MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: SteveP on August 18, 2009, 07:14:03 pm
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Full review to follow :popcornsoda:
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C'mon then, lets have it :pomppomp:
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.... moving the engine to the boot??? :laugh:
lets av it!! :drool:
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He's either installed the Forge or ITG intake...
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^^^ One point to that man :laugh:
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Another guess at a fancy intake
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Ah bugger I got that "someone else has typed a reply" thing. I didn't cheat honest
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^^^ I believe you jay :laugh:
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Looks like a mid engine conversion but i think thats for next year so i am going with the boys and saying your ITG is up and running. :pomppomp:
I hope you have already started your logging. :happy2:
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taking out of focus shots of someones boot ?
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Wheres the "green with envy" smilie? :D
We want sound clips!!!
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pics and logs, pics and logs, pics and logs :popcornsoda:
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Pah - Couldn't even be bothered to clean it!! :evilgrin:
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Still not 100% finished, today was a mock up day to test fit and build some new mounting ideas.
Makes an awesome noise and you can really feel the difference :party: :party:
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And the award for the most jubilee clips used in an intake system goes too.......... :wink:
That piece of foam being used to section off the intake area looks a bit ghetto??
Apart from that it looks nice, like the idea of running large diameter pipe work to the MAF housing.. Is it 89 or 102mm??
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^^^ Agreed the foam is the main temp part of the kit and is being remade and covered with an aluminum plate. :smiley:
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Jesus that silicone hose from the filter is bl**dy huge. my question is where is the cold air for the intake goin to come from. it looks as if that bit of square foam is going to block the cold air coming in from the grill or am i being a mong???
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The cold air is drawn from the wing and the large void below the headlight.
Andy at ITG hurt my brain explaining the various reasons why they choose to do it his way :rolleye:
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ah that explains it, its presumably same place that the forge twintake does then.
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^^^ Agreed the foam is the main temp part of the kit and is being remade and covered with an aluminum plate. :smiley:
Yeah, im sure it will work very well.. The guys at ITG know there stuff!!
ah that explains it, its presumably same place that the forge twintake does then.
The forge intake draws cool air from both the OEM scoop and the wheel arch..
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Sound clips dammit! :D :jumping:
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I have tried but all I have is the voice recorder on the iPhone and it picks up next to nothing. :sad1:
I will get one of the guys at the weekend to film it when I am up t'north at the Awesome open day. :smiley:
It does make three great noises, as the turbo starts to spool it's like darth vader breathing :evilgrin: Lift off mid boost you get lots of chatter (which is my favorite noise) :jumping: Also you can really hear the DV modulating the boost when your pushing on with a logging run :happy2:
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Strap the iPhone under the bonnet? :evilgrin:
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gotta hear this Steve :happy2:
any idea when it will be available to 'normal' punters ?
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A few weeks, they have the main parts in stock for 25 kits, they just need to complete the bracket designs (to get rid of 2 of the clips) and the alu plated foam cowling.
A tuner up north will be getting a kit shortly to complete some before and after dyno testing too :happy2:
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i want the forge twin take, but cant buy that either :sad1:
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Does it sound like the EVOMs or louder/quieter? :jumping:
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Does it sound like the EVOMs or louder/quieter? :jumping:
From have I remember of your's it's about the same but slightly different.
The alu pipework gives it a slightly more raw sound if that makes sense :evilgrin:
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Looking forward to your review, Steve.
Bodes well for the Forge as it has extra intake.
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looks like a good bit of kit ;)
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Looking forward to your review, Steve.
Bodes well for the Forge as it has extra intake.
Based on what I learnt from being frazzled by science from Andy at ITG yesterday I would not 100% sure about the extra intake adding any benefit.
It would be good to see some logging data from the forge to compair :happy2:
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A few weeks, they have the main parts in stock for 25 kits, they just need to complete the bracket designs (to get rid of 2 of the clips) and the alu plated foam cowling.
A tuner up north will be getting a kit shortly to complete some before and after dyno testing too :happy2:
Is that my up north or engurland up north? please not awesome
It wont win any beauty comps will it, as jonny says all clips bits and thingy-my-bobs. Be good to see the final product.
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Id love the noise of an open filter but i shelled out over 300 quid for my dbilas
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i heard the sound this filter made on the REVO K1 youtube vid, it lets you know when your not being economical with the accelerator, lol. Im set on the twintake though. even if its just for the looks just as much as power gains
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Im set on the twintake though. even if its just for the looks just as much as power gains
....That's exactly it and I think that some manufacturers miss a trick - Most, not all I grant you, customers want some eye-candy with their performance parts.
The ITG might deliver great results, but :sick:
That aluminium 'wall' does not sound promising.
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From all the intakes i have tested the ITG system has yielded the best results,
Yes robin it may not be aesthetically pleasing at the moment..... but that's the whole point in hardware development it's not going to be pretty but things need to be tested before final designs can be confirmed and cleaned up, these are real world performance parts not eye candy (yet anyway) and everything has to be tested and confirmed to yield the desired result.
The whole point of this product is it needs to work 100% on all given applications and in some cases if function has to take priority over form, well that's fine with me and I’m sure there's many that will agree
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From all the intakes i have tested the ITG system has yielded the best results,
:happy2: , for that to stand though we'd need to know which ones youve tested :wink: which you prob dont want to say (and I understand why)
I also like to know what parameters you use to qualify as best ?
Cost / fitting ease / quality of product / power gains (mid range or top end) / noise / heat soak issues ?
from my perspective I would be choosing between this and another 'new' intake (it has twin entries :wink:) , so I'm interested to hear your thoughts.
appreciate any feedback :happy2:
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and some numbers/plots would be nice 2 :smiley:
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That looks good (in terms of performance gains) i much prefer this idea of 1 big filter rather than 2 really really small filters... i cant help but think there going on the gimmick that it has 2 filters and people thinking it must be better!
saying that tho, i would have liked to see the original air feed being used too
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From all the intakes i have tested the ITG system has yielded the best results,
Yes robin it may not be aesthetically pleasing at the moment..... but that's the whole point in hardware development it's not going to be pretty but things need to be tested before final designs can be confirmed and cleaned up, these are real world performance parts not eye candy (yet anyway) and everything has to be tested and confirmed to yield the desired result.
The whole point of this product is it needs to work 100% on all given applications and in some cases if function has to take priority over form, well that's fine with me and I’m sure there's many that will agree
nothing to do with a certain new tuner in the market is it :wink:
http://www.forgetuning.co.uk/
i will look at both of the new options coming out, be good to see some in car vid's with noise and some logging of both airflow and also air flow temp and then of course how much they both will cost.
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From all the intakes i have tested the ITG system has yielded the best results,
Yes robin it may not be aesthetically pleasing at the moment..... but that's the whole point in hardware development it's not going to be pretty but things need to be tested before final designs can be confirmed and cleaned up, these are real world performance parts not eye candy (yet anyway) and everything has to be tested and confirmed to yield the desired result.
The whole point of this product is it needs to work 100% on all given applications and in some cases if function has to take priority over form, well that's fine with me and I’m sure there's many that will agree
....Yes, I'm pre-judging it and offering comment on what is presented to me at this time.
As a designer, I know that eventually a primarily functional item can have its form improved. This, I now realise and hope, is still a prototype.
ITG have an excellent reputation (I use their filter) and the proof of any pudding will be in the eating.
:happy2: 8) :happy2:
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i will look at both of the new options coming out, be good to see some in car vid's with noise and some logging of both airflow and also air flow temp and then of course how much they both will cost.
....The aftermarket intake market is a tricky one for manufacturers - Customers demand a number of considerations to ALL be satisfied.
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- Performance gains, 'scientifically' backed up.
- Sound (or noise, if you prefer).
- Appearance or eye-candy.
- Compatibility with other components.
- Cost.
- Customer service and aftersales support.
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I quite like the look of that intake as it is :ashamed:
I think it looks purposefull, i dont like the look of the forge twin filter i think it looks a bit silly, although as others have said its about how they perform that matters...
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I like it the way it looks now. It looks "functional"! :ashamed:
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It's just that 'wall' of roughly cut and badly fitting foam behind the cone filter - It doesn't look "functional", it looks badly homemade. But it's only a prototype and I expect it will be better resolved.
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saying that tho, i would have liked to see the original air feed being used too
that was tested, at any level of decent speed the stock air feed is useless, due to the point in the body where the intake takes the air feed there's no air pressure as it's being channeled over the body rather than into the intake, so the best point to take your air is the inner arch behind the bumper
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nothing to do with a certain new tuner in the market is it :wink:
they've been selling there own software for years!
we have a good working relationship with forge thanks :happy2:
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saying that tho, i would have liked to see the original air feed being used too
that was tested, at any level of decent speed the stock air feed is useless, due to the point in the body where the intake takes the air feed there's no air pressure as it's being channeled over the body rather than into the intake, so the best point to take your air is the inner arch behind the bumper
....Without me going out and walking to my garage and getting the car out of its batcave and having a look, I didn't think the wheel arch was open.
Even if the 'side' feed position (ITG and EVOMS for example) is far more efficient, surely there must be a significant amount of air being fed via the stock position, otherwise oem cars would be "useless". Also, why would Forge still additionally use the stock front position with their twintake? - GruppeM too.
I'm not trying to suggest the ITG doesn't work but I'm genuinely interested in how all these systems work before choosing one.
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Hi guys, I'm a newbie to forums so you'll have to excuse me if I cock any thing up.
The intake at the grille will work OK at speed if you're running a sealed system up to it - if your looking at using it to push air over an open filter it's not going to work as well as you expect.
The biggest issue I've found with these cars is getting a large enough filter in to cope with 450+ bhp and still keep intake tempertures down.
The only spot in the engine bay where this is possible is behind the headlight. This leads to the next issue, which is the distance from the filter to the turbo. Basically, with a long, constant bore pipe, you will get an increase in drag that will lose airflow - hence the huge pipework to counter this.
The main goal of this kit is to provide the minmum resistance in the intake system to allow for the higher airflow of big turbo's and also to let the turbo spin up quicker.
The foam heat shield is still work in progress and still needs more work, however it is an extremley effective thermal barrier and forms a good seal against the slam panel etc (I didn't have to finish Steve's off as well as I'd liked).
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The intake at the grille will work OK at speed if you're running a sealed system up to it - if your looking at using it to push air over an open filter it's not going to work as well as you expect.
The biggest issue I've found with these cars is getting a large enough filter in to cope with 450+ bhp and still keep intake tempertures down.
....Thanks and a Warm Welcome, Andy :happy2:
The above answers my queries perfectly. Your filter is clearly seems [edited] more appropriate for bigger turbo'd more powerful 2.0T FSI cars.
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Good to see you here Andy :happy2:
Cheers,
Lee.
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Cheers for the welcome guys - thought I'd better come on and clear a few things up
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welcome Andy :happy2:
in terms of us 'mortals' :grin: , is there any detriment in airflow for Stage 1 / 2 cars running around 300-350 bhp then ? (i.e. is it too big?) when compared to a constant diam pipe?
As Robins eluded to , is the kit a compromise if fitted 300 bhp cars and only really for 400bhp+ cars ?
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As Robins eluded to , is the kit a compromise if fitted 300 bhp cars and only really for 400bhp+ cars ?
Hi Andy and welcome :smiley:,
I'd definitely like to know more about this as I'm about to go for 450+bhp with the kit I've just bought :happy2:
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If the cars were NA, then yes it probaly would hurt the low down torque as maintaining air speed can help cylinder filling at lower RPM.
Turbo's on the other hand work best with minimal resistance, it may be overkill but it shouldn't hurt the performance.
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Hi Hurdy
Give me a call on 02476 305386 and I'll be happy to discuss things in more detail - If I tried to type out all the ins and outs I'd be here all day!!!
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If the cars were NA, then yes it probaly would hurt the low down torque as maintaining air speed can help cylinder filling at lower RPM.
Turbo's on the other hand work best with minimal resistance, it may be overkill but it shouldn't hurt the performance.
....So do I understand correctly that this new ITG solution, though best suited to more than 300(?)bhp cars "shouldn't" hurt the performance of less-than-300bhp cars but may be overkill?
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Sorry fella's I've kept him busy for a while
Cheers Andy for the excellent info :happy2:
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The cars that may not see any benefit will be the ones running standard software.
I did a kit for the 1.8 TFSI A3 which saw no gains on standard software but picked up 13bhp with a stage 1 map
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The cars that may not see any benefit will be the ones running standard software.
I did a kit for the 1.8 TFSI A3 which saw no gains on standard software but picked up 13bhp with a stage 1 map
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Andy i'm assuming its this one which is on the Revo A3 :happy2:
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Yep - thats the one
Different kit and different car, so may not be the same with the 2.0
Once I've got the final bits sorted I'll see if Steve P is up for a rolling road test - will be able to run various maps and see how each one works with the kit
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Yep - thats the one
Different kit and different car, so may not be the same with the 2.0
Once I've got the final bits sorted I'll see if Steve P is up for a rolling road test - will be able to run various maps and see how each one works with the kit
Would like to see Vag Com logs of how this kit performs too! Presumably you have overcome the common issue found with many other aftermarket intakes regarding out of scale maf housings?
Look forward to seeing the results :happy2:
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^^^ IIRC the MAF housing is 67mm round which I am lead to believe is correct size to maintain the scale :happy2:
I will be getting together some logs and hopefully dyno graphs once Andy has done some more work on the kit.
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^^^ IIRC the MAF housing is 67mm round which I am lead to believe is correct size to maintain the scale :happy2:
I will be getting together some logs and hopefully dyno graphs once Andy has done some more work on the kit.
Yep thats about right mate, 2.62" or 66.55mm to be exact i think. Would be interesting to see logs of airflow, intake temps and long term fuel trims if you get chance. :wink:
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Looks like a fantastic bit of kit Steve, be interested to see the results from the logging :happy2:
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The development continues :popcornsoda:
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New welded side and rear brackets, plus a heat shield (fittted yeserday to an S3) :happy2:
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I saw the pics of the S3 :wink:
Certainly a meaty bit of kit.
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The development continues :popcornsoda:
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New welded side and rear brackets, plus a heat shield (fittted yeserday to an S3) :happy2:
I hope that owner is in the GB for the catch can... :smiley:
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^^^ He sure is :happy2:
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where the F is he gonna fit it, just been looking to get an idea, just incase 1 of these intakes falls into mine :innocent:
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^^ He emailed me to ask as with the Xenon's on the S3 you can't fit it in the stock place.
I reckon VrStu will have a plan to get around this. :happy2:
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I reckon VrStu will have a plan to get around this. :happy2:
Well he's had mine for a couple of days so I guess so. :smiley:
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I reckon VrStu will have a plan to get around this. :happy2:
Well he's had mine for a couple of days so I guess so. :smiley:
....He'll have sold it on eBay for a nice profit by now :evilgrin:
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....He'll have sold it on eBay for a nice profit by now :evilgrin:
Don't give him ideas Robin. :angry015:
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Now where am I going to fit that f'kin BSH catch can?!?!?!
When it was fitted the filter was so fresh it couldn't be oiled, but sorted this last weekend and fitted a new set of NGK Iridium BKR7EIX's. Running like a dream, and the sounds is something else.
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any chance of a link for your review on the ITG intake mate :happy2:
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http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=233534&highlight=ITG (http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=233534&highlight=ITG)
Enjoy!
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good review there. whats the going rate for one of these out of interest.
Now we need someone to do the twin take to compare
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Someone has just PM'd me about the ITG (Robern2). My PM's are locked (probably due to low post count).
Prices not yet officially released, but likely to be right on the nail of £300 inc VAT.
And when at full chat it IS noisy (in a good way)
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This is deffo the one I'm going for I think.
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hey warren welcome to the mk5 world! :happy2:
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Someone has just PM'd me about the ITG (Robern2). My PM's are locked (probably due to low post count).
Prices not yet officially released, but likely to be right on the nail of £300 inc VAT.
And when at full chat it IS noisy (in a good way)
....Then it seems that the Forge Twintake and ITG will be direct competitors.
ITG "noisy" in a raspy or airy-sucky kinda way? [your review still not read!]
10 post count should unlock you.
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It's hard to describe, but depending what speed / revs your doing either or.
Air sucky with moderate revs / speeds, raspy and fluttery DV at full chat.
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It's hard to describe, but depending what speed / revs your doing either or.
Air sucky with moderate revs / speeds, raspy and fluttery DV at full chat.
....Sounds purrfect! But I know how subjective sound can be and tricky to describe.
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It's hard to describe, but depending what speed / revs your doing either or.
Air sucky with moderate revs / speeds, raspy and fluttery DV at full chat.
Sounds like its similiar to dangbs big turbo apr intake.
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Is the ITG air filter available yet and if so where can I buy it from?
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Nearly, I am due to be going back there this week to have some production parts fitted including a proper heat shield.
As soon as it's available I will post the details :happy2:
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It's VERY close to being ready.
I'm having mine fitted next week too hopefully, all being well.
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Cool, because I urgently need one as a replacement and I <3 ITG.
How do I get on the preorder list because I really need one as soon as they are released...
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Do we know a price yet? Or even a ballpark figure?
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^^^ It's going to be a very similar price to the forge :smiley:
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^^^ It's going to be a very similar price to the forge :smiley:
....Around £300 then. :drinking: Cheers, Steve.
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Ok, I logged blocks 31 and 32 as suggested in the other thread.
Lambda (Partial) - Self-Adaptation = 2.3%
Lambda (Idle) - Self-Adaptation = - 0.7 %
As for the "Lambda Sensor - Current Value" vs. "Lambda Sensor - Specified Value" this typically was within +/- 0.05 at most of the specified value expect when lifting off the throttle.
Hopefully this will mean something to the techies that have been requesting this :happy2:
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Out of curiousity Steve, what was the maximum Mass Air Flow (g/s) that you have logged? Not sure if you have this info from current logs?
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So the ITG is somewhat 'sucky' in terms of noise, how does the forge compare, presumably its quieter ?
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id presume the forge to be quiter as well as the filters are enclosed
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Any idea of a release date? I'm still after one quite urgently and if it's prone to be more like four weeks rather than (say) two I think I shall be forced to get the EVOMs (which would be sad, as I <3 ITG).
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So the ITG is somewhat 'sucky' in terms of noise, how does the forge compare, presumably its quieter ?
Forge is pretty quiet, but thats with my exhaust, which is louder than most.. It gives a nice sound, wouldn't say its much quieter than the open filters, a nicer sound in my opinion though..
Outside its loud..
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Ok, I logged blocks 31 and 32 as suggested in the other thread.
Lambda (Partial) - Self-Adaptation = 2.3%
Lambda (Idle) - Self-Adaptation = - 0.7 %
As for the "Lambda Sensor - Current Value" vs. "Lambda Sensor - Specified Value" this typically was within +/- 0.05 at most of the specified value expect when lifting off the throttle.
Hopefully this will mean something to the techies that have been requesting this :happy2:
Those figures are well within oem spec... :happy2:
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Ok, I logged blocks 31 and 32 as suggested in the other thread.
Lambda (Partial) - Self-Adaptation = 2.3%
Lambda (Idle) - Self-Adaptation = - 0.7 %
As for the "Lambda Sensor - Current Value" vs. "Lambda Sensor - Specified Value" this typically was within +/- 0.05 at most of the specified value expect when lifting off the throttle.
Hopefully this will mean something to the techies that have been requesting this :happy2:
As Balicus said these figures are good :happy2:
Your LTFT is Lambda (Partial) - Self-Adaptation = 2.3%. This is a stock like figure and shows your ECU currently is not having to compensate for either too much or too little air coming in compared to what the MAF sensor is seeing. Keep an eye on this over time and see if it changes. If its staying the same it means the ECU has already stabalised and it looks like the MAF housing ITG have designed is flowing as the stock one would which is great as tuners such as APR and Revo leave the MAF scaling at stock unless you are going a BT.
How many miles have done with the ITG installed?
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^^^ nearly 3k miles so far :happy2:
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Out of curiousity Steve, what was the maximum Mass Air Flow (g/s) that you have logged? Not sure if you have this info from current logs?
This can be logged by doing a WOT run through the rev range and logging block 002.
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^^^ nearly 3k miles so far :happy2:
ITG gets a thumbs up from me then :congrats:
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great info steve :happy2:
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Re - DomT's question.
Previously I saw peak airflow readings @ WOT in 3rd of 246g/s with the stock airbox and pipercross panel.
With the ITG and revised Revo settings (B8-T5-F6) I have on a couple of occasions seen low to mid 260's g/s, today with the ambient of 26.5c this was down to 257g/s peak @ WOT.
HTH :happy2:
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Why such a rich fuel value?
Did you log your lambda with that setting?
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Maybe he has a HPFP?
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i thought fuel 6 was the standard revo setting on stage 2+.
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i thought fuel 6 was the standard revo setting on stage 2+.
I don't know with the k04 set up but with the k03's the revo recommended setting is F9.
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^^^ This was the recommended setting after Carl did some logging on my car a few weeks ago :happy2:
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^^^ This was the recommended setting after Carl did some logging on my car a few weeks ago :happy2:
Interesting as that setting was also used on Gaz's S3 at vortex...
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JKM set my Revo settings up when I had my HPFP fitted and after a few dyno runs of logging AFR found that a setting of 6 for fuel ensured optimum AFR on the car.
....Although my GTI is a K03 Revo2 (not 2+) and on stock FP, the AFR is important and JKM adjusted my setting to F7.
Each car is slightly different and we each have very differing combinations of mods.
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^^^ This was the recommended setting after Carl did some logging on my car a few weeks ago :happy2:
Interesting as that setting was also used on Gaz's S3 at vortex...
you don't forget much do you bacillus :congrats:
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Interesting comments about the fuel settings recommended.
My edition 30 is stage 2 (soon to be stage2+), currently its set to f9 as I was told this keeps things nice and cool.
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Having a fuel setting of 9 actually does exactly the opposite, it heats things up!
A fuel setting of 9 means you will be running a leaner AFR which in turn means your EGTs (Exhaust Gas Temperature) are going to be higher.
When you are running pump sw (stage 2+) it gives you the ability to run a slightly richer AFR because the upgraded fuel pump can run at a higher rail pressure up to 130.
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Not sure if these will work but here are a couple of sound clips :smiley:
Clip 1 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/downloads/clip1.m4a)
Clip 2 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/downloads/clip2.m4a)
Should give you an idea of some of the noises it makes :party: :party:
EDIT - Don't click these links if you are incapable of using a computer, they are in m4a format (taken from the voice recorder on my iPhone), so will try to open in iTunes
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Steve, no joke, when will these be available and when can I buy one?
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Sounds incredible :happy2:
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Thanx for that steve, its put my mind at rest, I've been getting that flutter since I went stg 2+ and wasn't sure if it was an issue or not. I think the intake has made the flutter more pronounced. I didn't get the flutter before stg 2+ so I wonder if you would get it with the intake alone?????
Think I may make a purchase :smiley:
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What application are you guys using to play those files as they don't seem to work with windows media player... :confused:
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when I clicked the linky they played in i player
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itunes for me, sounds good not too loud.
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when I clicked the linky they played in i player
Ah ha, seems like you need quicktime installed to play these files. :happy2:
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Jeeze! Thanks, Steve (Not!) - Clicking your links automatically downloaded to my HD and also buried it in iTunes.
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Play them through your iPod then in the car and pretend you have an ITG set up?
On a slightly unrelated matter, what size is the ITG foam filter? I'm after one to replace the K&N on mine.
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Not sure if these will work but here are a couple of sound clips :smiley:
Clip 1 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/downloads/clip1.m4a)
Clip 2 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/downloads/clip2.m4a)
Should give you an idea of some of the noises it makes :party: :party:
EDIT - Don't click these links if you are incapable of using a computer, they are in m4a format (taken from the voice recorder on my iPhone), so will try to open in iTunes
:star: :star: :star: :laugh: :evilgrin:
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(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi22.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fb308%2FRedRobin_05%2FPinkyPerky.jpg&hash=b86de8145f3594cc0f94f7d409a4b8ed6aadc777)
....Unfortunately the iPhone's voice recording doesn't record the sounds of the ITG very well - At least not on clip1 - I haven't bothered with clip2 as a result.
:smiley:
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On a slightly unrelated matter, what size is the ITG foam filter? I'm after one to replace the K&N on mine.
....This may help:
Linky : - ITG Web Site.... (http://www.itgairfilters.com/)
:happy2:
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Re - DomT's question.
Previously I saw peak airflow readings @ WOT in 3rd of 246g/s with the stock airbox and pipercross panel.
With the ITG and revised Revo settings (B8-T5-F6) I have on a couple of occasions seen low to mid 260's g/s, today with the ambient of 26.5c this was down to 257g/s peak @ WOT.
HTH :happy2:
Are you running Stage 2+ Steve? Nice increase in airflow and very healthy fuel trims also. Looks like ITG is the way to go. :happy2:
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^^^ Yep running Revo Stage 2+ for the last 10K :happy2:
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^^^ Yep running Revo Stage 2+ for the last 10K :happy2:
You do put on the miles Steve don't you :smiley:
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Yep, almost at 50k miles now after 16 months :scared:
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Yep, almost at 50k miles now after 16 months :scared:
Wow, that's some milage...
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one of these is sold to me when they are available. hope someone starts a group buy!
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Yep, almost at 50k miles now after 16 months :scared:
That's not all that bad....some people must surely only drive to shows and back. Might as well not have or drive the thing. :stupid:
It's a dilema with a limited edition model if you're concerned on residuals though.
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The residuals concerns are looooooong gone, I except with my mileage I will get shafted when coming to sell it next year before the mileage goes too near the 100k mark :smiley:
The other-half's Polo, which is 2 days newer than mine has 4K miles on it, the moment of choice when leaving for work @ 5:30am means the olop rarely gets the chance to be driven above 30mph :laugh: :laugh:
Like TC always tells me when I moan about the number of miles on my car, at least I am doing it in a car I love :innocent:
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Why sell it just because of the 100k mileage, Steve? VW's have an awesome reputation for longevity when you look after them (as you do). Everyone loses money on their car anyway.
I did over 140k in my BMW and it was still going strong when I sold and I'm sure there's plenty others here with good stories about their high-milers - MatED30 for example.
TC is right. Only sell it when you get bored with it or fall in love with something else.
What's brought on the modding craze? - It's been very sudden!
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What's brought on the modding craze? - It's been very sudden!
Hehehehe, modititus has an incubatory period of 12-14 months before it becomes very virilant. It is very hard to treat once diagnosed as it is often too late :signLOL:
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What's brought on the modding craze? - It's been very sudden!
Hehehehe, modititus has an incubatory period of 12-14 months before it becomes very virilant. It is very hard to treat once diagnosed as it is often too late :signLOL:
antibiotics seem to be revo or apr.
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What's brought on the modding craze? - It's been very sudden!
Hehehehe, modititus has an incubatory period of 12-14 months before it becomes very virilant. It is very hard to treat once diagnosed as it is often too late :signLOL:
.... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Highly contagious too. Phil Mcavity also came down very strongly with it after managing to stay clear for so long.
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What's brought on the modding craze? - It's been very sudden!
Hehehehe, modititus has an incubatory period of 12-14 months before it becomes very virilant. It is very hard to treat once diagnosed as it is often too late :signLOL:
antibiotics seem to be revo or apr.
....But those are homeopathic 'remedies' and risk severe relapses. :laugh:
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UPDATE :smiley:
Been up to see Andy @ ITG again today to try the new production version of the mounts/heatshield.
The quality of the components are really impresive :notworthy:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FStevep_010%2Fitg%2FIMG_2788.jpg&hash=f404352c22988c870cff63102ae051ab4b69f192)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FStevep_010%2Fitg%2FIMG_2789.jpg&hash=09d9cf9e86976755b189401dc4fea3180da0664c)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FStevep_010%2Fitg%2FIMG_2791.jpg&hash=1a71e4050a7c4dd59faf63029d72baf432135526)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FStevep_010%2Fitg%2FIMG_2790.jpg&hash=424d8478c5a54d6793ab5f598173c43dd27f0f42)
(Please excuse the rubbish pictures :ashamed:)
Also final measurements for the production filter and foam baffle where taken so the hopefully it won't be long until the kit will be available to all. The variations for all the cars in the 2.0TFSI VAG family is taking some time to complete.
Also there latest plan to help with the heatsoak is ceramic coating the aluminum parts, which while not a cheap solution, sounds like a good idea, plus the coating will be black so will give it a stealth look :smiley:
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Also there latest plan to help with the heatsoak is ceramic coating the aluminum parts, which while not a cheap solution, sounds like a good idea, plus the coating will be black so will give it a stealth look :smiley:
Steve,
Do you have any plans to insulate your aluminium pipework at all? (with something like this: http://www.agriemach.com/product_info.php?cPath=160&products_id=1190 (http://www.agriemach.com/product_info.php?cPath=160&products_id=1190))
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Hi Warren,
I am probably going to get the ceramic coated versions once Andy at ITG has these available, otherwise I would use the heat tape like you have linked to :happy2:
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Hi Warren,
I am probably going to get the ceramic coated versions once Andy at ITG has these available, otherwise I would use the heat tape like you have linked to :happy2:
Hmm, interesting option, I may call him to see how much it would cost to change my pipes for this option as its slightly stealthier than the gold tape at service time!
Have you noticed any change in your car since the weathers got colder since fitting the ITG? The better half is not impressed by the boost actuation flutter at full chat, but other than that it seems a very decent product.
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WOW, fits like a glove.. i have the bsh one but could look at getting this..
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I've got relfect-a-gold tape on my EVOMS - inspired by seeing Jonny's and also Andy's S3. If you go down that route, budget for 30' of tape - one roll will only do half.
Thanks for the heads up on that. Got a pic of Andy's when I wrote a review of it on AudiSport. Looks very bling, but Audi Techs will have a coronary.
Have you noticed much difference in intake temps?
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flh3.ggpht.com%2F_-x267klfZGE%2FSig-vGsuypI%2FAAAAAAAAAgk%2FbTaaiw4mOk8%2Fs912%2FDSC_9500.JPG&hash=ec5ca55d44d87926e4353415b7710aae090459ed)
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coming along nicely, my only concern would be longevity of a ceramic coating vs screwdrivers and clips...
And I know Id get annoyed if i scratched it! (alloy can just be polished out)
How is the ceramic finish in these terms Steve?
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coming along nicely, my only concern would be longevity of a ceramic coating vs screwdrivers and clips...
And I know Id get annoyed if i scratched it! (alloy can just be polished out)
How is the ceramic finish in these terms Steve?
Not sure until they have had some samples made up, but with the properly welded parts now the only contact with the ali pipework is the silcon hose.
Andy @ ITG wants to try something called "frozen smoke" which is a Nasa engineered material that is mean to be the best heat reflector, now that's stuff is proper mad and very very expensive :rolleye:
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Steve, have you got a pic of where you have located your BSH Catch Can with the ITG intake? I've got the catch can and aam considering getting the ITG CAI so would want to plan ahead a little with my catch can location.
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Steve, have you got a pic of where you have located your BSH Catch Can with the ITG intake? I've got the catch can and aam considering getting the ITG CAI so would want to plan ahead a little with my catch can location.
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=6404.15 :happy2:
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Steve, have you got a pic of where you have located your BSH Catch Can with the ITG intake? I've got the catch can and aam considering getting the ITG CAI so would want to plan ahead a little with my catch can location.
Things are a little tighter in the S3 engine bay, the xenon light box thingys project further into the engine bay cutting down valuable space. Have been lookin where to put the catch can myself when/if the intake gets fitted :smiley:
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Things are a little tighter in the S3 engine bay, the xenon light box thingys project further into the engine bay cutting down valuable space. Have been lookin where to put the catch can myself when/if the intake gets fitted :smiley:
....Forge offer (or are 'soon' offering) an alternative neck to the wash bottle which would free up some space on the driver's side (RHD).
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WOW, fits like a glove.. i have the bsh one but could look at getting this..
Seriously at this rate our cars are gonna end up being identical :signLOL:
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do you know how far on itg are with the ceramic coating development, im down there getting mine fitted within the next week, wonder if it will be ready by then.
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....Forge offer (or are 'soon' offering) an alternative neck to the wash bottle which would free up some space on the driver's side (RHD).
http://www.forgemotorsport.co.uk/content.asp?inc=product&cat=260303&product=FMWBSCI
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do you know how far on itg are with the ceramic coating development, im down there getting mine fitted within the next week, wonder if it will be ready by then.
I was there on Monday and Andy was only just starting to look into it and arrange for a set to be sent out to be coated so it's a few weeks away TBH, plus he only wants to do one set and then compare the heatsoak results against a car that's had the normal version of the intake fitted :wink:
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Steve, have you got a pic of where you have located your BSH Catch Can with the ITG intake? I've got the catch can and aam considering getting the ITG CAI so would want to plan ahead a little with my catch can location.
Things are a little tighter in the S3 engine bay, the xenon light box thingys project further into the engine bay cutting down valuable space. Have been lookin where to put the catch can myself when/if the intake gets fitted :smiley:
Yes things do seem to be a little tighter in the S3. The location Steve has used looks like it might work though, what do you think?
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fkk207%2FStevep_010%2FIMG_0117.jpg&hash=3ba9ac5e48160310f9be4985af48d1da5bdf4fc8)
How do you find emptying and removing the catch can in that location steve?
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Yes things do seem to be a little tighter in the S3. The location Steve has used looks like it might work though, what do you think?
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fkk207%2FStevep_010%2FIMG_0117.jpg&hash=3ba9ac5e48160310f9be4985af48d1da5bdf4fc8)
Unless the can is tiny it will be very tight
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flh6.ggpht.com%2F_-x267klfZGE%2FSrtJUtNkMII%2FAAAAAAAACpo%2FsCF73dlJIdI%2Fs512%2Fphoto.jpg&hash=c2dd98e050928b7e08437967e1abd0b69ce02685)
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Yes things do seem to be a little tighter in the S3. The location Steve has used looks like it might work though, what do you think?
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fkk207%2FStevep_010%2FIMG_0117.jpg&hash=3ba9ac5e48160310f9be4985af48d1da5bdf4fc8)
Unless the can is tiny it will be very tight
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flh6.ggpht.com%2F_-x267klfZGE%2FSrtJUtNkMII%2FAAAAAAAACpo%2FsCF73dlJIdI%2Fs512%2Fphoto.jpg&hash=c2dd98e050928b7e08437967e1abd0b69ce02685)
was just about to say, there is no room over there on the S3
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^^^ That's what happens when you buy a posh golf :P
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its them std fit xenons :smiley:
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Still fits the Golf with Xenon's :wink: :laugh:
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it was the std fit I was referring too :wink:
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Still off topic I know, but I can't help thinking that BSH haven't fully considered how their CatchCan kit fits into the whole range of cars on the 2.0T FSI platform. A poor oversight imo.
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the catch can kit I bought was for the mk5 GTI, so I can't complain really Robin, they don't get the S3 in the states so thay havn't developed a kit for it. don't be a hater :smiley:
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@ RR dont you start ! its a catch can ! what is it with this forum today ?????? :surprised:
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the catch can kit I bought was for the mk5 GTI, so I can't complain really Robin, they don't get the S3 in the states so thay havn't developed a kit for it. don't be a hater :smiley:
Amen to that! :happy2:
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Still off topic I know, but I can't help thinking that BSH haven't fully considered how their CatchCan kit fits into the whole range of cars on the 2.0T FSI platform. A poor oversight imo.
Why done you just return it Robin as your constant and multiple criticisms of their product all across the site today is really starting to take the piss now.
If this was a GB you had organised or a product from one of your "preferred companies" I am sure we will not being seeing the same attitude.
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Well if any of you S3 boys find a decent spot be sure to post it up. I'm going to install the catch can somewhere anyway as I won't be getting a CAI for a little while yet.
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Well if any of you S3 boys find a decent spot be sure to post it up. I'm going to install the catch can somewhere anyway as I won't be getting a CAI for a little while yet.
I'll post some pics 2 morra pal, where I've put mine for the minute, I've used 1 of the std battery tray mount bolts which meant not drilling or fettling anything so if/when I have to move it for the intake it won't be an issue :happy2:
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Yeh yay yay! Tut-tut! I'm not being a hater - I'm merely voicing a critical opinion. I'm not on an anti-BSH mission but merely pointing out a shortcoming.
Does it not make good commercial sense that if you are developing and manufacturing a product for a particular engine (in this case the 2.0T FSI), then you would achieve more sales by considering your product's design so it would apply successfully to as many cars in the range as possible? Surely it's a no-brainer? Can you really say that this way of thinking is wrong?
I'm not asking everyone to agree with me but what's the point of sharing what I believe is a valid opinion if it results in me being called "a hater"? :rolleye:
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wasn't callin you a hater it was meant as a light hearted jib, hence the smiley. I agree with what your sayin but as far as I know thay don't get any other tfsi variants in the states, they maybe should have looked further a field at the other tfsi's but what do they use for development?
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Still off topic I know, but I can't help thinking that BSH haven't fully considered how their CatchCan kit fits into the whole range of cars on the 2.0T FSI platform. A poor oversight imo.
Why done you just return it Robin as your constant and multiple criticisms of their product all across the site today is really starting to take the piss now.
....As you are aware, Steve, the CatchCan is currently being discussed in several threads and I am merely responding to individual posts as they occur. But I'll try and shutup about Catch Cans.
If this was a GB you had organised or a product from one of your "preferred companies" I am sure we will not being seeing the same attitude.
....Not so, but I don't expect you're prepared to change your opinion of what you call my "attitude". We all have our "preferred companies" - Our individual preferences are a result of good experiences. Loyalties, whether to brands or otherwise, are built on good experiences. A forum is a place where fellow enthusiasts can network and share their experiences and opinions, both good and bad, and it is up to each of us to filter and make our own decisions. Apart from community, the value of a car forum is as a resource - I'm sure you already know this about forums. However, you can't expect to make such a comment directed at me without getting a response.
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I agree with what your sayin but as far as I know thay don't get any other tfsi variants in the states, they maybe should have looked further a field at the other tfsi's but what do they use for development?
....That's a very good point - I had forgotten about the lack of variants across the pond. :happy2:
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This is just copied from my reply in another thread.
The "problem" BSH had was that all the US cars come without the charcoal cannister and the product was initially only designed for those cars. Although not in the instructions, cars with the cannister were presumed to have the can mounted like VWR have done for you.
The fact that you can now mount the can out of the box on the driver's side lis a result of a small change in the design of the bracket that supports the can.
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Well if any of you S3 boys find a decent spot be sure to post it up. I'm going to install the catch can somewhere anyway as I won't be getting a CAI for a little while yet.
I'll post some pics 2 morra pal, where I've put mine for the minute, I've used 1 of the std battery tray mount bolts which meant not drilling or fettling anything so if/when I have to move it for the intake it won't be an issue :happy2:
Thank you that would be great :happy2:
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Can I just say....
wwhhhoooooosssssshhhhhh....flutter...flutter...flutter......wooooooooooossshhhhh..... TISCH!....wooooosssshhhh.... etc :D
Awesome!!
Very pleased with the ITG.
I think I have the first "final" version.
Happy to meeting anyone around West Berks if they want to see/try it.
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Cool.
Can I ask how much you paid ?
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how much and where can i buy it lol :jumping:
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how much and where can i buy it lol :jumping:
.......too much tut
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how much and where can i buy it lol :jumping:
.......too much tut
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nothings to expensive when it goes "wwhhhoooooosssssshhhhhh....flutter...flutter...flutter......wooooooooooossshhhhh..... TISCH!....wooooosssshhhh..."
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We need audio lee :happy2:
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Can I just say....
wwhhhoooooosssssshhhhhh....flutter...flutter...flutter......wooooooooooossshhhhh..... TISCH!....wooooosssshhhh.... etc :D
Awesome!!
Very pleased with the ITG.
I think I have the first "final" version.
Happy to meeting anyone around West Berks if they want to see/try it.
And i came in a close second, got there just after you left i think. You just gotta love the noise the thing makes :laugh:. Oh and its £320+vat for ko4 and £300 for ko3.
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oohhh,
thats just thrown a spanner in the works.
who did you buy that from out of interest.
I was going to order my twintake on monday but if this is £50 less, then i could be sorely tempted to change to this. I love the sound of a loud intake so id be very tempted to get one of these
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And i came in a close second, got there just after you left i think. You just gotta love the noise the thing makes :laugh:.
Yeah, Andy said you were due in at 2pm.
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Bought it direct from ITG, i think the people who have got in touch with Andy@ ITG previously will have first dibs on the first ones to be released but you should be able to order one next week from ITG or preorder one from a somewhere like RS tuning.
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And i came in a close second, got there just after you left i think. You just gotta love the noise the thing makes :laugh:.
Yeah, Andy said you were due in at 2pm.
yep got there at around 2:15 i think, he said hed just fitted one on a ed30.
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Is that 320+vat+fitting?
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Is that 320+vat+fitting?
£320+vat delivered :happy2: i think.
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Its sure aint cheap!
Thats said, I don't mind pying for quality that works! :happy2:
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Driving to work this morning...... Awesome! :congrats:
It's the acceleration combined with the woooosh tish noise! :grin:
Open the engine bay and it's a lovely bit of kit, a friend commented on how well put together it looks.
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Lee, I'll be in Bracknell by 5ish if you want any logging. Noise off a CAI is great isn't it :happy2:
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just emailed RS tuning. about the itg intake. hoping that the main demad at the momnent is for all of the ko4 varients, and there maybe wont be such a wait for the k03 intake
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Driving to work this morning...... Awesome! :congrats:
It's the acceleration combined with the woooosh tish noise! :grin:
Open the engine bay and it's a lovely bit of kit, a friend commented on how well put together it looks.
Any chance of an audio clip lee. :wink:
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Driving to work this morning...... Awesome! :congrats:
It's the acceleration combined with the woooosh tish noise! :grin:
Open the engine bay and it's a lovely bit of kit, a friend commented on how well put together it looks.
Any chance of an audio clip lee. :wink:
Why the desperation Steve? I thought you had finished on the modding now? :smiley:
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I have Dom, but can look but not touch in life cant we? :wink:
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From that first pic, I thought it was going to be a second engine for the boot so you could run 700bhp Steve :wink: :laugh: :laugh:
Looking very tidy. Must be insane to drive, I'm glad I was able to see it in the flesh :smiley:
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I have Dom, but can look but not touch in life cant we? :wink:
Yes, nothing wrong with window shopping at all!
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Hey Dom,
I'm working in Aldermaston currently, so not sure when/where would be best.
An evening suit?
Cheers,
Lee.
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I would take off that supporting screw and nut and use a cable tie or something.
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Sounds nice warren!
take off the engine blanket / noise cover to increase the vroom tish lol
for the record is just sounds identical to my BSH intake which costs half the price..and will no doubt produce silmilar gains.
why is EVERYone on the whole ITG bandwagon? :(
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Sounds nice warren!
take off the engine blanket / noise cover to increase the vroom tish lol
It's all internal soundproofing I'm afraid causing the deadening, the bonnet has no soundproofing underneath.
To be fair it's not the greatest recording device (a little compact camera mounted on a headrest bracket).
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why is EVERYone on the whole ITG bandwagon? :(
Because you're not :P
Or maybe, they've got a proven track record, a history of filtration, superb aftersales care etc etc.
I ran ITG intakes on my Clio 172 and 182, my VX220 and so it made sense to stick with what I know and trust.
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Sounds nice warren!
take off the engine blanket / noise cover to increase the vroom tish lol
for the record is just sounds identical to my BSH intake which costs half the price..and will no doubt produce silmilar gains.
why is EVERYone on the whole ITG bandwagon? :(
Because the forge twintake is potentially flawed, the dbilas too quiet, the evoms too loud, the rest all need modifying for the k04 engine, and because the maf housing is the right size for revo software lol. And I think it looks good to.
Plus I cant get the BSH one because you have one
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why is EVERYone on the whole ITG bandwagon? :(
Because you're not :P
Or maybe, they've got a proven track record, a history of filtration, superb aftersales care etc etc.
I ran ITG intakes on my Clio 172 and 182, my VX220 and so it made sense to stick with what I know and trust.
exactly... a few non turbo cars there ..
BSH are developing mainly for the 2.0 vag platform!
the itg looks pritty and has an established name so lets all get one
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im off to ITG saturday to get mine ftted to the vRS, would have held out for the forge but they showed no interest in trying to get a twintake ddesigned to fit into the vRS, so ITG win.
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im off to ITG saturday to get mine ftted to the vRS, would have held out for the forge but they showed no interest in trying to get a twintake ddesigned to fit into the vRS, so ITG win.
you wont be dissapionted its a good kit :happy2:.
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Sounds nice warren!
take off the engine blanket / noise cover to increase the vroom tish lol
for the record is just sounds identical to my BSH intake which costs half the price..and will no doubt produce silmilar gains.
why is EVERYone on the whole ITG bandwagon? :(
Because the forge twintake is potentially flawed, the dbilas too quiet, the evoms too loud, the rest all need modifying for the k04 engine, and because the maf housing is the right size for revo software lol. And I think it looks good to.
Plus I cant get the BSH one because you have one
Think thats where i'm going wrong with the Dbilas seems to induce the odd missfire at high RPM.
Def liking Waynes BSH (modified) and at half the price! Why are these intakes so expensive?
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im off to ITG saturday to get mine ftted to the vRS, would have held out for the forge but they showed no interest in trying to get a twintake ddesigned to fit into the vRS, so ITG win.
I will see in there tomorrow as I popping up for some new parts for mine :party:
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im off to ITG saturday to get mine ftted to the vRS, would have held out for the forge but they showed no interest in trying to get a twintake ddesigned to fit into the vRS, so ITG win.
I will see in there tomorrow as I popping up for some new parts for mine :party:
might see you both myself :smiley:
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Think thats where i'm going wrong with the Dbilas seems to induce the odd missfire at high RPM.
Def liking Waynes BSH (modified) and at half the price! Why are these intakes so expensive?
I mentioned in the other thread; there's anecdotal evidence of the dbilas intake resulting in lean fuelling under certain conditions. This can lead to that odd misfire... something I have encountered myself.
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Curious about the twinktake being potentially flawed, Jonny C - your thoughts as you've used a pre-production unit which Forge told me has been revised further.
Both ITG and Forge claim to produce similar increases but I would imagine the forge unit to be quiter due to it's enclosed design.
I'm led to believe the delay with the forge units has been in production but these should be available imminently.
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im off to ITG saturday to get mine ftted to the vRS, would have held out for the forge but they showed no interest in trying to get a twintake ddesigned to fit into the vRS, so ITG win.
I will see in there tomorrow as I popping up for some new parts for mine :party:
might see you both myself :smiley:
should be there around 11 am. see you there guys
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How did you chaps get on today?
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I am uploading some photo's on my changes now :happy2:
I am sure Gaz and Simon will post there own comments shortly :smiley:
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So whats going on with this ITG thing? Can I order one now? I desperately need a CAI as my engine cover is kaput and is snapping the sensor on my fuel pump.
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The developed for the Leon cupra is complete and the first production version was shipped Friday.
The S3 one was just about completed today and the Golf by the end of next week.
More parts have been ordered and will be available within a couple of weeks.
Let me know if you want contact details for ITG and will PM them over :happy2:
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The developed for the Leon cupra is complete and the first production version was shipped Friday.
The S3 one was just about completed today and the Golf by the end of next week.
More parts have been ordered and will be available within a couple of weeks.
Let me know if you want contact details for ITG and will PM them over :happy2:
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Send the details to me please Steve Thanks
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^^^ PM'ed :happy2:
Here are the latest developments on mine, ceramic coated pipes :party: :party:
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Even the underside of the heatshield / mounting plate is coated :smiley:
I am trying to these to help establish if this makes enough of a difference to offer it as an option as it's seriously expensive for what it is (the reason it's white is that's the cheapest colour).
Need to sort the final issues out on my car and then I will be able to fully test this and do some detailed logging :fighting2:
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:drool: :drool:
I want! :party:
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:drool: :drool:
I want! :party:
x2 any chance of a group buy :happy2:
Cheers for the pm Steve
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Steve, If the ceramic coatings I have on my Milltek tips are anything to go by, then my money is on you definitely seeing a temperature improvement. However, I don't know how the silicone hose sections will be in this respect.
Are those foam components sitting on the battery etc likely to change?
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Steve is missing an aluminium plate that goes on the engine side of the vertical baffle.
The foam surrounds make a real difference :happy2:
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Steve is missing an aluminium plate that goes on the engine side of the vertical baffle.
The foam surrounds make a real difference :happy2:
So is this the finished article then with the aluminium plate
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^^^ Yep that the one :happy2:
The extra piece on top of the battery box is to help seal off the area and it's fixed down to anything as the slight pressure of the bonnet holds it in place :smiley:
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^^^ PM'ed :happy2:
Here are the latest developments on mine, ceramic coated pipes :party: :party:
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Even the underside of the heatshield / mounting plate is coated :smiley:
I am trying to these to help establish if this makes enough of a difference to offer it as an option as it's seriously expensive for what it is (the reason it's white is that's the cheapest colour).
Need to sort the final issues out on my car and then I will be able to fully test this and do some detailed logging :fighting2:
cool, can you send me the pm?
Any known retailers yet?
Think a group buy would be a major success?
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^^^ PM Sent :happy2:
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So whats going on with this ITG thing? Can I order one now? I desperately need a CAI as my engine cover is kaput and is snapping the sensor on my fuel pump.
far as im aware everything is good to go he fit mine last friday and said they could start taking orders altough the people who contacted him directly would get theres first.
The foam thingy works really well after a couple of long drives lifted the bonnet up and all nice and cold. Thinking of getting a pipe up from the the bottom grill to help airflow to it if theres enough room.
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gaz kindly took me out in his S3 after he had his intake fitted on saturday and the sound on his was vocal but not over powering at all. it sounded nice and meaty.
andy then fitted mine, in alot less time, mostly due to the extra cubic metre of room i had in my engine bay.
first things first the sound it made was much louder than gaz's IMO probably down to the additional sound proofing the S3 will have over mine being the poor cousin. According to andy mine wasnt as loud as the seat leon though, he said that was very very vocal in comparison.
Im mega impressed with the workmanship on it, Ive never worked with a man who was so enthusiastic about his work in my life,in this case filters. he was like a kid in toystore. there are alot of little design features on it especially in the silicone hoses that put this intake above others in the market,the attention to detail was evident everywhere in it.
I thought i had issues though when i test drove it after fitment though. I had mega hesitation at 4000rpm, but this soon changed and all hesitation was replaced by a smooth power band. My guess is that the air fuel ratio would have gone a bit tits up due to the mass of air now coming in compared to before. The ecu has obviously adapted now as that hesitation is long gone.
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glad your happy pal, good to meet you yesterday :smiley:
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Glad yo got it sorted Simon! :happy2:
There's certainly a few out there now. :congrats:
Like you, I don't think I've met someone quite like Andy, who clearly loves his job and is VERY knowledgeable about it. A real asset to ITG!
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According to andy mine wasnt as loud as the seat leon though, he said that was very very vocal in comparison.
dont know if he was reffering to mine or Revo,s but mine has the forge spacer on and it is properly loud when you ease off the throttle, think taking the spacer out will help.
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I have stayed away from this thread as i wanted to see the finsihed product as when i first saw the ITG it def looked a work in progress its now far better looking than the original version the coating aids this. my only wee gripe and its bordering being padantic is the ITG logo's i wish they all ran the same way, the one before the heatshield spoils it for me. bit OCD :grin:
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very OCD Keith :laugh:, keep takin the pills :laugh:
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Havin said that tho.... have you noticed how Andy lines up all the jubilee clips? :grin: All the same on all the cars.
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There's absolutely no question that the standard of build is superb and that ITG and Andy are very expert specialists. But there is one concern I have and it can only be based on what's been presented to us so far - It's the foam around the battery.
Although I appreciate that the closed bonnet will keep these foam components in place it possibly assumes that everyone has the oem lining fitted in their bonnet and/or that they don't have carbonfibre bonnets. How does it fit then? And how do these foam blocks not blow away when you open your bonnet on a windy day?
To be honest I think that currently these foam blocks (not the vertical alu lined shield) don't match the very high standard of engineering/design of the rest of the ITG kit.
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:laugh: I noticed that, Andy is a self confessed caffeine fueled OCD member :happy2:
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The foam strip across the top of the battery box is fixed into the wing through the oem hole.
You could velcro the foam if you so wish, I've yet to have an issue when opening the bonnet.
Also, the foam compresses nicely, so I believe it would work well even on a CF bonnet.
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The foam strip across the top of the battery box is fixed into the wing through the oem hole.
You could velcro the foam if you so wish, I've yet to have an issue when opening the bonnet.
Also, the foam compresses nicely, so I believe it would work well even on a CF bonnet.
....Ah, good. Useful info, Lee :drinking:
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First true production kit for the Golf left ITG today and is now sat in my hall ready to be fitted to someone's car in the morning (unless I receive any better offers in the mean time). :laugh: :laugh:
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It also includes a slight revision to the foam shield with a rubber edging strip now included on the ali plate and the foam edge is now tappered as well :happy2:
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Also had the forth version put on mine today with the production parts too, next week it's being dyno'ed to get a true before and after :popcornsoda:
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:party: :party: :party: :party: :jumpmove: :jumpmove: :jumpmove:
Bring on the Lord of the Sith! :laugh:
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I take it you still want it then :signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL:
Why don't you bring some more money tomorrow and we can get you a pump as well :evilgrin:
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I take it you still want it then :signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL:
Why don't you bring some more money tomorrow and we can get you a pump as well :evilgrin:
Why have you taken yours off? :laugh: :wink:
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Nope but I have a nice shiney new one in my hall which I am open to offers on :P :P
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Nope but I have a nice shiney new one in my hall which I am open to offers on :P :P
PM incoming! :wink:
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Nath, would be rude not to!
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Nath, would be rude not to!
:innocent:
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Do it Greenie! :pomppomp: :pomppomp: :pomppomp:
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Do it Greenie! :pomppomp: :pomppomp: :pomppomp:
This place is just shocking! :surprised:
I've seen your list to Tom, you worry about that not mine! :signLOL: (it's longer! :laugh:)
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Just wondering if Steve or anybody with the ITG has done any boost logs in Vag-Com? Does this over come the shortfall in actual vs requested boost towards redline as seen on Revo Stage 2+ with the standard airbox?
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Just wondering if Steve or anybody with the ITG has done any boost logs in Vag-Com? Does this over come the shortfall in actual vs requested boost towards redline as seen on Revo Stage 2+ with the standard airbox?
Can't remember checking this lately but will log the car tomorrow and let you know :happy2:
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Be interested in seeing that logfile Steve :happy2: Be good to compare the ITG to EVOMS etc...
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Be interested in seeing that logfile Steve :happy2: Be good to compare the ITG to EVOMS etc...
You around this week Dom? One evening?
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Be interested in seeing that logfile Steve :happy2: Be good to compare the ITG to EVOMS etc...
You around this week Dom? One evening?
I sam indeedy, only night that is a problem for me this week is Thursday. Just let me know - you still pleased with it Lee?
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Just wondering if Steve or anybody with the ITG has done any boost logs in Vag-Com? Does this over come the shortfall in actual vs requested boost towards redline as seen on Revo Stage 2+ with the standard airbox?
Can't remember checking this lately but will log the car tomorrow and let you know :happy2:
Cheers bud! :wink:
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Stage 2+ is an extra file you pay for on top of stage2 right.
I thought a CAI of any description was mandatory for at this point anyway.
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Stage 2+ is an extra file you pay for on top of stage2 right.
I thought a CAI of any description was mandatory for at this point anyway.
Correct (£50) - code is optimised for uprated HPFP.
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Stage 2+ is an extra file you pay for on top of stage2 right.
I thought a CAI of any description was mandatory for at this point anyway.
you can run stg2+ without an intake, but to get the full benefit you need 1 :smiley:
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Stage 2+ is an extra file you pay for on top of stage2 right.
I thought a CAI of any description was mandatory for at this point anyway.
You can run Stage 2+ with the standard airbox providing you keep the boost setting down, although Revo do advise you to install a CAI as the standard airbox is too restrictive so can't physically deliver the amount of air required to meet the requested boost from 6krpm onwards on high boost settings. I personally would not run above boost 6 until you fit a CAI.
This is the reason i asked the question as i wanted to confirm that the ITG filter overcomes the shortall in boost towards redline as im sure it will. I look forward to seeing some logs :happy2:
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CAI is a bit improvement especially with the revo code adjustment.
big power from a downpipe too
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Are there any ITG Vs Dbilas stage 2+ comparisons yet?
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i have mine fitted mike if you wanna take a look and have a listen to it. i would say compare performance but im sure your k04 would struggle to keep with the blue bolt :grin: :wink:
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Mine's already running Stage 2 with B8t6f9 as are many on here with no adverse affects from VAG-COM but agreed, yes it will run significantly better with the CAI.
I will post my finding on friday, fingers crossed.
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Robern2 - would be interesting to do some logging on your current set up and then repeating once you have a CAI :happy2:
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Stage 2+ is an extra file you pay for on top of stage2 right.
I thought a CAI of any description was mandatory for at this point anyway.
You can run Stage 2+ with the standard airbox providing you keep the boost setting down, although Revo do advise you to install a CAI as the standard airbox is too restrictive so can't physically deliver the amount of air required to meet the requested boost from 6krpm onwards on high boost settings. I personally would not run above boost 6 until you fit a CAI.
This is the reason i asked the question as i wanted to confirm that the ITG filter overcomes the shortall in boost towards redline as im sure it will. I look forward to seeing some logs :happy2:
This is correct. I was stage 2 plus with just hpfp until recently and power tailed right off at 6000rpm. Now with the ITG the car holds power much much better higher up the rev range.
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I must admit mine doesn't tail off at 6k
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I must admit mine doesn't tail off at 6k
have you had it on a dyno because most do. i think youll be able to feel the difference top end once a cai is fitted.
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I dare say it may on the dyno on friday but based on personal observation it certainly doesn't feel breathless beyond 6k.
Agreed, the ITG will certainly help in this respect though.
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Bodes well for the Forge as it has extra intake.
Based on what I learnt from being frazzled by science from Andy at ITG yesterday I would not 100% sure about the extra intake adding any benefit.
Really, have they done any CFD then? :indifferent: Because the position of the standard air intake, being closer to the vertical centre line of the car, will ALWAYS have far better airflow displacement than an intake near the outer edges of the car.
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Bodes well for the Forge as it has extra intake.
Based on what I learnt from being frazzled by science from Andy at ITG yesterday I would not 100% sure about the extra intake adding any benefit.
Really, have they done any CFD then? :indifferent: Because the position of the standard air intake, being closer to the vertical centre line of the car, will ALWAYS have far better airflow displacement than an intake near the outer edges of the car.
I respect you have an opinion but I haven't seen any logging data or physical evidence to support the forge intake providing any benefit from having two intake points. I like the idea of the forge but feel it's design is lead more by being unique rather than the best engineered.
I have personally seen the ITG CAI increase the airflow reading on the maf on mine.
It is also being dyno'ed on Friday with the car returned to stock intake with a nearly new OEM paper filter to run first as a bench mark. So by the weekend I will also have some more details on the improvement this kit makes.
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Not sure if these will work but here are a couple of sound clips :smiley:
Clip 1 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/downloads/clip1.m4a)
Clip 2 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/downloads/clip2.m4a)
Should give you an idea of some of the noises it makes :party: :party:
EDIT - Don't click these links if you are incapable of using a computer, they are in m4a format (taken from the voice recorder on my iPhone), so will try to open in iTunes
They also work in the Apple QuickTime player for those without iTunes. :happy2:
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^^^ PM'ed :happy2:
Here are the latest developments on mine, ceramic coated pipes :party: :party:
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Would they do the coating in black, to match the hoses? More of a 'stealth' look?
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Bodes well for the Forge as it has extra intake.
Based on what I learnt from being frazzled by science from Andy at ITG yesterday I would not 100% sure about the extra intake adding any benefit.
Really, have they done any CFD then? :indifferent: Because the position of the standard air intake, being closer to the vertical centre line of the car, will ALWAYS have far better airflow displacement than an intake near the outer edges of the car.
I respect you have an opinion but I haven't seen any logging data or physical evidence to support the forge intake providing any benefit from having two intake points.
OK. And it would seem from further reading of the thread that the bonnet aerodynamics may not be best optimised for the standard air inlet. :happy2:
Maybe ask Andy at ITG if they could get an intake pick-up from the lower central grille - because that is where the absolute highest displacement pressure would be - though that might need some serious modifying of the front bumper. Or how about modifying the front VW badge - a'la McLaren Mercedes SLR? Would that be 'do-able'?
I like the idea of the forge but feel it's design is lead more by being unique rather than the best engineered.
Yeah, I sorta agree. Forge stuff is generally excellent, but they certainly know how to 'over-engineer' stuff, and I'm not really convinced by their particular offering. :popcornsoda:
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^^^ PM'ed :happy2:
Here are the latest developments on mine, ceramic coated pipes :party: :party:
Would they do the coating in black, to match the hoses? More of a 'stealth' look?
Yes, eventually if its proved the coating works
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Maybe ask Andy at ITG if they could get an intake pick-up from the lower central grille - because that is where the absolute highest displacement pressure would be - though that might need some serious modifying of the front bumper. Or how about modifying the front VW badge - a'la McLaren Mercedes SLR? Would that be 'do-able'?
....Yes that can be done. I've been having lengthy email chats with Andy at ITG about doing something different for my car and he says that the best position is as you also suggest, TT : - Lower central grill. In practical terms I would fit an inlet to one side of that central lower grill. It would be more effective than via the foglight panel which is beginning to slip air around the side. A hose would duct the air up to where the ITG filter is located in front of the battery.
Looking at the pic of my car in my sig, the circular inlet would be below the 'D' of 'RED' in my numberplate.
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Steve, is it Zircotec that are doing the coatings?
Intake is looking really nice now!