,looks a very good quality kit,i guess only time will tell.Who's mapping it?
RE:Evo ,just a bolt on turbo .Car is old and looks crap but it goes well and is cheap and inherriently good handling due to being based on a race car.
It's not my daily drive just for trackdays and messing about.
Its going to be mapped by Revo, the file will be based on the production Stage 3 software with a couple of adjustments to make the most of the 76 rather than 71 turbo..
Yeah, the kit looks fantastic, I can't wait to see it for myself!
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So when do you think it will be up and running? I guess your running the engine in at the mo.
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So when do you think it will be up and running? I guess your running the engine in at the mo.
Engine should be built within the week.. And by then the turbo kit and clutch/flywheel kit should be with me from the states so we can get on with doing that..
Im hoping that W/C 24th August it should be done.. Then ill need to run it in for a week with a running in map.. Then take a trip down to Revo to have the full map put on and get it dyno'd etc.. :laugh:
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If your in nothants at revo you should pop up to leicester.There is a dyno near me.
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If your in nothants at revo you should pop up to leicester.There is a dyno near me.
Think there is one right near Revo that they use often but thinking about it, it could easily be as far as going to Leicester.. What type of Dyno is it near you?
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Dyno Dynamics.
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Dyno Dynamics.
Seems that they can almost make the figures up with that dyno though! Suppose if the operator knows what there doing then its going to be a very accurate figure though! I had my GTI done on a DD roller, made 300WHP flat..
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I tune a fair few cars and there the only one i use ,in shoot 44 the whp figure can be repeated at any other dd dyno within 2/3whp.Let me know when your going to the one revo use and i'll bring my japcrap down if it's 4wd.
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I tune a fair few cars and there the only one i use ,in shoot 44 the whp figure can be repeated at any other dd dyno within 2/3whp.Let me know when your going to the one revo use and i'll bring my japcrap down if it's 4wd.
Ahh fair play, to be honest, I think they had it on shootout mode when I had the GTI done.. It was at RS Tuning in Leeds..
Cool, ill let you know mate.. Would be a good comparison based on what your car has made in the past etc etc.. Yeah its a 4WD dyno! :happy2:
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Just bought the N2MB WOT box, this seems like a really nice piece of kit.. Pretty simple but should help the launch and boost recovery enormously..
You can set the launch RPM between 2000 - 13600rpm (dont think ill need the upper range lol) Im thinking 5000rpm set to start with and see how the car launches with that..
And the ignition cut on the shift between 25 and 550ms.. I would expect that a 250ms shift time would be a good start point, but that will just be a case of cutting the time down as much as possible to the point at which its optimized.. (depending on how quickly you can select the gear)
There is also an automatic mode which will allow the ignition cut to be tailored each gear change and power wont be re engaged until the clutch is released.. Probably easier to drive with but im sure there will be a margin left in this, so the shifts wont be as fast
£135 from the states, and by the looks of it a couple of hours to install taking it easy..
If nothing else it will make all the right noises! :happy2: Im expecting there to be a huge difference..
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REVO used to use the dyno here http://www.stealthracing.co.uk/ but I think they took some stick over it.
I've been to WRC Technologies in Silverstone which is another one they used. That was a 4wd DD setup.
Jonny I had a look at those WOT boxes a little while back, certainly a neat idea so I'll interested to read your review.
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REVO used to use the dyno here http://www.stealthracing.co.uk/ but I think they took some stick over it.
I've been to WRC Technologies in Silverstone which is another one they used. That was a 4wd DD setup.
Jonny I had a look at those WOT boxes a little while back, certainly a neat idea so I'll interested to read your review.
They used a MAHA dyno.. Anyways its just to get an idea on output.. As I always said with the Golf, im quite happy having a printout for 350hp when I know it can pull EASILY on GTI's that claim to have 100 or more HP more than mine.. Its all about how it drives and on the road / track pace certainly isn't directly related to one number..
The WOT box does look cool.. To be fair I haven't managed to find one bad thing said about it.. All the reviews rave about it, so worth giving it a try! :happy2:
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I had a read of the install again, I wonder why they don't pick up the clutch switch inside the car alongside the throttle switch. Difficulty (albeit not too great) will be that it's designed for LHD install. If you use a grommet behind the battery box you'll probably need to extend the wires inside the car.
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I had a read of the install again, I wonder why they don't pick up the clutch switch inside the car alongside the throttle switch. Difficulty (albeit not too great) will be that it's designed for LHD install. If you use a grommet behind the battery box you'll probably need to extend the wires inside the car.
Well I would imagine that there will be some jiggling round to make it all fit in.. Hopefully they have provided enough length in the wires for it not to be a problem..
I did think that too.. Also, dont like the idea of splicing into the cables, thought there must be a nicer way of doing that?
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I've never been a fan of cutting into wiring looms. Soldering is normally the most reliable connection but it's not the most subtle or discreet.
I'm guessing it picks up the signal en-route to the ECU. The being the case then inside the ECU plug would look neater but would be a little more work.
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REVO used to use the dyno here http://www.stealthracing.co.uk/ but I think they took some stick over it.
I've been to WRC Technologies in Silverstone which is another one they used. That was a 4wd DD setup.
Jonny I had a look at those WOT boxes a little while back, certainly a neat idea so I'll interested to read your review.
Don't think stealth is 4wd or has the capacity for bigger hp cars.
WRC no longer exists,maha's are ok but tend to overread a little bit.
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REVO always try to use their dealers dyno's so that they can 'pay' them in file credit rather than real money.
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Jonny
When you car is completed, and making 500-600BHP or so, what are you expecting the performance figures to be - 0-60, 1/4 mile etc, and top speed - Should be ferocious, should it not???
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Jonny
When you car is completed, and making 500-600BHP or so, what are you expecting the performance figures to be - 0-60, 1/4 mile etc, and top speed - Should be ferocious, should it not???
Hmm.. Not really thought about 0-60 very much to be honest.. Andys S3 with 1500kg / 420hp and no launch control or flat shift did 0-60 in 4.0 so im thinking mine with 150hp more / 300kg less and some other trick bits should be low 3's to be honest..
As for 1/4 mile times im really hoping to be able to drop into the 10's.. Even if its a 10.999 lol..
600hp in almost anything is good for getting on for 200mph..
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No way a proper gt3076 is hitting full boost that early on a 2L. Very good ones hit 2 bar at 4000rpm (thats with a .82 housing)
What exhaust housing are you using?
Found out and its the Tial V-Band .63 housing that will be on my turbo..
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Explains the quick spool up,ill be interesting to see if you experience any surge.I cannot see 600 with that housing ,probably 520 tops on pump fuel.
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Explains the quick spool up,ill be interesting to see if you experience any surge.I cannot see 600 with that housing ,probably 520 tops on pump fuel.
Has the anti-surge housing.. We'll see.. I know 525 ish is going to be about the max that the stock fueling can handle so once we know how much boost we need to run to achieve that it should give me a good idea how much head room there is..
There are plenty of options down the line in terms of upgrading the turbo and top end of the engine..
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What size are the injectors and what fuel pump is it? Sweet spot for the turbo will be 2 bar held.
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What size are the injectors and what fuel pump is it? Sweet spot for the turbo will be 2 bar held.
I dont know what the RS4 injectors equate to in terms of conventional cc rated non DI injectors.. I think its around the 850cc mark, but really dont hold me to it.. I do remember reading that a while ago though! Hmm..
Again not sure on the rating of the in tank pump, at the moment its not possible to add an inline pump to the existing system as the voltage drawn by the fuel pump is variable and it would need another system to run the additional pump..
JC douglas in the states made 510WHP with the RS4 injectors and stock in tank pump (smaller than the S3 pump on the GTI by the way) running 100% meth injection which obviously helped.. That was 35psi sustained on a 3071R
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Update..
Hey all..
All things are coming along nicely, the turbo kit from BSH is being send tomorrow, and should be with me (fingers crossed) by early next week.. There has been a hold up due to a few adjustments I wanted making to aid the fitting and performance of the kit..
Couple of annoying things have been found, not going to make any difference to the build but just pisses me off how people can neglect a car so badly..
This is the oil filter
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And the sump..
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Notice the gunge that is coming out of the filter, and the sh*t that is sat in the sump! This is after being flushed out, the stuff you can see is residual gunk that has been dislodged! Its almost the consistency of tar, just shows that there is no way the car has been regularly serviced as suggested by myself..
Luckily all of the bearings on the crank and oil pump look mint!
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The only damage is some wear on the oil pump chain tensioner, so that will also be changed..
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The oil and water gallerys were in perfect condition with no metal particles or blockages.. The oil pump is in perfect condition. Im having the oil cooler changed out of precaution as there is a super fine matrix inside which could easily hold metal particles.. Better to be safe than sorry really, especially as the whole engine is going to be basically new!
Good points!!
Engine is coming along nicely, block is built up with the new pistons / rods and crank and the head is back from being skimmed tomorrow and will be fitted with the new Supertech valve train parts hopefully by the end of the day!
Heres some pics..
New piston and rod combo
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Clean..
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Machined block.. 0.5mm overbore
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Built bottom end..
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So coming along pretty well, engine and all ancillaries will be built up tomorrow so that the engine is sealed and can be wheeled in and out of the engine compartment of the car when testing the fit of the turbo kit!
Im really hoping that I should have the car back on the road for running in for my birthday which is the 24th! Will be a nice present from me to me!! haha..
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that is shocking mate. how long did that car own the car for??
rest is looking good tho. can't wait to see the arrival of the kit and it bolted onto the engine! :jumping:
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sweet pics
out of interest whats the black thing bolted to the bottom of the sump? looks baffle type thing?!?
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35psi(2.4bar) is savage on a gt3071,bet he was making peak power at 5000rpm! Yanks tend to use dynojet dyno's which overread,
510whp will be about 418whp on dd or 530bhp.
What size are the injectors and what fuel pump is it? Sweet spot for the turbo will be 2 bar held.
I dont know what the RS4 injectors equate to in terms of conventional cc rated non DI injectors.. I think its around the 850cc mark, but really dont hold me to it.. I do remember reading that a while ago though! Hmm..
Again not sure on the rating of the in tank pump, at the moment its not possible to add an inline pump to the existing system as the voltage drawn by the fuel pump is variable and it would need another system to run the additional pump..
JC douglas in the states made 510WHP with the RS4 injectors and stock in tank pump (smaller than the S3 pump on the GTI by the way) running 100% meth injection which obviously helped.. That was 35psi sustained on a 3071R
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dyno numbers are only ever going to be representative... maha numbers are industry acknowledged flywheel numbers due to the lack of operator input allowing numbers to be as consistent as possible across maha dynos. no chassis dyno is ever going to give an accurate reading that's a given, there are pro's and con's to each and evey dyno. I don't see why you're so cynical.... these motors are different to evos, and they respond differently to turbos also so it's not what the turbo will do as all the turbo does is flow compressed air, the engine does the rest
looking good jonny :)
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Terminal speeds at the strip will give good indication of power :happy2:
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Terminal speeds at the strip will give good indication of power :happy2:
And the expression on the passengers face too.. :grin:
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dyno numbers are only ever going to be representative... maha numbers are industry acknowledged flywheel numbers due to the lack of operator input allowing numbers to be as consistent as possible across maha dynos. no chassis dyno is ever going to give an accurate reading that's a given, there are pro's and con's to each and evey dyno. I don't see why you're so cynical.... these motors are different to evos, and they respond differently to turbos also so it's not what the turbo will do as all the turbo does is flow compressed air, the engine does the rest
looking good jonny :)
Maha has no mode to lock out functions and i've never heard of it being a industry standard. A turbo is a turbo whatever it's bolted onto,all engines will have bottlenecks but that doesn't affect the capacity of the turbo as a whole to push air.Ok perhaps the 2.0t engine will have bottlenecks as it was never devised as a competition engine.
I totally agree with Luca if you want to disregard dyno numbers alhough i've always found a direct relationship between dd whp figures and terminals.
In a 500bhp 4wd car weighing 1300-1400kg the terminal will be 120-123mph,600bhp your looking at 127-130mph.
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dyno numbers are only ever going to be representative... maha numbers are industry acknowledged flywheel numbers due to the lack of operator input allowing numbers to be as consistent as possible across maha dynos. no chassis dyno is ever going to give an accurate reading that's a given, there are pro's and con's to each and evey dyno. I don't see why you're so cynical.... these motors are different to evos, and they respond differently to turbos also so it's not what the turbo will do as all the turbo does is flow compressed air, the engine does the rest
looking good jonny :)
Maha has no mode to lock out functions and i've never heard of it being a industry standard. A turbo is a turbo whatever it's bolted onto,all engines will have bottlenecks but that doesn't affect the capacity of the turbo as a whole to push air.Ok perhaps the 2.0t engine will have bottlenecks as it was never devised as a competition engine.
I totally agree with Luca if you want to disregard dyno numbers alhough i've always found a direct relationship between dd whp figures and terminals.
In a 500bhp 4wd car weighing 1300-1400kg the terminal will be 120-123mph,600bhp your looking at 127-130mph.
As I have said, the numbers dont mean a huge amount to me.. It would be nice to crack 600hp but there are always going to be doubters, so whats the point shouting about a power or torque figure when its only going to get criticized to death anyways??
Thats why I hardly ever mentioned the power output of my Golf, it wasn't important to me at all.. There a plenty of people out there with far more impressive power figures than me but up to now the closest anyones got in a 1/4 has been half a second off.. Thats what im interested in..
No one can really argue with in gear side by side comparisons or calibrated 1/4 mile times at a FIA track.. That doesn't stop them trying though!
As for the weight saving I have really put some time into going throughout the whole car and pulled together a realistic target for the base weight of the car (without fuel) and its a hell of a lot less than 1300kg! Once the car is up and running that will be the next focus to gain performance.. Certainly worked on the ED30..
Back to the build..
The head was worked on all of today and is now rebuilt with the Supertech parts.. What I didnt mention is that the head has been ported and polished also, not really sure how much of a difference it will make, but it all helps!
The casting for the head was very rough and had quite a few aggressive steps in it so im pretty sure we should see some improvement, how much is going to be impossible to say but its well worth doing while everything is apart..
Should have some pics later of the head..
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Sounds good jonny,headwork tends to give you power without the need to run high boost,standard or oversize valves?
Your certainly cracking on with it :happy2:
Without trawling through all of your ed 30 thread what did you get the weight down to? whats the goal for the s3?
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on the plus side jonny it won't be a ricer either :wink:
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Sounds good jonny,headwork tends to give you power without the need to run high boost,standard or oversize valves?
Your certainly cracking on with it :happy2:
Without trawling through all of your ed 30 thread what did you get the weight down to? whats the goal for the s3?
Valves were already ordered so unfortunately im staying stock for now.. Im going to try and find myself another S3 head and build that, Ferrea 1mm oversized valve train, ported and polished, cams etc etc.. When those bits are available anyways.. Then I can do some testing to see how much there is to come from the top end..
I got the ED30 down to 1195kg from the stock 1450kg.. (DSG remember, thats 35kg more than the stock box, I weighed one the other day so I can confirm this..)
The S3 I have not yet had on scales but im going off it being 1500kg.. Could be more, could be less.. Ill have to find out.. Anyways I can account for 300kg of weight saving without turning it into a track only car, will still have an interior, which will look better than standard and apart from that everything else you would have to look hard to notice.. Its going to take time as im going to have to have a lot of the parts custom made but the aim is to crack 1200kg.. Depending on the stock weight that may or may not be possible..
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Sounds good, with 520bhp and 1200kg i reckon you could achieve a low 11 at 124mph.
Looking forward to hearing your results
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Sounds good, with 520bhp and 1200kg i reckon you could achieve a low 11 at 124mph.
Looking forward to hearing your results
Well im sure that ill have lots of fun trying, should be interesting for sure.. An 11.5 is the first aim, thats a good realistic bench mark to aim for, then I know it will take LOTS more to get those extra few tenths but thats part of the fun!
Im also having a full carbon floor made for the car, should make a real difference to the drag which is often overlooked.. Will be a very subtle splitter at the front end and a small diffuser at the rear, It will be designed purely to minimize drag and not create downforce..
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So when is its first run planned at the Pod Jonny? :smiley:
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So when is its first run planned at the Pod Jonny? :smiley:
Hmm.. Well going to have to see really.. Would love to still make it for the next planned forum meet, early September I think?
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Great thread so far, looking forward to that day at Santa Pod :happy2:
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Great thread so far, looking forward to that day at Santa Pod :happy2:
x2 :smiley:
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Massive respect for the way your dealing with this dude. If you achieve your goal I can't think of many things out there that are going to be able to touch it.
Luke
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Hmm.. Well going to have to see really.. Would love to still make it for the next planned forum meet, early September I think?
Nice one. I guess once its run in then soon after. :happy2:
Hopefully I shall have some nice glassware pointed in your direction. :smiley:
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How do you think this will handle on a track day once its done jonny, that going to be a lot of power to rein in on cornering and exit. is it possible to adjust the bias for power a little more to the rear wheels on an S3.
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I think Jonny has already mentioned an uprated Haldex.
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How do you think this will handle on a track day once its done jonny, that going to be a lot of power to rein in on cornering and exit. is it possible to adjust the bias for power a little more to the rear wheels on an S3.
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http://www.hpamotorsports.com/haldex.htm
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How do you think this will handle on a track day once its done jonny, that going to be a lot of power to rein in on cornering and exit. is it possible to adjust the bias for power a little more to the rear wheels on an S3.
It will be fine, the S3 chassis is very capable, this power should wake it up! Im buying a race haldex controller with switch soon..
Update..
So lots of things are happening pretty quickly now, coming along really well..
First of all this little thing arrived yesterday!! Thanks to Neil and Ollie at THS..
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Core is rated to 600hp so should be up to the job!!!
First of all the engine build.. Parts are all here now and the head is all built up. Ported and polished and fitted with the new Supertech parts!
Head back from being skimmed, 30 microns were removed, so not much.. At this point the internals of the head had not had any attention!
Before..
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About an 1/8 of an inch of build up!! Crazy really..
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After..
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Check out the inlet ports!!
Before..
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And after, you can see a small difference!!
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Everyone that has seen the state of the inside of this engine has been shocked. Its got nothing to do with the piston problem that I had. This is just how the 2.0T FSI runs with the stock PCV system, pretty nasty really!!
More bits, stretch bolts, seals, gaskets etc etc etc.. Now the bottom end is all built up, oil pump is back on, everything cleaned up and a new filter!!
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Happy about all of the progress on the engine build! Nothing is being left to chance so everything is being replaced.. Not the cheapest way of doing things but I know for sure that im giving the engine the best chance possible of lasting and being strong enough to cope with the power.
Final spec of the engine is as follows..
* Head skim
* Block re-bore & hone to 83MM
* Integrated engineering non-tapered 2.0T FSI connecting rods
* JE 83MM bore 8.5:1 compression forged pistons
* JE pistons rings
* ARP 2000 rod bolts
* Calico coated rod bearings
* Ported and polished inlet / exhaust head
* Supertech stock size inlet and exhaust inconel valves
Turbo is on its way from the states now.. Should have some pics from BSH and a video of there 450WHP GTI running pretty soon.. Apparently the dump tube sounds incredible!!
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that build up of crud is shocking!!! im doing the quick fix on mine fo sho,
cant afford a catch can atm. :smiley:
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is there not some sort of mixture that we can spray into the intake or mix with the fuel, like red ex that would stop that, or at least clean it a little prior to fitting the PCV fix. is this caused by early detonation of the fuel mix, if so would water meth fix that as it prevents early detonation by cooling(if i understood it right)
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is there not some sort of mixture that we can spray into the intake or mix with the fuel, like red ex that would stop that, or at least clean it a little prior to fitting the PCV fix
Inlet manifold off is quite a job on these cars.. To be honest, if your going to loosen off the muck then it has to be ingested by the engine then spat out of the exhaust. After seeing the bits that were on the valves and inlet of the head I know I wouldn't want it going through my engine..
Only way of doing it properly would be to remove the head and clean everything that way.. Is it worth it? Im honestly not sure, depending on your state of tune maybes not, but for sure these engines are going to be a state with 100k miles on etc..
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why have you chosen 8.5 rather than 9.5 compression ration?
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why have you chosen 8.5 rather than 9.5 compression ration?
I wanted the option for going to a 35r turbo in the future, it would be a simple bolt on modification if I decided to do it because of the turbo kit that I have chosen.. I only want to build the engine once so I decided to go lower on the compression.. Plus, it will allow me to run a load more boost and timing on pump fuel..
Difference in spool from 9.5:1 to 8.5:1 will only be a few 100 RPM's with the 3076R so its not really going to make a huge impact..
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ok so the 8.5 with increase spool time a bit then over the 9.5's?
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ok so the 8.5 with increase spool time a bit then over the 9.5's?
Yeah, less cylinder pressure off boost so it will add some time to the spool, the higer you go on compression the more bottom end / faster the spool time but it limits the boost / timing you can run as the cylinder pressures go through the roof.. Bit of a balancing act really, I know 8.5:1 is a little on the low side for the size of turbo that im running for now, but that will all change when I can get fueling sorted for 700+.. Then it will be a GT3582R with Tial exhaust housing.. Laggy as hell, boost comes in at around 5k but it will make some serious power top end..
Power will come in 1k later than the 3076R turbo but I would sort that out by allowing the engine to rev to more like 9k with head work etc.. So the useable power curve would remain at around 4k revs..
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do you think there will be much difference in low end power going from the stock (BWA) CR 10.5 to 9.5?
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do you think there will be much difference in low end power going from the stock (BWA) CR 10.5 to 9.5?
A little, but for sure you will make more top end power.. It really depends what your after, if your sticking with the 28 then dont go any lower than 9.5:1.. JE now do 10.25:1 compression pistons for non tapered rods..
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All very interesting. :smiley:
I've gone for the RSR VF piston and rod upgrade with the GT2871R you sold to me Jonny. They are 8.8:1 comp ratio and (so I'm told) should be better for me in conjunction with the DSG and a ECU/TCU upgrade to allow me to run upwards to 8krpm on the GIAC software. I've been told that boost will be around 200rpm later(ish) than with the higher comp pistons, but will ultimately give me around 20-30 bhp at the top end through more flexibility with boost/timing whilst remaining very tractable at the lower rpms.
Does this sound about right?
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All very interesting. :smiley:
I've gone for the RSR VF piston and rod upgrade with the GT2871R you sold to me Jonny. They are 8.8:1 comp ratio and (so I'm told) should be better for me in conjunction with the DSG and a ECU/TCU upgrade to allow me to run upwards to 8krpm on the GIAC software. I've been told that boost will be around 200rpm later(ish) than with the higher comp pistons, but will ultimately give me around 20-30 bhp at the top end through more flexibility with boost/timing whilst remaining very tractable at the lower rpms.
Does this sound about right?
Sounds about right, just bare in mind revving to 8k on the standard valve train is really pushing it.. Are you having the head rebuilt?
Same deal as me too, your leaving yourself the option to go bigger in the future if you wish.. Really you only want to (in my case can afford to) build a forged engine once..
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The valvetrain will stay the same. It looks like they will go as far as setting the ecu limit at 7,800rpm with the change up at 7,600, so not quite as high as I originally thought. I don't know if I'll eventually go bigger as the FWD will probably be at the limit with the GT2871 :laugh:
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The valvetrain will stay the same. It looks like they will go as far as setting the ecu limit at 7,800rpm with the change up at 7,600, so not quite as high as I originally thought. I don't know if I'll eventually go bigger as the FWD will probably be at the limit with the GT2871 :laugh:
At 7600 you should be ok.. Yeah I agree, around 450hp with FWD is about the limit without going to extreme measures..
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Soon changed your mind about the gt35! :grin:
gt3582 spools 500rpm slower than a gt3076 in my experience and the powerband is more linear.
I wouldn't run any higher than 9:1 compression on a high hp turbocharged engine.
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Soon changed your mind about the gt35! :grin:
gt3582 spools 500rpm slower than a gt3076 in my experience and the powerband is more linear.
I wouldn't run any higher than 9:1 compression on a high hp turbocharged engine.
It was always something that I was thinking about.. The real question is how long will I stick with the 3076 lol..
Just depends how fast it really is, I want it to be fast.. If that means a 35r then thats what its going to have lol.. I would never go any bigger than that on a 2.0L though..
There is a 35r Audi A3 in the states that Revo have tuned, in fact, the guy who owns the car works for Revo.. He made 650WHP recently, and he's going for 700WHP shortly.. He's still running a FWD chassis at the moment but is sticking a quattro running gear in it to rein in the power..
Apparently they can only do logs in 5th gear hahaha..
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The GT3076R is a decent turbo and for a all-round street turbo i think it's one if not the best but they have there limitations as far as 1/4 times etc.IMO on pump fuel they will not do 10's.You need a gt3582 or bigger to get into 10's but it's still not that easy!
I tend to ignore all the yanks to be honest they tend to use dynojet's which overread massively and there 1/4's seem so optimistic.I personally like the delivery of the gt30 compared to the gt35.
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The GT3076R is a decent turbo and for a all-round street turbo i think it's one if not the best but they have there limitations as far as 1/4 times etc.IMO on pump fuel they will not do 10's.You need a gt3582 or bigger to get into 10's but it's still not that easy!
I tend to ignore all the yanks to be honest they tend to use dynojet's which overread massively and there 1/4's seem so optimistic.I personally like the delivery of the gt30 compared to the gt35.
Im going to see how I get on and go from there.. Its all down the line anyways, just nice to know I have the option of an easy upgrade in the future..
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Your a bit like one of my mates jonny he had a gt3076 made 500bhp took off within 2 weeks and had a gt35 on.Personally i like my 500bhp hybrid ,i know it will never do better than 11's but imo drives alot nicer than his gt35 although 50bhp down.
When's that turbo turning up?
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Your a bit like one of my mates jonny he had a gt3076 made 500bhp took off within 2 weeks and had a gt35 on.Personally i like my 500bhp hybrid ,i know it will never do better than 11's but imo drives alot nicer than his gt35 although 50bhp down.
When's that turbo turning up?
haha.. I wander how many times you have told me that I wont get into the 10's?? lol.. Seriously mate, its a goal, something that im going to work to, its a bit of fun and nothing more. I appreciate your opinions but I dont have short term memory loss :happy2:
Turbo is on its way, so its down to shipping and customs now, fingers crossed within a week, then all being well a few days to get it all back together! :smiley:
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Sorry to bang on about the 10's :grin: To give you some hope another lad did 10.9 with a gt3082 at 129mph but his car was extremely light and about 580bhp,so there is still hope.Anyway i'm coming down when you go to pod give you some proper competition :driver:
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Sorry to bang on about the 10's :grin: To give you some hope another lad did 10.9 with a gt3082 at 129mph but his car was extremely light and about 580bhp,so there is still hope.Anyway i'm coming down when you go to pod give you some proper competition :driver:
Thanks lol.. Think ill be having a few practice runs so I know what im letting myself in for haha..
Should have pics of the turbo kit tomorrow all being well. BSH are sending me a load of stuff later today! :smiley:
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Dont know how you can live with lag of a Gt35, I think the 2871R is more than enough lag as it is.
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Dont know how you can live with lag of a Gt35, I think the 2871R is more than enough lag as it is.
T25 cast manifold to a tubular T3 v-band makes a huge difference to spool times, even with a bigger turbo..
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Yes I guess so, but would be interesting to see graphs to compare curves at lower end.
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Yes I guess so, but would be interesting to see graphs to compare curves at lower end.
There is always going to be a sacrifice bottom end but if it means I can make 250-300hp more from 5k revs then its going to be worth it if thats what im after..
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yes exactly, its all about you personally preferences :)
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Dont know how you can live with lag of a Gt35, I think the 2871R is more than enough lag as it is.
T25 cast manifold to a tubular T3 v-band makes a huge difference to spool times, even with a bigger turbo..
Does being externally 'gated make for quicker spool? 2nd to having to svae the cash longer spool is the one thing making me have to give real thought into if i should big turbo
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Dont know how you can live with lag of a Gt35, I think the 2871R is more than enough lag as it is.
T25 cast manifold to a tubular T3 v-band makes a huge difference to spool times, even with a bigger turbo..
Does being externally 'gated make for quicker spool? 2nd to having to svae the cash longer spool is the one thing making me have to give real thought into if i should big turbo
External gate and the v-band tial exhaust housing, must less restriction makes for quicker spool and more power up top too..
GT3071R spools up 150rpm later than a K04.. Thats proven on Andys S3.. No matter what anyone says..
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Dont know how you can live with lag of a Gt35, I think the 2871R is more than enough lag as it is.
T25 cast manifold to a tubular T3 v-band makes a huge difference to spool times, even with a bigger turbo..
Does being externally 'gated make for quicker spool? 2nd to having to svae the cash longer spool is the one thing making me have to give real thought into if i should big turbo
External gate and the v-band tial exhaust housing, must less restriction makes for quicker spool and more power up top too..
GT3071R spools up 150rpm later than a K04.. Thats proven on Andys S3.. No matter what anyone says..
Not much later then :)
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Not much later then :)
Nope, but the difference is amazing! So smooth too..
Turbo is on the way with the clutch and a load of other bits.. All being well the kit should arrive Monday.. Meaning that the car should be running some time next week! Can't wait..
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its a bit of rude of me, but i was wandering where you have picked up all this knowledge of modifications etc from,
theres some pretty impressive things going on with your car. :notworthy:
you dont have to answer that though :ashamed:
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its a bit of rude of me, but i was wandering where you have picked up all this knowledge of modifications etc from,
theres some pretty impressive things going on with your car. :notworthy:
you dont have to answer that though :ashamed:
No worries.. I have loved cars for as long as I can remember and for the last 8 years have worked with some of the best engineers / engine builders and chassis designers in the motorsport industry.. And.. Im not afraid to ask questions.
I have a massive interest in everything to do with cars and automotive engineering so its all fun and very much in my interest professionally to know exactly what im talking about when it comes to what makes a car fast..
I dont claim to know everything but im doing my best, and I love learning new things but what I do know I try to apply into my hobby which is modifying my road cars into something that I want them to be.. With the S3 I can finally go the whole hog and do EVERYTHING that I want to do, within reason of course.. :happy2:
The whole 1/4 mile thing is a bit of fun, a bit of friendly competition is all good too.. Its different to what I do and thats why I can enjoy it in a road car.. I have no interest paying to take my own car round a circuit..
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i get to do some pretty phenominal stuff that 99% of people never get to do with my job TFSI_Mike would agree also,
but id swap that to work in motorsport any day and am sure mike would as well. Insanely jealous :drool:lol
what area of motorsport are you working in then, theres a pretty varied selection available, of course you dont have to divulge
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i get to do some pretty phenominal stuff that 99% of people never get to do with my job TFSI_Mike would agree also,
but id swap that to work in motorsport any day and am sure mike would as well. Insanely jealous :drool:lol
what area of motorsport are you working in then, theres a pretty varied selection available, of course you dont have to divulge
http://www.jonathancocker.co.uk/
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cool job, now i see why you wouldnt pay to go take your car around a track, lol.
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i get to do some pretty phenominal stuff that 99% of people never get to do with my job TFSI_Mike would agree also,
but id swap that to work in motorsport any day and am sure mike would as well. Insanely jealous :drool:lol
what area of motorsport are you working in then, theres a pretty varied selection available, of course you dont have to divulge
Agreed and agreed!!!
*edit
and Dream Job :drool:
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http://www.draysonracing.com/teamJC.html , At age 18, became the youngest-ever driver to win the British GT Championship driving a Porsche 996 RSR to six wins, five second-place and three third-place finishes. Finished third in class in the FIA GT race at Donington Park. Won the Porsche Carrera Cup Asia race in Shanghai. Named the British Racing Drivers’ Club (BRDC) “Rising Star†and was nominated by Autosport for “Club Racing Driver of the Yearâ€.
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What an epic thread! Its kept me entertained for half an hour and I'll definitely be checking back regularly! :happy2:
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Johnny this is simply amazing :notworthy:
I showed this thread to the tech's at Audi Centre Cape Town who I deal with very closely and they just shook their heads in a crazed manner.
So please understand you have most of Audi and the Audi forums in South Africa watching to too. :star:
Mike
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Johnny this is simply amazing :notworthy:
I showed this thread to the tech's at Audi Centre Cape Town who I deal with very closely and they just shook their heads in a crazed manner.
So please understand you have most of Audi and the Audi forums in South Africa watching to too. :star:
Mike
LOL very tru
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any updates johny????
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any updates johny????
Should have some more pics etc later tonight..
Engine is all together now, clutch arrived today, waiting on two boxes from customs, one has literally just cleared and im hoping the other should too today! If thats the case then it can all get started tomorrow.. Shouldn't take much longer than a couple of days if it all fits how were expecting it to!..
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Good news jonny, you must be a little bit excited??
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Good news jonny, you must be a little bit excited??
Errr.. Just a bit haha.. :grin:
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Bit of a big one this time..
So its all coming along nicely!! The turbo kit should all be with me tomorrow.. (fingers crossed) I have also had quite a few more parts arrive over the last few days..
The engine is now built up minus the intake manifold, that’s staying off until the engine is in the car, just to avoid any damage etc..
The engine is basically brand new now! VW/Audi really know how to charge, the cost of the engine build parts, so that’s bolts, seals, gaskets etc etc etc has come to almost a grand, not cheap!! The cam belt kit was £220! Lol.. Anyways, at least I know that im starting off with a solid motor!!
A pic of the old bits (minus the water pump) Just shows how much has been replaced!
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More engine bits..
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New water pump..
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I also went for a new cam follower for the High pressure fuel pump, the last one was fine to be honest but for the money its worth having a brand new one in there..
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Engine build progress pics..
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And the build motor!! Wheyyyy!!..
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The OEM RS4 FSI injectors were sent off to ADS for testing. The results came back and the injectors were all within spec from Audi, but were cleaned anyway and are now 100% perfect, good to know really.. Its not cheap to test but certainly cheaper than building the engine again if there was a problem!
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The THS cooler is now mounted up to the crash structure, it looks and fits great.. Of course im running without the A/C rad but that fits with no problems also.. Its going to be interesting to see the results going from an OEM S3 cooler to the THS cooler, obviously the S3 cooler is pretty good as standard.. The THS cooler is rater to 600hp though, so it was worth having whilst all the car is apart!
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Some comparison shots of the S3 to THS cooler too, not sure anyone has these so good for those that are interested..
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Also the N2MB Wot Box arrived.. The installation instructions from N2MB are a bit ghetto, far too much solder and electrical tape involved if you ask me.. So were going to make sure that its installed to the same level that all of the rest car is being built to..
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The solid shift cable end bushings arrived from 42 Draft Designs, really nicely made.. They replace the stock cable end bushing and converts it to a solid bush. This should really tighten up the feel of the shift.. Every little helps..
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VWR Race engine mounts.. Im also running the solid lower mount, when I say solid I mean billet aluminum pressed into the subframe, so pretty harsh and not really recommended for road use.. I used the same mount on my ED30 and it was fantastic!
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And lastly is the Southbend Stage 5 Clutch/flywheel kit.. This kit is rated to 500+ft/lbs so should be man enough for the job for sure.. Lots of people out there are running this kit.. All of the seriously tuned 2.0T FSI cars out there are having zero problems at all.. Almost stock feel but once its out it grips like hell!
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Now for the really tasty stuff!!
The turbo kit should be with me tomorrow.. Phil and Justin from BSH have really pulled out all the stops to get things manufactured for me. The kit has had quite a few adjustments made to hopefully make it an easy fit for the S3. Remember, the kit was originally designed with a LHD 2WD 2.0T FSI in mind, im fitting it to a RHD 4WD car, so there is far less space and therefore a few things need to be changed! For sure there will be some work involved in fitting to the S3 even with the adjustments that have been made but how much im really not sure..
These are some pics that were sent over to me from BSH detailing the fitment of the manifold and wastegate and downpipe so we can get an idea of the orientation when its going to be on the S3..
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As you can see its really nice stuff.. I can't wait to take a closer look at the parts for myself!!
The BSH shop GTI complete with built engine and this same turbo spec and manifold just made 457WHP & 370WTQ on a fairly conservative 24psi tune. That converts to roughly 525HP & 425Ft/Lbs using a safe 15% calculation.. Thats a pretty good starting point to aim for my car, then we can see from there.. Im planning on running 30+ Psi, that 6 or more psi increase will make a HUGE difference to the figures for sure..
Of course there is a HUGE amount of speculation surrounding quoting figures from a dyno.. That’s the reason I didn’t make anything of the figures that my ED30 made when that was Dyno’d.. It was 350hp.. On the low side for sure, which im really not bothered about.. The car was WAY faster than any other GTI or FWD 2.0T FSI that it came up against, no matter what figures they happened to be ‘making’.. I think the important thing is that the car drives well.. Figures are interesting and give a good ballpark but there is no substitute for ACTUAL comparative performance side-by-side..
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The dashed line is actually the power and torque figures from the car running the stock intercooler compared to the solid coloured lines where the car is running with the new BSH cooler, a solid 20WHP and 35WTQ increase from that alone..
You notice the dips in power and torque around 4800rpm, this is due to the map on the car, something that BSH are working with there tuner to get around.. I don’t see any issue when mine is running with the proven Revo Stage 3 software..
That’s about it for now.. Hopefully I should be able to get some pics of the complete turbo kit up soon and then all being well the next update will be my first impressions of the car whilst im running it all in!!
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Wow Jonny you really dont mess about! :drinking:
Will you be bringing the s3 to Edition?
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Wow Jonny you really dont mess about! :drinking:
Will you be bringing the s3 to Edition?
I really hope so mate! That would be the first show that I could take it to really so thats the aim!! :happy2:
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Well i cirtainly have my fingers crossed, would love to see it.
Will it be on those orange rims? or do you have something else up your sleeve?
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WOW, coming along really nicely now...hope you have the rest of the parts soon...sound clip expected on completion :evilgrin:
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Well i cirtainly have my fingers crossed, would love to see it.
Will it be on those orange rims? or do you have something else up your sleeve?
There Red, but for sure a bright red.. lol.. Yeah think it'll be on them for now, I have some plans for wheels but im going to have to wait a little while!! :scared:
WOW, coming along really nicely now...hope you have the rest of the parts soon...sound clip expected on completion :evilgrin:
Oh yes, there will be plenty of video etc..
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Wow Jonny. Looks very nice. I hope you know a fantastic stainless steel welder in case the exhaust manifold needs to be altered at all. Would be a shame to have to butcher it, but do you think this is a possibility?
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Wow Jonny. Looks very nice. I hope you know a fantastic stainless steel welder in case the exhaust manifold needs to be altered at all. Would be a shame to have to butcher it, but do you think this is a possibility?
No way the manifold needs touching. The only difference from the FWD to 4WD at that end is the prop and haldex, that would only affect the downpipe and dump tube..
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Great update Jonny :happy2:
Can't wait to see this fly down the Pod :jumping:
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Wow Jonny. Looks very nice. I hope you know a fantastic stainless steel welder in case the exhaust manifold needs to be altered at all. Would be a shame to have to butcher it, but do you think this is a possibility?
No way the manifold needs touching. The only difference from the FWD to 4WD at that end is the prop and haldex, that would only affect the downpipe and dump tube..
Thats fantastic then. Wasnt sure what else in front of the bulkhead could have affected it if anything. Cant wait to see this put together.
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I really like you attention to detail with this project - done propperly, and with presission.
If i've missed it then sorry, but are you planning on running a hadlex controller ?
Can you give me detail on where to aquire these draft 42 solid shifter bushings please, it's be a nice addition to the 'feel' of my car ?
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fantastic progress. cant wait to see some vids :driver:
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I really like you attention to detail with this project - done propperly, and with presission.
If i've missed it then sorry, but are you planning on running a hadlex controller ?
Can you give me detail on where to aquire these draft 42 solid shifter bushings please, it's be a nice addition to the 'feel' of my car ?
Yeah ill be running a Gen II Haldex controller with switch..
Bushings can be found here..
http://www.42draftdesigns.com/categories/products/mk5bsh.html
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looks good mate,may i ask did they flow test the injectors? cc/min? What fuel pump will you be using?
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hey johnny i am on here purely to watch the build of your s3, i was at gti this year and must say ur ed30 was a bit of kit! :happy2:
i have to congratulate you what a build, my mate has the same shape running 330bhp and what a car, cant imagine 500/600bhp, i hope u get ur goal of ten seconds
best of luck :happy2:
scott
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Any updates :party:
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my mate had a 1042bhp norris designs evo 8 and that was running shy of the 9 second 1/4 mile, that had dog box and everything fitted ot it, he spent over £70,000 on it, so if your s3 gets in the 10's that some pretty good going
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my mate had a 1042bhp norris designs evo 8 and that was running shy of the 9 second 1/4 mile, that had dog box and everything fitted ot it, he spent over £70,000 on it, so if your s3 gets in the 10's that some pretty good going
To go from 10's to 9's on the 1/4 takes a serious amount of BHP and £..
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I really like you attention to detail with this project - done propperly, and with presission.
If i've missed it then sorry, but are you planning on running a hadlex controller ?
Can you give me detail on where to aquire these draft 42 solid shifter bushings please, it's be a nice addition to the 'feel' of my car ?
Yeah ill be running a Gen II Haldex controller with switch..
Bushings can be found here..
http://www.42draftdesigns.com/categories/products/mk5bsh.html
Did you order them direct from them ^^^? Having my side - side linkage fitted at the end of the month when the sasch clutch goes in, figure I may aswell fit these too to improve the feel & quality???
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looks good mate,may i ask did they flow test the injectors? cc/min? What fuel pump will you be using?
As I have said before I dont know the CC/Min rating on the RS4 injectors, just that they are fine for what im after.. Standard fuel pump, S3 runs a different LP fuel system to the GTI etc..
hey johnny i am on here purely to watch the build of your s3, i was at gti this year and must say ur ed30 was a bit of kit! :happy2:
i have to congratulate you what a build, my mate has the same shape running 330bhp and what a car, cant imagine 500/600bhp, i hope u get ur goal of ten seconds
best of luck :happy2:
scott
Thanks mate, its coming along nicely now! 500/600hp is going to be fun for sure, especially when the weight is out!
my mate had a 1042bhp norris designs evo 8 and that was running shy of the 9 second 1/4 mile, that had dog box and everything fitted ot it, he spent over £70,000 on it, so if your s3 gets in the 10's that some pretty good going
No offense mate but it helps if you can drive.. Plus, the difference between a low 10 / high 9 and a high 10 is massive!
my mate had a 1042bhp norris designs evo 8 and that was running shy of the 9 second 1/4 mile, that had dog box and everything fitted ot it, he spent over £70,000 on it, so if your s3 gets in the 10's that some pretty good going
To go from 10's to 9's on the 1/4 takes a serious amount of BHP and £..
:happy2:
I really like you attention to detail with this project - done propperly, and with presission.
If i've missed it then sorry, but are you planning on running a hadlex controller ?
Can you give me detail on where to aquire these draft 42 solid shifter bushings please, it's be a nice addition to the 'feel' of my car ?
Yeah ill be running a Gen II Haldex controller with switch..
Bushings can be found here..
http://www.42draftdesigns.com/categories/products/mk5bsh.html
Did you order them direct from them ^^^? Having my side - side linkage fitted at the end of the month when the sasch clutch goes in, figure I may aswell fit these too to improve the feel & quality???
Yup, just got in touch via email and had them shipped over..
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Update later tonight but a couple of taster pics for now..
3.5" anti-surge 60 trim compressor housing / 37 series compressor wheel / Tial 30R .63 V-band exhaust housing
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fo304%2Fjonnnny28%2FIMG_0053.jpg&hash=318851e8ef974f7faffd76e3a6153f4e760b76bd)
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Turbo & mani..
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Looks nice!
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hi mate , can i ask how much the clutch/fly wheel cost ? and i noticed no pcv fix fitted , why ?
:congrats:
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hi mate , can i ask how much the clutch/fly wheel cost ? and i noticed no pcv fix fitted , why ?
:congrats:
£1200..
Waiting for one from Forge, ill be running the one from the Golf whilst im waiting..
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Hi Jonny,
Regarding the manifold - from that angle it looks like it could obstruct the intake system?!?? :confused:
Is there space there to get it past?
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Hi Jonny,
Regarding the manifold - from that angle it looks like it could obstruct the intake system?!?? :confused:
Is there space there to get it past?
nah the turbo will hang quite a bit further down...the compressor housing needs to clear that (and it will) so the intake tube/hose shouldn't be a problem as its smaller!
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Hi Jonny,
Regarding the manifold - from that angle it looks like it could obstruct the intake system?!?? :confused:
Is there space there to get it past?
Loads of room, enough to have a 3.5" intake system, which is what im planning for in the future..
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Ok so all of the parts are FINALLY with me! And we have managed to get the car back on its wheels.. Its really nice to see it coming along so well! This really does feel like the final stretch now..
Ok so first of all a few more bits from the states arrived..
GT3076R turbo with anti-surge .60 AR compressor cover and Tial V-band SS .63 exhaust housing..
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fo304%2Fjonnnny28%2FIMG_0053.jpg&hash=318851e8ef974f7faffd76e3a6153f4e760b76bd)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fo304%2Fjonnnny28%2FIMG_0054.jpg&hash=fb2114086d2888cafb6eccd6f3bbff37eb4ae6d8)
The beauty of this turbo is that I can make only a few changes to it and it will be able to flow a huge amount more, that should get me to my goal of 600hp running moderate boost which is the aim..
Of course it would make sense to try some of the bits first time round but I need to start somewhere. We need to baseline the car and understand what can be improved on before we start improving if that makes sense!!
Rather nice looking turbo and manifold!!
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fo304%2Fjonnnny28%2FIMG_0049.jpg&hash=1c1f79d05120ed96169efc51c42be1604777c5db)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fo304%2Fjonnnny28%2FIMG_0048.jpg&hash=731aee692f57fb11f35eb9dab08d1cac115bf1d3)
Tial 38m MVS wastegate and dump tube
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fo304%2Fjonnnny28%2FIMG_0051.jpg&hash=90a40c218867dc3518084a1a2233feb0699815c3)
Southbend Stage 5 Clutch
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fo304%2Fjonnnny28%2FIMG_0052.jpg&hash=5360b01f113428361c85b7306c4f131e2d0170e1)
And flywheel fitted to the motor
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fo304%2Fjonnnny28%2FIMG_0055.jpg&hash=9f8bfac283cf72bc6772b8b24de616578d031d38)
Injectors back from ADS all cleaned up
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fo304%2Fjonnnny28%2F26082009323.jpg&hash=ba88e3aaf8e937ea0e9992dbd278bde8fe3eecd1)
Nice cleaned up throttle body, this was full of oil..
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fo304%2Fjonnnny28%2F26082009326.jpg&hash=9715258ec5420da8027ed21fedb48da4484ca635)
Crash bar lightening! Work in progress..
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fo304%2Fjonnnny28%2F26082009332.jpg&hash=e226fbf2b6a66927195a7184860db7bac27a2091)
A/C compressor removed and the A/C compressor / Alternator bracket cut down, saved 1.2KG on the bracket alone! Compressor is a further 8kg! Add in all of the pipe work, radiator and gubbins and it comes close to 20kg saved from the full A/C removal..
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fo304%2Fjonnnny28%2F26082009320.jpg&hash=568a15027960dd203f453f86310d2a42a016d40a)
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So now it was time to clean out the engine bay and get the car back on its wheels!
Engine bay before..
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And after..
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Also a big thanks to Matt at VWR for supplying me with a set of helpers for the dampers, with the short motorsport springs it was becoming a problem..
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fo304%2Fjonnnny28%2F26082009324.jpg&hash=05e3989203217e1390a4dbd574dd027938ae8c63)
Dampers before.. (problem is pretty easy to spot here)
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Top mounts, quite a bit of corrosion on these but all cleaned up now!
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fo304%2Fjonnnny28%2F26082009328.jpg&hash=c97628e91799f417989f2015f666f6e82938f60b)
And all built back up!
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fo304%2Fjonnnny28%2F26082009329.jpg&hash=6e1ce7b002581c7ed878eea2e4ea5773cc94f25a)
Starting to look like a car again now!!
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Pretty low!! Haha..
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Unfortunately whilst that work has been on going we have discovered another lot of bodge work, not naming any names but its hardly good..
Connector glued onto the MAF after the clip being broken, nice! 8 broken connecters found in total, pure lazyness!
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fo304%2Fjonnnny28%2F26082009322.jpg&hash=90efd6fbac298b9607936742a36daeb9d883a90f)
Oil return line from the turbo badly kinked..
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fo304%2Fjonnnny28%2F26082009331.jpg&hash=ffe6ec7867f6c2bb00d2133632929cea35098c67)
Anyways im kind of glad to be honest, no I know its all going to be perfect! So I don’t need to worry about all those little bits!
Im heading down to see the car later on today and the guys are planning on test fitting the engine complete with clutch/flywheel, gearbox, transfer box, turbo, manifold & lines etc into the bay to check for clearance on the downpipe and dump tube..
For sure there will be some work required to make it fit but its all looking good!!
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Looks brilliant mate, i want :drool:
When i first read this post and saw the problems you'd discovered i knew that in the end you would feel better knowing that you'd gone over everything and done it properly anyway...
The guy who had it must have been a tool :rolleye:
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Some very nice hardware there mate.
That MAF looks a bit dirty too Jonny - New one going in?
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Some very nice hardware there mate.
That MAF looks a bit dirty too Jonny - New one going in?
Yup.. There isn't much that has been re used!! lol..
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I bet the local parts dealer are rubbing their hands when you come rolling by :happy2:
As a side note I popped into my local TPS this afternoon to pick up a few bits and happened to notice on the wall board/discuss with the parts guy their monthly revenue target - It's a whopping £13k per month VAT Exclusive.
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I bet the local parts dealer are rubbing their hands when you come rolling by :happy2:
As a side note I popped into my local TPS this afternoon to pick up a few bits and happened to notice on the wall board/discuss with the parts guy their monthly revenue target - It's a whopping £13k per month VAT Exclusive.
Teesside TPS has met there target this month I bet then! ha..
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Looking great, I am looking forward to seeing the final results, might even pop up to the pod to see it in action for its maiden voyage :congrats:
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Looking great, I am looking forward to seeing the final results, might even pop up to the pod to see it in action for its maiden voyage :congrats:
+1
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looking good , can i ask a ittle more about how the turbo will flow more with small changes?
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jonny when you planning to sell this thing ?????? :laugh: :laugh: so i can start saving !!!!!!!! :happy2:
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looking good , can i ask a ittle more about how the turbo will flow more with small changes?
Exhaust housings, billet compressor wheels etc etc..
jonny when you planning to sell this thing ?????? :laugh: :laugh: so i can start saving !!!!!!!! :happy2:
If its worth while me selling it then I probably would..
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Some more progress..
So I went to check out the car earlier. The turbo and manifold and on the engine along with the clutch/flywheel and gearbox and transfer box..
Clearance from the exhaust housing of the turbo to the transfer box is pretty small, only about 12-15mm so were having to protect the transfer box.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fo304%2Fjonnnny28%2Fphoto-1.jpg&hash=cc8978a9ff46cbbad9f165d3b1ef1a053ae58891)
To get around the problem I decided to use the new product from Zircotec, a flexible ceramic matting which is way more effective than the other metallic heat barriers.. Not cheap but it works unbelievably well and is only 0.25mm thick!
The whole of the transfer box facing the turbo will be wrapped along with the intake pipe which will sit above the manifold and finally the gear linkage cables and other small parts that could be damaged with heat..
The plan for the near future is to have the manifold, dump tube, exhaust housing and downpipe all ceramic coated, this will not only help to control the heat build up around the turbo but will retain heat inside the turbo and exhaust which should really help response..
When that’s all happening the turbo will be upgraded by Owen Developments to full WRC spec to cope with the extra heat.. And to gain some performance over the standard Garrett unit, there is lots that can be done!
Anyways some more pics of the turbo and manifold on the engine..
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fo304%2Fjonnnny28%2FIMG_0062.jpg&hash=ee5339871db17b419163a292c3e96bec531b0e67)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fo304%2Fjonnnny28%2FIMG_0058.jpg&hash=33095872717d5ace1c12263bc2506b88c8ad0555) (https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fo304%2Fjonnnny28%2FIMG_0059.jpg&hash=b5a2d5ecabbca5e03c0b2837fe851fb5910b5b14)
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Ready for the engine!
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fo304%2Fjonnnny28%2FIMG_0063.jpg&hash=eeae508b3b1c8b9862aa3e47051a4ff139730902)
Almost there lol..
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And finally in the car for its first test fitment!
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Good bit of news is that the turbo intake pipe fits with the brake master cylinder, something that all of the LHD turbo kits have needed work to achieve when fitted to a RHD car. Luckily we made lots of measurements to get around this problem and BSH have supplied the pipe and it fits! ONLY just but its going to be ok..
The only problem really is the downpipe, because of the prop on the S3 there is very little room and so the downpipe will need a fair bit of work, that’s the job for tomorrow!!
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Hi Jonny,
With so much power going through the drive shaft, have you thought whether or not to upgrade it. The main reason I'm asking is that Andy's MK4 R32 with the twin scroll turbo upgrade went through one of the stock drive shafts with less than 600bhp. Yes, I know the MK4 is different to the MKV and S3, but it may be worth considering. :happy2:
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Jonny, the exit from the wastegate got to go into the d/p too ? Extra tight in there !
Chris.
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Hi Jonny,
With so much power going through the drive shaft, have you thought whether or not to upgrade it. The main reason I'm asking is that Andy's MK4 R32 with the twin scroll turbo upgrade went through one of the stock drive shafts with less than 600bhp. Yes, I know the MK4 is different to the MKV and S3, but it may be worth considering. :happy2:
Power doesn't really have the bearing on things breaking anywhere near as much as torque, and more importantly the way that torque is applied on a turbo car.. I dont know if this was really taken into consideration when mapping Andys R32 as its so aggressive, fast yes, but its proof that it keeps on over and over again breaking parts..
Mine will be mapped how I want it, and I would far rather have a slightly slower car that holds together for more than a week at a time than a torque monster.
Jonny, the exit from the wastegate got to go into the d/p too ? Extra tight in there !
Chris.
Nope, its having a screamer which will exit the other side of the prop.. There is room to route it back in if we decide to go that route..
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Just got this from BSH..
This is the BSH shop GTI running the same kit thats on mine.. Screamer sounds crazy!
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Sounds mental, make sure im around when your planting the go faster foot through a tunnel :drool:
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Sounds like my APR RSC exhaust system....wondering whether he's running that?
Awesome bit of kit...who's mapping your's Johnny?
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Sounds like my APR RSC exhaust system....wondering whether he's running that?
Awesome bit of kit...who's mapping your's Johnny?
Its an external wastegate set up with a dump tube, thats the noise
If you read the thread then you will see that Revo are mapping it
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Anymore updates today jonny?
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Anymore updates today jonny?
Maybe have some more pics later but probs get some up tomorrow night now..
As far as I know the engine with all the bits is in the car to stay now, downpipe is being built and once thats done its basically just a case of bolting it all back together..
Its going to be early next week before its done now which means unfortunately I wont be at ED38 with the car :confused:
Jonny
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Will you be ready for AUdi Driver International @ Castle Combe, Jonny.
Be good to see it on the track as well. :driver:
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Will you be ready for AUdi Driver International @ Castle Combe, Jonny.
Be good to see it on the track as well. :driver:
The car will be ready but im away unfortunately so wont be able to make it..
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The car will be ready but im away unfortunately so wont be able to make it..
:sad1:
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Will you be ready for AUdi Driver International @ Castle Combe, Jonny.
Be good to see it on the track as well. :driver:
The car will be ready but im away unfortunately so wont be able to make it..
+ I very much doubt it will be aloud on the track like last time eh Jonny.. :signLOL:
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Will you be ready for AUdi Driver International @ Castle Combe, Jonny.
Be good to see it on the track as well. :driver:
The car will be ready but im away unfortunately so wont be able to make it..
+ I very much doubt it will be aloud on the track like last time eh Jonny.. :signLOL:
It was 114db last time.. With screamer open I can't even imagine how loud it would be, getting on for 125-127 I think! Its not really going to get driven on the track to be honest.. Dont have any interest in driving my own road cars round circuits..
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A pair of these will be in order there i think
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A pair of these will be in order there i think
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Just bought the exact pair for inside..
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Hi Jonny!
Nice to see you back in the Four Ring stable :happy2:
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Thisis gonna be mad! Can't wait to see it finished!
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Can't wait to see it finished!
Your telling me!! :grin:
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Hey all..
So again some more progress has been made..
The clearance between the exhaust housing of the turbo and the transfer box was very small, around 12mm and as little as 8mm in certain places so I decided to use the new Zircoflex material from Zircotec to shield off all of the transfer box, any anything that would be subject to heat from either the turbo or manifold..
Some pics..
£100 worth.. humm, hope its good!
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Transfer box covered with 3 layers..
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All of the lines from the turbo have also been wrapped in the ceramic matting, which will protect them from the heat..
Next thing that needed to be worked on is the downpipe, this is not yet finished but some pics of the mocked up downpipe.. Features full 3†Tial V-band connector and high flow flexi.. Will have some better pics of this tomorrow all wrapped in exhaust wrap..
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The downpipe required lots of work, obviously the kit is designed for the downpipe to run centrally down the tunnel, exactly where the prop sits on my car, so we had to go round and under the shift cables and down the left hand side of the prop with the downpipe..
The dump tube will exit down the other side of the prop..
Whilst everything was out we took the opertunity to strengthen the rather flimsy looking support bracket for the transfer box, all helps..
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fo304%2Fjonnnny28%2FIMG_0031.jpg&hash=339c0a3b09f650b3f0701ec2e67068fd084fe1bd)
A pic of the fully mocked up turbo (complete with intake pipe) manifold, wastegate and dump tube
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fo304%2Fjonnnny28%2FIMG_0014.jpg&hash=f89bfdec7a3682707edfdd1f2b9cea753b92e09a)
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This pic shows just how close everything is..
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And some nicely routed lines, all tucked away as much as possible whilst retaining a good flow..
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Looks so good!!
Also had a call from Recaro today to say that my seats are finally here! Only taken 12 weeks!! Just in time though I guess, they will be in the car tomorrow, and im going to take the opportunity to remove lots of interior weight whilst im at it, ill be able to see just how much I have saved from that too!
What else needs doing?..
Downpipe needs finishing off, and wrapping
Dump tube needs some adjustment, and wrapping
Bottom boost pipe needs some work to clear the transfer box and drive system at the front, obviously quite different to the GTI!
All the front end putting back together
Fluids in and then its ready for firing up! We’ll have to see, but im thinking tomorrow we may have a video of it taking its first breath!!
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Can't wait Johnny - this is progressing well - it's a great feeling when it is at the point of all coming together and be ready to get turned over for the first time. Am sure Phil is just as excited as you, it's a big step for BSH and I'm really looking forward at seeing the results.
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looking suitably insane jonny, nothing less than id expect! ;)
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Jonny, with the turbo and the transfer box being sooo close together. I take it you have allowed for any possible expansion when everything gets rather warm?
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Jonny, with the turbo and the transfer box being sooo close together. I take it you have allowed for any possible expansion when everything gets rather warm?
That really is my only worry, I have no idea how much the manifold will grow when its hot, and in what direction, need to get it hot then have a look, thats about the only way we can do it..
If its a problem then it will require the manifold being reworked to raise up the position of the turbo, but then it would mean downpipe and dump tube would need to be re made also.. I really hope it doesn't come to that!
fingers crossed I suppose! :scared:
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On the braided lines in the last pic, have you used Nylon Ty-wraps? Might be a bit warm for them in that area?
But good luck with the first running tomorrow.
:smiley:
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On the braided lines in the last pic, have you used Nylon Ty-wraps? Might be a bit warm for them in that area?
But good luck with the first running tomorrow.
:smiley:
Thats only mocked up with cable ties, there is a bracket there now..
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On the braided lines in the last pic, have you used Nylon Ty-wraps? Might be a bit warm for them in that area?
But good luck with the first running tomorrow.
:smiley:
Thats only mocked up with cable ties, there is a bracket there now..
Good man!
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Wonder how this will stack up against the 500hp tt-rs once its done.
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Wonder how this will stack up against the 500hp tt-rs once its done.
Theres a 500hp TT-RS?
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Wonder how this will stack up against the 500hp tt-rs once its done.
Theres a 500hp TT-RS?
Revo mapped one perhaps lol.
anyone know what turbo the TT-RS uses, and its potential?
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Wonder how this will stack up against the 500hp tt-rs once its done.
Theres a 500hp TT-RS?
Revo mapped one perhaps lol.
anyone know what turbo the TT-RS uses, and its potential?
Mapped TT-RS goes to just under 400hp, I think 430 would be achievable on stock turbo with exhaust / intake etc.. The turbo is a K24 varient..
And in answer to your question, what do you think a car with 100hp more & weighing a few hundred kilos less would do to an imaginary 500hp TT-RS? :laugh:
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kick its butt????
:signLOL:
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Wonder how this will stack up against the 500hp tt-rs once its done.
Theres a 500hp TT-RS?
Revo mapped one perhaps lol.
anyone know what turbo the TT-RS uses, and its potential?
tt-rs uses a modified version of the turbo as fitted to the latest audi rs6.
And in answer to your question, what do you think a car with 100hp more & weighing a few hundred kilos less would do to an imaginary 500hp TT-RS?
Imaginery? MTM tuned TT-RS is real.
All depends. On paper figures dont always tell the full story. 1200kgs is a tough target to meet.
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for real?? got any links?
Is it not just a rumour / target that they want to achieve 500bhp? doesn't mean they've actually done it yet.
Besides...it can easily be done if they're changing hardware and not just software.
JC's will still be a lot cheaper and better VFM! :driver:
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Wonder how this will stack up against the 500hp tt-rs once its done.
Theres a 500hp TT-RS?
Revo mapped one perhaps lol.
anyone know what turbo the TT-RS uses, and its potential?
tt-rs uses a modified version of the turbo as fitted to the latest audi rs6.
And in answer to your question, what do you think a car with 100hp more & weighing a few hundred kilos less would do to an imaginary 500hp TT-RS?
Imaginery? MTM tuned TT-RS is real.
All depends. On paper figures dont always tell the full story.
So did you ask that question purely in an attempt to say the MTM TT-RS will be faster than mine? If so great, when you sell your Leon and save up for one then your more than welcome to come and try :smiley:
I dont get why your so funny with me, you were the same on SCN with the Forge Twintake etc..??
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Wonder how this will stack up against the 500hp tt-rs once its done.
Theres a 500hp TT-RS?
Revo mapped one perhaps lol.
anyone know what turbo the TT-RS uses, and its potential?
tt-rs uses a modified version of the turbo as fitted to the latest audi rs6.
And in answer to your question, what do you think a car with 100hp more & weighing a few hundred kilos less would do to an imaginary 500hp TT-RS?
Imaginery? MTM tuned TT-RS is real.
All depends. On paper figures dont always tell the full story.
So did you ask that question purely in an attempt to say the MTM TT-RS will be faster than mine? If so great, when you sell your Leon and save up for one then your more than welcome to come and try :smiley:
I dont get why your so funny with me, you were the same on SCN with the Forge Twintake etc..??
Not being funny, im just really intrigued to see how the 2.0tsi and 2.5 tsi compare to each other in modified format.
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Me again!
Things are moving forward very quickly now, the downpipe and dump tube fabrication is now complete, both have been wrapped up in high quality exhaust wrap and are installed on the car..
The downpipe had 3 layers of wrap on the bend out of the turbo as this will be the hottest part of the whole exhaust system..
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And both on the car.. (dump tube looks nasty!!)
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This picture gives a little better view of the dump tube. You can see its also supported on a small removable tag to the downpipe support bracket, this should prevent the dump tube rattling around and risking damage to the wastegate port on the manifold..
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Andy & Andy have managed to work the downpipe around the standard shift cable support bracket, something that I have very keen for them to do as the geometry of the shift cables is very important to keeping the linkage smooth and fast..
Still looking a bit messy as there are things not connected up and it was dark at this point but you get the idea..
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The shift cables have also have a layer of the ceramic matting for protection against the heat of the downpipe..
So most of the wiring and ancillary pipe work has been fitted which leaves the lower boost pipe, that needs re fabricating as its no where near what we need, with the 4WD system, it needs to take a completely different route to what the boost pipe would on the GTI.
Once that’s done then its just going to be a case of connecting up the drive shaft and that’s all the under car stuff done!
Seats arrived too! I checked that the base frames were all there, didn’t want the same problem as last time with the ED30! Anyways all looks good and these will be going in tomorrow now, didn’t have a chance today with the car still being on the ramp!
Base frame kit..
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One of the seats, went for the same black simulated leather and black dynamica finish!.. Should work well with the interior that I have planned for the car..
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Aluminium side mounts.. I removed the big Recaro decal from these so there not quite so in your face.. Funny that on the picture you can still see a ghost, something that your eye doesn’t pick up on at all.. Spoooooky! Ha..
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Im considering having them powdercoated in a textured matt black finish but can’t decide..
So that’s about it for now really, painfully close now, we’ll see where it gets to tomorrow!
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i think matt black would look better IMO.
shes coming along nicely now. how long do you have to run her in for?
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i think matt black would look better IMO.
shes coming along nicely now. how long do you have to run her in for?
Yeah thats what im thinking, the interior look will be pretty stealthy.. Planning on having the headrests of the seats re done without the Recaro, and then mostly black with some detailing..
Ill get them done when I do the interior, ill do all that in one go..
500 miles, so about 8 hours driving tomorrow night ha.. Well, thats if its ready..
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id do the same, drive it off in one go, id be too impatient to wait lol. it'll also be hard not to give it the beans to early on i bet as well
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id do the same, drive it off in one go, id be too impatient to wait lol. it'll also be hard not to give it the beans to early on i bet as well
The thought of paying for another rebuild will keep my right foot under control dont worry ha..
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coming along nicely johny, it has all been done rather quick, make sure you get some video's up once it done, you seriously have to much £££££££ :happy2: , i hope that manifold will withstand all the heat going through it as i have seen a heck of a lot of manifolds cracking, you not thought about getting it ceramic coated like this one on the 1.8t, im awaiting the next project now, lol
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coming along nicely johny, it has all been done rather quick, make sure you get some video's up once it done, you seriously have to much £££££££ :happy2: , im awaiting the next project now, lol
This S3 will be staying with me for a long time now (how many times have I said that before) Short of an offer I can refuse on it anyways..
Course Ill get a load of vids.. I was hoping for a start up vid today but I dont know, maybes tomorrow!?
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daily runne as well :confused:
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you not thought about getting it ceramic coated like this one on the 1.8t
Yep, mentioned it quite a few times.. Once the turbo comes off for the upgrade then the manifold, exhaust housing, downpipe and dump tube will all be going to Zircotec for the ceramic coating..
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Big respect Jonny, I enjoy following your build threads :happy2:
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Big respect Jonny, I enjoy following your build threads :happy2:
Cheers mate.. :happy2:
Update..
Took a trip over to the garage today to see the car and its all looking good..
Screamer pipe tag is now bolted up, looks really nice and solid but should be very quick to remove if required..
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Just another pic of the exhaust, There has been some adjustments made to the cat back section of the exhaust so that it sits nice and high in the tunnel, im planning on running the car pretty low so I don’t want to be having issues with ground clearance.. Also you can see a good portion of the exhaust has been wrapped.. It all helps!
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Really happy with the fabrication work that ACR have done on this build!
Hers a nice pic of the turbo complete with the boost pipe bend, intake pipe and all of the lines and heat proofing fitted.. Big old thing!!
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Then it was time to mock up the lower boost pipe. The pipe provided in the kit was nothing like what we needed, with the S3 having so little room in that area because of the 4WD system Andy has had to fabricate it from scratch basically..
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There will be a support bracket made up for the lower pipe to support it from the stock location off the side of the sump and all of the pipes will be swaged and powdercoated before fitting..
Also the brakes, they need fitting.. Heres some nice pics of the kit..
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It’s the same kit that I ran on my ED30, there fantastic brakes and way above the level of the competition, nothing else would have been up to the job in my eyes..
Its very important to me that every area is looked at. There is still a huge amount of things that I want to do to the car but this first spec that the car will be running is pretty comprehensive and will mean that its all within limits..
After looking again at the car, I have decided that the wheels are going to be treated to a new finish. Im going with a textured matt black powdercoat, should be a little different to the normal black wheel which is what im after as the white / black look is so played out now.. Oh well, it’ll do for now until I get the wheels that im really after..
The red was fun for one weekend on the Golf at GTI International but not the look that im after with the S3..
Heres an example of the finish that the wheels will have..
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Not a highly textured finish like some, I was after something a lot more subtle..
So really there’s not much left to do now! The boost pipe will be done and on to stay tomorrow and then it’s a case of pluming in the N75, spanner checking the whole car then it should be ready for its first start!
Unfortunately im away over the weekend but come Monday im hoping that ill be able to get some first ‘running in’ impressions of the car!
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Coming together nicely . Do n75's work well with external gates?
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Coming together nicely . Do n75's work well with external gates?
Yeah, great control.. Over about 1.8 bar it would be better to go to a manual controller but thats down the line at the mo.. 1.8 will be enough to play with at the moment I think..
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Should be good fun, not going to tell you how to suck eggs but keep a eye on fuel pressure and i'm sure you will run out of injector well before 1.8bar.
Remind me what is your intercooler set-up?
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speachless!! :surprised:
Make sure you let us know when its going to the POD, il happly go against you!! LMAO :grin: :laugh:
How much will this have cost all in? understand if you dont want to say :smiley:
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Should be good fun, not going to tell you how to suck eggs but keep a eye on fuel pressure and i'm sure you will run out of injector well before 1.8bar.
Remind me what is your intercooler set-up?
Building up to 1.8 bar will be an incremental process throughout the day when were mapping the car.. Were going to creep up on it and aim for a nice power and torque curve rather than flat out peak figures. Thats good for making numbers but as you know not the fastest way..
Its a THS bar and plate cooler.. Plenty of pics of it through the build :smiley: Really nice piece of kit!
speachless!! :surprised:
Make sure you let us know when its going to the POD, il happly go against you!! LMAO :grin: :laugh:
How much will this have cost all in? understand if you dont want to say :smiley:
Ha, up for that yeah :happy2:
Hmmm.. Well, its a bit of a tough one as I already had a lot of bits from the ED30 that have been transfered over. If you were to have a boggo standard S3 and built it to the exact copy of my car with new parts then its going to be the best part of £20k give or take..
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that doesnt sound too bad! so get a second hand S3 for 20k, then 20k of mods and you have a lambo killer for 40k, :love:
best start saving!! :party: :driver:
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Is it being mapped on the rollers or on the road? Still using a rescaled maf?
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Is it being mapped on the rollers or on the road? Still using a rescaled maf?
On the road, you never get the correct loadings on the Rollers.. How do you me rescaled MAF? Its running the stock 70mm MAF housing..
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The maf will have a certain limit of load/airflow normally on a 0-5v sensor when it reaches the upper limit it saturates the sensor. Revo will rescale it so that it has a higher load/air flow capacity ,i guess all part of there BT software.
Road mapping :happy2:
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The maf will have a certain limit of load/airflow normally on a 0-5v sensor when it reaches the upper limit it saturates the sensor. Revo will rescale it so that it has a higher load/air flow capacity ,i guess all part of there BT software.
Road mapping :happy2:
Oh sorry, yeah.. I thought you meant running a larger than standard MAF housing and re calibrating the MAF etc..
:happy2:
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wow this really is an impressive build. its a real credit to you. i bet your getting really excited for the first drive :rolleye:
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Simple awesome Jonny! I cant wait to see it all finished! :happy2: :pomppomp:
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Hi Jonny, quick question for you. Are you going to be using the windows interface with your WOT-BOX to make adjustments?
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All the best for Silverstone this weekend Jonny!
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Its aliveeeee!!!!!
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This is the first start, pretty impressive how quickly it fires hey! All seems perfect, was struggling to hold an idle due to the DV not being routed back into the intake, so the MAF readings will have been all over the place..
Few bits and bobs to do now..
* Tidy up a couple of bits in the engine bay
* Fit PCV system
* Finish intake and DV pipe work
* Fit brakes
* Set suspension up
* Fit seats and sort out the interior
* Go for the first drive and take some logs!!
That should all be done around lunch time so then I can get some miles onto it!
Sounds absolutely amazing!! You can tell its been played with put it that way!!
Ill get a proper update up tomorrow with the finished build pics and some first impressions!!
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Awesome!!!
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How was the weekends work btw?
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Loving the pops and bangs! :party:
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How was the weekends work btw?
P6 quali, up to P2 in the first 30 mins then a puncture.. But fastest GT2 car most of the time we were out.. Then 2 hours from the end a gearbox failure.. Oh well.. Without the puncture I think I could have caught and passed for the lead which would have been nice.. Dont have much luck with that car! ha..
You can sign up for RSS updates from the website so you get the press releases etc if you want..
www.draysonracing.com :happy2:
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Fair does, I like to hear it from the horses mouth tho, much more direct and to the point;)
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Fair does, I like to hear it from the horses mouth tho, much more direct and to the point;)
Ha, guess so yeah :smiley: It was great to be fast but again another failure.. We have our new car out for the rest of the season now though, quite nice :wink:
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Nice one mate,when does the mapping start!
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Is that the car to take on the big boys in LM?
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Nice one mate,when does the mapping start!
Well the base file was put on today, very low boost, no timing advance and running pretty rich.. Just to run in, then we will explore on that once the initial break in is done..
Im very busy for the next 4 weeks so nothing much will happen then but come first week in October ill be going down to Revo for a couple of days and we will sort it out and get a file done specifically for my car..
Can't stress enough how much that video does the sound no justice what so ever! I was shocked how nice it sounds! :smiley:
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Is that the car to take on the big boys in LM?
Yup.. A few pics here from the weekend for those that are interested.. (the P1 car was in the garage all weekend)
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After the first drive it did make me wander why the hell im bothering trying to make the S3 fast lol..
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awesome pics :happy2: and great to hear it running
out of interest what your 'method' of running in ?
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awesome pics :happy2: and great to hear it running
out of interest what your 'method' of running in ?
Cheapo oil, 30 miles. New oil and filter, run in on no boost, 500 miles varied engine speeds, long runs no full throttle or big load requests. New oil and filter then thrash it! :wink:
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I'll check back in October, let me know when the pod meet is happening.
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awesome pics :happy2: and great to hear it running
out of interest what your 'method' of running in ?
Cheapo oil, 30 miles. New oil and filter, run in on no boost, 500 miles varied engine speeds, long runs no full throttle or big load requests. New oil and filter then thrash it! :wink:
Hehehe, and knowing how keen you are to get this all bedded in that will be 500 miles in one stint behind the wheel :happy2:
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awesome pics :happy2: and great to hear it running
out of interest what your 'method' of running in ?
Cheapo oil, 30 miles. New oil and filter, run in on no boost, 500 miles varied engine speeds, long runs no full throttle or big load requests. New oil and filter then thrash it! :wink:
Hehehe, and knowing how keen you are to get this all bedded in that will be 500 miles in one stint behind the wheel :happy2:
Tomorrow night it should be done yeah haha..
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Shot gun!
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Is that the car to take on the big boys in LM?
Yup.. A few pics here from the weekend for those that are interested.. (the P1 car was in the garage all weekend)
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After the first drive it did make me wander why the hell im bothering trying to make the S3 fast lol..
Will you be driving that next season?
Good to see that you still like hot hatches after racing that type of car :happy2:
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thats sounds very tasty indeed!!!! and as for your race car :drool: :drool:
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Loving those race cars Jonny :happy2: :drool: Glad to see the s3 living :party:
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Race cars look amazing, am sure the audi will be quicker up the 1/4 tho! :grin: Any chance you will be joining F1 along with Prodrive/Aston somtime soon?
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WOW :congrats:
Thats a serious car!
Ash.
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Is that the car to take on the big boys in LM?
Yup.. A few pics here from the weekend for those that are interested.. (the P1 car was in the garage all weekend)
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After the first drive it did make me wander why the hell im bothering trying to make the S3 fast lol..
Great pics Johnny
BTW how did you get into racing at 14yrs old?
Did you start in KARTING?
I would like to get my lad into Msport but where's best to start. I assume even Karting is a major expense. I assume you need some serious wedge behind you to get into the sport as I know from saloon cars.
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BTW how did you get into racing at 14yrs old?
Did you start in KARTING?
I would like to get my lad into Msport but where's best to start. I assume even Karting is a major expense. I assume you need some serious wedge behind you to get into the sport as I know from saloon cars.
I started in a series called T-Cars, then went from there, raced Porsches and more recently Aston Martin GT cars.. No karting for me, certainly a good way to get started but I started very late, remember most start at 6 years old..
It does require some investment, but so long as you treat is at that then its good.. I have been fortunate enough to be driving professionally for the last 4 years now..
Anyways hope that helps..
Back to the S3..
So! The car is now home, been driving around today a little bit, got the first 5 miles or so on the motor then swapped out the coolant and oil, all seemed ok..
Done a further 50 miles now and it all seems great! The engine is very strong, you can feel it working from almost no revs and when you approach 3k it feels like it wants to leap out the front of the car!
The sound this thing makes is amazing, consider that I have only been upto 4k revs on about 15% throttle so really this is only a taster of how its going to be. Basically, it sounds f*cking amazing!
Got a load more miles to do now, going to drop the oil and coolant again tomorrow then we will start to dial some more boost into it and have a feel.. Should be enough to let me have a little play tomorrow anyways!
Some pics of the engine bay.. (note that this is no where near complete, lots of bits need powdercoating, and generally neatening up but you get the idea as to how it all looks..
Lower boost pipe now complete..
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Almost done..
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And with the fabricated DV recirc pipe and intake on (All of these bits will be crackle black powdercoat and nicely finished with heat reflecting material)
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Next thing to do was to get the seats in and attack some of the first bits of weight saving!
Heres some pics of the progress throughout the day..
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Rear battery box, no need for this and 3kg saved..
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Each OEM front seat is 28kg / Recaro is 11kg so 34kg in total saved
Rear bench seats are 42kg
Battery box is 3kg
And a big pile of bits..
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That is a very first touch on the weight saving but gives an idea how much there is to come out of these cars!
So! Im off to have a drive now, see how much I can get on tonight!
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Well you certainly dont play games jonny...car sounds good from the vid, cant even imagine how good it will sound in front of me :drool:
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so how is she now after your night of driving??? :drool: :drool:
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After the first drive it did make me wander why the hell im bothering trying to make the S3 fast lol..
....Because it's in your blood, mate. You have lots of time away from the race cars and need to satisfy that part of you.
Btw, I'm loving that textured matt finish on the wheels - It's very 'metal' if you know what I'm trying to say - Funky.
But I bet I know which wheels you'd really like, I know I would! : -
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Your S3 is sounding very racey from that clip.
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so how is she now after your night of driving??? :drool: :drool:
Crazy, got another 200 miles on it and all seems perfect.. What really surprises me is how easy the car drives, there is loads of grunt low down (only on very light throttle at the min too obviously) which with the lower compression I really wasn't expecting, just shows how efficient the manifold and head work etc have made the engine work..
All of the sounds it makes are very cool, just sounds mega tuned.. Like a big turbo Evo, pretty raspy, not really a turbo exhaust note at all..
The dump opened up once and oh my god, that thing is SO loud, just insane..
The plan is to get some more on today then drop the oil and coolant once again and check the whole car over then new oil / filter and coolant and increase the boost and timing settings then go for another logging session.. Al being well I should be able to have a little play tonight..
....Because it's in your blood, mate. You have lots of time away from the race cars and need to satisfy that part of you.
Btw, I'm loving that textured matt finish on the wheels - It's very 'metal' if you know what I'm trying to say - Funky.
But I bet I know which wheels you'd really like, I know I would! : -
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Your S3 is sounding very racey from that clip.
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Ha, guess so! I do love it for sure..
Yeah it looks great.. I love those Dymags!! :smiley:
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exciting stuff mate. be sure to get some vids up :drool:
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exciting stuff mate. be sure to get some vids up :drool:
Ill try..
Today we have dropped the oil again and turned the boost up to 1.5 bar.. I can honestly say that its pretty stupidly fast, turbo comes in very early but really pulls hard again at 5500.. Only revved it to 6750 upto now but seriously, its crazy fast!
3rd gear in the dry, lit the wheels up.. And I mean lit them up, its insane!!
Oh and to put the sound into perspective, with the windows down in 2nd gear, you can't go flat out, its just too much to handle!!!
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Ill try..
Today we have dropped the oil again and turned the boost up to 1.5 bar.. I can honestly say that its pretty stupidly fast, turbo comes in very early but really pulls hard again at 5500.. Only revved it to 6750 upto now but seriously, its crazy fast!
3rd gear in the dry, lit the wheels up.. And I mean lit them up, its insane!!
Oh and to put the sound into perspective, with the windows down in 2nd gear, you can't go flat out, its just too much to handle!!!
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Mate that sounds awesome! When are getting all the mapping dialed?
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Mate that sounds awesome! When are getting all the mapping dialed?
About 3 or 4 weeks time, at the minute im not thinking it needs to be any faster so im in two minds as to what to do.. Seriously, I can't stress just how rapid it is!!
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So shes a screamer then? I like a screamer lol. :signLOL:
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Even for effeciency, a map would be needed right?
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:laugh: Thought you were a racing driver, 1.5bar on a 76 isn't that fast! How's the fueling?
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Ryan you've been devils advocate on this thread all the bloody time
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Calm down , just having a bit of fun with jonny don't take it so seriously!
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Good it just sounds like your a bit green all the time! Ha
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Green! :signLOL:
I find it interesting as it's not something that the vag crowd often do correctly. Anyway i'll leave posting until jonny gets it mapped properly.
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Green! :signLOL:
I find it interesting as it's not something that the vag crowd often do correctly. Anyway i'll leave posting until jonny gets it mapped properly.
Send us some links to your stuff please ryan :wink:
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Even for effeciency, a map would be needed right?
Yeah, its got plenty of work to be done yet, but this is fine and very safe to run about on running the car in etc..
:laugh: Thought you were a racing driver, 1.5bar on a 76 isn't that fast! How's the fueling?
I have driven some quick cars, and I have to say I was very surprised myself, but yeah, its quick! Fueling is great, seems like there is lots left in reserve too.
Ill be going to Revo for a couple of days to get everything perfect, we should be able to see just how far we can go with the fueling, I think it should support 30psi on this set up, which should make for a pretty bloody quick road car!
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Good good mate. Look forward to seeing this at the strip at some point
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I've reached salivation point :drool:
I need to see this go in the flesh :jumping:
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Jonny, quick question - did you do much investigation into the peak efficiency island graphs of the GT3076R before deciding on it?
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Mate that sounds awesome! When are getting all the mapping dialed?
About 3 or 4 weeks time, at the minute im not thinking it needs to be any faster so im in two minds as to what to do.. Seriously, I can't stress just how rapid it is!!
Sounds like she's going well then bud.. Give us a buzz when she's ready for the Pod mate. I'll make sure I come down for a ganders.. :wink:
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Mate that sounds awesome! When are getting all the mapping dialed?
About 3 or 4 weeks time, at the minute im not thinking it needs to be any faster so im in two minds as to what to do.. Seriously, I can't stress just how rapid it is!!
Sounds like she's going well then bud.. Give us a buzz when she's ready for the Pod mate. I'll make sure I come down for a ganders.. :wink:
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Mate that sounds awesome! When are getting all the mapping dialed?
About 3 or 4 weeks time, at the minute im not thinking it needs to be any faster so im in two minds as to what to do.. Seriously, I can't stress just how rapid it is!!
Sounds like she's going well then bud.. Give us a buzz when she's ready for the Pod mate. I'll make sure I come down for a ganders.. :wink:
me too , i would like to see this , whens its first trip to the pod ?
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any updates???
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He's in America racing for a few weeks....so guess not at the mo :happy2:
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When's the next update/installment coming Jonny :happy2:
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When's the next update/installment coming Jonny :happy2:
Ill get something up tomorrow hopefully.. :happy2:
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Excellent, looking forward to it :happy2:
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Lovely Car!!!
Very Very Jealous!!!
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Ill get something up tomorrow hopefully.. :happy2:
It's tomorrow. :party: :smiley:
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:popcornsoda: :popcornsoda: :popcornsoda: :popcornsoda: :party: :party: :party: :party:
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:party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :popcornsoda: :popcornsoda: :popcornsoda: :popcornsoda: :popcornsoda:
Come on stop keeping me in suspense. Your the reason my missus doesn't go too mental when i say i want something doing to the car.
I just show her yours and say "im not that bad……yet :grin:" obviously i say the yet under my breath :laugh:
Carl :happy2:
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billyboy just spotted him so hes probs having some fun! :driver:
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Welll!!! :smiley:
The car is running fantastic at the moment..
We have made a few more changes today..
Wrapped the intake and DV recirc pipe with ceramic coated matting and neatened up a few bits which can't be seen..
Suspension was all adjusted and alignment sorted out too..
The brakes have been installed and are working great..
Oil and filter changed for the 3rd time now, running fully synthetic.. Oil came out looking good, no bits in it lol..
The car got its first wash for 10 weeks tonight and now its dark! So no pics unfortunately..
Tomorrow, ill be able to get some pics up with some more in detail explanations on some of the parts and hopefully a couple of videos too!
First impressions having driven the car a little more in varied conditions are great! The car is incredible, running only 1.5 bar boost at the moment, with no ignition advance, and pretty rich.. It still pulls amazing! There should be another good 60-70hp to come when we optimize the map.. I think its running around 450hp now, so it should be up to around 525hp which should max out the stock low pressure fuel system..
Oh and it WALKS on the Golf.. And I mean WALKS, just pulls and pulls.. I think running as is now it would do a mid 11 second 1/4..
The sound is just amazing, seriously obnoxiously loud when the wastegate opens, but in a really good way.. Doesnt sound chav at all, just sounds right!!
Anyways pics and videos tomorrow!.. I promise!! :happy2:
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Can't wait! :jumpmove: :jumpmove:
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This is sounding great! Project is really coming together. :happy2: Looking forward to some video's!
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Sounds crazy :laugh:
Let us know if you go to any track days and I will come along to have a listen :drool:
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sounding nice mate, you should seriously consider coming to the ring next year! ;)
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sounds fantastic cant wait to see the pics
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Hey all...
So the first proper update since the car had been back on the road..
The reason for the delay is that I have been away for the last 4 weeks, so only drove the car for one day before leaving.. Now I have been back a day or so I have had chance to get some more pics and drive the car a little more!
Before I do anything ill apologise for the TERRIBLE pictures, it was getting dark again but I wanted to get some shots up today..
First jobs when I was back was to finish off the heat protection on the intake and DV recirc pipe, these are both very important to keep cool, and with the intake pipe running above the manifold and the recirc pipe running along side the engine both are subject to lots of heat soak!
Heres a pic of what they look like now..
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I have already had numerous comments about the fact it looks like its been covered in tin foil but its really not lol.. The main areas are wrapped with the ceramic heat matting from Zircotec, which works amazingly well!! And the rest in high temperature silver tape, which I ‘acquired’ on my last trip out!
The results seem very promising, with the intake pipe being cool to the touch after a long drive with mixed conditions, stopping in traffic and WOT etc.. So im pleased with that!!
And some pictures of that lovely manifold.. Its going all sorts of interesting colours now!!
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The engine bay still needs lots of work, at the moment its really nothing to look at.. Unless you know what your looking for anyways that is..
I have some plans to change that, lots of small bits but should really make it look special.. Not bling at all, just purposeful looking.. All go..
Next was to drop the oil again, we went with a fully synthetic oil now.. That will stay in for another 1000miles then drop it again and from then on the oil will be changed every 2-3k miles..
The VW Racing brake package was also fitted to the car, these were the brakes that had been on my Golf.. There pretty amazing to be honest.. And the S3 has really benefited from them.. Have a little more confidence that it will stop now! Something that’s good to know when its this quick!
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I think that the Recaro Pole positions look great in the car, really suit the standard interior.. After all these are the same seats that all of VAG use in the first test cars for on track activities, so there kind of OEM lol..
Now a couple of pics of the car..
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Still really not sure about the Red wheels, but sometimes I like them.. 99% sure that im going to change to textured black powder coat pretty soon but for now there are some other bits that I would rather get sorted out first..
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And probably the thing that most of you have been waiting for..
This is 2nd and 3rd gear, running 1.5 bar boost revving to around 7200rpm in 2nd and only up to about 6500rpm in 3rd due to lack of room.. Its only just waking up at this speed to be honest..
This is NOT on the public road, it was recorded on my friends private drive way hence the short run.. Ill try and get some exterior videos at some point, the only problem being that any camera struggles to cope with the sound, and its just distortion!
Anyways, enjoy!!
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You can kind of get a little bit of an impression from the video, but a very slow gear change, and only a small blast in 3rd gear does it no justice at all really!
It genuinely continues to accelerate at that rate through the whole of 4th and 5th gear!!
So that’s about it for now..
The next thing is to take the trip to Revo and get the car mapped specifically for this turbo kit and make the most of the hardware.. At the moment the car is running a map which was based around a GT3071R turbo running a logger type ATP manifold.. So for sure there is a huge amount to come..
I think going to 1.8 bar and exploring the timing and AFR we will see another 75hp at least over what its running now.. Im thinking around 525hp at that point.. Which will be the limit of the stock LP fuel system and RS4 injectors..
So until there is something out there which will offer more fuel then that will be it.. Still, not bad!!
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OMG
Bloody brilliant! :wink:
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was at revo hq today and they said they are waiting for your call :laugh:
sounds spot on mate and :evilgrin: :evilgrin:
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Stunning! :notworthy: :notworthy:
Have you got the gear cable end bushes on this one jonny?
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Stunning! :notworthy: :notworthy:
Have you got the gear cable end bushes on this one jonny?
Hi Mike..
Yeah I do, ill reply to your PM now, sorry, forgot about that one :surprised:
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OMG!! Amazing!
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Looking fab mate, really is special! ;)
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Sounding very meaty! :notworthy:
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Looking like it's getting there mate.. Can't wait till you find a longer drive way to do another vid, as she seems to rip that's for sure.. :wink:
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Fantasic you must be chuffed to bits
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MMMMMMMMMM :drool:
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I love the red wheels Jonny I think they really suit it! Looking forward to seeing it go in the flesh, it sound fookin mental with just a chirp, love it! :drool: :drool:
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This thing sounded RUDE when you passed me at the cross keys on Tuesday night Jonny!!!!
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This thing sounded RUDE when you passed me at the cross keys on Tuesday night Jonny!!!!
Black Leon? Lol.. It is rather loud ha..
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Quality thread, better than a magazine :signLOL:
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This thing sounded RUDE when you passed me at the cross keys on Tuesday night Jonny!!!!
Black Leon? Lol.. It is rather loud ha..
Yeah I recognised the S3 when you were in the layby on the bypass. The red wheels were a give away!!
I made it a mission to get you to bite and give her some beans.
Its loud but sweet!!!!!
To be fair Im not into loud exhausts but its got a sound all of its own....RUDE!!!
By the way just after Windlebridge your car kicked up any amounts of crap off the road onto my bonnet.
Was that wheelspin or your exhaust? Someone told me you have a screamer pipe but have never heard of them before.
Either way that thing sounds like a beast.
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This thing sounded RUDE when you passed me at the cross keys on Tuesday night Jonny!!!!
Black Leon? Lol.. It is rather loud ha..
Yeah I recognised the S3 when you were in the layby on the bypass. The red wheels were a give away!!
I made it a mission to get you to bite and give her some beans.
Its loud but sweet!!!!!
To be fair Im not into loud exhausts but its got a sound all of its own....RUDE!!!
By the way just after Windlebridge your car kicked up any amounts of crap off the road onto my bonnet.
Was that wheelspin or your exhaust? Someone told me you have a screamer pipe but have never heard of them before.
Either way that thing sounds like a beast.
Sorry about that.. The screamer exits just behind the block and is fired down onto the road, so that will kick up quite a bit of s*it most probably..
The sound is the waste gate screamer, it sounds pretty insane!!
Quick update..
Went from 1.50 bar boost to 1.65 and now the car is A LOT faster again.. Seriously quick! Still running almost standard AFR and Ignition advance settings..
1.80 bar will be the final boost pressure which brings the turbo right into its optimum efficiency range.. And with the AFR's leaned out and a healthy chunk of timing we should be flying!
All seems good for now.. Already surprised a couple of cars lol.. Some of the reactions are priceless!! :grin:
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Hey no worries about shot blasting my bonnet :laugh: I will keep my distance next time.
By the time you nailed it at 5K my k03 had ran out of puff.
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Hey no worries about shot blasting my bonnet :laugh: I will keep my distance next time.
By the time you nailed it at 5K my k03 had ran out of puff.
I certainly wont be offering a head to head from 1500 rpm against yours though mate.. Would take a little while to get going ha.. Once it hits 4k its all go though.. Pulls so hard to 8k its untrue! Joys of a bigger turbo.. You do loose ALL of the torque between 1500 and 2500rpm..
Although saying that, we were making 5 psi at 3000 rpm which isnt bad for that size of turbo and 8.5:1 compression..
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I have heard the REVO software for the GT30 is great and you shouldnt be getting anywhere near as much lag once its got the correct mapping. I have looked into it myself but couldnt justify the outlay.
If its that fast already it should be truly Rapid with an aggressive tune
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I have heard the REVO software for the GT30 is great and you shouldnt be getting anywhere near as much lag once its got the correct mapping. I have looked into it myself but couldnt justify the outlay.
If its that fast already it should be truly Rapid with an aggressive tune
With timing and Fuel alone im sure there is probably 20+hp to come top end, but the largest gains will be in response and mid range.. The extra boost top end should make a big difference too!
To be honest it really doesnt have to be any faster for the road, its already pretty silly..
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On the MkV Forum there have been quotes of 15 psi by 3000rpm on REVO software which would completely transform the midrange.
Thats coming from an American site though where figures tend to get exagerated. A LOT
I bet the running in process is torture not using the engines full potential....all part of the fun though i guess!
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is that a eurojet diverter valve?
does it have the bit to plug in to, the electrica sender which comes standard on our cupra/s3 engine with remove DV..?
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Jonny,
Have you decided whether you going to do anything with the low pressure fueling side of things, or see how you go with stock system for time behind and deal with that wall, should you come to it, in the future.
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On the MkV Forum there have been quotes of 15 psi by 3000rpm on REVO software which would completely transform the midrange.
Thats coming from an American site though where figures tend to get exagerated. A LOT
I bet the running in process is torture not using the engines full potential....all part of the fun though i guess!
I can believe it, although that will be on a 3071 turbo for sure and possibly standard compression ratio, I really doubt you could make that kind of boost with the set up I have and the lower compression..
Yup, it is difficult.. But a quick thought in the back of my mind as to how much I have spent on it quickly keeps the throttle to a minimum lol.. The engine has now covered over a thousand miles and really should be 80% bedded in.. Another 500 and it will be done I think..
is that a eurojet diverter valve?
does it have the bit to plug in to, the electrica sender which comes standard on our cupra/s3 engine with remove DV..?
Its actually a Forge Super size DV as part of the BSH DV relocation kit.. We are running a rigged up N75 valve to trick the ECU into thinking there is still the electronic valve in place.. Alternatively you could run it with the standard electronic valve plugged in and tie it out of the way.. But thats pretty ugly!
Jonny,
Have you decided whether you going to do anything with the low pressure fueling side of things, or see how you go with stock system for time behind and deal with that wall, should you come to it, in the future.
The LP fuel system is different on the S3 to the ED30 / GTI / Cupra.. The TT-S runs the same system, but as far as knowing what the differences are, and how much effect that actually has on the flow in practice I have no idea.. I would imagine that we will find the limit when the car is at Revo for the proper mapping..
Saying that, at the moment there is a TON of fuel in reserve running 1.65 bar boost, so we may find that its up to the job when running 1.80 bar (which will be where ill be having the boost set for now)
Its a big learning curve with the car, so it will take a little time to get everything 100% sorted, but its certainly getting there!
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more info and pics on N75 (not a nokia) lol
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more info and pics on N75 (not a nokia) lol
Just run the pressure and vacuum reference feeds in a loop with some hose and thats it..
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Hey..
So today I decided that we should get on and fit the WOT box..
The instructions show lots of electrical tape, dodgy wire cutting and all in all a pretty nasty install..
We went about it in a little bit of a different way.. Just so that you would never know it was there unless you looked for it.. Really pleased with the install and again a big thanks to Andy for his superb work on the car!
Ok so first of all we fed the wires of the loom from the driver side through into the engine bay..
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The loom then travelled along the scuttle panel and dropped down out from the stock engine loom grommet on the passenger side..
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All of the connections were cut / soldered and sealed with heat shrink for a perfect and reliable connection, no splicing or electrical tape in sight!
OEM loom covers were used for that OEM look in the engine bay and make sure that its all keep away from moisture or heat..
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The main WOT box loom then feeds into the driver side dash cubby which the main controller sits, this allows for easy view of the LED to check that the WOT box is first of all armed and ready to go and also operating correctly..
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So the results..
Well it works great, we have the launch control set at the standard default of 4000rpm at the minute.. Not tried a launch with the car yet but im sure that will be enough as the car in only on 225/40 Toyo T1-R tyres, so not the most grip..
As for the WOT shift, that works great too.. Again its still set at the default setting which is AUTO mode, we can start to cut down the M/S shift time once I start playing with it, but for now it works great..
The cut is way too long, but it does re engage power with no loss of boost, so its still a benefit over conventional shifting..
Heres a little video of the launch control at 4000rpm.. Its SO loud in person!!!
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That’s about it for now! Still working away with the long list of bits that im wanting to do on the car and its all still running brilliantly..
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:laugh:
That's mental.
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that sounds mental :driver:
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i wanna see somes FLAMES man, FATF styleee lol !!!!
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Love the WOT box such a cheap and effective mod, but the only reason i havnt got it yet is down to the wiring instructions ! cutting and splicing etc
looks like a good install.
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Love the WOT box such a cheap and effective mod, but the only reason i havnt got it yet is down to the wiring instructions ! cutting and splicing etc
looks like a good install.
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Great job there Jonny, keep it up, your car is an inspiration :congrats:
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Feel a bit stupid but what's a WOT box???
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wide open throttle, allows gear changes without backing off IIRC :happy2:
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wide open throttle, allows gear changes without backing off IIRC :happy2:
So Like DSG then........
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wide open throttle, allows gear changes without backing off IIRC :happy2:
Ooooh nice :) I read about something like this years ago. Demon tweaks did / do a system that does that.
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wide open throttle, allows gear changes without backing off IIRC :happy2:
and 2 step launch control !!
its called flat or no lift shifting by the way and its amazin (tried in a 500 bhp s4 :)
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Awesome car Jonny :happy2:
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Hows the motor coming along, any updates Jonny? :party:
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Hows the motor coming along, any updates Jonny? :party:
Well not too much to be honest.. Few little bits though..
Car is running great still.. We have a little issue with the breather system but the car will be running the Forge catch can system very soon (just been waiting for parts at the powdercoaters) and then all should be fine..
Still fast as hell, and should be going to Revo later this week to have the map fully tidied up and specifically tuned for the tubular manifold / 3076 turbo and lower compression engine build.. Im expecting around 50hp throughout the rev range once that is done, and running around 1.8 bar boost we should be very close to 500hp
Couple of other random bits..
I spent some time setting up the WOT box for the car, just to have the launch RPM and cut time on the gearshift just right..
Been out playing tonight and tested a few different launch RPM's..
We started at the standard 4000 rpm setting and it just bogged.. I brought it up 200 rpm at a time until we were at 5000 rpm and now it launches lovely.. I think its probably built a fair bit more boost too.. I also feel like I have the launch technique pretty much sorted too which is good!
On Vag Com its saying that we are building 6psi of boost when on the 2-step.. Not a huge amount but certainly helps!
So naturally we decided to do some practice 0-60 runs!
1st - 4.03
2nd - 3.87
3rd - 4.72 (missed 2nd)
4th - 3.77
Only timed from a stop watch but gives a reasonable idea.. We were stopping the time just after 60mph indicated to factor in a little for the speedo being out.. But oh my god does it launch now!
Also had a play with the flat shifting, just getting the shift time perfect and the difference it makes is quite incredible, now the car is constantly in boost, and you fire through the gears like nothing! Its pretty amazing.. I seriously can't wait for the first 1/4 mile day now!!! Also at night you occasionally have the whole back of the car lit up on shifts accompanied with a HUGE bang.. Pretty nasty!
All of those times were without a flat shift to 2nd gear as ill only do that on 1/4 mile runs.. That will make a big difference on its own! I think a low 3 second 0-60 is possible for sure when everything is set perfectly..
The next thing is that there has been lots of talk recently about RS4 injectors and cold starts, struggling in the mornings etc.. I think that hopefully this video can help to prove that with correct mapping there is no problems..
This was 1 degrees C outside this morning and the car had not been started for 3 days.. So yeah, its pretty cold!
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Ill let you make your own minds up but that seems perfects acceptable to me? Once its warmed up it will fire on the 2nd crank..
Love the sound of the turbo when the car comes off cold start ha.. woooooooooooooooooooo
Oh and just for fun :wink:
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The car is going for a two day detailing session with Pure Detail soon, so will come back looking perfect again, the paint is in good condition but needs a good seeing to after being neglected for the last year!
I have also ordered a set of the Volk VR.G2 wheels in flat black
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Specs are 18 x 8.5 / ET42 / 5 x 112 / in the high 7kg range for that fitment..
These are set for delivery early Jan, cant wait!!
Think ill have the TD's powder coated between times though to a textured black, pretty sick of the red now, especially as there are more and more cars popping up round here with red wheels recently.. The worst offender being a BLUE Renault Megane R26 complete with full race decals.. Hmm.. Nice!
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i just love this car!!!
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Nice touch the 1.9 TDI bit perhaps you should get some proper badges. :wink:
Looking forward to seeing this at the Pod. Do you have a date set?
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Nice touch the 1.9 TDI bit perhaps you should get some proper badges. :wink:
Looking forward to seeing this at the Pod. Do you have a date set?
Na the car is fully de badged, I would rather it that way to be honest.. The 1.9 TDI badge was courtesy of a mate lol..
Not yet, unfortunately I dont know when I can next make it to a RWYB day.. Im going to have a look now actually..
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No more RWYB dates until next year now Jonny :sad1:
I think York has also closed shop till next year.
Wouldn't mind an early trip to York or the Pod next year either :happy2:
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Looking good jonny!
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No more RWYB dates until next year now Jonny :sad1:
I think York has also closed shop till next year.
Wouldn't mind an early trip to York or the Pod next year either :happy2:
Yeah just saw that.. Hmm.. Oh well, Santa Pod in Jan it is then! Will give me time to have it 100% by then I guess, but still I would love to know where its at now so I know what im working with!
Yeah York is done until Easter now..
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Looking good jonny!
Cheers mate.. :smiley:
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Jaw dropping as ussual :congrats:
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Beautiful wheels, cant wait to see them fitted!
Attention to detail on this car is 2nd to none Jonny, awesome :happy2:
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what happened to the ed30?
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what happened to the ed30?
Still got it, and its for sale.. :happy2:
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Looking forward to seeing the results from Revo, it's gonna be stupid fast! :grin: How you getting on with the weight saving? :happy2:
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Looking forward to seeing the results from Revo, it's gonna be stupid fast! :grin: How you getting on with the weight saving? :happy2:
Yeah, im not sure if there will be a chance to dyno it but either way ill know if its quicker or not.. For sure it will be..
Well only really done a couple of interior bits, I have a long list of weight saving things that need to be done, just needs a day to do it really, may attack it next week! There is another 50kg or so to come out pretty easily! That should see it down in the mid to low 1200kg range..
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Looking forward to seeing the results from Revo, it's gonna be stupid fast! :grin: How you getting on with the weight saving? :happy2:
Yeah, im not sure if there will be a chance to dyno it but either way ill know if its quicker or not.. For sure it will be..
Well only really done a couple of interior bits, I have a long list of weight saving things that need to be done, just needs a day to do it really, may attack it next week! There is another 50kg or so to come out pretty easily! That should see it down in the mid to low 1200kg range..
Jebus! I didn't know you were gonna be able to get it so low! That is gonna make a huuuggggeeee difference to power/weight ratio? You sacrificied any creature comforts apart from the rear seats obviously? :happy2:
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Looking forward to seeing the results from Revo, it's gonna be stupid fast! :grin: How you getting on with the weight saving? :happy2:
Yeah, im not sure if there will be a chance to dyno it but either way ill know if its quicker or not.. For sure it will be..
Well only really done a couple of interior bits, I have a long list of weight saving things that need to be done, just needs a day to do it really, may attack it next week! There is another 50kg or so to come out pretty easily! That should see it down in the mid to low 1200kg range..
Jebus! I didn't know you were gonna be able to get it so low! That is gonna make a huuuggggeeee difference to power/weight ratio? You sacrificied any creature comforts apart from the rear seats obviously? :happy2:
Basically the weight saving will consist of the following..
These bits I have already done
Remove Aircon
Remove rear seats / Belts / Points
Remove headlight washers
Remove fog lights
Remove one horn haha.. May as well!
Remove rear bumper bar
Remove boot contents
Lightweight interior panels - removed lots of bits, but looks standard inside
Light weight front seats
Light weight interior, under carpet sound proofing
Light weight front crash bar
Light weight front bumper - 4kg of plastic and bracing!
Light weight battery
Wheels / Suspension / Brakes etc etc etc..
All of that added up to 208kg
The bits that are left to do are things like carbon panels, poly windows, Ti exhaust, lighter wheels.. Etc etc.. Basically, the expensive bits haha!
So yeah, the realistic target is 1175kg and I think with EVERYTHING done I can get to that whilst still retaining a stock looking interior, albeit without rear seats and Recaros in the front..
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so a race car then :laugh: just no cage lol and some some kind of a dash
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so a race car then :laugh: just no cage lol and some some kind of a dash
Guess so yeah.. Cages are too heavy :wink:
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Sounds awesome mate, looking forward to seeing her attack the 1/4 mile :drool: :wink:
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1250kg and 450whp (550bhp ish?)
Theory stats should put you at...
3 seconds to 60mph
6.9 seconds to 100mph
1/4 mile in 10.9 seconds
trap speed at 133mph
One fast car that Jonny!!! :surprised:
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Hope you dont have a rear end shunt Jonny. :confused:
That Remove rear bumper bar isnt just there to add weight.Its quite
important for your safety.
Do you use the s3 as your daily still or only for track days?
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1250kg and 450whp (550bhp ish?)
Theory stats should put you at...
3 seconds to 60mph
6.9 seconds to 100mph
1/4 mile in 10.9 seconds
trap speed at 133mph
One fast car that Jonny!!! :surprised:
Where do you get 100bhp losses from John? :smiley:
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1250kg and 450whp (550bhp ish?)
Theory stats should put you at...
3 seconds to 60mph
6.9 seconds to 100mph
1/4 mile in 10.9 seconds
trap speed at 133mph
One fast car that Jonny!!! :surprised:
Where do you get 100bhp losses from John? :smiley:
Only going on 20% transmission loss for 4WD cars. Although Haldex maybe less.
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not sure of the exact losses but there is no way its 100bhp with haldex, that would mean the std S3 manages 60 in 5.7 using 165bhp and weighing 1450/1500 kg (not sure exactly) but it doesn't add up :smiley:
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not sure of the exact losses but there is no way its 100bhp with haldex, that would mean the std S3 manages 60 in 5.7 using 165bhp and weighing 1450/1500 kg (not sure exactly) but it doesn't add up :smiley:
20% of 265bhp isn't 100bhp gaz :laugh:
it is 53bhp, so you'd be talking 212whp on an S3 with the same equation :happy2:
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Ha ha fair enough :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
why do the transmission losses increase with power increase, is it not a fixed figure as a transmission loss? this is only a question I apolgise for my stupidity :smiley:
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Ha ha fair enough :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
why do the transmission losses increase with power increase, is it not a fixed figure as a transmission loss? this is only a question I apolgise for my stupidity :smiley:
Firstly sorry to Jonny for nicking his thread for a minute :ashamed:
The more power you have the more you will lose in transmitting it to the road.
Here's a pair of links that provide a better explaination than I can. :smiley:
http://www.pumaracing.co.uk/trans.htm
http://www.pumaracing.co.uk/POWER3.htm
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1250kg and 450whp (550bhp ish?)
Theory stats should put you at...
3 seconds to 60mph
6.9 seconds to 100mph
1/4 mile in 10.9 seconds
trap speed at 133mph
One fast car that Jonny!!! :surprised:
Did you say 10? lol..
Yeah well it is quick, I think to be honest now its well in the 11's when comparing just how much faster it is than the Golf, and that from a roll is a quick car!
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Ok so here goes..
* Just a quick disclaimer before we start! This video was recorded on a PRIVATELY OWNED driveway and NOT the public road *
Launch control set at 5000 rpm, slow shift 1st to 2nd (still not confident to flat shift this one as its a tricky change) and then flat shift 2nd to 3rd / 3rd to 4th.. Could have revved it more too but I didn't want to go mad as there isn't a huge amount of space lol..
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Gives an idea of how it goes! This was with one 90kg passenger and a pretty full tank, and running 1.65 bar of boost, on a very conservative tune.. There is LOTS more to come..
Oh and if your wandering, the engine light is on because of no charcoal canister, just an EVAP CEL.. Revo will be removing that for me when I finally get down there!
Hope you like!!
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just as i was about to be a geek and say about the CEL :)
nice one mate :jumping: :jumping: :jumping:
the beast is nearly done, cant wait for more videos
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O LORD!!
ORSUMMMMMMM :happy2:
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by my calculations.. that was 0-60 in about 4 seconds... :party:
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and flat shifting is....is that a DSG thing is it??/
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and flat shifting is....is that a DSG thing is it??/
NOPE, manual !!
WOT BOX FTW - http://www.npcompleteperformance.com/wotbox
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by my calculations.. that was 0-60 in about 4 seconds... :party:
Hmm, I get it at around 3.7 but who's counting.. :happy2:
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lol ! That is fantastic :congrats:
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Hmm, I get it at around 3.7 but who's counting.. :happy2:
Great work Jonny, you have email btw :happy2:
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wow. so jelous.
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b o n k e r s :rolleye:
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:drool: :drool:
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Well fook me thats quick infact thats evo fq400 with a few tweeks fast and i have driven a few of those :driver: sounds good too :evilgrin:
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Well fook me thats quick infact thats evo fq400 with a few tweeks fast and i have driven a few of those :driver: sounds good too :evilgrin:
It is mate, and to be honest I dont really know if I need any more to be honest.. Yeah, shame the camera doesn't pick up on the sound too well, its pretty incredible!
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hows the turbo when hot near the prop?
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hows the turbo when hot near the prop?
Toasty.. :wink:
Na seriously, the Zircoflex matting from Zircotec is VERY impressive stuff and is doing a great job, the whole of the area surrounding the turbo is covered in the stuff and the prop also has pretty good airflow so its not a problem, even though there isnt much room.. That was something that I was pretty worried about to be honest but all seems good :happy2:
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Very impressive :happy2:
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hows the turbo when hot near the prop?
Toasty.. :wink:
Na seriously, the Zircoflex matting from Zircotec is VERY impressive stuff and is doing a great job, the whole of the area surrounding the turbo is covered in the stuff and the prop also has pretty good airflow so its not a problem, even though there isnt much room.. That was something that I was pretty worried about to be honest but all seems good :happy2:
i was a little :surprised: to how close it was but its working well and i know u will be keeping an eye on it :smiley: make sure you come to the rr day and lets get it on the rollers :evilgrin:
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I couldn't stop laughing when I was watching that, its f*cking obscenely quick! :stupid: :stupid:
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Mate that's bonkers!!!! :laugh:
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Mate that's bonkers!!!! :laugh:
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good read very impressive :grin:
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Just Read the whole thread, great read and an amazing car :)
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Just Read the whole thread, great read and an amazing car :)
Awesome mate, thanks :smiley:
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Have you got the race haldex on yet Jonny? I would be interested to hear your views on it :wink: :happy2:
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Have you got the race haldex on yet Jonny? I would be interested to hear your views on it :wink: :happy2:
Nope, and to e honest I don't think I'll probaby bother.. It's go more than enough power to provoke 2nd gear wheel spin in the dry, so you can imagine it's feeling a little more alive now..
In the wet it's pretty mad, In a straight line it will loose traction in 3rd, 4th on the exit of a corner..
Also it launches lovely so don't really think I need it..
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Is this your daily driver now Jonny, or was your ED30 fattened back up for that?
Can the S3 still be driven in a somewhat docile manner if you need to (you know: loaf of bread, pint of milk), or is it a case of "2000 rpm nothing... 3000rpm nothing.... 4000rpm MY GOD GET OUT OF THE WAY!!"?
You surely can't be in the mood to go full bore all day, every day (on second thoughts, given your occupation you just might!
If its not your daily, what are you getting around in every day?
If I may be so bold as to pry... :happy2:
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Jonny, i just had a quick read through the thread.... The car is an absolute weapon! Out of interest what flat shift setting did you settle for on the wot box?
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Is this your daily driver now Jonny, or was your ED30 fattened back up for that?
Can the S3 still be driven in a somewhat docile manner if you need to (you know: loaf of bread, pint of milk), or is it a case of "2000 rpm nothing... 3000rpm nothing.... 4000rpm MY GOD GET OUT OF THE WAY!!"?
You surely can't be in the mood to go full bore all day, every day (on second thoughts, given your occupation you just might!
If its not your daily, what are you getting around in every day?
If I may be so bold as to pry... :happy2:
Absolutely.. I use it every day I need to drive so yeah its my daily..
The car is very very progressive, and driving around round town its lovely.. Ok the clutch is a little bit harsh (I opted for the strongest clutch I could get my hands on) as its rated to over 500ft/lbs which means it could cope with the best part of 650ft/lbs if you factor in how much margin they generally work into that..
Apart from that its great, its very easy to drive, makes 5 psi of boost at 1750rpm so its very drivable.. If you want to make progress but not go flat out then thats also very easy, you definitely feel the turbo spool and you have to adjust your throttle to suit but you can drive normal quick is speeds easily without going mad..
If your flat out and rev it then yeah its pretty mental.. But its certainly not like a switch, I think that would get boring pretty quickly if you were using it every day..
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Jonny, i just had a quick read through the thread.... The car is an absolute weapon! Out of interest what flat shift setting did you settle for on the wot box?
Thanks mate, yeah im very pleased with it! :smiley:
I have actually gone back to the automatic setting for now as the gearbox is not fantastic.. For some reason every S3 I have driven has a slow change, don't know why that is but were trying to get to the bottom of it..
Its far less stressful to work with the automatic mode (brings the power back in when the clutch is released) rather than working with a pre determined cut which is too much in some gears and too little in others.. Until we get the box working as I would like it to then ill probably stick with that..
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Excellent, cheers for that mate. Keep up the good work! :happy2:
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Jonny, i just had a quick read through the thread.... The car is an absolute weapon! Out of interest what flat shift setting did you settle for on the wot box?
For some reason every S3 I have driven has a slow change, don't know why that is but were trying to get to the bottom of it..
Could the S3 have a similar system to the E46 M3, which is fitted with a Clutch Delay Valve (CDV)?
It goes in the hydraulic line just before the clutch slave cylinder. It contains a valve mechanism that slows the return of the fluid when you release the pedal.
Dunno, just a thought.
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Jonny, i just had a quick read through the thread.... The car is an absolute weapon! Out of interest what flat shift setting did you settle for on the wot box?
For some reason every S3 I have driven has a slow change, don't know why that is but were trying to get to the bottom of it..
Could the S3 have a similar system to the E46 M3, which is fitted with a Clutch Delay Valve (CDV)?
It goes in the hydraulic line just before the clutch slave cylinder. It contains a valve mechanism that slows the return of the fluid when you release the pedal.
Dunno, just a thought.
Yep, it definately does, but at the moment there is no easy way to get around it because of the size of the lines.. We wanted to sort it out when it was all apart but there wasn't an obvious reliable solution..
I think that would certainly help, and could be the main factor.. The only thing is, all the rest of the cars have it too.. So its something else too :confused: Hmm..
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Hey all..
So, the S3 is sold.. :laugh: Was never up for sale but had an offer, and that was that!
Didnt want to say anything before now as I got a ear bashing last time I mentioned selling a car.. Couldn't be bothered with that again!
Car is now with its new owner who will be looking after it really well, and seems to love it!!
Ok so I know most of you wont believe it, so ill try and explain my thinking.. For me a BIG proportion of the fun I have with the cars is in the build, so if once the car is built up, and I have an opportunity to move onto the next project, then Ill take it.. Simple as that really.. :happy2:
The new project is already on its way..
I have decided to start again with the ED30 GTI that I have and turn it into an absolute monster.. Its going to be fun! (Again)
So yeah, just thought I would post up and finish this thread up really.. Its been brilliant fun, and a HUGE thanks to all that have been involved..
Andy @ ACR / Phil & Justin @ BSH / The guys at Revo / Peter @ Forge Motorsports / Ollie @ THS and last but by no means least Sam & Matt @ VWR!!
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Easy come - easy go!
Lets hope the new owner looks after a bit better than the previous one
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I was over on VAGOC the other day and got the general jist that the S3 had been sold, thought it was your place to post it though :smiley:
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Easy come - easy go!
Lets hope the new owner looks after a bit better than the previous one
Cheers mate, me too.. He seems a good guy so yeah! Should be looking after it properly this time.. :smiley:
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lets hope the new owner looks after it :driver: cant wait to see the plans come together for the ed30.
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Easy come - easy go!
Lets hope the new owner looks after a bit better than the previous one
Cheers mate, me too.. He seems a good guy so yeah! Should be looking after it properly this time.. :smiley:
Noooooooo.
Was it the same guy who had it before?
Love the ED30 th Good luck agan!!
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Easy come - easy go!
Lets hope the new owner looks after a bit better than the previous one
Cheers mate, me too.. He seems a good guy so yeah! Should be looking after it properly this time.. :smiley:
Noooooooo.
Was it the same guy who had it before?
Love the ED30 th Good luck agan!!
Nooo way! lol.. Wouldn't have let it happen.. To be honest, as funny as it sounds, with the way that the sale came about, if I wasn't confident that the new owner would be looking after the car well I wouldn't have sold it! I have put way too much time and effort (and money) into the car to let it get ruined by some idiot again!
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Jonny, I totally understand where your passion lies, when you drive racing cars for a living you must get a little desensitised by the cars and the enjoyment is from getting the cars through the process, can't say I blame you at all, I would be doing the same if I were you too. When you're creative and get a kick from engineering why not. Besides - you'll keep us all interested through another monster thread :happy2:
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DSG lured you back eh? :happy2:
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Jonny, I totally understand where your passion lies, when you drive racing cars for a living you must get a little desensitised by the cars and the enjoyment is from getting the cars through the process, can't say I blame you at all, I would be doing the same if I were you too. When you're creative and get a kick from engineering why not. Besides - you'll keep us all interested through another monster thread :happy2:
Thanks mate :happy2: Yep, ill just continue with the previous thread, which is already a bit of a monster as it is!! :scared:
DSG lured you back eh? :happy2:
Must be getting old hey?! :grin:
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Dont you still have the White ed30?? or has she gone to pastures new?
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DSG lured you back eh? :happy2:
Must be getting old hey?! :grin:
I wouldn't go that far... :smiley: I love DSG and only a few years older than your goodself. I think with the Revo remap it turns the GTI it an even more versatile tool/toy. It makes a change to see a 'real' driver not harping on about how a real car must be a manual, it's a testament to how good the DSG box is. Let's hope it's up to the job!
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"should of bought a cupra" :popcornsoda:
lol just a shame no dsg option :(
sad to see it go, good luck jonny
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"should of bought a cupra" :popcornsoda:
Too many doors.
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Dont you still have the White ed30?? or has she gone to pastures new?
Yeah same one mate, never sold it :happy2:
It makes a change to see a 'real' driver not harping on about how a real car must be a manual, it's a testament to how good the DSG box is. Let's hope it's up to the job!
That makes me laugh when people say stuff like that.. Find me a racing car that has a H-Pattern synchro mesh gearbox!! haha.. Dont think so..
There all straight cut dog gears, with sequential or pneumatic / hydaulic activation.. 'Road car' manual boxes are slow and use old technology lets face it.. I would rather go fast thanks! :wink:
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The S3 has gone :confused:
When did I miss that?
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When did I miss that?
15 posts ago.. :grin: Only went on Friday.. Like I said, didn't mention anything about selling it due to grief I got last time!
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Ah right I really need to get up to date with this site. Been slowing slipping away since selling the ED30 :sad1:
No grief from me, your car, your choice...looking forward to the ED30 build now :party:
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I think the same as Dom about 'you and your cars' jonny - Your joy is in the creation and as a racing driver many other aspects are already satisfied.
The bottom line is that you are a true enthusiast and one who shares and who is always willing to help others.
:happy2: 8) :happy2:
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wow! just reading through this thread is better than any magazine feature! well done fella, like the subtle exterior and mental interior!
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I was looking forward to seeing this fully finished :sad1: Did you get it mapped by Revo in the end? Nevermind im sure the ED30 thread will keep me thoroughly entertained for the coming months :happy2: :wink:
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I was looking forward to seeing this fully finished :sad1: Did you get it mapped by Revo in the end? Nevermind im sure the ED30 thread will keep me thoroughly entertained for the coming months :happy2: :wink:
Not yet, but the new owner will be taking a trip to Rev at some point for logging and the map setting up etc..
Yeah the ED30 will be mega, just had a load of bit delivered actually, hopefully they will be on later today!! :happy2:
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I was looking forward to seeing this fully finished :sad1:
Me too. But I was more interested in seeing what it would run @ Pod :evilgrin: :sad1:
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I was looking forward to seeing this fully finished :sad1:
Me too. But I was more interested in seeing what it would run @ Pod :evilgrin: :sad1:
The new owner wants me to drive it at Pod so we will all find out soon enough :smiley:
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I was looking forward to seeing this fully finished :sad1:
Me too. But I was more interested in seeing what it would run @ Pod :evilgrin: :sad1:
The new owner wants me to drive it at Pod so we will all find out soon enough :smiley:
:popcornsoda: that would be a fitting end :happy2:
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:popcornsoda: that would be a fitting end :happy2:
.... :surprised: That's an unfortunate choice of word. A fitting "closure" for Jonny would be a better sentiment.
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So what are the plans for the ed30??? Cant believe you sold it before it got even mapped.
Will the ed30 be staying fwd?
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So what are the plans for the ed30??? Cant believe you sold it before it got even mapped.
Will the ed30 be staying fwd?
All in the ED30 thread on here..
I was mapped, obviously lol.. Running Revo stage 3, It just wasn't optimized 100% thats all.. There would have been another 50hp or so to come.
Yes the ED30 will be staying FWD
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So what are the plans for the ed30??? Cant believe you sold it before it got even mapped.
Will the ed30 be staying fwd?
All in the ED30 thread on here..
I was mapped, obviously lol.. Running Revo stage 3, It just wasn't optimized 100% thats all.. There would have been another 50hp or so to come.
Yes the ED30 will be staying FWD
You know what I meant :booty:
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You know what I meant :booty:
:smiley: S3 was / still is a great car and I will miss it, but like I say, moving onto a new project with new challenges is more exciting :happy2:
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Jonny is caught in a revolving door full of vag and big turbos.
I'd like to say I sympathize with this dilemma, but you sound like you are having a great time! Haha
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Jonny is caught in a revolving door full of vag and big turbos.
I'd like to say I sympathize with this dilemma, but you sound like you are having a great time! Haha
Haha, thanks :happy2:
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Right decision getting the S3..... :happy2:
And I'm sorry you're 'Intro' thread got deleted. You know who to thank, perhaps he can offer you a free buff..!!?!!!... :signLOL:
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Right decision getting the S3..... :happy2:
And I'm sorry you're 'Intro' thread got deleted. You know who to thank, perhaps he can offer you a free buff..!!?!!!... :signLOL:
Ahh missed that, what happened?! lol..
Back to the ED30 now mate, you can check out the thread on here too :happy2:
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Ahh missed that, what happened?! lol..
Back to the ED30 now mate, you can check out the thread on here too :happy2:
Long boring story Jonny. I was being followed around this Forum by some loser who was looking for a 'Internet fight' I think!!!.... :fighting:
Anyway carry on with the build, so far all seems sweet..... :happy2: And keep the updates coming..... :popcornsoda:
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Ahh missed that, what happened?! lol..
Back to the ED30 now mate, you can check out the thread on here too :happy2:
Long boring story Jonny. I was being followed around this Forum by some loser who was looking for a 'Internet fight' I think!!!.... :fighting:
Anyway carry on with the build, so far all seems sweet..... :happy2: And keep the updates coming..... :popcornsoda:
Ah ok fair enough, shame I missed the drama lol.. Will do! :smiley:
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Can't believe the cars gone, the vids were unbelievable, thats mentally quick, like the 600bhp skyline I had a go in few years back! Hope it appears about next year on the pod. Let us know when you get to drive it.
Loved the comment a few pages back:
"Think ill have the TD's powder coated between times though to a textured black, pretty sick of the red now, especially as there are more and more cars popping up round here with red wheels recently.. The worst offender being a BLUE Renault Megane R26 complete with full race decals.. Hmm.. Nice!"
I've been considering red alloys on my little 197, something like this, what do think?
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I've been considering red alloys on my little 197, something like this, what do think?
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Thanks mate, yeah I know, but the Golf is coming along now, and only a few more days to wait until thats up and running! Jesus, going to be crazy.. Especially as there is a few inches of snow today!!
Ha, well seriously, since then there is another 4 cars, obviously the new 'thing'
I'd say yeah go for it, red wheels on a 197 would be cool, matches in perfectly with the R26.R etc.. :happy2:
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Such a shame you bailed on the project before it was completed was looking forward to pod. Did the person who bought it ever get it mapped?
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Such a shame you bailed on the project before it was completed was looking forward to pod. Did the person who bought it ever get it mapped?
Well I did quite a bit to it really I thought lol.. But yeah, it wasn't 100% complete.. although, when is any big project!?
It was mapped, just the map wasn't running much ignition advance, and a little rich and relatively low boost (1.65bar peak and hold).. So there was a little more to come, but it was basically running how it should.. I guessed with the adjustments plus a little more boost we could have got close to 500hp which is about the limit on pump fuel w/o water/meth injection..
He is having it sorted yeah.. Plus, if all goes to plan he will be at Pod on 17th Jan, where he has asked me to drive it.. So we will see.. :smiley:
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Did you ever sort the problem of bigger injectors? I guess you will always be limited by rs4 injectors capacity.
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Did you ever sort the problem of bigger injectors? I guess you will always be limited by rs4 injectors capacity.
I don't think its really a problem, they have a limit of around 500hp, which for most is fine.. Hence the slow development of large capacity FSI injectors..
But at the moment yes, the limit is with injectors.. Obviously the option is out there to run another set of non fsi injectors in a custom inlet manifold, or even a large capacity 5th injector in the inlet pipe and run it on a separate standalone but I want to wait until there is a realistically affordable uprated FSI injector that will flow enough..
Just a bit of a waiting game at the moment, everyone who is tuning 2.0T FSI is in the same boat unfortunately..
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He is having it sorted yeah.. Plus, if all goes to plan he will be at Pod on 17th Jan, where he has asked me to drive it.. So we will see.. :smiley:
note made on the diary, i'll be there in the red wheels 197 with the f*ck off big rocket on the side! :signLOL:
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The solid shift cable end bushings arrived from 42 Draft Designs, really nicely made.. They replace the stock cable end bushing and converts it to a solid bush. This should really tighten up the feel of the shift.. Every little helps..
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Any review about these shift cable bushings?
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Mine were square not round :confused:
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Are they working good, Mike?
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Are they working good, Mike?
:ashamed: Havent got round to fitting them
When I had my sachs & New DMF fitted at VWR they had a hard time getting them to work/fit, was all done quick time as I was short on time & they squeezed me in to a small timeslot. Will try again next time box is worked on (Diff :party:)
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are there any vids of the ED30 anywhere?