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General => Random Chat => Topic started by: Deako on June 05, 2013, 07:51:47 am
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At last, middle lane hoggers on empty motorways will get penalised. However, will this be seen as a license to print money? How will it be policed accurately? Will there always be video proof? If i overtake someone, and a couple of hundred metres ahead, a truck is slow moving and i choose to stay in the middle lane until i overtake the truck, who determines that its ok?
http://news.sky.com/story/1099507/middle-lane-hogs-face-100-on-the-spot-fines
I think its great that bad driving is being looked at, and should be a target for motorway police. As long as there are very clear guidelines. We know how much the law is sometimes open to interpretation by the police.
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As with anything the individual will always have the right to question the decision. It will be up to the police to prove it. I would imagine it will need video evidence.
For me it's long overdue.
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A massive pet hate of mine, get so frustrated when I have to change from lane 1 to 3 and back because some idiot is in the middle lane doing 50!
Hope the people that do it become aware and change their driving habits rather than the odd person being told off by PC Plod
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As with anything the individual will always have the right to question the decision. It will be up to the police to prove it. I would imagine it will need video evidence.
For me it's long overdue.
What about Section19, you don't get any say in that and that's been open to abuse for some time.
Middle lane hogging, should be based on time I guess, but I agree very difficult to Police.
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I don't think you can base it on time.
It would need video evidence as mentioned. I think it's more to stop people endlessly sitting on the middle lane like here.......
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This sounds like it is going to be very difficult to police!
Although I do agree that something needed to be done.
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As with anything the individual will always have the right to question the decision. It will be up to the police to prove it. I would imagine it will need video evidence.
For me it's long overdue.
What about Section19, you don't get any say in that and that's been open to abuse for some time.
Middle lane hogging, should be based on time I guess, but I agree very difficult to Police.
Section 19 of what act ?
Don't you mean 59 ??
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They'll be more threads starting "Caught Middle Lane Hogging"....THATS for sure :driver:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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I read it was going to be assessed over 1/2 a mile
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As with anything the individual will always have the right to question the decision. It will be up to the police to prove it. I would imagine it will need video evidence.
For me it's long overdue.
What about Section19, you don't get any say in that and that's been open to abuse for some time.
Middle lane hogging, should be based on time I guess, but I agree very difficult to Police.
Not sure what you are referring to. But you can appeal any decision. Not saying you're going to win, but you can still appeal it.
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It sounds good providing video evidence is there to back up the claim, which shouldn't be a problem in tailgating or middle lane hogging.
I think part of the problem is that people get no tuition at all on how to drive on motorways, so often people are not aware of the need to pull over when not overtaking. There should be a compulsory Motorway guidance session after you pass your test. Doesn't apply to tailgaters though, they are just idiots!
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It sounds good providing video evidence is there to back up the claim, which shouldn't be a problem in tailgating or middle lane hogging.
I think part of the problem is that people get no tuition at all on how to drive on motorways, so often people are not aware of the need to pull over when not overtaking. There should be a compulsory Motorway guidance session after you pass your test. Doesn't apply to tailgaters though, they are just idiots!
Very good point :happy2: I said the same thing in a discussion I was having with a couple of mates getting pissed off about motorway drivers.
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When I passed (7 years ago now :laugh: ) I completed pass plus afterwards, gave me motorway driving lessons and it was one of the main things I was taught, if not overtaking stay to the left, only be in lane 2/3 etc for overtaking or going faster than other road users!
Should be made compulsory
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When I passed (7 years ago now :laugh: ) I completed pass plus afterwards, gave me motorway driving lessons and it was one of the main things I was taught, if not overtaking stay to the left, only be in lane 2/3 etc for overtaking or going faster than other road users!
Should be made compulsory
I did the same. Mine was mostly all motorway based as I needed to use them to see family etc and wanted some experience. Like other have said its long overdue.
I've had it on sections of the M1 which is now 4 lanes where you get someone in lane 2 or 3 with no one else around them and have to change 4 lanes just to go around them. Something needed to be done. I think in alot of cases its awareness of the rules regarding lane discipline that people don't understand.
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When I passed (7 years ago now :laugh: ) I completed pass plus afterwards, gave me motorway driving lessons and it was one of the main things I was taught, if not overtaking stay to the left, only be in lane 2/3 etc for overtaking or going faster than other road users!
Should be made compulsory
I don't think pass plus should be mandatory. I think some sort of motorway training would be ideal however it's not really that hard to understand is it?
Use the left-most lane when possible at all times.
Don't think you need to pay an addition £400 for some further lessons to work that out! :happy2:
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I don't think pass plus should be mandatory. I think some sort of motorway training would be ideal however it's not really that hard to understand is it?
Use the left-most lane when possible at all times.
Don't think you need to pay an addition £400 for some further lessons to work that out! :happy2:
Price has gone up then :surprised:
I paid £125, was with the same instructor that taught me to drive and was for 6 hours! Driving in dark, rain, motorways, and a few other parts.
Definitely should be put in the theory test!
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I must admit, I tend to stay in the middle lane longer than I probably should do after overtaking, especially if there is another vehicle a few hundred yards ahead. Although I'm not exactly a middle lane hogger, or doing 50mph. :laugh:
However if there are two vehicles 150m apart it would take more than half a mile to overtake the second vehicle if it was doing 60mph and I was doing 70mph, so I'd fall foul of the law given video evidence over half a mile, BUT if I pulled in after overtaking the first car and leaving a 50m gap before doing so, I'd be too close to the vehicle in front! :confused:
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Whats wrong with this is that if your on your mobile phone talking to someone or texting them then you get the same fine as someone driving in the middle lane of a motorway,surely you have more chance of causing a crash when on your mobile ??
The phone fine should be upped imho
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The phone fine is being increased, or so it said on the news today.
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Whats wrong with this is that if your on your mobile phone talking to someone or texting them then you get the same fine as someone driving in the middle lane of a motorway,surely you have more chance of causing a crash when on your mobile ??
The phone fine should be upped imho
The middle lane fine should be lowered to a nominal £30. Enough to deter people if caught, but not too much as to bankrupt someone if they are strapped for cash. Fines for mobile users should definitely be upped too as it is dangerous. Hogging the middle lane isn't exactly dangerous, it is just annoying for car users and downright pisses off lorry drivers who can't use the outer lane.
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I think if the lanes are all free then should be able to stay in the middle. Saves having to move from left to middle back to left at every sliproad and service station. If the roads start to clogg up then yeah reapply the stay left rule tho.
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The phone fine is being increased, or so it said on the news today.
"Current fixed penalties for using a phone while driving or not wearing a seatbelt will also rise by £40 to £100."
BBC News
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I think if the lanes are all free then should be able to stay in the middle. Saves having to move from left to middle back to left at every sliproad and service station. If the roads start to clogg up then yeah reapply the stay left rule tho.
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Sorry let me just be clear.
Save yourself the HASSLE of moving lanes?
If you can't drive in the correct lane at 2am then I severely doubt you are going to drive in the correct lane at 5pm in rush hour.
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I think if the lanes are all free then should be able to stay in the middle. Saves having to move from left to middle back to left at every sliproad and service station. If the roads start to clogg up then yeah reapply the stay left rule tho.
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Sorry let me just be clear.
Save yourself the HASSLE of moving lanes?
If you can't drive in the correct lane at 2am then I severely doubt you are going to drive in the correct lane at 5pm in rush hour.
Correct there Jay. The BBC had a qoute saying that people feel """safer""" sitting in the middle lane. When I was passenger on the drove up to Harrogate on the weekend I looked at each driver just 'sat' in the middle to try and gauge any reaction (ie: where were they looking/hand position on steering wheel/any head movement checking mirrors). Yes, I have about 4 seconds per driver but a common trait was........hand locked at 10-2, dead stare straight, no movement to check blind spots/ mirrors. Yes a very crude test, but as said above, this to me says, I don't want to be here and i'm scared. More training is a potential answer but don't think it'll work with lots. I genuinely don't know what i'd do.
As for evidence for the offences. All it needs now is a police officer to witness some bad driving, think that's enough to prosecute, stop driver, report to court and officer does a QUALITY statement and report thing. Forwarded to traffic people who get the court to summons. Nothing will change. It'll be like any other ticket. As it's a 3 points ticket the quality of evidence will need to be good. Problem atm is alot of people just accept tickets. If challenged to court, alot of tickets would be cancelled. As most ticket get paid, police officers don't generally write good statements as it's another thing to do before they clock off. In the case of the new ticket for careless driving, if you get one and think hang on, that's not very fair, take it to court and you'll be sent the evidence. If the evidence doesn't prove the offence beyond reasonable doubt then it'll be easy to get it binned. All you need to do is bring in an element of doubt.
Video evidence is good, but not necessary, but of course if we're talking about motorways generally you will be videod.
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I must admit.... it does feel safer in the middle lane when doing 17 leptons... :evilgrin:
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I think if the lanes are all free then should be able to stay in the middle. Saves having to move from left to middle back to left at every sliproad and service station. If the roads start to clogg up then yeah reapply the stay left rule tho.
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Sorry let me just be clear.
Save yourself the HASSLE of moving lanes?
If you can't drive in the correct lane at 2am then I severely doubt you are going to drive in the correct lane at 5pm in rush hour.
not sure I said I do it.I drove in the slow lane when on the motorway most of the time anyway as have little boy. Also you have no idea of my driving ability good or bad...... Thanks for you reply tho. It was just my opinion.
Iv never been on the motorway and thought dam that person in middle lane move over to the left... Not my business what other drivers do.
I no some people get angry about middle lane driving to the point of road rage but I'm not too bothered. I can see a lot more congestion because less people will use the middle lane.
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I hate middle lane hoggers because they tend not to be thinking about what's around them, as pointed out above. If they're too afraid to drive on the motorway, perhaps they shouldn't be there?
FWIW I passed my test during uni but didn't start driving until a little later. I did what was essentially pass plus and it gave me much more confidence. I also did six hours' motorway driving with parents and was happy to drive solo thereafter.
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I think if the lanes are all free then should be able to stay in the middle. Saves having to move from left to middle back to left at every sliproad and service station. If the roads start to clogg up then yeah reapply the stay left rule tho.
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Sorry let me just be clear.
Save yourself the HASSLE of moving lanes?
If you can't drive in the correct lane at 2am then I severely doubt you are going to drive in the correct lane at 5pm in rush hour.
Correct there Jay. The BBC had a qoute saying that people feel """safer""" sitting in the middle lane. When I was passenger on the drove up to Harrogate on the weekend I looked at each driver just 'sat' in the middle to try and gauge any reaction (ie: where were they looking/hand position on steering wheel/any head movement checking mirrors). Yes, I have about 4 seconds per driver but a common trait was........hand locked at 10-2, dead stare straight, no movement to check blind spots/ mirrors. Yes a very crude test, but as said above, this to me says, I don't want to be here and i'm scared. More training is a potential answer but don't think it'll work with lots. I genuinely don't know what i'd do.
As for evidence for the offences. All it needs now is a police officer to witness some bad driving, think that's enough to prosecute, stop driver, report to court and officer does a QUALITY statement and report thing. Forwarded to traffic people who get the court to summons. Nothing will change. It'll be like any other ticket. As it's a 3 points ticket the quality of evidence will need to be good. Problem atm is alot of people just accept tickets. If challenged to court, alot of tickets would be cancelled. As most ticket get paid, police officers don't generally write good statements as it's another thing to do before they clock off. In the case of the new ticket for careless driving, if you get one and think hang on, that's not very fair, take it to court and you'll be sent the evidence. If the evidence doesn't prove the offence beyond reasonable doubt then it'll be easy to get it binned. All you need to do is bring in an element of doubt.
Video evidence is good, but not necessary, but of course if we're talking about motorways generally you will be videod.
I was reading that report earlier. :smiley:
Personally I don't think that is an excuse. You are not really any further away from a verge/fence/barrier in the middle lane than you are the inside lane, taking into account the hard-shoulder. :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:
In effect you are simply changing which "side" you have more space on.... It's still no excuse.
I agree with your findings, normally they are the "stare ahead, 10-2 position" driver, but is that an excuse? They are so blind/ignorant of what's going on around them that they are not able to follow the most simple, basic of rules that, as drivers, we should be abiding by?
My personal believe is if you are scared of driving on the motorway, stick to the inside lane and do 55-60 the lorrys. Or don't drive on them at all.
Middle lane hoggers DO cause congestion, cars in the 3rd lane cannot go past slower moving vehicles, who have been forced out, they cut up other cars in order to get past, causing vehicles behind to brake, etc etc. :surprised:
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As with anything the individual will always have the right to question the decision. It will be up to the police to prove it. I would imagine it will need video evidence.
For me it's long overdue.
What about Section19, you don't get any say in that and that's been open to abuse for some time.
Middle lane hogging, should be based on time I guess, but I agree very difficult to Police.
Section 19 of what act ?
Don't you mean 59 ??
Yeap 59... no evidence required.
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I must admit.... it does feel safer in the middle lane when doing 17 leptons... :evilgrin:
For the purposes of clarity 1 lepton = 4.117 mph :wink: :signLOL:
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I must admit.... it does feel safer in the middle lane when doing 17 leptons... :evilgrin:
For the purposes of clarity 1 lepton = 4.117 mph :wink: :signLOL:
(just had to do the maths on that one... :signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL: )
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I must admit.... it does feel safer in the middle lane when doing 17 leptons... :evilgrin:
For the purposes of clarity 1 lepton = 4.117 mph :wink: :signLOL:
(just had to do the maths on that one... :signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL: )
Thanks for clarifying Hurdy and Rich :happy2: Lepton is also a small village east of Huddersfield
This is along time coming.
I drive 60miles a day on the M5 and encounter plenty of middle laners daily (usually the same vehicles)
They are a nuisance they hold up the vehicles that want to make progress and are an accident waiting to happen.
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2 things:
1) Presumably you're still aloud to tailgate middle lane-hoggers, otherwise how will they learn?
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2) The middle lane is very useful for a) texting, b) typing addresses into satnavs, d) looking at clips of cats falling off radiators on Facebook and d) safer driving whilst getting a blowie off the Mrs.
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Introduce undertaking and minimum speed limits :pomppomp:
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I think if the lanes are all free then should be able to stay in the middle. Saves having to move from left to middle back to left at every sliproad and service station. If the roads start to clogg up then yeah reapply the stay left rule tho.
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Sorry let me just be clear.
Save yourself the HASSLE of moving lanes?
If you can't drive in the correct lane at 2am then I severely doubt you are going to drive in the correct lane at 5pm in rush hour.
not sure I said I do it.I drove in the slow lane when on the motorway most of the time anyway as have little boy. Also you have no idea of my driving ability good or bad...... Thanks for you reply tho. It was just my opinion.
Iv never been on the motorway and thought dam that person in middle lane move over to the left... Not my business what other drivers do.
I no some people get angry about middle lane driving to the point of road rage but I'm not too bothered. I can see a lot more congestion because less people will use the middle lane.
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Its also not a "slow" lane :happy2: :wink:
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I do regular journeys up and down between Birmingham and stirling/aberdeen, with a lot of night time driving.
Fact is, highway code does state to remain in the left lane unless overtaking...
What if, as said above, all 3 lanes are clear and being in the centre of the carriageway gives you more visibility of the road ahead? Particularly some sections of the m74/m6 in the dead of night?
Also, if your in the left lane and encounter a truck driver doing 55mph, and are constantly having to slow down overtake, shift across, move back and overtake the next person doing less than 60 in the left lane? Its worse so when your in left lane and some idiot in a BMW 9/10 comes along in the middle lane at 80+ not giving you the opportunity to overtake to the point you have to brake...
If its policed with video evidence I'm all for it.
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Introduce undertaking and minimum speed limits :pomppomp:
^^^This!
Most people in the middle lane are there as they are lazy. They don't want to pull in to the inside lane if it's clear because in x distance down the motorway they'll need to check mirror, indicate, and move lane. Compare this to just sitting in the middle with brain switched off, cruising at 70-80...scary...
Minimum speed limit - agree also - number of times I see some scared duffer doing 45-50 on the motorway causing a tailback, I feel sad. Sad in a way that I know that person is probably so scared of driving they are not really safe or competent in what they are doing.
The driving test should absolutely involve motorway driving, IMHO, plus night driving!
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I think mandatory cruise control should be implemented and a big green light on the rear of vehicles so you know when it's turned on.
The amount of times I'm doing 80 on cruise, coming up to someone, I indicate and move into the middle lane to over take them, and they speed up......
That's probably the most annoying thing that could be done.
I remember when I was driving to deliver my old TDI to it's new owner, I was trunding down the motorway in convoy with my mate. Some matey in a Z4 3.0 was doing it, he did it to the car infront of me, and then to me as I came up to him. He had a little smirk on his face at the time as just as I was in line with him he floored it.
So when he floored it, so I dropped a gear and did too. Went up to buck-20 by which time he could not keep up with my humble diesel hatch back, and when he/we slowed down again, I went past him, pulled back into the correct lane (ergo now infront of him) and sat on the rev limiter in 3rd (it was a hard-cut limiter which caused it to belch out loads of smoke while popping and banging away) and smoked him out. He didn't look pleased.
I miss my diesel :(
Moral of the story is, if everyone is going at a fixed speed, you will have no problem moving out. Quite often if you are in the inside lane, and you want to overtake a car, and someone is in the middle lane, MOST people, if it is safe to do so, will move from the middle lane to the outside lane, to allow you to move over without having to brake or turn off cruise control.
It's a good system.
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Interesting to think that "some" people on here still think its acceptable to sit in the middle lane for long periods of time. I'd have thought it would have been a pet hate for absolutely everyone on here. It certainly is one of my all time most annoying things that occurs on the roads. Especially on a deserted motorway and silly o'clock in the morning.
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On an empty motorway at night I do tend to use the middle lane for a few reasons....
1) the inside lane tends to be in worse condition than the middle lane due to lorry wear ie more potholes, indentations etc
2) if you are in the middle lane and there is some debris on the road it is easier to avoid having two lanes to move to, rather than one, especially if it is a lorry tyre blowout where the lorry may well be on the hard shoulder.
However, if I see anyone approaching from behind I pull over straight away into the inside lane. At all other times I adhere to normal protocol.
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Just to add, I even know one guy who moves to the outside lane when the motorway bears right and the inside lane when it bears left...his theory is that it saves him fuel :confused: I'll not go any further into his insane ramblings as he IS the guy we'd all want to hang, draw and quarter. :fighting2:
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On an empty motorway at night I do tend to use the middle lane for a few reasons....
1) the inside lane tends to be in worse condition than the middle lane due to lorry wear ie more potholes, indentations etc
2) if you are in the middle lane and there is some debris on the road it is easier to avoid having two lanes to move to, rather than one, especially if it is a lorry tyre blowout where the lorry may well be on the hard shoulder.
However, if I see anyone approaching from behind I pull over straight away into the inside lane. At all other times I adhere to normal protocol.
Nobody should be sat in the middle land regardless of the circumstances or time of day. I dont agree unfortunately John. While you might be aware of your surroundings and state you move over should you see a car approaching, it shouldnt be done. If a lorry is on the hard shoulder, and there is a chance of debris, then i naturally give them space and move over to the middle lane while i pass anyway.
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On an empty motorway at night I do tend to use the middle lane for a few reasons....
1) the inside lane tends to be in worse condition than the middle lane due to lorry wear ie more potholes, indentations etc
2) if you are in the middle lane and there is some debris on the road it is easier to avoid having two lanes to move to, rather than one, especially if it is a lorry tyre blowout where the lorry may well be on the hard shoulder.
However, if I see anyone approaching from behind I pull over straight away into the inside lane. At all other times I adhere to normal protocol.
I agree with this too
If you are an observant driver and fully aware of whats going on around you driving in the middle lane causes no problems at all , but there lies the real problem , people are not generally observant and only look infront of them . What about the problem of the person in the the outside lane who due to them being a ??????? won't pull in when you are in a hurry ? Do they get a ticket too ?
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Thing is, by the time you see someone approaching whilst your lane hogging, they have probably already started to slowdown, so you are already a nuisance. Just adhere to the Highway Code and get out of the overtaking lane if your not overtaking.
Undertaking seems to work ok in the states, but I honestly think it would cause a lot of wrecks here, as we tend to drive a lot more quickly, have worse highways and narrower roads for the most part.
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As with anything the individual will always have the right to question the decision. It will be up to the police to prove it. I would imagine it will need video evidence.
For me it's long overdue.
What about Section19, you don't get any say in that and that's been open to abuse for some time.
Middle lane hogging, should be based on time I guess, but I agree very difficult to Police.
Section 19 of what act ?
Don't you mean 59 ??
Yeap 59... no evidence required.
This is off topic but I feel it deserves some response. S59's absolutely need evidence, however, alot are issued incorrectly with little or none. As I mentioned about re my post and tickets, if people appealed them they'd actually find their S59 will generally be binned. Although there is no formal appeal route to a S59, speak to the duty insp/letter to ticket office and they will deal with it. There are further steps after that.
Last year I was issued a S59 and within the hour it was withdrawn. Speeding in itself does not merit a S59.
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This video.....hahahhahaahahaha......watch til the end. Perfect.
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As with anything the individual will always have the right to question the decision. It will be up to the police to prove it. I would imagine it will need video evidence.
For me it's long overdue.
What about Section19, you don't get any say in that and that's been open to abuse for some time.
Middle lane hogging, should be based on time I guess, but I agree very difficult to Police.
Section 19 of what act ?
Don't you mean 59 ??
Yeap 59... no evidence required.
This is off topic but I feel it deserves some response. S59's absolutely need evidence, however, alot are issued incorrectly with little or none. As I mentioned about re my post and tickets, if people appealed them they'd actually find their S59 will generally be binned. Although there is no formal appeal route to a S59, speak to the duty insp/letter to ticket office and they will deal with it. There are further steps after that.
Last year I was issued a S59 and within the hour it was withdrawn. Speeding in itself does not merit a S59.
I didn't mention speeding.
However, the point is the S59 IS abused and ARE given without any supporting evidence (as yours no doubt was), irrespective if that is right or wrong, it happens all the time... no doubt this middle lane hogging rule will be getting a full bashing of abuse too.
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As with anything the individual will always have the right to question the decision. It will be up to the police to prove it. I would imagine it will need video evidence.
For me it's long overdue.
What about Section19, you don't get any say in that and that's been open to abuse for some time.
Middle lane hogging, should be based on time I guess, but I agree very difficult to Police.
Section 19 of what act ?
Don't you mean 59 ??
Yeap 59... no evidence required.
This is off topic but I feel it deserves some response. S59's absolutely need evidence, however, alot are issued incorrectly with little or none. As I mentioned about re my post and tickets, if people appealed them they'd actually find their S59 will generally be binned. Although there is no formal appeal route to a S59, speak to the duty insp/letter to ticket office and they will deal with it. There are further steps after that.
Last year I was issued a S59 and within the hour it was withdrawn. Speeding in itself does not merit a S59.
I didn't mention speeding.
However, the point is the S59 IS abused and ARE given without any supporting evidence (as yours no doubt was), irrespective if that is right or wrong, it happens all the time... no doubt this middle lane hogging rule will be getting a full bashing of abuse too.
Yeh completely agree. Wasn't having a dig bud. Just was saying there should be evidence and if people looked to appeal they would generally win as the evidence won't be there. But as you say no required is perception which is unfortunately true. Anyway :)
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Middle lane hoggers are an issue and it is because they are nervous, scared, lazy or worried that no one will let them back out but there are just as many people, if not more that now sit in the "fast" lane.
Move over people, just move over. I know what the speed limit is but if I want to go faster than you, please just move over!
Ta.
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This is great news! :happy2:
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i'm glad to see this. i've had fights with some of my mates about their appalling and selfish driving. i'm fed up of banging my head against a brick wall - maybe if one of them gets a fine that'll learn 'em
would just like to point out however that if it's enforced over lane positioning in 1/2mi, that's only 30 seconds or so at 60mph which is not all that long. "middle lane hogging" is unfortunately a slightly subjective thing. (for example, how much of a gap does one leave before pulling back over?)
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Problem is with most of them, they are not aware of anything around them, i've seen it mentioned above if you look across at them they are day dreaming in the middle lane
The amount of times i see trucks switch lanes to get behind them and flash their lights and the car infront doesn't register that theres a big truck behind them flashing his lights.
i personally think that motorways should be part of the driving test or a separate test after the test
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Definitely part of the test. You couldn't make it a separate test after because there would be no way to police who could and couldn't use the motorway
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Whereas I agree with everyone RE middle lane hoggers , making Motorway driving part of the test isnt feasible for all of us - ie , I live in Berwick upon Tweed , the nearest Mway is the other side of Edinburgh M8/9 (60 odd miles) , South of Newcastle (A1M- 70 miles) or South of Carlisle (M6-75 Miles). Now thats at least 60 to 90 mins driving on the sh*tty A1 , or over 2 hrs on the Abysmal A698/A7 to get to Carlisle - how long would an hours worth of Mway driving actually take inc actually getting there? half a day? And how much would it cost???? Non starter I'm afraid.
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Whereas I agree with everyone RE middle lane hoggers , making Motorway driving part of the test isnt feasible for all of us - ie , I live in Berwick upon Tweed , the nearest Mway is the other side of Edinburgh M8/9 (60 odd miles) , South of Newcastle (A1M- 70 miles) or South of Carlisle (M6-75 Miles). Now thats at least 60 to 90 mins driving on the sh*tty A1 , or over 2 hrs on the Abysmal A698/A7 to get to Carlisle - how long would an hours worth of Mway driving actually take inc actually getting there? half a day? And how much would it cost???? Non starter I'm afraid.
I'm in a similar situation up in Aberdeenshire, nearest motorway is 90 miles away at Perth but its still only a 2 lane motorway at Perth.
I Have had very little motorway driving experience but when I drove down to Skegness a few years ago I had enough common sense to know what lane to be in.
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A large proportion of people live within 20-30 minutes of a motorway or a national speed limit dual carriageway.
It's not a hard concept to grasp. Use the inside lane unless you are overtaking.
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This is the video I wanted to post but didn't work.....
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Haha what a good commentary. F%#ING NOB-ED.
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Haha what a good commentary. F%#ING NOB-ED.
Probably should visit my journeys on the north circ and through east london! Might get a bit of commentary like that :/
Lol though!