MK5 Golf GTI
General => Random Chat => Topic started by: bushypad on June 07, 2013, 12:22:45 am
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Considering getting one thid summer maybe :0 25th bday present to myself.. Getting old :signLOL:
Question i had was i've always bought my cars outright but am wanting to explore the finance lease route.. What would i be looking at paying roughly anyone else on here looked at any and who should i go through?! Any help appreciated!
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I wanted one A LOT but then I drove one and was disappointed. We have had one back recently that we had mapped and it was flashed to stock by the dealers, reason for update?
Audi decided that due to propshaft failures they would change the power delivery so MORE goes to the front wheels :sick:
Could have been a much better car, I decided to save almost 10k and buy the M135i.
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You're unlikely to get a decent finance rate on a used car, it may be cheaper to explore a personal loan.
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I've also been thinking about upgrading to the RS3 but these props haft failure are putting me off :sad1:
How much power are people getting out of the 3.0T S4 at stage 2+ as I'm seriously thinking of this as an option :party:
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Shame the RS3 seems to have big issues, was hoping to grab one in a couple of years. The S4 above wasn't far off the RS4 once mapped was it... Amazing motor.
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I think at stage 1 an RS3 is around 420 horses, but an S4 is around 400 :party:
Can anybody confirm??
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Shame the RS3 seems to have big issues, was hoping to grab one in a couple of years. The S4 above wasn't far off the RS4 once mapped was it... Amazing motor.
Yeah saw the Chris Harris video he did at bruntingthorpe and was very impressed :surprised:
Dave
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Friend of mine has just bought a B8 S4, it's in MRC shortly for £1500 of St2 work which will yield around 470hp.
It's also the first Audi I've been in for a long time that rides an handles well straight out of the box. Very impressive car.
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Friend of mine has just bought a B8 S4, it's in MTM shortly for £1500 of St2 work which will yield around 470hp.
It's also the first Audi I've been in for a long time that rides an handles well straight out of the box. Very impressive car.
£1500 for stage 2 :confused:
What does that involve??
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I meant MRC, not MTM BTW.
Stage 2 Hardware and Remap Upgrade: MRC Filter, MRC Pulley, MRC Hi Grip Belt, Silicon Intake Pipe, Modified Airbox, fitting, Dyno Time and MRC Stage 2 Remap
£1491.00
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I brought my wife an RS3, back in March. Great car, very easy to drive fast in all conditions, fuel economy is very good especially on a run ( better than her old ED35 Stage 2)and the engine note is the best i've heard this side of a V8!
Reference the prop shaft, I broke mine, and was all replaced by Audi no issue, they lent me an S3 whilst it was done. There only seems to be a select number of these going, and they brought out a software update for some vehicles, to combat the issue. Launch control is phenomenal, and has been timed around 4.1 seconds, see you-tube!
I also had the squeaky brake issue, not as bad as some, but have now had new discs, calipers and pads fitted.
Audi gave my wife a nice big hamper of food and drink and me the first service FOC as compensation (which I wasn't after) so that's nice
Its a great car, I love it. I say go for it. I have it financed with Santander, with a good residual payment, and the price of them seem to be holding very well.
Pictures when I got it;
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See www.audirs3oc.com
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I brought my wife an RS3, back in March. Great car, very easy to drive fast in all conditions, fuel economy is very good especially on a run ( better than her old ED35 Stage 2)and the engine note is the best i've heard this side of a V8!
Reference the prop shaft, I broke mine, and was all replaced by Audi no issue, they lent me an S3 whilst it was done. There only seems to be a select number of these going, and they brought out a software update for some vehicles, to combat the issue. Launch control is phenomenal, and has been timed around 4.1 seconds, see you-tube!
I also had the squeaky brake issue, not as bad as some, but have now had new discs, calipers and pads fitted.
Audi gave my wife a nice big hamper of food and drink and me the first service FOC as compensation (which I wasn't after) so that's nice
Its a great car, I love it. I say go for it. I have it financed with Santander, with a good residual payment, and the price of them seem to be holding very well.
Pictures when I got it;
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See www.audirs3oc.com
Hi Oli,
My concern is that if I get an RS3 I'll want to take it to stage 2+ like my S3, and obviously the propshaft issue really scares me. Not sure what this Audi software update will do when running something like Revo stage 2+ software??? :confused:
I haven't heard any issues with the S4 yet though.
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Why is the propshaft an issue more on these than an S3 for exmaple?
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sounds like its something to do with the power delivery must be just too much for it :confused: so stage 2+ must destroy em
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I've driven a friend's RS3 on track, and I was dissapointed. It was quick, yes, but it was a very benign driving experience and the car felt very very nose heavy. Although I'm yet to drive one, I'd be sorely tempted by a M135i.
No doubt the RS3 is a very capable all-weather road car, but it just didn't engage me.
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Interesting theory guys, the stage 2 torque twist is what munches them this is why.....had a ttrs in the dealership with custom prop ends cured all problems! Wasn't expensive either.
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I will admit its not as engaging as some cars Ive had, although for what I and my wife wants its perfect. I can just jump in it and put my foot down!!
Ref the prop shaft it is a modified unit they fit, that's all I Know???
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Think best bet is to go and test drive one! Saw a quick deal online for £600 a month bad good??
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I will admit its not as engaging as some cars Ive had, although for what I and my wife wants its perfect. I can just jump in it and put my foot down!!
Ref the prop shaft it is a modified unit they fit, that's all I Know???
Who fits the modified unit and at what cost??
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Audi UK
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I think at stage 1 an RS3 is around 420 horses, but an S4 is around 400 :party:
Can anybody confirm??
realistic power at stage 1 rs3 is 400bhp.
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Given the choice between the RS3 and S4, id go for the S4 all day long.
Looks better IMO, seems to break less often, and similar performance outputs when mapped.
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:drool: :drool:
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I've had one for over 10 Months & one of the best everyday useable Cars I've owned (and my list is quite long) Was thinking of going for a remap couple of months back but held off and glad I did as Engine went pop beginning of March Audi Customer service were great and it now has a Complete new Engine in although there have been a few horror stories Audi seem to have dealt with the problems and customers well.
Think with the problems a remap would be unwise as I believe with the ECU being difficult to program and needing to be removed a remap is always going to be detectable if anything major goes wrong even if it gets put back to standard prior to Audi looking at it.
Just took a deposit on my Car not because I don't like it anymore but just that I don't need the 5 Doors at the moment so bought a TT-RS Plus:
Think Sepang is one of the best colours to have a RS3 in if you can find one:
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^ propshafts made of cheese... engines blowing up after 10 months... come on this is going to be an out of warranty mare of a motor.
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Just extend the warranty then :P
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I think at stage 1 an RS3 is around 420 horses, but an S4 is around 400 :party:
Can anybody confirm??
428.9bhp according to the Milltek website with just a map and an exhaust!
http://m.millteksport.com/media.file.cfm?fileid=672&sitepreference=2
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I think at stage 1 an RS3 is around 420 horses, but an S4 is around 400 :party:
Can anybody confirm??
428.9bhp according to the Milltek website with just a map and an exhaust!
http://m.millteksport.com/media.file.cfm?fileid=672&sitepreference=2
Whats the current max these 3.0TFSI engines are achieving? I see there are supercharger pulley upgrades available.
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All this talk of prop shafts and engine fail has put me off! Also considered a bmw 1m or s4 b7.. Whats the tuning potential on an s4 and costs? Im sure theres a lad near me who is running a b7 s4 which has taken out lambos on the strip?!
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All this talk of prop shafts and engine fail has put me off! Also considered a bmw 1m or s4 b7.. Whats the tuning potential on an s4 and costs? Im sure theres a lad near me who is running a b7 s4 which has taken out lambos on the strip?!
To be fair, and yes Im defending the RS3 corner, that is the only engine failure Ive heard of and there really aren't that many propshafts that have failed. And all has been sorted under warranty.
My advice is go and drive them all and make your own mind up :happy2: I loved the 1M when I drove the first one around Brands, however I/we need four doors, five seats and my wife wants an auto. The 1M feels very special, and I nearly sold my 997 that day to buy it. The tuning potential on the B8 S4( Im sure you mean B8 and not B7), is massive, see Chris Harris's article on Pistonheads, it just looks a bit 'plain jane' for my liking, but I know that is half the attraction.
All I know, for what we want as a family, the RS3 does it all very well :happy2:
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Engines and propshafts blowing up OMG :confused:
I was so up for buying one of these next year. Also I never knew the ECU had to be removed for the remap :scared:
The S4 is looking far more tasty at the moment :party:
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Engines and propshafts blowing up OMG :confused:
I was so up for buying one of these next year. Also I never knew the ECU had to be removed for the remap :scared:
The S4 is looking far more tasty at the moment :party:
S4 remap is £1500!! :signLOL:
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Engines and propshafts blowing up OMG :confused:
I was so up for buying one of these next year. Also I never knew the ECU had to be removed for the remap :scared:
The S4 is looking far more tasty at the moment :party:
S4 remap is £1500!! :signLOL:
Isn't that with the pulley upgrade?
I heard its good for 470bhp with that £1500 :drool:
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Engines and propshafts blowing up OMG :confused:
I was so up for buying one of these next year. Also I never knew the ECU had to be removed for the remap :scared:
The S4 is looking far more tasty at the moment :party:
S4 remap is £1500!! :signLOL:
Isn't that with the pulley upgrade?
I heard its good for 470bhp with that £1500 :drool:
ECU still needs to come out on a B8.
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ECU still needs to come out on a B8.
But it'll be worth it!
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That £1500 includes loads of uprated parts: pulley, belt, intake mods, boost pipes and all the labour. Not bad I thought.
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That £1500 includes loads of uprated parts: pulley, belt, intake mods, boost pipes and all the labour. Not bad I thought.
Does it also include the map - and is that at stage 2?? :drool:
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I wanted one A LOT but then I drove one and was disappointed. We have had one back recently that we had mapped and it was flashed to stock by the dealers, reason for update?
Audi decided that due to propshaft failures they would change the power delivery so MORE goes to the front wheels :sick:
Could have been a much better car, I decided to save almost 10k and buy the M135i.
Only during launch.
Can be bypassed with aftermarket haldex switch.
To the OP. unless you need the practicality of the rs3 get a TTRS instead, from a performance point it's a much better all round car.
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Read the rest of the thread now.
Engines blowing up doesn't seem to be a issue with the TTRS. It's a strong motor, basically like a 2.0tfsi but with a extra cylinder and stronger block, pistons and rods from the factory. So no engine issues.
Props yes a few have gone, but Audi have updated the design and change the aggressiveness of rear diff Engagment.
I'd imagine a stock rs3 is boring on the track as a stock chassis TTRS is. They aren't setup for that. On bumpy twisty roads they are a blast though.
As per remapped S4 vs remapped 2.5tfsi, the 2.5tfsi car would leave it for dead. You only need to look at 1/4 mile times to see that.
Mapped s4's will do low 13's high 12's. A TTRS will do a 12.6 stock. Both manual cars.
Point to point the only thing quicker than a mapped TTRS will be a newer edition GTR and 911 turbo.
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I wanted one A LOT but then I drove one and was disappointed. We have had one back recently that we had mapped and it was flashed to stock by the dealers, reason for update?
Audi decided that due to propshaft failures they would change the power delivery so MORE goes to the front wheels :sick:
Only during launch.
Can be bypassed with aftermarket haldex switch.
But they have moved the power delivery to a more FWD bias to stop the rear propshafts failing. The Haldex switch will shift more bias to the rears than before this latest ECU update, so if anything the haldex upgrade will surely make the likelihood of a propshaft. failure higher.
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That £1500 includes loads of uprated parts: pulley, belt, intake mods, boost pipes and all the labour. Not bad I thought.
Does it also include the map - and is that at stage 2?? :drool:
Everything - drive in, drive out.
I kind of agree with Pov, if you want the RS, then the TT makes more sense - the RS3 seems like an afterthought car.
If you need doors and seats and a boot, then I'd walk straight past the RS3 to the S4. Not sure about his thoughts it won't be as quick up the 1/4 mile, 3.55-60 and an 11.99 1/4 MRC ST2...
Proper 60:40 quattro, the sports diff makes it a proper weapon around bends too, really hides its weight.
edit - stupid iPad.
Search 'tube for MRC TUNING B8 S4@INTERS 2012
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I was gunna get a RS3 early/mid next year but wanted to tune it big time but guessing that wont be an option. Shame really as although it does seem an afterthought, the potential is there. Just don't know if I can live with a TT! Id have to get a daily car aswell as. Hmmm. The S4 is too big for me though.
The dealer I went to made me laugh when I went in and spoke to the: "there's a tuning cap on them". Oh really.
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I wanted one A LOT but then I drove one and was disappointed. We have had one back recently that we had mapped and it was flashed to stock by the dealers, reason for update?
Audi decided that due to propshaft failures they would change the power delivery so MORE goes to the front wheels :sick:
Only during launch.
Can be bypassed with aftermarket haldex switch.
But they have moved the power delivery to a more FWD bias to stop the rear propshafts failing. The Haldex switch will shift more bias to the rears than before this latest ECU update, so if anything the haldex upgrade will surely make the likelihood of a propshaft. failure higher.
Well the TSB says the it will just send power to the rear less aggressively, as in less snappy to be easier on the drivetrain. The prop has been modified now anyway, I don't think it's a huge problem but Audi are just protecting themselves now.
I'm assuming the Mrc stage 2 s4 is DSG with its 11.99 time, a stage 2 TTRS DSG will do it in 11.4 secs with full interior.
The s4 does have the proper Quattro and sports diff advantage on paper though, but I haven't driven one yet to see what difference that makes in real life.
Both cars should be fun and quick.
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I don't know anything about the S4, I just went sniffing for videos to see what they do. I reckon auto, it doesn't have the 'dive' you'd associate with a manual changing up on the strip, looks pretty seamless.
GIAC reckon they've done an 11.8 in a manual, but that'll be American 1/4 mile. So downhill, with a tailwind, with a sail, and a running start, and ......
Snag a drive of one, I was very impressed indeed. Feels RWD, which is very odd for an Audi, you can slide it around and it never feels nose heavy.
I'm guessing there's about 400kgs difference in that and yours, maybe more? You can't beat physics!! :grin:
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Might have had a few problems but still Best Engine 2.0 -2.5 litre 4 years running:
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=27876
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Might have had a few problems but still Best Engine 2.0 -2.5 litre 4 years running:
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=27876
So was the 1.4TSI, but it still doesnt obscure the fact that its probably one of the most unreliable engines available from VAG. There must be a couple new posts each week about new engines being fitted now people have started getting to 10-20k!!
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Might have had a few problems but still Best Engine 2.0 -2.5 litre 4 years running:
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=27876
So was the 1.4TSI, but it still doesnt obscure the fact that its probably one of the most unreliable engines available from VAG. There must be a couple new posts each week about new engines being fitted now people have started getting to 10-20k!!
That was my thought too... the charged 1.4 engine was a borderline disaster in every guise.
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Good job that yours never got that far then Sy. :laugh:
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I have no come back to that :ashamed:
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I have no come back to that :ashamed:
Aw. :love:
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So was the 1.4TSI, but it still doesnt obscure the fact that its probably one of the most unreliable engines available from VAG. There must be a couple new posts each week about new engines being fitted now people have started getting to 10-20k!!
Are you talking about RS3 engines lunched here or the 1.4? I have only heard of the one, as mentioned above. Ive not heard about any others from the RS forums and certainly not 2 a week?
Once again, and I am defending the RS corner, for all those that are being negative about them, try one, they are a cracking car, with truely devastating performance. Anyone local to me is more than welcome to come for a ride in mine :driver:
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I think sy is on about the 1.4
Also no 2.5tfsi engine issues here. Pretty much bulletproof.
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Ooops dur :rolleye:
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So was the 1.4TSI, but it still doesnt obscure the fact that its probably one of the most unreliable engines available from VAG. There must be a couple new posts each week about new engines being fitted now people have started getting to 10-20k!!
Are you talking about RS3 engines lunched here or the 1.4? I have only heard of the one, as mentioned above. Ive not heard about any others from the RS forums and certainly not 2 a week?
Once again, and I am defending the RS corner, for all those that are being negative about them, try one, they are a cracking car, with truely devastating performance. Anyone local to me is more than welcome to come for a ride in mine :driver:
No need to defend it oli we both know what great Cars there are and like me I think you've had a fair share to compare it with I've had mine for nearly 12 Months now and have never kept a Car that long before so for me that says it all although just ordered an A45 AMG so think that may be a fair contender
BTW: There was another guy who had to have a New Engine after only 2000 miles but that is the only other one I've heard of.
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I think the point was more 'something can win engine of the year, and still be a sh*t engine'.... example the 1.4.
I don't think they were saying the 5 banger is a pup.
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I'm gunna look into the ttrs now too as thinking about it.. I don't need the extra space no wife or kids and I'm 24 so gunna take advantage of the youth while it lasts :p oli whereabouts are you based?!
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What about an R32 with an R-TECH map....... :grin: YOu'd never have to fear being overtaken then.
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So was the 1.4TSI, but it still doesnt obscure the fact that its probably one of the most unreliable engines available from VAG. There must be a couple new posts each week about new engines being fitted now people have started getting to 10-20k!!
Are you talking about RS3 engines lunched here or the 1.4? I have only heard of the one, as mentioned above. Ive not heard about any others from the RS forums and certainly not 2 a week?
Once again, and I am defending the RS corner, for all those that are being negative about them, try one, they are a cracking car, with truely devastating performance. Anyone local to me is more than welcome to come for a ride in mine :driver:
No need to defend it oli we both know what great Cars there are and like me I think you've had a fair share to compare it with I've had mine for nearly 12 Months now and have never kept a Car that long before so for me that says it all although just ordered an A45 AMG so think that may be a fair contender
BTW: There was another guy who had to have a New Engine after only 2000 miles but that is the only other one I've heard of.
If you don't mind me asking how much did you sell it for
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What about an R32 with an R-TECH map....... :grin: YOu'd never have to fear being overtaken then.
Touché :signLOL:
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What about an R32 with an R-TECH map....... :grin: YOu'd never have to fear being overtaken then.
Touché :signLOL:
Isn't a GTI with R32 exhaust faster?
:surprised:
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What about an R32 with an R-TECH map....... :grin: YOu'd never have to fear being overtaken then.
Touché :signLOL:
Isn't a GTI with R32 exhaust faster?
:surprised:
I hope your joking? :confused:
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So was the 1.4TSI, but it still doesnt obscure the fact that its probably one of the most unreliable engines available from VAG. There must be a couple new posts each week about new engines being fitted now people have started getting to 10-20k!!
Are you talking about RS3 engines lunched here or the 1.4? I have only heard of the one, as mentioned above. Ive not heard about any others from the RS forums and certainly not 2 a week?
Once again, and I am defending the RS corner, for all those that are being negative about them, try one, they are a cracking car, with truely devastating performance. Anyone local to me is more than welcome to come for a ride in mine :driver:
That was in response to the comment about the 2.5TFSI being awarded best engine 4 years running. I merely pointed out that this specific statistic didnt mean jack, as the 1.4TSI has won the best engine in its category about 6 years in a row, and thats considering its a severely unreliable engine, so dont rely on such statistical sales and journo jargon.
I think the point was more 'something can win engine of the year, and still be a sh*t engine'.... example the 1.4.
I don't think they were saying the 5 banger is a pup.
Yep. Exactly what i meant
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What about an R32 with an R-TECH map....... :grin: YOu'd never have to fear being overtaken then.
Touché :signLOL:
Isn't a GTI with R32 exhaust faster?
:surprised:
I hope your joking? :confused:
Hahah lol, yeh I am joking! Just playing!!
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So was the 1.4TSI, but it still doesnt obscure the fact that its probably one of the most unreliable engines available from VAG. There must be a couple new posts each week about new engines being fitted now people have started getting to 10-20k!!
Are you talking about RS3 engines lunched here or the 1.4? I have only heard of the one, as mentioned above. Ive not heard about any others from the RS forums and certainly not 2 a week?
Once again, and I am defending the RS corner, for all those that are being negative about them, try one, they are a cracking car, with truely devastating performance. Anyone local to me is more than welcome to come for a ride in mine :driver:
No need to defend it oli we both know what great Cars there are and like me I think you've had a fair share to compare it with I've had mine for nearly 12 Months now and have never kept a Car that long before so for me that says it all although just ordered an A45 AMG so think that may be a fair contender
BTW: There was another guy who had to have a New Engine after only 2000 miles but that is the only other one I've heard of.
If you don't mind me asking how much did you sell it for
Was offered £33500 from Stafford Audi lot slightly more with a private sale went yesterday now in it's faster little Brother a Daytona Grey TT-RS Plus.
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So was the 1.4TSI, but it still doesnt obscure the fact that its probably one of the most unreliable engines available from VAG. There must be a couple new posts each week about new engines being fitted now people have started getting to 10-20k!!
Are you talking about RS3 engines lunched here or the 1.4? I have only heard of the one, as mentioned above. Ive not heard about any others from the RS forums and certainly not 2 a week?
Once again, and I am defending the RS corner, for all those that are being negative about them, try one, they are a cracking car, with truely devastating performance. Anyone local to me is more than welcome to come for a ride in mine :driver:
No need to defend it oli we both know what great Cars there are and like me I think you've had a fair share to compare it with I've had mine for nearly 12 Months now and have never kept a Car that long before so for me that says it all although just ordered an A45 AMG so think that may be a fair contender
BTW: There was another guy who had to have a New Engine after only 2000 miles but that is the only other one I've heard of.
If you don't mind me asking how much did you sell it for
Was offered £33500 from Stafford Audi lot slightly more with a private sale went yesterday now in it's faster little Brother a Daytona Grey TT-RS Plus.
New APR map is in beta testing, up to 1.8 bar of boost, everyone else is pegged at 1.45bar. Do it!!!
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New APR map is in beta testing, up to 1.8 bar of boost, everyone else is pegged at 1.45bar. Do it!!!
Would love to had my last TT-RS Mapped by MRC and know how much it can transform these Cars but after having the Engine Go on the RS3 no-way I'll be remapping anything I own whilst still in Warranty.
(Prefer to Jump in My GT-R :signLOL:)
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Ha youre just greedy :wink: