MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: gazbutS3 on August 20, 2009, 08:49:19 am
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I won a BSH PCV fix on ebay last night, wondered if I was bidding against anybody on here :smiley:
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cool , whats the damage as theres quite a lot of interest in these just now :wink:
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paid 138quid, which was more than I was planning but I got a bit of auction fever :laugh:
still there 180quid on their website :happy2:
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Id be happy paying that , tis a fair price :happy2:
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I also won one yesterday morning - £126 plus post. I also wondered about other forum bidders.
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I wonder if you'll have to improvise a position to hold the catch can bracket on your S3...
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I'll have a look, I'm pretty handy at sheet metal work so it'll be no problem to knock somethin up :happy2:
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i was bidding and thinking the same thing . recon if they keep running auctions we should take it in turns but only bid just over £100 say £110 .
any one up for it ? if so im going 1st
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I was thinkin that myself last night, I could be biddin against 1 of you lot, but if we all agreed to take it turns and only bid the minimum required we could all grab a bargain :happy2:, bit late for me :smiley:
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I won the one the night before. For sure I was bidding against some of you. :booty:
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I wanted one for £100, but couldnt wait till you lot had all bought yours first and not bidding for them any more. :signLOL:
So i just bought the stage 1 fix for £70. Which im still waiting for delivery on. :sad1:
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-Golf-Mk5-GTI-BSH-Race-PCV-Catch-Can-Breather-System_W0QQitemZ180398813018QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item2a009b6f5a&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
is this the one that you have all been bidding on.
How easy are they to fit. I take it this is mainly for keeing your engine clean and prolonging the life abit more. is that it or are there other benefits??
Sy
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Nope that's that open version that will vent the flumes into the engine bay :sick:
It the PCV Stage 2 Kit people have been buying :happy2:
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-Golf-Mk5-GTI-BSH-Race-PCV-Catch-Can-Breather-System_W0QQitemZ180398813018QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item2a009b6f5a&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
this one then??
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Nope :laugh:
This one: - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-Golf-Mk5-2-0T-FSI-GTI-BSH-Catch-Can-Kit_W0QQitemZ180398504245QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item2a0096b935&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
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I got out bid on 2 last week both of them going for above £ 140 :sad1:
So hurry up and buy them will you lot and tell me when you all have one, so i can bid again. :laugh:
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Nope :laugh:
This one: - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-Golf-Mk5-2-0T-FSI-GTI-BSH-Catch-Can-Kit_W0QQitemZ180398504245QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item2a0096b935&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
thats the 1 im bidding on . please leave it alone :)
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2 bids now!! :laugh:
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this may sound silly but how about we contact the ebay seller to arrange a GB ? rather than shafting each other...
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this may sound silly but how about we contact the ebay seller to arrange a GB ? rather than shafting each other...
Well voluntered John! :congrats: I'll get the list started :laugh:
1. John_o
2. Greenouse
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this may sound silly but how about we contact the ebay seller to arrange a GB ? rather than shafting each other...
I have already email Ben @ Dubtek to ask :happy2:
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Im in on this!! :happy2:
you want me to email them?
1. John_o
2. Greenouse
3. Joesgti
EDIT... just seen above quote
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Build up a list so we have some numbers and I will see that he says :happy2:
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this may sound silly but how about we contact the ebay seller to arrange a GB ? rather than shafting each other...
I have already email Ben @ Dubtek to ask :happy2:
cool :happy2:
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Ill have one, price dependant... :happy2:
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I'm definately up for this depending on what the price that's offered is :happy2:
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I suspect these are on ebay in numbers atm as BSH are trying to shift their stock of smaller cans so are selling the kits to Dubtek at cost or below. The newer larger capacity can with dipstick would be the kit of choice for the US market seeing that fitment is not hampered by the charcoal cannister.
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If the seller does one I'll certainly purchase one or if its too much just make one at work.
Luke
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PLEASE ADD YOUR NAMES TO THE LIST IS YOUR INTERESTED.
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No need to shout Joe... :smiley:
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meh.... had caps on
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1. John_o
2. Greenouse
3. Joesgti
4. simonskerton
count me in on that boys provided wer in the £ 100 region
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thanks Nathan , when did I say I was even buying one ? :signLOL:
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thanks Nathan , when did I say I was even buying one ? :signLOL:
If there's some money to be saved you'll be at the front of the queue! :laugh: :wink:
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1. John_o
2. Greenouse
3. Joesgti
4. simonskerton
5. Mike
count me in on that boys provided wer in the £ 100 region
^^ What sy says
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Why not ask the ebay trader if he will do a group buy for you all at £100?
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I'd be in for a decent price GB on these.
1. John_o
2. Greenouse
3. Joesgti
4. simonskerton
5. Mike
6. Stu
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1. John_o
2. Greenouse
3. Joesgti
4. simonskerton
5. Mike
6. Stu
7. Snapey
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1. John_o
2. Greenouse
3. Joesgti
4. simonskerton
5. Mike
6. Stu
7. Snapey
8. gillm
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I have asked for a price based on 10 units so just need two more, remember this isn't a commitment to buy at this stage :happy2:
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Why not ask the ebay trader if he will do a group buy for you all at £100?
The ebay trader IS dubtek the UK distributor.
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If you could get it near £100 then I'm in. Thought about the BSH stage 1 fix but meh. So added to list :happy2:
1. John_o
2. Greenouse
3. Joesgti
4. simonskerton
5. Mike
6. Stu
7. Snapey
8. gillm
9. Hurdy
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1. John_o
2. Greenouse
3. Joesgti
4. simonskerton
5. Mike
6. Stu
7. Snapey
8. gillm
9. Hurdy
10. Top cat :pomppomp:
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Woop fingers crossed, £100 delivered? :party: Wanted to do WALK as i have a suspect 'knock' on the nearside suspension I want looking at but keen to save
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1. John_o
2. Greenouse
3. Joesgti
4. simonskerton
5. Mike
6. Stu
7. Snapey
8. gillm
9. Hurdy
10. Top cat
11. candy turbo (i want the gauze one not the wire wool one )
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jeeze quickest fully subscribed possible group buy :signLOL: EVER
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At this rate is it worth seeing if we can get 20 people to secure an even better deal?
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^^^ Yep keep the names coming :happy2:
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will it be the newer can with the gauze rather than the wire wool inside???
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i want the gauze one not the wire wool one
The cans that are on sale now are all revision 2 cans that are devoid of the steel wool. :happy2:
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1. John_o
2. Greenouse
3. Joesgti
4. simonskerton
5. Mike
6. Stu
7. Snapey
8. gillm
9. Hurdy
10. Top cat
11. candy turbo
12. RedRobin (possibly)
Does it fit with an oem engine cover?
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it certainly does :happy2:
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1. John_o
2. Greenouse
3. Joesgti
4. simonskerton
5. Mike
6. Stu
7. Snapey
8. gillm
9. Hurdy
10. Top cat
11. candy turbo
12. RedRobin (possibly)
Does it fit with an oem engine cover?
it certainly does :happy2:
Yup, seen a pic with engine cover and pcv fix...
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^^^^
Thanx, guys :drinking:
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1. John_o
2. Greenouse
3. Joesgti
4. simonskerton
5. Mike
6. Stu
7. Snapey
8. gillm
9. Hurdy
10. Top cat
11. candy turbo
12. RedRobin (possibly)
13. oldtomo (possibly)
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^^^ Here's mine before intake was fitted: -
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fkk207%2FStevep_010%2FIMG_0119.jpg&hash=c1e1333be01befc7b19fe27a52a0b27aab960d8a)
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Thanks for the pic, Steve :happy2:
I may have to fit it in a slightly different position if possible. I can't say why at the moment.
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post else where its gonna clog the big GB. :party: not meaning to be rude :happy2:
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NOS or Water Meth or both :happy2:
Good choice RR :evilgrin:
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fitted mine in the same place as plan to get one of these new intakes
just one question how do you go about empyting it, silly question but I didnt fit it so whats best way to get it off and then emptied?
after seeing what was in yours Steve I best check mine as done similar mileage
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Dunno what it does, but if this many people want it.... I'm in!!
1. John_o
2. Greenouse
3. Joesgti
4. simonskerton
5. Mike
6. Stu
7. Snapey
8. gillm
9. Hurdy
10. Top cat
11. candy turbo
12. RedRobin (possibly)
13. oldtomo (possibly)
14. CocoPops
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Ok quick update for 10+ units will be £110 and 20+ units will be £100.
Full details to follow in the morning. :happy2:
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just one question how do you go about empyting it, silly question but I didnt fit it so whats best way to get it off and then emptied?
after seeing what was in yours Steve I best check mine as done similar mileage
There should be a valve you open at the bottom of the can to empty its contents.
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Nice work Steve, thanks.
I'm in at £100 - Is that a delivered price?
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Ok quick update for 10+ units will be £110 and 20+ units will be £100.
Full details to follow in the morning. :happy2:
Result!
Nice one PG :happy2:
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Dunno what it does, but if this many people want it.... I'm in!!
:grin: :laugh: :laugh:
Ok quick update for 10+ units will be £110 and 20+ units will be £100.
Full details to follow in the morning. :happy2:
Result!
Nice one PG :happy2:
X2 :happy2:
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Nice work Steve, thanks.
I'm in at £100 - Is that a delivered price?
^^^ me too please, hope its delivered
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It looks nice so it would be rude not to.
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nice one Steve :happy2:
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1. John_o
2. Greenouse
3. Joesgti
4. simonskerton
5. Mike
6. Stu
7. Snapey
8. gillm
9. Hurdy
10. Top cat
11. candy turbo
12. RedRobin (possibly)
13. oldtomo (possibly)
14. CocoPops
15. Cooper
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Yes that is a delivered price.
We can also get the latest high capacity cans on this group buy for the same price :happy2:
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1. John_o
2. Greenouse
3. Joesgti
4. simonskerton
5. Mike
6. Stu
7. Snapey
8. gillm
9. Hurdy
10. Top cat
11. candy turbo
12. RedRobin (possibly)
13. oldtomo (possibly)
14. CocoPops
15. Cooper
16. Keith nobody tell her'indoors its a faulty part mind :wink:
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Yes that is a delivered price.
We can also get the latest high capacity cans on this group buy for the same price :happy2:
I'd definitely take the high capacity one if it's available as it comes with a dipstick so you can check the level inside
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We can also get the latest high capacity cans on this group buy for the same price :happy2:
....Ooops! A bigger can could create a space prob for me - I best find out more detail from Dubtek before I can confirm.
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Im sure he'll suply you with std size can :wink:
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does it get any better Steve :drool:
next youll be saying it comes with a free intake :signLOL:
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Dunno what it does, but if this many people want it.... I'm in!!
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.carbing.co.jp%2Fenglish%2Fproducts%2Fcatch%2Fimage%2Ftheory_oil.gif&hash=59e3c160a905d65a260f86c3f57b142558740927)
HTH :happy2:
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big catch can please :jumpmove: im sure the order can be mixed and matched. are they easily fitted by one self, even if you have mong fingers.
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count me in :happy2:
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1. John_o
2. Greenouse
3. Joesgti
4. simonskerton
5. Mike
6. Stu
7. Snapey
8. gillm
9. Hurdy
10. Top cat
11. candy turbo
12. RedRobin (possibly)
13. oldtomo (possibly)
14. CocoPops
15. Cooper
16.BMX
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Bah, as I already have the PCV fix from BSH do you think Dubtek would do me a cheap water meth kit from BSH instead?
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cant hurt to ask, do it, i want water meth but havent read of anyone using it yet. I need a guinee pig
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This is one group buy im not missing out on. count me in
1. John_o
2. Greenouse
3. Joesgti
4. simonskerton
5. Mike
6. Stu
7. Snapey
8. gillm
9. Hurdy
10. Top cat
11. candy turbo
12. RedRobin (possibly)
13. oldtomo (possibly)
14. CocoPops
15. Cooper
16.BMX
17. Iainalpine
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Does anyone have physical dimensions of the two cans? Do they both fit ok in the front left position?
I see the larger one has the nice addition of the level dipstick.
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Bah, as I already have the PCV fix from BSH do you think Dubtek would do me a cheap water meth kit from BSH instead?
Likewsie I allready have the PCV Fix so am looking into the water/meth kit.
Once we get this one up and running and I have seen a kit for myself I will be happy to organise a another group buy on these. :happy2:
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Count me in
1. John_o
2. Greenouse
3. Joesgti
4. simonskerton
5. Mike
6. Stu
7. Snapey
8. gillm
9. Hurdy
10. Top cat
11. candy turbo
12. RedRobin (possibly)
13. oldtomo (possibly)
14. CocoPops
15. Cooper
16.BMX
17. MatEd30
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Ok, full details are now in the group buy section - http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=7037.0
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My Stage 1 just arrived in the post. :happy2:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=5639.msg108883#msg108883
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Does anyone have physical dimensions of the two cans? Do they both fit ok in the front left position?
....The guy at Dubtek who knows such info is away today but will get back to me. I need to know this too. In fact I'm in Exeter one day next week and intend to drop by Dubtek to physically see the fit - I need to know accurately before I can confirm being in on this GB.
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What do you need to know the dimensions of the the standard or high capacity can?
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What do you need to know the dimensions of the the standard or high capacity can?
....There's a word wrong there ^ methinks - Are you asking me why I need to know, Steve?
If so, as I posted earlier, I can't divulge at this time (a new product being developed for that position). I'd also like to be able to move the charcoal box.
I was going to visit Dubtek anyway on my next trip to Exeter before this GB started.
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For those who have take there happy pills today here are the approx dimensions of the standard size can: -
260mm deep (top to bottom inc the top hose connection and bottom drain valve)
95mm wide (at the widest point where the connections are)
50mm wide (across the narrowest point)
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What do you need to know the dimensions of the the standard or high capacity can?
....There's a word wrong there ^ methinks - Are you asking me why I need to know, Steve?
....There's a mis read post there ^ methinks.
Any better Robin??
What do you need to know the dimensions of? The standard, or high capacity can?
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Yes, sorry, Steve - I misread your first sentence due to punctuation (having an English public school education has its disadvantages sometimes) - My apologies :smiley: And thanks, Deako.
And many thanks for the dimensions of the standard size can :drinking:
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cant hurt to ask, do it, i want water meth but havent read of anyone using it yet. I need a guinee pig
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Somehow Matt copied an earlier post, missing out Iain.... you wally :signLOL:
Fixed :happy2:
1. John_o
2. Greenouse
3. Joesgti
4. simonskerton
5. Mike
6. Stu
7. Snapey
8. gillm
9. Hurdy
10. Top cat
11. candy turbo
12. RedRobin (possibly)
13. oldtomo (possibly)
14. CocoPops
15. Cooper
16.BMX
17. Iainalpine
18. MatEd30
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I'm in. just need 1 more now! :pomppomp:
1. John_o
2. Greenouse
3. Joesgti
4. simonskerton
5. Mike
6. Stu
7. Snapey
8. gillm
9. Hurdy
10. Top cat
11. candy turbo
12. RedRobin (possibly)
13. oldtomo (possibly)
14. CocoPops
15. Cooper
16.BMX
17. Iainalpine
18. MatEd30
19. Cochese
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I wouldn't add your name to this list. There's a proper list in the group buy section. Unless you don't want to be disappointed I'd slap it down there because I'm sure this was a 'Feeler' list?
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oops! cheers snapey :happy2:
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Linky to group buy :happy2:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=7037.msg109082#new
There's about 3 0r 4 missing off the official GB list, so check fella's :happy2:
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I'm holding back off the 'official' list in the other thread until I have visited Dubtek next week to see how things might fit my particular engine bay circumstances.
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As we now have the required 20 people to be as fair as possible the list will remain open until 9:00am on Monday morning.
I will forward payment details out to everyone over the weekend.
This way you can all get you payments into Dubtek ready as soon as they re-open after the weekend so they can get the order into BSH.
Also worth reading StokeBalloon's note on the GB thread before you make your choice about the can size you select :happy2:
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Steve whilst I appreciate that everyone wants their kit yesterday and bearing in mind that this GB was only posted today, should you not wait a little longer than "till Monday morning" as I 'm sure a few more "stragglers" would sign up.
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^^^ But at the same time we will also lose people, from experience these need to be completed while the idea is fresh in everyone's mind :smiley:
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a wee daft question it states that for those in areas where it freezes they must watch that this doesnt freeze the contents of the can is there anything avail to stop this happening or can i just make a wee thermal coat for the wee blighter?
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a wee daft question it states that for those in areas where it freezes they must watch that this doesnt freeze the contents of the can is there anything avail to stop this happening or can i just make a wee thermal coat for the wee blighter?
I don't think that statement should worry you unduely as it's really a disclaimer primarily aimed at the North American crowd who suffer weeks of sub zero temps.
This issue first presented itself with the first can version that used steel wool. The wool was situated at the top of the can where the gases/vapours entered via the inlet hose. During winter with prolonged sub zreo temps, the can sometimes never fully thawed out (especially if journeys were short) and the steel wool with frozen condensed water in the mesh became a physical blockage to the gases flowing through the can leading to marked back pressure in the system.
The newer cans don't have this steel wool and the hoses are now routed differently so that the inlet is at the side of the can and not the top. This arrangement greatly minimises any issues with freezing temps.
hth
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Thanks :happy2: wanted to make sure.
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Thanks :happy2: wanted to make sure.
....But you can still knit it a wee bonnie oiled wool cover if you want :evilgrin:
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I think I'm interested too !
1. John_o
2. Greenouse
3. Joesgti
4. simonskerton
5. Mike
6. Stu
7. Snapey
8. gillm
9. Hurdy
10. Top cat
11. candy turbo
12. RedRobin (possibly)
13. oldtomo (possibly)
14. CocoPops
15. Cooper
16.BMX
17. Iainalpine
18. MatEd30
19. Cochese
20. Garethmk1
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^^^ You need to sign up on the Group buy thread is you want to participate, this was just a feeler/info thread :happy2:
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Steve have you had to empty yours yet - ie it what is the approximate frequency of emptying the smaller can?
With regard to delaying longer than Monday I agree with Steve, I'd most likely pull out if it runs on longer and just buy one while I'm in the states next month. The list has in excess of 20 people on it last time I looked so it seems we're ready to go.
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I emptied mine after 1800 miles / 2 weeks and this is how much was in the can: -
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fkk207%2FStevep_010%2Fphoto-4.jpg&hash=c44f965b8e7b3ab26f5b5ecc31c63c89e0aa3d77)
So around a 1/4 of the can I reckon.
My target to be safe is going to be emptying it every 3000-4000 miles :happy2:
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With regard to delaying longer than Monday I agree with Steve, I'd most likely pull out if it runs on longer and just buy one while I'm in the states next month. The list has in excess of 20 people on it last time I looked so it seems we're ready to go.
The only reason I commented on delaying is that this is a "holiday month" and so some folk who would otherwise want to be included in this GB are going to miss out.
btw I doubt you'd want to skip this GB and purchase in the states as it'll cost you just under $275US for the standard kit vs £100 on this GB.
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I emptied mine after 1800 miles / 2 weeks and this is how much was in the can: -
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fkk207%2FStevep_010%2Fphoto-4.jpg&hash=c44f965b8e7b3ab26f5b5ecc31c63c89e0aa3d77)
So around a 1/4 of the can I reckon.
My target to be safe is going to be emptying it every 3000-4000 miles :happy2:
I'm sure Mrs P was pleased to see that in the kitchen. :sick:
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I'm sure Mrs P was pleased to see that in the kitchen. :sick:
....Mrs P used it to marinate Mr P's dinner which she left out for him when he was late home.
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I emptied mine after 1800 miles / 2 weeks and this is how much was in the can: -
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fkk207%2FStevep_010%2Fphoto-4.jpg&hash=c44f965b8e7b3ab26f5b5ecc31c63c89e0aa3d77)
....72,000 divided by 1,800 = 40. So logically my car has the result of 40 times that amount of Coca-Cola! :scared:
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btw I doubt you'd want to skip this GB and purchase in the states as it'll cost you just under $275US for the standard kit vs £100 on this GB.
I have reasons for not wanting to wait any longer, so getting one either in the US or in one of the eBay sales would be ok. I'd just take the hit and pay the price.
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^^^ You need to sign up on the Group buy thread is you want to participate, this was just a feeler/info thread :happy2:
I think u'll find it was my little thread thats been totally hi-jacked and your all gonna get cheaper catch cans just to top it off :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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:P :P :P
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LOL :signLOL:
And it was me who showed you all the nasty pics from the thread on the Vwgolf forum, plus suggested a group buy instead of fighting discussing who should ebay when :wink: :innocent:
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:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
A familiar story! :P :P :P :grin:
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anyway mines here already :P
well at the sorting office because I was away sunning myself in Anglesey :smiley:
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Gonna have to pass on this one for the time being, ran outa funds for this next month as Mr Wigit is my bank manager this month :pomppomp:
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Gonna have to pass on this one for the time being, ran outa funds for this next month as Mr Wigit is my bank manager this month :pomppomp:
Seeing so many guys taking up this GB, I am pretty sure you'll get one off ebay for just over the £100 starting price as there will be no one left wanting one. :smiley:
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okay.. I read up on this (cos I had know Idea what it is..) and....I still don't! :signLOL: but so many have signed up for this it must be something good.... can anyone put this into really plain English for me? So I can make a decision as to whether it's worth getting!
Muchos Gracias! :happy2:
With forced induction vapourised oil particles are forced into / onto the intake valves where they deposit and cool causing dirty build up of dry oil on the valves.
the pcv fix diverts the oil vapour to a 'catch can' which can be emptied....
HTH
Sorry, but that is pure and utter BS.
Forced induction has absolutely NOTHING to do with the way the PCV valve works. There are some exceedingly gullable peeps here if they think this is a 'valid product' . Save your money any spend it on some thing that is atually NEEDED - as this absolutely is NOT needed!
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There are some exceedingly gullable peeps here if they think this is a 'valid product' . Save your money any spend it on some thing that is atually NEEDED - as this absolutely is NOT needed!
Ok TT, bold statement - I'm all ears for the reasoning. :evilgrin:
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TT's back!!! :chicken:
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Sorry, but that is pure and utter BS.
Forced induction has absolutely NOTHING to do with the way the PCV valve works. There are some exceedingly gullable peeps here if they think this is a 'valid product' . Save your money any spend it on some thing that is atually NEEDED - as this absolutely is NOT needed!
T_T, which I appreciate you like to voice your opinion when you don't agree with a product or someone's statement. This thread is not the place to do it.
If you want to discuss this further please do so in one of the threads in the main section or your posts will be removed.
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There are some exceedingly gullable peeps here if they think this is a 'valid product' . Save your money any spend it on some thing that is atually NEEDED - as this absolutely is NOT needed!
Ok TT, bold statement - I'm all ears for the reasoning. :evilgrin:
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Sorry, but that is pure and utter BS.
Forced induction has absolutely NOTHING to do with the way the PCV valve works. There are some exceedingly gullable peeps here if they think this is a 'valid product' . Save your money any spend it on some thing that is atually NEEDED - as this absolutely is NOT needed!
T_T, which I appreciate you like to voice your opinion when you don't agree with a product or someone's statement. This thread is not the place to do it.
If you want to discuss this further please do so in one of the threads in the main section or your posts will be removed.
Hmmmm - looks like I am being censored! :sad1: PM to Admin sent!
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^^^ Check your posts Sean. Nothing has been censored.
OK, thanks for clarifying. :happy2:
All I have asked is you (like everyone else) follows the site rules.
And I fully agree - but what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander - and by you allowing the earlier 'contentious' post to stand in this thread, but not allowing any right to reply - then it isn't exactly fair or reasonable. I am more than happy to 'play by the rules' - but I just think that there should be some consistency for all. :smiley:
This would be a far more suitable location for your "pearls of wisdom" - http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=7001.120 or http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=7040.0
OK, will do. :happy2:
Back to the Group Buy now please.
Sure, I'll zip it in this thread. :smiley:
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Posts moved from the Group Buy thread have been merged here.
Hold tight everyone :indifferent:
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Ok Sean you have the floor all to yourself now :pomppomp: :happy2:
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whats all the fuss about ?
through no fault of our own after relatively few miles and dependent on conditions the inlet tract on TFSI engines starts to foul up.
dont think its just a high mileage issue , its happening to us all. :confused:
heres jonnyc S3 8P (still the 2.0 TFSI) intake valve from a stripdown at xx,xxx miles :
jonnyc's S3 stripped
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fo304%2Fjonnnny28%2F03082009242.jpg&hash=0d8b5a023724f9d4c8de79c90e7a5143ae109ce6)
Erm, that is fairly normal for any engine. OK, it may be a little crusty, but I personally don't consider that to be too excessive. So why was the engine stripped down in the first place?
But a few other vital pieces of info need to be shared:
- How many miles has the car done
- Exactly what spec and brand of oil has been used
- What spec and type of fuel has been used
- What air filter is/has been used
- How is the engine driven (particularly during the warm up cycle)
- What kind of journeys does the car do
- What is the emissions reading from the exhaust gas
- Has any of the engine related warning lights come on
- Are there any fault codes stored
- Have any live on the fly data logging been carried out, particularly on the A/F and lambda readings
- Is there any history of overfilling the oil sump
- What is the oil consumption history
Because posting pics like that is really verging on the 'scaremongering'.
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Wanted to do WALK
Get that. It is very, very good.
as i have a suspect 'knock' on the nearside suspension I want looking at but keen to save
Front springs and top mounts need changing. A TSB is now out on this.
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There are some exceedingly gullable peeps here if they think this is a 'valid product' . Save your money any spend it on some thing that is atually NEEDED - as this absolutely is NOT needed!
Ok TT, bold statement - I'm all ears for the reasoning. :evilgrin:
So what else do you want me to say (especially as there seems to be about three separate threads on this subject :ashamed:)!!
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You have made the bold statement, now were is the smoking gun?
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FWIW Sean I will agree that you are right it is an oil based issue.
However so long as we all stick to the VAG servicing regime it will happen. Until they can find an oil with the correct properties to stop this happening it s going to become a feature of these engines made worse by Direct Injection.
The only way to avoid it is to remove the oil from this system - Enter the Catch Can.
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FWIW Sean I will agree that you are right it is an oil based issue.
But it isn't just the oil. There are a whole load of other variables too.
The other 'crucial' issue is the cleanliness of the intake air. If you have a standard OEM pleated paper air filter, vs a non-standard non-paper filter, then there will be a noticeable amount more solid particles which will stick to any oil deposits. Just go and slap some suntan oil on, then get a breeze on a dry beach, and notice how all the sand sticks to you - exactly the same with this carbon issue. Then go and lie in a furnace for a few hours, and try getting the crusty sand and oil mix off you!
And the fuels. In the UK and western Europe, we have to have 'Ultra Low Sulfur Petrol', whereas in North America, their fuel is far less refined and 'pure' compared to ours. You only have to go to some of their rural gas stations - to be wondering what the heck is being pumped into your tank - and this also explains why the yanks have a 40k change interval for their fuel filters, yet here in Blighty and w.Europe, they are a 'lifetime' fit.
So, taking into account the yanks crap fuel, and that they have this amazing propensity to change absolutley everything on their cars - irrespective of weather it's good or bad - and which includes ditching the paper air filter. Now add that to the 502.00 non-fully synthetic oil - then it is hardly surprising they get probs. It is no different to how the yanks managed to fcuk up so many PD diesels, yet it was not an endemic prob here in UK or Germany. The sludge issue on the 1.8 20vT is the same - the yanks refused to take VWoA advice with fully synthetic oils, and thought they new better by using cheap mineral oil, but changing it every 3,000 miles - and wondered by conventional mineral oils had turned to coal in their turbo bearings. Again, not an endemic prob over here, because we generally follow the manufacturers recommendations.
However so long as we all stick to the VAG servicing regime it will happen.
Sorry, but I absolutely do not agree. Why do you think that VW AG and VW UK now insist that ONLY LL3 oils are used, even if the car is on T&D.
OK, I'm sure you all know my opinions on the LongLife 'regime' - and that it is no good for petrol engines, particularly petrols with a turbo - but the LL3 oil is superb.
The real issue is from using lesser spec oils, such as 502.00 oils - because these were never developed for FSI direct injection (and nor for TDI direct injection either). Whereas, the 504.00/507.00 LongLife 3 oil specification has a specific 'FSI' test sequence, and no other VW, or generic oil standard does.
But if you were to ask me 'is there a better oil than the LL3', or 'could the LL3 oil be further improved' - then my answer would be very likely. But as of this moment, the LL3 oil, from a quality European oil company, which only uses either Group 4 or Group 5 basestocks is the pinacle of what you can get. Don't forget, Volkswagen Germany work very closely with Castrol and Fuchs - two exceedingly highly regarded oil companies - both at the cutting edge of tribology, and there is only one other oil company who is in such high esteem, and that is Motul. So between the three of them, do you not think that they would have addressed the 'oil' issue if it were such a problem?
Until they can find an oil with the correct properties to stop this happening it s going to become a feature of these engines made worse by Direct Injection.
Sorry, don't agree again. Direct injection engines have been out for years. Just Google Mitsubishi GDI.
The only way to avoid it is to remove the oil from this system - Enter the Catch Can.
Nope, peeps have simply found a product, and are just looking for some reason to justify it.
But ETTO.
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I'm now interested to know people's views on whether having a Catchcan presents any disadvantages/problems/negative effects on the 2.0T FSI engine.
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I'm now interested to know people's views on whether having a Catchcan presents any disadvantages/problems/negative effects on the 2.0T FSI engine.
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What are the views of all the tuners that you vist RR? i.e VWR
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I'm now interested to know people's views on whether having a Catchcan presents any disadvantages/problems/negative effects on the 2.0T FSI engine.
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Hmmmmm . . . . this will get me thinking . . . .
So appart from the £100 cost, I can see a couple of potential issues.
The first is the escaping oil vapour into the engine bay, and therefore potentially over the screen and into the heater/ventilation for the car interior - BUT, this seems to have been addressed if you choose the correct kit - so if you choose correctly, not an issue.
Another issue could lead to spurious signals to the ecu, which might actually affect the running of the engine. Though I don't know this for certain, as I havn't studied crankcase ventilation pressures, weather they are monitored by the ecu. But manifold vacuum is monitored, so that may still be a potential for errors.
The only other issue, which will be a valid one, is increased oil consumption. One of the main features of the oem PCV - is that it 'collects' the oil vapour, condenses it, and sends it back to the sump - but with a catch can, you just end up binning ALL the oil which goes through the PCV.
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I'm now interested to know people's views on whether having a Catchcan presents any disadvantages/problems/negative effects on the 2.0T FSI engine.
Please....................
What are the views of all the tuners that you vist RR? i.e VWR
....I haven't asked any of them yet. It's a good idea :happy2:
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I'm now interested to know people's views on whether having a Catchcan presents any disadvantages/problems/negative effects on the 2.0T FSI engine.
Please....................
Hmmmmm . . . . this will get me thinking . . . .
So appart from the £100 cost, I can see a couple of potential issues.
The first is the escaping oil vapour into the engine bay, and therefore potentially over the screen and into the heater/ventilation for the car interior - BUT, this seems to have been addressed if you choose the correct kit - so if you choose correctly, not an issue.
Another issue could lead to spurious signals to the ecu, which might actually affect the running of the engine. Though I don't know this for certain, as I havn't studied crankcase ventilation pressures, weather they are monitored by the ecu. But manifold vacuum is monitored, so that may still be a potential for errors.
The only other issue, which will be a valid one, is increased oil consumption. One of the main features of the oem PCV - is that it 'collects' the oil vapour, condenses it, and sends it back to the sump - but with a catch can, you just end up binning ALL the oil which goes through the PCV.
Incorrect. You are only collecting the oil that would otherwise be blown back into the inlet manifold. The rest of the oil still goes to the sump from the other crankcase vent.
Deako, you are wrong, it does route back to sump, or steveP's car would be belching out blue smoke looking at the ammount that was caught in his coke bottle picture, and also we would have far worse oil consumption and Blue smoke issue and emmision problems if what your saying is correct. Sorry mate, i dont agree on this point.
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We will just have to agree to disagree on this. :drinking:
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I am really struggling to see anything you have posted as conclusive proof that catch can's don't work T_T.
So I would appreciate YOU being careful with your bold statements, for instance you are yourself scaremongering with comments such as the catch can possibly causing issues with the ECU :chicken:
You also haven't addressed, what I feel are very valid comments, from info posted on the other thread quoting the VAG technical notes (which are taken from the patient application for the TFSI engine).
I am 90% sure you have been asked to "comment" on these catch can threads by a person on this site who shall remain nameless. I really hope the 10% doubt I have is the truth otherwise I will have to consider taking some action towards them.
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I think you'll find Deako is correct Steve(Phil), the return pipe is still used. The other thing to remember is the fix isn't only for the inlet valve cokeing issue (correctly or not), the stock PCV has also shown to be a weak link when running higher boost levels :smiley:
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I am 90% sure you have been asked to "comment" on these catch can threads by a person on this site who shall remain nameless. I really hope the 10% doubt I have is the truth otherwise I will have to consider taking some action towards them.
So am i wrong in asking someone for his advise on whether its worth spending my hard earned on now and face being booted from here!!.Ask someone that knows more then i do, and now face "action" :confused:
FFS steve, this is a forum, for a public discussion and at no point did i ask for shaun to post his thoughts on your website.
Get a life if thats your threat. :mad:
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I think you'll find Deako is correct Steve(Phil), the return pipe is still used. The other thing to remember is the fix isn't only for the inlet valve cokeing issue (correctly or not), the stock PCV has also shown to be a weak link when running higher boost levels :smiley:
agree ok Gaz, but like ive read from all these topics, is that its worth only considering getting a can if your highly modified, and not loose sleep if i dont being im near standard....ish. :happy2:
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I am 90% sure you have been asked to "comment" on these catch can threads by a person on this site who shall remain nameless. I really hope the 10% doubt I have is the truth otherwise I will have to consider taking some action towards them.
....Steve, doesn't that imply that you think there is (90% sure) a conspiracy? To gain what? - I can't see a good reason.
Whereas, aren't we merely discussing the pro's and con's of the Catchcan system? - Surely important to assess regardless of whether the device costs £100 or £1,000. Modern engines are relatively sophisticated (at least they are to me!) and surely any mod should be politely challenged.
Personally, I'm learning a lot from all this discussion and whether T_T is correct or not, his opinions are always worth reading regardless of our individual decisions as a result. Everyone knows that he and I don't always agree!
Oh, and although I have asked whether there are any disadvantages to the Catchcan, I haven't asked T_T to "comment" either. I did send him a PM to welcome him after a number of posts he had made. I often do that after a long period of absence because I know he suffers from poor health at times and it also helps to keep the peace between us!!
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wow this is getting hot :surprised:
any definate reasons why not to do this?
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Thats fine, dont loose sleep. But when your car is out of warranty and the valves are so gummed up that the intake tract of clean air from the inlet manifold no longer creates the turbulence necessary for peak performance, it will be an expensive job to fix it.
Thats when ill give a can of Wurths ago. But alls well on the car front at the moment.
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:I am 90% sure you have been asked to "comment" on these catch can threads by a person on this site who shall remain nameless. I really hope the 10% doubt I have is the truth otherwise I will have to consider taking some action towards them.
So am i wrong in asking someone for his advise on whether its worth spending my hard earned on now and face being booted from here!!.Ask someone that knows more then i do, and now face "action" :confused:
FFS steve, this is a forum, for a public discussion and at no point did i ask for shaun to post his thoughts on your website.
Get a life if thats your threat. :mad:
Steve, you of all people know the issues that can be caused on forums by people "inviting" sh*t stirring type posting/conversations.
I am not saying that was your intentions but the fact is T_T appears after being a way for a while to jump on a very popular group buy without any warning.
The reason for my comment about taking "action" is related protecting the interests of the site, IF he had been pointed here in a malicious way then that is when I would take action.
I am not going to stand by and let this place loose the good reputation it has rightfully gained through a lot of hard work from the team here and the valuable contributions of it's members.
IF you feel hard done by because of my post then that for you to deal with.
Yes this is a forum, but it like every other forum it has moderators and admin's would ultimately choose it's path and set the rules all of it's members agree to but joining and using it.
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jeeze I go away for a few hrs and its WW3 :stupid:
T_T : your posts are always full of info and the forum would do well to have you more on here than t'other forum.
However we havent heard from you for a while then you jump in and call us all fools , hardly a diplomatic informed way to educate us is it? sometimes its as much about how you present things as the facts themselves.
for everyone else : like everything else on any forum , review the data on this and other forums and make your own decision.
question everything (in a calm and non emotional tone) and dont assume anyone knows it all , I know I dont ! :happy2:
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I am 90% sure you have been asked to "comment" on these catch can threads by a person on this site who shall remain nameless. I really hope the 10% doubt I have is the truth otherwise I will have to consider taking some action towards them.
....Steve, doesn't that imply that you think there is (90% sure) a conspiracy? To gain what? - I can't see a good reason.
Whereas, aren't we merely discussing the pro's and con's of the Catchcan system? - Surely important to assess regardless of whether the device costs £100 or £1,000. Modern engines are relatively sophisticated (at least they are to me!) and surely any mod should be politely challenged.
Personally, I'm learning a lot from all this discussion and whether T_T is correct or not, his opinions are always worth reading regardless of our individual decisions as a result. Everyone knows that he and I don't always agree!
Oh, and although I have asked whether there are any disadvantages to the Catchcan, I haven't asked T_T to "comment" either. I did send him a PM to welcome him after a number of posts he had made. I often do that after a long period of absence because I know he suffers from poor health at times and it also helps to keep the peace between us!!
Robin, some of my post above will hopefully answer some of your points.
I have no issue with people PM'ing/emailing/phoning/sending a carrier pigeon to anyone to help them with a question or topic on here, but for the right reasons.
I also understand the situation with T_T and appreciate your efforts to help keep the peace :smiley:
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:I am 90% sure you have been asked to "comment" on these catch can threads by a person on this site who shall remain nameless. I really hope the 10% doubt I have is the truth otherwise I will have to consider taking some action towards them.
So am i wrong in asking someone for his advise on whether its worth spending my hard earned on now and face being booted from here!!.Ask someone that knows more then i do, and now face "action" :confused:
FFS steve, this is a forum, for a public discussion and at no point did i ask for shaun to post his thoughts on your website.
Get a life if thats your threat. :mad:
Steve, you of all people know the issues that can be caused on forums by people "inviting" sh*t stirring type posting/conversations.
I am not saying that was your intentions but the fact is T_T appears after being a way for a while to jump on a very popular group buy without any warning.
The reason for my comment about taking "action" is related protecting the interests of the site, IF he had been pointed here in a malicious way then that is when I would take action.
I am not going to stand by and let this place loose the good reputation it has rightfully gained through a lot of hard work from the team here and the valuable contributions of it's members.
IF you feel hard done by because of my post then that for you to deal with.
Yes this is a forum, but it like every other forum it has moderators and admin's would ultimately choose it's path and set the rules all of it's members agree to but joining and using it.
Indeed steve, but at no time did i ask Shaun to post his thoughts on her and to cause this discussion.
I was seriously wanted to find out whether to splash out on this mod, and i have last night spoken to 3 forum members on their oppinion, if they want to come foward and back me up, then all the better.
He knows far more on this and i just wanted to try and understand why we would need to have this mod, or potentially have huge issues. Your Photo of a coke bottle was kinda worrying, so i asked him on his thougths on whether its worth purchasing.
At no stage did i ask for him to venture in here and cause you upset in your group purchase, just that i went to someone with more knowledge that could help me decide.
I have no issue about you threatening me with removal of this site, just wanted to make it CRYSTAL clear, so you and the mods dont think there is a conspiricy theory here.
Waiting for your reply via Pm reference your threat to my membership.
Thankyou.
You will always get disagreements on a public forum and its impossible to totally remove this kinda thing happening.
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Robin, some of my post above will hopefully answer some of your points.
I have no issue with people PM'ing/emailing/phoning/sending a carrier pigeon to anyone to help them with a question or topic on here, but for the right reasons.
I also understand the situation with T_T and appreciate your efforts to help keep the peace :smiley:
....Your post, subsequent to mine, absolutely answers my points/questions - :happy2: 8) :happy2:
Furthermore, I can appreciate how tricky it can sometimes be for you handling loose cannons such at T_T, Phil Mc, myself, and also one or two others who tend to be outspoken etc.
Actually, I think it's better that people are open with their views rather than bottle them up in resentment, even if the forum has hot spots occasionally.
You're doing a good job, mate. TopCat, on the other hand........... :evilgrin: :wink:
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^^^ im a loose Cannon WTF!!!
Robin, how dare you :notworthy:
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This is the best GTI site on the planet! Actually it's becoming more of a 2.0T FSI site.
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@ Robin - We accept there will be a few hot spot, but people starting forest fires is a different matter. Thanks for your comments. :drinking:
@ Phil - I am not sure what you mean about "Waiting for your reply via Pm reference your threat to my membership." I have no need to PM anyone if we choose to do anything with anyone's account status (just ask joesgti :laugh:). I have made my point and as you have stated this wasn't malicious then there is no "action" to be taken.
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I dont have a catch can. I have the PCV completely blocked. It will be staying that way. FTMFW. :happy2:
How does that work mate? Any pics?
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I dont have a catch can. I have the PCV completely blocked. It will be staying that way. FTMFW. :happy2:
How does that work mate? Any pics?
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=5639.0 :happy2:
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So basically, it doesnt have the 2 outlets for the catch can. It just gets blown back into the rocker and then into the sump.
No!
The pcv revamp vents any vapours of whatever nature back into the inlet track of the engine. If you look carefully at the plate you will see that there is a connecting channel between the outlet and inlet ports. With the catch can the plate is devoid of this channel and has matching holes to the inlet and outlet ports.
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Stage 2:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bshspeedshop.com%2Fstore%2Fimages%2FP%2FRunItCCRS.jpg&hash=41bf3073f9301571de6a3c849a67c05528ed913e)
Can any current owners of the catch can tell me if the 'can' is a smooth surface or is it textured/rough surface
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its textured, but not really rough :smiley:
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Actually I've just realised that the BSH photo only shows you the side of the plate that's exposed when fitted. The channel I refer to is on the "hidden side" when the plate is fitted. I would post a pic but I'm too lazy to go find and take a pic of the stage 1 plate. :ashamed:
As a by the way on this topic, unlike the US, EU engines are able to run in the lean burn "stratified" mode and this partially alleviates the fuel dilution of the oil problem that can increase the risk of pre ignition. As a consequence, the amount of oil that the PCV system can deposits on the valves is decreased (vs a car from the US that only can use homogenous mode).
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its textured, but not really rough :smiley:
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its textured, but not really rough :smiley:
:happy2:
....So now you know it's alright to lick it. :evilgrin:
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love this place.
Wish I knew enough about it to add something to the debate.
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@ Phil - I am not sure what you mean about "Waiting for your reply via Pm reference your threat to my membership." I have no need to PM anyone if we choose to do anything with anyone's account status (just ask joesgti :laugh:). I have made my point and as you have stated this wasn't malicious then there is no "action" to be taken.
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Just dont post any porn!! :wink:
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Just dont post any porn!! :wink:
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....Especially from www.4cheapporn.com !!
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:P :signLOL:
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Just dont post any porn!! :wink:
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....Especially from www.4cheapporn.com !!
Sorry Robin but that link doesn't work. :sad1: