MK5 Golf GTI
General => Detailing => Topic started by: RedRobin on August 04, 2009, 12:18:42 am
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Those who know me know that I don't care about my swirls and chips etc, I'm just looking for a once-a-year protective coat which is extremely low maintenance apart from my usual occasional, weather permitting, 2 hour handwash or speed detailer to remove bird poo etc.
Zaino is a product which has been mentioned by a mate who thinks it would be realistically practical for what I'm like with my car.
As you guys here are such experts on such matters, I thought I'd also ask what you thought about Zaino. But please don't suggest I go for a whole perfection number on my car - You'd be wasting your breath - I can see the good reasoning but I'm just not interested in becoming a cleaning slave even if it is very rewarding. Also, I'd rather spend the money on lapping The Ring. I've witnessed friend Greenouse in the depths of an underground car park detailing his car at around 1 o'clock in the morning! Or was it SteveP? Or possibly both!
Thanks
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zaino z5 would be a good choice robin. I know you won't be interested in it taking too long but if your goin to do it, do it right first time round. You'll need a few coats and to clay the car before, to ensure the sealant bonds properly and lasts. If you want any further unconfusing advice, give me a call mate :)
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Hi Robin,
Zaino would be a good option for you, as it will last and cut down your need for subsequent time needed on the car, however, from our own personal experience we've found that Zaino can sometimes be a bit of a pain to use (just our opinion!).
If it's complete longevity you're after from a product, as well as ease of use and value for money (so you have more to spend at The Ring!) then might we suggest you try out our new sealant, which will easily last a year or more from the initial application, which in itself is very easy and should take no longer than an hour.
If you're interested in giving it a try we can get some sent out to you :happy2:
All the best
Taryn and Jim :smiley:
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we suggest you try out our new sealant
You can't just write that without posting up details. :drool:
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Hi Red :smiley:
In my opinion, Zaino would be ideal for you as you dont want to spend too much time detailing your car, but do expect what you use to make your car look special and perform without any fuss.
I would recommend you get your hands on some Zaino Z2 and some Z8 and see how that makes your Tornado Red shine!
Give the car a wash (and a quick clay if you can, makes the paint feel all silky and gets rid of any cling -ons), then when dry, apply the Z2 with an applicator. Give it half an hour to an hour to cure, buff it off with a cotton towelling type cloth, then finish it off with very light sprays of Z8 buffed up with a microfibre cloth.
This should last you a considerable time, be very easy to apply and remove, and look fantastic.
Then whenever you wash, you would find it a lot easier to clean, and when dried off simply lightly spray with the Z8 and buff off with the microfibre again, hey presto all clean and shiny :happy2:
I've used this very set up on mates and families cars, for those who want a good shine but dont want the hassle of white staining on their rubber parts and easy on/off.
I personally find the Zaino range fantastic, I'm a big fan, and use of most of their products, and I'm sure 182_Blue would agree with my findings.
I have tried many products, but keep going back to Zaino :happy2:
HTH :smiley:
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To save Confusion Robin, just pay someone to do it :happy2:
If you say you dont enjoy doing it, or cant be bothered to keep ontop of it, then pay someone to do a Once a year special work over, and wash it whichever way you feel best, whenever you feel like it or the weather looks good ( for a Change :mad:)
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Agreed Phil.
If you are going to do it then do it properly. You wouldnt buy coilovers for only the left wheels and leave the others standard would you?
Same with paintwork.
Mike
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Agreed Phil.
If you are going to do it then do it properly. You wouldnt buy coilovers for only the left wheels and leave the others standard would you?
Same with paintwork.
Mike
couldnt have put it better myself
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if you do it half hearted then its not worth it all, if its one of a year then pay someone good to do it.
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Hey! Thanks everyone! :drinking:
I may have given some of you the impression that I hate cleaning my car - I don't - It's just that after about 2 hours it then begins to feel a bit of a chore. I have spent 3 hours before now. I'm just trying to avoid doing something which subsequently forces me into too much of a lengthy regime or makes me feel I don't want to take the car out of my garage because the weather is filthy.
So, it seems clear to me that Zaino is very highly rated. The only other rival product would be Taryn&Jim's new sealant. I've a huge amount of respect for you guys (TnJ) and your dedication and enjoyment in what you do....BUT....I would need to know a bit more info about how this new sealent is better than Zaino which is already well proven.
Special Thanks to Jay for his advice on the phone just now :drinking:
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^ 2 days before, the car was all clean and shiny - Honestly!
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can i just say i love the stance of your car in your sig red...... looks clean too :signLOL:
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it looks like he's carrying a dead weight in the boot and leaving the scene at speed :surprised:
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it looks like he's carrying a dead weight in the boot and leaving the scene at speed :surprised:
That will be his zimmer frame! :laugh:
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can i just say i love the stance of your car in your sig red...... looks clean too :signLOL:
....Thank You, Newey!
BIALI mate Dan took the pic on Sunday and the car was fairly clean too. He uses Zaino on his R32 (nearest) too.
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And another showing off the stance even better : -
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[You really should not encourage me to post pics!]
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more pics the better i say..... i cant wait to have a stance like that on mine :driver:
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I create my own stance by eating one or three Pastys a day to give phylis that lowered look :happy2:
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I create my own stance by eating one or three Pastys a day to give phylis that lowered look :happy2:
Nice. :happy2:
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I stand by my recommendation and truly believe its just what you need Red. :star:
I'd never pay for something I could do myself, especially getting the satisfaction of a job well done! :drinking:
Z2 and Z8, they will sort you out nicely :happy2:
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I create my own stance by eating one or three Pastys a day to give phylis that lowered look :happy2:
Lol ! Very good !!!
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we suggest you try out our new sealant
You can't just write that without posting up details. :drool:
:grin: We're just working on some more in depth info, which will be loaded onto the shop when the product goes live so we'll keep you posted!
So, it seems clear to me that Zaino is very highly rated. The only other rival product would be Taryn&Jim's new sealant. I've a huge amount of respect for you guys (TnJ) and your dedication and enjoyment in what you do....BUT....I would need to know a bit more info about how this new sealent is better than Zaino which is already well proven.
We couldn't possibly pass comment as to whether it's a better or worse product than Zaino, however, our extensive tests have shown that the product is both extremely easy to use and provides outstanding results. We had our first sample of the finished formula and applied it to several test cars well over twelve months ago and the product is still holding up excellently. In terms of being well proven, this of course can only come with time and once people have tried and tested the sealant for themselves hopefully it will also become a very highly rated product!
Hope this helps!
Taryn and Jim :smiley:
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Thanx TnJ :happy2:
My question comparing with Zaino was more for myself and others to answer, rather than asking yourselves to comment - I totally understand how professional you are in not commenting on rival products.
I'm about to order some Zaino and am going for it because I'm a newbie and it's already proven. If your product was already out and others were reporting on it, I'd be considering it. However, I will be using your great big supersoft-softer-than-anything-else-I've-ever-touched go-to-bed-with cloth to buff.
Cheers, you two :drinking:
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Thanx TnJ :happy2:
My question comparing with Zaino was more for myself and others to answer, rather than asking yourselves to comment - I totally understand how professional you are in not commenting on rival products.
I'm about to order some Zaino and am going for it because I'm a newbie and it's already proven. If your product was already out and others were reporting on it, I'd be considering it. However, I will be using your great big supersoft-softer-than-anything-else-I've-ever-touched go-to-bed-with cloth to buff.
Cheers, you two :drinking:
Any updates Red? Looking forward to seeing a coat of Zaino on Tornado Red :happy2:
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Any updates Red? Looking forward to seeing a coat of Zaino on Tornado Red :happy2:
....Just a matter of allocating enough time during a good weather spell - Not a simple matter!
I'm going to try a patch with clay first to see what the score is. :happy2:
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Any updates Red? Looking forward to seeing a coat of Zaino on Tornado Red :happy2:
....Just a matter of allocating enough time during a good weather spell - Not a simple matter!
I'm going to try a patch with clay first to see what the score is. :happy2:
Great stuff!
With clay, I like to warm it up first, in a cup of hot water or similar. Tear a chunk off, rub it around in your hand and get it soft, as I find it will pick up more stuff when softened. Use plenty of lubricant, and you will be able to feel how smooth the paint is when it has done a proper job. You'll be quite surprised how much stuff it actually removes :happy2:
I use Megs last touch as a lubricant, some people use watered down car shampoo, and there are a lot of clay detailers, Megs QD etc.
Looking forward to hearing your findings.
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Yep, softening it up and using a lubricant is what I have been advised :happy2:
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Ky won't work as well in this instance though robin,
just stick to the bottle sold in the kit ;)
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Z-2 Pro on its way to me and Meg's Quick Clay Kit bought. Also, leak in my garage roof now mended - Actually extremely important!
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Looking forward to seeing how it goes ;)
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Latest is that I've got the Zaino Z-2 Pro and Meg's Quik Clay Kit so no more excuses except the weather.
Does it matter if I handwash my car one day, garage it, and clay another day? And do I have to buff soon after claying or can I wait another day before Zaino?
Thanks :drinking:
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Latest is that I've got the Zaino Z-2 Pro and Meg's Quik Clay Kit so no more excuses except the weather.
Does it matter if I handwash my car one day, garage it, and clay another day? And do I have to buff soon after claying or can I wait another day before Zaino?
Thanks :drinking:
Hi Red, hows it going bud?
If you wash and dry your car then put it in the Batcave, as long as its clean, then claying next should be ok. You just want to make sure there is no grit at all on the paint as it could scratch. Use lots of lube (que the jokes from the usual suspects...!)
Once you have clayed, all your surface protection will be removed, so its pretty important that you get some cover on as soon as, especially before going out into the big wide world!
What I'd do is wash and clay, say for example on a Saturday evening if you have nothing else planned. Have a good nights kip, then apply the Zaino on the Sunday morning, (20 mins for a GTI approx), give it half an hour, then buff it off.
Jobs a good-'un :happy2:
You will find the car a lot easier to wash and dry, next time around.
HTH.
Stuart
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Thanks for that, Stuart :happy2:
It really is a Batcave too - No electricity nor light and lots of spiders.
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Car very thoroughly handwashed yesterday and now in batcave. This morning it's very lightly drizzling - The sort which you can hardly see but it's in the air. It's expected to be dry this afternoon - If so I'll clay with Meg's QD.
Do I need to shampoo wash and dry the car again between clay and Zaino, please? Or just rinse and dry and Zaino?
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Hi Robin, you'd be ok claying in the rain, ive done it a lot! there's no issues with doing that.
And you can rinse the car, dry with your fluffy towel and you should be ready to zaino, if dry and no waterspots
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Hi Robin, you'd be ok claying in the rain, ive done it a lot! there's no issues with doing that.
And you can rinse the car, dry with your fluffy towel and you should be ready to zaino, if dry and no waterspots
Perfick :happy2:
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I've just finished my first Zaino coat!! :star: :pomppomp: :jumpmove:
I spent about 2hrs on Sunday handwashing - The car wasn't actually very dirty and had had a complete speed detailer going over a few times prior.
Today, after much procrastinating I eventually took the plunge. I was more nervous than my first lap of The Ring! Armed with half a clay bar (tiny!) and the Meg's QD spray I thought it would take forever but I soon got the knack and it began to look as if someone had cum all over my car! It took me about 3hrs.
Feeling confident I rinsed her with a gentle flat spray and wiped with 'waffle' cloth and then autoperfection's softer-than-soft drying cloth and started applying Zaino Z2 Pro with a Meg's foam applicator.
The Mk5 is nice in that there are easily defined body sections. Leaving about 20 minutes after application I then polished off with a Meg's Microfiber cloth. About 2 hrs for Z2 and polishing. And I'll do another layer tomorrow. She's now in her batcave and probably dazzling all the spiders.
She doesn't look hugely more shiny than before but she is silky smooooth to touch. The clay lifted stuff but not as much as I expected. She did have a £300 protective finish from my VW dealer originally.
For me I think this has been the perfect detailing - I can handle doing this twice a year and continue my handwash-only-when-dirty habit. I can live with swirls and the chips and marks from over 70k miles.
I'm very grateful for the superb advice here :drinking:
Pics when she's had her second Z2 coat and polish.
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Oh, and i did think of putting slices of cucumber on her wheels but even prize winning marrows weren't big enough.
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I promise to cum in your mouth :evilgrin:
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Well done robin. Make sure you leave 24 hrs between coats
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Ooops! That's good to know, Jay! I was gonna do it in the morning but will have time late afternoon (+24hrs) before I head out to the airport.
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Will it matter if I apply the second coat of Zaino Z2 after 22 hours rather than 24 hours later? (She's in her batcave)
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Hi Robin,
A good write up there, and I'm glad you enjoyed the Zaino. IMO you would be ok putting the second coat of Z2 22 hours later, it should be "cured" enough by then.
There is a product you can get from Zaino that is a cure accelerator, I've used it myself, but I just tend to do a couple of coats over a weekend than spend all day putting layers on.
http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/zaino/zfx-flash-cure-accelerator-additive/prod_465.html
You put some Z2 in a bottle, add some drops of the ZFX from the little blue bottle, shake to mix then apply as usual. You can put many layers on as it'll cure a heck of a lot faster. I found it works ok, but its a bit fussy.
I put a coat of Z2 on, then go and do the interior of the car, then put another coat on the next day :happy2:
I also take my wheels off and coat them in Z2 inside and out, makes a huge difference when you go to clean them.
The next time you wash the car, you should find its a lot easier to get it clean. :drinking:
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Cheers, Stuart :drinking:
It'll take a couple of days for CleanYourCar to get some accelerator to me though - I should have ordered some with the Z2.
Another question - If I apply the second coat of Z2 late afternoon (~22 hrs after first coat of yesterday), will it matter if I use the car tonight and it rains while I'm out?
Thanks :smiley:
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I did get onto the ZFX when we were talking robin. I didnt want to confuse things even more! with you saying you didnt want to spend much time on it, i assumed you wouldn't be putting a multitude of coats on?
is someone coming round to the detailing way? :) :star:
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Im still in total shock seeing Redrobin in a Detailing thread!!!!.
Looks like we are all moving out of our comfort zones lately :laugh:
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@ Jay:
Yes, you know me well! I could easily get confused by lots of product numbers etc. I think that just the 2 coats will be fine.
So, will it matter about going out tonight soon after a 2nd coat, please? If so, I'll leave the 2nd coat until tomorrow.
@ Phil:
Anyone would think I never ever cleaned my car! It's not that bad! (is it?). I don't plan on doing this more than twice a year. There's still some grime in a few crevices but all in good practical time. It'll never compete with your shinyness.
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i would always like to leave a coat at least 3-4 hours before touching or, or anything else touching it. but that's just me being a perfectionist. I can appreciate this isn't always practical.
I normally have 3-4 hours work left still to do on a car, after the last coat has gone on
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Cheers, Jay - Then I'll leave the 2nd coat until tomorrow and make sure she's clean and dry before applying it. She can then have 24hrs in the batcave as this week is a low mileage one (apart from tonight).
Only 40 miles last week but next week should rack up 300 and about 1,500 on The Ring trip - Hey! I just remembered you commin tooooo! Nice 1 - You'll hate it!! You're not allowed to inspect my cleaning efforts though!
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haha, i wont be worrying about your efforts! i know that its the most attention its had in the last few years, that alone is enough to satisfy me! ;)
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Fecker!! I handwash her whenever she's dirty and frequently wash the wheels anyway. Also, I speed detail any bird poo etc on a daily basis before tucking her up in her batcave.
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im only pulling your leg robin.
What i was trying to say is im pleased you have gone to the lengths you have with the zaino!
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sorry , but jay, your avatar deservers a thankyou :signLOL:
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your quite welcome mate,
I was worried about the moderators reaction to me changing it to that, but due to the fact most are childish, it wasnt deemed a problem! ;) :rolleye: :signLOL:
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your quite welcome mate,
I was worried about the moderators reaction to me changing it to that, but due to the fact most are childish, it wasnt deemed a problem! ;) :rolleye: :signLOL:
I think there is only one sain one being Shaun, the others are i agree shot to bits :P
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Cheers, Stuart :drinking:
It'll take a couple of days for CleanYourCar to get some accelerator to me though - I should have ordered some with the Z2.
Another question - If I apply the second coat of Z2 late afternoon (~22 hrs after first coat of yesterday), will it matter if I use the car tonight and it rains while I'm out?
Thanks :smiley:
Hi Robin,
If I understand this properly, you are asking if its ok to take the car out just after you've applied the Zaino? If you have just polished the car and arent going to layer any more Z2 on it, IMO you are good to go straight out, I do!
If you are going to order some ZFX, and trust me on this, order a bottle of Z8 if your budget will allow. Its fantastic, it really is. I use it like a speed detailer for the occasional "touch up" and refresher. It adds something extra to the shine as well as smelling great and making your paintwork as smooth as a well lubricated....you get the idea !!! :love:
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"Smelling great", "smooth", "well lubricated" - Yes, I'm getting the idea! But I would benefit from some practice with a hot Babe :evilgrin:.
I've stroked her this morning in her batcave and she's soooo smooooth! :love:
No time to 2nd coat now before going out - I must cook dinner.
Methinks I'll take more of your advice and order some ZFX and Z8...........(or should I save the money for my OZ LeggyRita's?).
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"Smelling great", "smooth", "well lubricated" - Yes, I'm getting the idea! But I would benefit from some practice with a hot Babe :evilgrin:.
I've stroked her this morning in her batcave and she's soooo smooooth! :love:
No time to 2nd coat now before going out - I must cook dinner.
Methinks I'll take more of your advice and order some ZFX and Z8...........(or should I save the money for my OZ LeggyRita's?).
Getting in to this detailing lark are we? :innocent: :grin:
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I could get really into it now and advise against the z8. it's great on it's own but it can work to compromise the work you,ve just put in with the z2. It won't add to the finish I promise, 2 coats of z2 with a quick detailer on to tidy up any bits will leave it as good as anything.
For anyone who wants to know why, z8 is primarily a spray and wipe sealant for untreated paint. In that application, it's absolutely brilliant. Now, I suspect there are some solvents in there which are there to ensure an even coverage. There's nothing wrong with having solvents in, there important in a spray sealant. But as you can imagine, these will have a detrimental effect on any underlying protection. Now, these might be small, but when you consider the work you've put in, in applying two coats, you won't want anything taking away from it.
In it's own field, as a spray sealant z8 is great, but over existing sealant, not so great. It's hardly going to dissolve your z2 in seconds, but it would be careless to say it won't have any effect.
Sorry if that's a ramble, I've typed it on my iPhone.
I've tried to present it in a way where each reader can decide for themselves how to take the advice, but it's all worth bearing in mine after sweating your nads off applying z2!
Happy detailing
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@ Greenie :
Never ever to the extent where I'm detailing in an underground car park in a foreign country at 2am! Familiar scene? :happy2:
@ Jay :
Methinks I'll stick with a 2nd coat of Z2 tomorrow and put the money I save towards those rims.
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I could get really into it now and advise against the z8. it's great on it's own but it can work to compromise the work you,ve just put in with the z2. It won't add to the finish I promise, 2 coats of z2 with a quick detailer on to tidy up any bits will leave it as good as anything.
For anyone who wants to know why, z8 is primarily a spray and wipe sealant for untreated paint. In that application, it's absolutely brilliant. Now, I suspect there are some solvents in there which are there to ensure an even coverage. There's nothing wrong with having solvents in, there important in a spray sealant. But as you can imagine, these will have a detrimental effect on any underlying protection. Now, these might be small, but when you consider the work you've put in, in applying two coats, you won't want anything taking away from it.
In it's own field, as a spray sealant z8 is great, but over existing sealant, not so great. It's hardly going to dissolve your z2 in seconds, but it would be careless to say it won't have any effect.
Sorry if that's a ramble, I've typed it on my iPhone.
I've tried to present it in a way where each reader can decide for themselves how to take the advice, but it's all worth bearing in mine after sweating your nads off applying z2!
Happy detailing
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Hi JPC,
Apologies and no disrepect meant, but I have to totally disagree with that statement.
I have used Z8 for well over a year now, and from my own personal experiance, and from reading about it on Detailing World from seeing how the 'pro's use it, I can say you are wrong in this instance.
My argument is substansiated by the following,
Taken from the Zaino website, link below
"Z-8 Grand Finale™ Spray Seal:
Leaves a high gloss, high shine, deep, rich, wet finish thanks to advanced optical-clarifying polymers
Leaves an ultra-slick finish that repels dust, dirt, environmental fallout and other stains
Locks in the improved looks and protection for weeks - not days
Contains anti-UV agents to protect your vehicle's finish against damaging sun rays
Is easy to use: wipe on, wipe off
Is intended for special occasions and events only; it is not a Z-6 replacement
Should be used in conjunction with the Zaino Show Car Polish System, including Z-2 PRO, Z-3 or Z-5
http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=Z-8&Category_Code=Zaino
There is also a very useful guide below (from DW) to Zaino as people often get the wrong info about how/when to use each product.
http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=30674
Can you let me know how you came to these conclusions, was it from advise or from personal experiance?
I'm not trying to start an arguement here, and wouldn't have replied unless I was totally convinced it makes a HUGE difference to the longevity and shine of a car with Z2 or Z5 or even the AIO product on.
Stuart :happy2:
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I used it for years too mate but now I stay away when it comes to z8 on top of wax or sealants.
I was just as convinced as you but I kind of lost site of how much the protection had broken down.
I was the same in that i was thinking "oh it feels so soft etc" but its a spray sealant, course its going to feel like that, if its freshly applied. BUT.......a sealant thats been properly applied and maintained (z2 or z5) should stay like that for months. And i bet if you have been using z8 after a wash, then next time you come to feel the paint, it doesnt feel as smooth as it did when you applied then original sealant.
Its a great product, but i dont condone the use of it as a quick detailer. This is me ignoring the advice on DW, these are mainly based on people following everyone else. Thats not me though. I dont want to sound abrupt, but I dont care what the manufacturer's website says, remember its there to mainly sell more and more products?
If you want, Get some wax and spray it with z8, see what happens.
I tend not to follow sheep with detailing and develop my own ways of working. This is one of them. If you really want to put it to the test, see how 6 month old zaino beads next to 6 month old zaino that's had a z8 "top up". You'll find the untouched one beads much better. Now add that to how much they sell z for, and how you'd go thru your bottle of z2 quicker. As I said before, you can take it or leave it, I'm not fulling z8 out. I'm just saying in the long run, you better not using it.
And as said, it's not going to strip it like isopropyl alcohol, but it has the potential to be a pointless step to undo any effort you have put in.
Btw...if your talking about Pros On Detailing word, Im one of them haha!
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I also take my wheels off and coat them in Z2 inside and out, makes a huge difference when you go to clean them.
....I'm about to buy some new OZ Alleggerita Titanium finish rims (without rubber) - I'll be putting some Z2 on them before they go on the car!
2nd coat Z2 on car body today and then batcave for 24hrs. Was out on an airfield around midnight last night - Parked up with a large BMW and put it to shame! The night air condensation formed teeny-weeny bubbles on my roof.
I'm gonna keep it simple and stay with the Z2.
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2nd coat of Z2 now done and car in batcave for 24hrs.
The Z2 hasn't got rid of swirls but they do appear less obvious.
I'm even wondering if there's any point applying a 3rd coat of Z2 - What do you experts think?
Pics will be posted very soon 8)
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:congrats: :congrats: im still in shock!!. Cant wait to see her throbbin at its best :happy2:
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:congrats: :congrats: im still in shock!!. Cant wait to see her throbbin at its best :happy2:
+1 hurry up with those pics :)
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Here goes! The lighting angles weren't best because I didn't want to drive the car elsewhere for better pic reflections until her 24hrs is up. But you get an idea hopefully.
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I haven't Zaino'd the wheels yet - That's next.
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Top work, it really does look fantastic. Tornado Red is a good colour for the GTI, especially looking as clean and shiny as that . :happy2:
I'm proud of you Red Leader :star:
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:congrats: :wink: :happy2:
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Thanks for all your advice, guys :drinking:
I found the claying a bit tedious and also having to watch the weather but I enjoyed applying the Zaino.
Wheels next! That Smoked Chrome should come up well.
I'm gonna Zainol my OZ LeggyRita's before they go on the car - Inside and outside.
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:surprised: :surprised: :surprised: :surprised:
:congrats: :wink: :happy2:
X2,
nice work Robin. Where can you buy this Zaino stuff from?
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looking good Robin :happy2:
problem is with this cleaning/detailing gig is it becomes addictive, you start by gettin 2 buckets and a mit, before you know it you've got some posh shampoo, snow foam lance etc etc etc
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looking good Robin :happy2:
problem is with this cleaning/detailing gig is it becomes addictive, you start by gettin 2 buckets and a mit, before you know it you've got some posh shampoo, snow foam lance etc etc etc
dont i know it, i have a double sized tool chest thats bolted to my passageway at my house full of cleaning stuff now!! :ashamed:
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I'm the same pal, had to re-arrange the garage, put up more shelves and stuff, had to hide the receipt from a supplier the other day :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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nice work Robin. Where can you buy this Zaino stuff from?
....Here you go, my friend : - Linky : - Zaino Z2 Pro Car Polish.... (http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/zaino/z-2-pro-show-car-sealant-for-clear-coated-car-finishes/prod_466.html)
Was delivered very quickly (couple of days). Have used less than a quarter bottle for 2 coats.
I used a purple foam Meg's applicator (squeeze bit of Z2 onto it and apply) and a Meg's Microfibre cloth to polish. BIALI Boy Roy told me what to use - He's an ace detailer.
HTH :drinking: Robin
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looking good :congrats:
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Robin giving detailing advice, I've seen it all now! :grin: :grin: :congrats:
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You deserve a Thankyou Robin :drinking:. Item saved for up coming Needed Purchases or "Must haves" list come payday :happy2:
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looks great red. you cant beat a clean tornado red ;)
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I've been harping on about Zaino to you guys for ages, and finally someone took the plunge :happy2:
Brings a little tear to my eye!
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Looks great mate.
If the Tornado Red car I'm picking up today, cleans up as well I'll be well chuffed :happy2:
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Looks cracking there :congrats: :congrats:
looking good Robin :happy2:
problem is with this cleaning/detailing gig is it becomes addictive, you start by gettin 2 buckets and a mit, before you know it you've got some posh shampoo, snow foam lance etc etc etc
This is a to true statment I started in that exact same way and now having to clear space myself to fit it all in
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I've been harping on about Zaino to you guys for ages, and finally someone took the plunge :happy2:
....Jay uses it I think. But his and your recommendations (plus a BIALI mate) were enough to make me go for it.
I'll probably put on a 3rd coat when the weather improves.
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Looks cracking there :congrats: :congrats:
looking good Robin :happy2:
problem is with this cleaning/detailing gig is it becomes addictive, you start by gettin 2 buckets and a mit, before you know it you've got some posh shampoo, snow foam lance etc etc etc
This is a to true statment I started in that exact same way and now having to clear space myself to fit it all in
....I've had a lambswool mitt, posh shampoo, various special towels and speed detailers for at least 3 years and I haven't gone further. This clay and Zaino thing I've just done is only something I'll do a couple of times a year for protective reasons.
What's a snow foam lance? :wink:
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A snow foam lance is one of these puppies
http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/washing-and-drying/foam-lance-various-fittings/prod_371.html
You attach it to your hose or pressure cleaner, fill the bottle up with "Snow Foam" or similar. The water picks up the snow foam and makes it like a thick blanket of suds. The suds slide off carrying all the dirt/grit with them. I use the Gilmour Foamaster 2 and Meguiars Hyperwash, it does a great job :happy2:
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Thanks, Stuart! I was joking when I asked what a snow foam lance is.
The nearest I can get my car to the house for washing is at least 60ft by running a hose from my utility room through the garden - The resulting pressure is just right for flat spray handwashing but not for a lance I imagine.
I'm not seriously wanting to start going that far with detailing. However, I will apply a 3rd coat of Zaino if the weather stays fine today - For protection rather than polish.
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great stuff Robin, im glad your Still enthused to apply the 3rd coat! make sure its nice and clean and dry! ;)
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JPC, I was aware you were on DW, I've been on there for over 3 years myself bud :happy2:
Ok so we dont agree on Z8, but how do you feel about Z-CS? I spent all last night and today polishing the mother - in - laws ford Puma, eventually layered 2 coats of ZXF'd Z2, left to cure a couple of hours then topped it off with Z-CS. It was as smooth as silk and looked absolutely fantastic, I was really pleased with it. I didn't use any Z8 on it on purpose, wanting to see how long this type of protection lasts. (It says up to 9 months on the bottle).
Apologies for going a bit off thread Red Leader, but I was thinking about suggesting this to you for your next step in the slippery slope that is detailing :laugh:
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Thanks, Stuart! I was joking when I asked what a snow foam lance is.
The nearest I can get my car to the house for washing is at least 60ft by running a hose from my utility room through the garden - The resulting pressure is just right for flat spray handwashing but not for a lance I imagine.
I'm not seriously wanting to start going that far with detailing. However, I will apply a 3rd coat of Zaino if the weather stays fine today - For protection rather than polish.
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Doh, I should have known that you knew what a snow foam lance was. Silly veedub lol!
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Apologies for going a bit off thread Red Leader, but I was thinking about suggesting this to you for your next step in the slippery slope that is detailing :laugh:
....Not "off thread" by my standards! It's all good info.
No problem on the detailing slippery slope for me! : -
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.grough.co.uk%2Fimages%2Fstories%2Fcrampon5.jpg&hash=a941350f666c8e9528193d8f51352913ccb66e4c)
However, the modding slippery slope is a different matter! Much more difficult to resist : -
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.nikonians.org%2Farchives%2FMichelleKwan.jpg&hash=6c84d689aad95f82f2e68693468b9e965bca7b66)
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Red, you truly have a picture for every situation :happy2:
Hows the car looking now?
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I used to be an Art Director / Picture Editor 8).
That's ice star Michelle Kwan - I have a weakness for ladies from the Orient.
My beloved throbbin' red car has been in her batcave since I applied the 2nd coat of Z2 a few days ago. Some weeks I only do 40 miles and others can be 800.
I was going to do a 3rd coat but the last 2 days have had occasional drizzle. Tomorrow might be finer.
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I was thinking about your Bat Cave today. If you cant get electric in there, how about a 12V battery hooked up to some lights? You could take the battery out every month and charge it up, and if you chose the right lights it could last quite some time before needing a recharge. Winters coming and I guess you'd appreciate some extra lighting when the nights draw in.
Also, if your garage has a downpipe taking rainwater away from the roof, how about a water butt and a battery operated pump? There are some really good ones available now, I'm looking at a similar solution for my Bat Cave as my water bill is astronomical.
I'll post my findings up here as I'm going all "environmental" lately :smiley:
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Need I worry about you spending your leisure time thinking about my Bat Cave, Stuart? Does your wifey/gf wonder why you feverishly utter the word in your sleeptalk? And hopefully not at other intimate times!! :grin:
Funnily enough I've just been out picking my daughter up (Dad's Teenager Taxi) and dropped her by the house and without thinking I said I was just going to put the car away in the Bat Cave. On hearing this her jaw dropped open and she asked me what I meant, so I had to explain it was due to my 'car mates' and my name being Robin as in Batman.
Anyway, the Bat Cave as it is now permanently known, hardly has room for a 12V battery due to all my exclusively car gear (oem bonnet, 17" Monza's, oem exhaust, oem brakes, etc etc etc etc) stored in there. Also, I don't need light in it because I only have room to squeeze in and out of the driver's seat and can't do anything in there. No drain pipes on it either. I own my house and garden but the garage is rented due to strange property deeds.
But I appreciate your thinking to help :drinking:
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Just to report that nearly a month later and only 2 coats of Zaino (a 3rd coat when circumstances allow) I am very pleased indeed. Wet 'n dirty weather and lorry spray is better resisted and the car is generally easier to keep clean using speed detailer. The really bad weather is yet to come but clearly Zaino will give extra protection.
She's not going to win any Show 'n Shine competition but that's not my scene. A couple of day's work on her has resulted in the benefit of lower maintenance.
Many Thanks to those who encouraged and helped with advice :drinking:
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No problems robin
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Have to say thanks as well - got hold of some Zaino and had the chance to get one application on the car at the weekend. Couldn't believe how easy it was to apply and rub off - pleased with results too - photos don't really do it justice (only taken on the iphone you see!).
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ff12%2FWhiteHartMart%2FIMG_0969.jpg&hash=3854a76ed963456ce47236e7c7d43251fc80c207)
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Will try to get a couple of applications on next time! :happy2:
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Whaheeey!! RedRobin is getting out the clay and Z again!
There's a bright blue sky'd sunny day all day today so I'm grasping the opportunity with both hands.
Having now done it once before I'm feeling much more confident. I've just re-read this thread and everyone was extremely helpful - Thx guys :drinking:
I'll doubtless post some pics here in due course.
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Go-on Red :happy2:
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Bright and sunny but cold all day today and I managed to handwash and claybar but not start any Zaino coats yet. The car is tucked up in the Batcave until another dry day when I can start Zaino-ing. It's supposed to be very wet and windy tomorrow.
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A day without rain at last.. Managed to rinse and Zaino first coat today after Meg's Quik Clay all yesterday (or was it Thursday).
Question please:
Is 2 hours enough time before applying a second Zaino coat (no accelerator being used)? - Thx :happy2:
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you need 24 hours between coats robin. thats a Guideline for north America too, so in england at this time of year, id take it as a minimum.
What will happen if you dont leave the right time, is.... Youll be shifting around the first coat, rather than building on top of it.
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I managed to get 3 coats on with 24hrs between each. The 3rd coat seems shinier.
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I managed to get 3 coats on with 24hrs between each. The 3rd coat seems shinier.
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I managed to get 3 coats on with 24hrs between each. The 3rd coat seems shinier.
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....She's tucked up in her Batcave. If I go out today I'll take some pics but she won't ever be as shiny as yours usually is, Steve!
Super smooooth to the touch though. :happy2:
I really like Zaino - Easy to apply and rewarding to polish, and smells nice too.
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^ No Photoshop manipulations on any of the pics.
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No manipulation? So who took the last pic if it wasn't you? :signLOL:
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No manipulation? So who took the last pic if it wasn't you? :signLOL:
....A friend who was riding shotgun, but on my camera. :happy2: