MK5 Golf GTI
General => Random Chat => Topic started by: dan930 on April 15, 2013, 04:07:32 am
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I know this is a vag forum so please dont get annoyed..
Which car will you choose to buy & mod
My 1st choice is
2010-11 GolfR dsg 5dr & mod it to stg2+(full tbe,intake,hpfp,ic)
2nd choice is
2009-11 Bmw 335d auto & mod it (dpf delete,performance exhaust,ic,remap)
Decisions,decisions
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You wouldn't want too mod a 335d they are real sleepers mate. They go throu turbosforfun thou, also rear tyres lol. Great cars thou dares say it. A friend of mine has one and he had it mapped, a week later he removed it, due to it been to wild. :happy2:
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Depends how many miles you do I guess.
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lovely car...
Got a ride in a remapped 335d which pushed around 350bhp
Very quick and yet economical. The only thing I did not like is slow auto box...
Paul
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As above, depends on how much mileage you're going to do.
TBH two mates have 335d's and although they are quick they still dont' really appeal in the way a gti or R does - yes it's rwd and the build quality is great but it still a derv and if you use the performance you're not getting the mpg.
I'd have the vag unless you're doing big miles in which case I'd say bmw but leave it stock.
A5 3.0tdi is another good choice if you like diseasal coupes.
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335d but i am slightly biased :signLOL: to be honest the 2 cars are nothing alike, if you want a fun hot hatch feel then the golf will do that, the bm is not really a fun car its a mile muncher and a very good one at that.
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Ive owned two 335D's - BORING! Relentless but uninvolving, with a sh*te gearbox. :happy2: Easy to go very quick in, that is all
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Ive owned two 335D's - BORING! Relentless but uninvolving, with a sh*te gearbox. :happy2: Easy to go very quick in, that is all
Really ?
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Ive owned two 335D's - BORING! Relentless but uninvolving, with a sh*te gearbox. :happy2: Easy to go very quick in, that is all
thats kinda what it is though, easy to get from a to b fast and in comfort. what were you expecting from a 1600 kilo diesel? mx5 fun?
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It's never going to drive like an m3 but as an all round family car what did you expect it to do :confused:
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Ive owned two 335D's - BORING! Relentless but uninvolving, with a sh*te gearbox. :happy2: Easy to go very quick in, that is all
So just like an RS3 then? :laugh:
/ducks for cover
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How bad is the Auto on the 35d's? Is it twin clutch like DSG?
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How bad is the Auto on the 35d's? Is it twin clutch like DSG?
Nope
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Ive owned two 335D's - BORING! Relentless but uninvolving, with a sh*te gearbox. :happy2: Easy to go very quick in, that is all
So just like an RS3 then? :laugh:
/ducks for cover
Beat me to it :wink:
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How bad is the Auto on the 35d's? Is it twin clutch like DSG?
Nope
Yeah, I think only the petrol 335i has the DCT 'box.
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the box is a simple auto which suits the style of the car, buy a car for what it is, its like people who buy hot hatches and say they are too stiff, complain about tyre noise and mpg!!!
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335d uses the 26hp ZF gearbox which is super string and reliable, tbh you don't want a quick gearbox on a desel anyway.
As a great all-rounder the 335d is hard to beat! (I've owned one and woud have another anyday) not at all boring if you can drive a RWD properly.
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The R - such a great all rounder and spend a couple of £k and its one hell of a car
bmw - they are ok but I would be bored in a few weeks of having just 'another' bmw
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I know this is a vag forum so please dont get annoyed..
Which car will you choose to buy & mod
My 1st choice is
2010-11 GolfR dsg 5dr & mod it to stg2+(full tbe,intake,hpfp,ic)
2nd choice is
2009-11 Bmw 335d auto & mod it (dpf delete,performance exhaust,ic,remap)
Decisions,decisions
I've had two, a 56 plate SE and an 07 plate MSport
Between the two I've done 150,000 ish and in 3.5 years
50,000 in the SE and 100,000 miles in the MSport
The SE left my possession with 65,000 on it and other than servicing and tyres cost me nothing
The MSport I've just traded in for my 09 plate a6 avant (highly spec'd) 3.0 TDi Quattro - as I've said, I've just traded it at about 120,000 miles
In that time all I've had to do is :
N/S/F shocker (pothole damage)
O/S/R shocker
Both rear bumps tops
Oil feed pipe for the small turbo
Boost pipe seals in main turbo pipe
In the time I've owned it I added eibach springs and M3 alignment (without the camber) - I removed the EGR at 95,000 along with the swirl flaps. Both of these made positive improvements to the drive and performance of the car
Both BMWs have ran my DTUK CRD-T tuning box - the SE made 324bhp and 500lbs ft and the MSport made 345bhp and 510lbs ft (felt slightly stringer after the EGR and swirl flap delete)
Although the 35d engine is a safe engine with regard the swirl flaps I'm not a fan of the idea - thus I removed them.
I averaged around 32mpg combined and mid 40's on a run on average
Around town though it kills is, but hats to be expected from a larger engined car
The gear change in normal D is nice and smooth running the latest firmware, in perfect in S if you know how to drive a rwd reasonable powered car - the paddle shift certainly isn't a dsg type shift, far from it lol, but you have the option to maul ally shift if you wish.
Over all, the 335d is a very quick, capable point to point car - once you learn how to drive it you will make for a very hard car to pass - the likes of M3's E92 shape and RS4's will struggle to pass in a straight line !
Not driven the Gold R hard, so cannot compare fairly, but you'd have to tune it allot more that you would with the 35d and you don't get anything like the econ when driven in the same manor
You wouldn't want too mod a 335d they are real sleepers mate. They go throu turbosforfun thou, also rear tyres lol. Great cars thou dares say it. A friend of mine has one and he had it mapped, a week later he removed it, due to it been to wild. :happy2:
Sorry but you're wrong, they don't go through turbos, both turbos on the 35d engine are robust. The only weak point are the pressure converters (similar to the n75 vale on vag) - the more award one to replace (sits closest to the bulkhead) can stick and fail causing powerless until higher rims when the bigger turbo come on song.
It's a simple replace to fix thing, fiddley and allot of engine plastics to remove but straight forward - the new replacement part is modified so you should only have to do it once at most
335d uses the 26hp ZF gearbox which is super string and reliable, tbh you don't want a quick gearbox on a desel anyway.
As a great all-rounder the 335d is hard to beat! (I've owned one and woud have another anyday) not at all boring if you can drive a RWD properly.
They use the 26hp box until 2009, then they put the 28hp in them - the 28's have a halved shift time, faster lockup and better econ
An I completely agree, once people learn how to drive them properly yes, they're rewarding and fun
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They go throu turbosforfun thou
It's the 320d's that eat turbos really btw
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If your a true petrolhead unless you need the MPG I think you'll get bored of the 335d after a couple of Days the BMW is a very nice Fast Tractor at the end of the Day and might embarrass quite a lot of Medium Performance Cars but getting all the Power down on the UK Roads in the wet even with out a remap is impossible and even dry Traction Control Light is still flickering in 2nd I've had a 335i & 335d as well as a Golf R and if I had to choice my favourite would be the R followed closely by the 335i although still near the top of my Cars owned list for most fun is Hurdy's old Edition 30 which as you've got a similar Car already you may regret changing for anything else (Unless your still interested in a Blue RS3 :signLOL:)
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Search Piston Heads...the car has been talked about a lot on there.
Generally most people seem to get bored with the cars sound and power delivery though there is no doubting it's performance.
The Audi 3.0 TDI V6 has more potential to sound better imo, the Inline 6 sounds very 'Truck like'.
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Search Piston Heads...the car has been talked about a lot on there.
Generally most people seem to get bored with the cars sound and power delivery though there is no doubting it's performance.
The Audi 3.0 TDI V6 has more potential to sound better imo, the Inline 6 sounds very 'Truck like'.
They sound very good once rolling, better than any 4 cylinder petrol I have owned anyway, as for power delivery, that's its best feature! No lag and pulls strong throughout rev range! But if pistonheads says so :signLOL:
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I agree great power delivery and sound nice IMO. Each too there own thou :signLOL:
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Search Piston Heads...the car has been talked about a lot on there.
Generally most people seem to get bored with the cars sound and power delivery though there is no doubting it's performance.
The Audi 3.0 TDI V6 has more potential to sound better imo, the Inline 6 sounds very 'Truck like'.
They sound very good once rolling, better than any 4 cylinder petrol I have owned anyway, as for power delivery, that's its best feature! No lag and pulls strong throughout rev range! But if pistonheads says so :signLOL:
It has a meaty sound to it just seems to drone a bit and yes 4 pots sound a little harsh when being pushed on.
As stated earlier the GTI and the 335D are very different animals.
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Not sure we are talking about same car here mate, drone??? But as said etto :happy2:
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Ive owned two 335D's - BORING! Relentless but uninvolving, with a sh*te gearbox. :happy2: Easy to go very quick in, that is all
thats kinda what it is though, easy to get from a to b fast and in comfort. what were you expecting from a 1600 kilo diesel? mx5 fun?
No and I don't mention MX5s or similar, but he is trying to compare a hot hatch with it and they are two entirely different vehicles. Lots of people in E90Post have purchased them as a drivers car and this they are not, in my humble opinion. The gearboxes are very sluggish, and paddles take forever when compared to a DSG setup. Mine were 2007 and 2010, the first being a tourer and mapped to 350BHP, running lowered suspension, 19" Alpina Wheels and non runflats, which I changed on both.
I would say try and get a long 24 hr* test drive in one to get a good feel for it.
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Ive owned two 335D's - BORING! Relentless but uninvolving, with a sh*te gearbox. :happy2: Easy to go very quick in, that is all
So just like an RS3 then? :laugh:
/ducks for cover
We're supposed to stick together as fellow A3 owners :P
But of course jealousy will get you everywhere :booty:
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Ive owned two 335D's - BORING! Relentless but uninvolving, with a sh*te gearbox. :happy2: Easy to go very quick in, that is all
So just like an RS3 then? :laugh:
/ducks for cover
We're supposed to stick together as fellow A3 owners :P
But of course jealousy will get you everywhere :booty:
Its impossible to be jealous of an RS3 when they only did it with 5 doors.
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Only pulling your plonker Oli. :happy2:
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How many of you going "you'll get bored of diesels" have actually owned one?
I've spent £15k+ on mine (5k of which is on engine and gearbox tuning, totalling including the purchase price is £20k+) and I'm not bored with it? And that's with only 221bhp.
There's always the petrol snob fratternity and it's pointless having a discussion with them. I can see the benefits of both types. My next car will be a petrol but only because I fancy an S3 or ED30. Not because I don't like diesels mind :grin:
Let's face it a 4wd Golf is hardly the most involving car in the world either, if anything the RWD would be more fun. The only downside is lack of a dual-clutch gearbox.
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How many of you going "you'll get bored of diesels" have actually owned one?
Er me, as Ive stated, and it was 350BHP!
Next question please.......... :laugh:
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Not bored of the 330D yet and still find it quick when I floor it, also just did a 2200 mile round trip to Austria (Snowboarding) and back (via Hockenheim and Nurburgring) and it really does eat up the miles, even with 4 up fully loaded with a roofbox (Ski's snowboards inside) it happily gave me 36.2mpg at 110mph on the Autobahns, I would shudder to think what the ED30 would have done (Probably around 20 at a guess) :signLOL:
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I don't think there's been that much Petrol snobbery in here and some Diesels are great.
For example the GTD has offered people GTI looks but with the better economy the CR170 offers.
There's two sides to every coin...you can get DERV owners banging on about Torque.
I think you will always get this competitiveness because the Diesel typically needs more work invested to bring it closer to equivalent petrol performance figures.
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The 335d is very good on fuel for the power and weight of the car but don't expect massive mpg. 35 combined and 40 on a run give or take.
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The 335d is very good on fuel for the power and weight of the car but don't expect massive mpg. 35 combined and 40 on a run give or take.
That's still more than my Cupra :D although with diesel costing around 10p more per litre than unleaded, it'll probably even out... Maybe
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The 335d is very good on fuel for the power and weight of the car but don't expect massive mpg. 35 combined and 40 on a run give or take.
I think I averaged 29mpg!
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I average 46-47 in the 330D :happy2:
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The 330d is a good car with much better mpg, much like the 120d compared to the 123d.
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Raised something I hadn't thought about in the 30/35d cars regarding the regular auto box... - I'd assumed they were all DCT stupidly.
Is it not enough to ruin the driving experience then?
I assume its the same as my mates 2009 325d drop-top auto has(?) as off the line, it shifts more than sufficiently. For a non-DCT box it didn't feel or sound lacking, but then I wasn't looking for it to be. Put a proper roof on, remove the run flats, map and an exhaust and I'd imagine it'd be quite a package.
Are the S-Tronic/DSG auto boxes in the A5 3.0TDI's vastly better? I've not driven either but I had scoped those two as possible next cars, years down the line.
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Are the S-Tronic/DSG auto boxes in the A5 3.0TDI's vastly better? I've not driven either but I had scoped those two as possible next cars, years down the line.
BMWs torque convertors (made by Zf if I remember?) aren't bad. The DSGs are in another league of goodness.
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I've read that the new 8 speed boxes in the F series BMW range are much improved over the 6 speed variant.
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Dsg is quicker yes, as far as I can see only one person has a problem with the box in the 335d, I'm sure if bmw thought a dual clutch system suited the car better they would have put one in, the car changes gear faster than I can do in a manual and is very smooth in d, so I like many others don't have a problem with it, but seen as they don't do a manual, just drive one and if you don't like, don't buy.
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Probably Torque requirements and possibly Petrol exclusivity kept the DCT out of the 35d.
Given the performance of the F30 330d I wonder if BMW will make another Twin Turbo Diesel...
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I've heard plenty of people who have suffered clutch problems on mapped 335ds, and 535ds.. mainly more on the 535ds, I guess because of the weight. There's a company in America apparently who can supply uprated clutch discs for the auto box!
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Probably Torque requirements and possibly Petrol exclusivity kept the DCT out of the 35d.
Given the performance of the F30 330d I wonder if BMW will make another Twin Turbo Diesel...
The m550d is tri turbo and the 40d is I think a tweaked 35d engine so yeah they will
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The m550d is not being sold in the UK...it would indeed be wasted on UK roads. It's very much an Autobahn machine.
Chris Harris did a video review of it:
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Amazing the m550d is only 190 odd bhp per tonne... a decent Stage 1 - 1.5 K04 is around 225 bhp per tonne. :surprised:
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The m550d is not being sold in the UK...it would indeed be wasted on UK roads. It's very much an Autobahn machine.
Chris Harris did a video review of it:
Lol, never said it was, but u can get that engine in the x6 and I think x5 in uk if your interested :happy2:
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3 turbos seems unnecessarily expensive and complicated. Especially when you consider the third turbo is there to help out the big charger under extreme circumstances... So it's not helping with smoothness but there for number chasing. How many hundreds of maps would it have in its brain?
God I'd hate see these motors when they're 10+ years old and things start going wrong, the bills will be huge.
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Well it would need 1 map, as it will control all 3 turbos based on load, throttle and revs.
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The 330d is a good car with much better mpg, much like the 120d compared to the 123d.
And the 330D can remap to around 330bhp too, only around 15-20bhp less than a remapped 335d :happy2:
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Well it would need 1 map, as it will control all 3 turbos based on load, throttle and revs.
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Driving it to wank mountain, classic!
We drove through a place called Bitch last week lol
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Well it would need 1 map, as it will control all 3 turbos based on load, throttle and revs.
:confused:
I'm sure it's the same for most modern cars, but when we used to program with the T7 suite on the Aero, there were a plethora of maps in the ECU for controlling a whole host of air / fuel related tasks. I think the number was in the hundreds for Trionic, and that's an old system now. A sophiscated 2012/13 car like the M550D is bound to have an ECU bursting with maps.
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3 turbos seems unnecessarily expensive and complicated. Especially when you consider the third turbo is there to help out the big charger under extreme circumstances... So it's not helping with smoothness but there for number chasing. How many hundreds of maps would it have in its brain?
God I'd hate see these motors when they're 10+ years old and things start going wrong, the bills will be huge.
not any harder to map than the new generation BMW edc17 stuff on the 5 series F10.
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The 330d is a good car with much better mpg, much like the 120d compared to the 123d.
And the 330D can remap to around 330bhp too, only around 15-20bhp less than a remapped 335d :happy2:
245 ps version? You would need more than a map to reach those figures surely...
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Yeah I think they map to about 335d standard figures stage 1 280 ish, I'm sure to get 330 bhp is dpf removal etc. could be wrong mind.
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Yeah I think they map to about 335d standard figures stage 1 280 ish, I'm sure to get 330 bhp is dpf removal etc. could be wrong mind.
Jason at BW reckons they get to 300 stage 1 and DPF removal and remap gives nearer 335
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Our stage 1 on the 245 BMW 3.0d engine makes 480ftlb and 330bhp. Peak gains with DPF removal are not much higher.
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PDT have you or do you know anyone mapping the F11 535d? Ive heard its pretty much impossible due to the new software used, but never say never. Cheers.
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yes, 2 places in the UK doing it. BWchiptune and us. Problem at present is the cost which is around £1499
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How come its costing so much to map them pal?
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Our stage 1 on the 245 BMW 3.0d engine makes 480ftlb and 330bhp. Peak gains with DPF removal are not much higher.
Straight from the Horses mouth, Celtic Tuning are also quoting 335bhp stage 1, altho heard horror stories of bodged soldering on Ecu's, not sure which dealer tho.
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heres a 330d (245bhp) that we did recently:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fvv184%2Famyhedley1%2FBMW-330D-245BHP_zps4e87359c.jpg&hash=eb3d38634ff080e343ebd7340060e4430c1ea790)
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Our stage 1 on the 245 BMW 3.0d engine makes 480ftlb and 330bhp. Peak gains with DPF removal are not much higher.
Straight from the Horses mouth, Celtic Tuning are also quoting 335bhp stage 1, altho heard horror stories of bodged soldering on Ecu's, not sure which dealer tho.
it was quite an infamous story that one, it was at celtic head office, car ended up going to Jason @ BWchiptune to be fixed.
The thing is, these ECU's dont need any soldering if you buy the right ECU probes and cables.
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Impressive numbers :congrats:
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Very impressive, it's making standard GTI max power at 2k RPM and by 3k RPM making more than an S2 K03! :surprised:
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Yeah, but its not all about numbers, you can't beat a well sorted hot hatch for driver involvement.
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Yeah, but its not all about numbers, you can't beat a well sorted hot hatch for driver involvement.
True a Good GTI on the twisty stuff is great but my std 330D leaves them for dead at the lights :signLOL:
Bit easy to get power down with RWD in all this rain we get :happy2: :happy2:
Gonna Get mine remapped soon I think, quite fancy having that power for some fun and surprising some cars :signLOL: