MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: WhiteHartMart on September 01, 2009, 09:21:16 am
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Well I've had my Ed30 for almost couple of weeks now and love it too bits - as always though now I want more. I think the problem is the car is too damn composed so it feels slower than it actually is!
So what do I do first :-
1. Remap
2. Exhaust - only want cat back at this stage - mainly for appearance - std pipes look a little weedy!
3. Springs
4. ICE - already upgraded to RNS510 so happy for now I guess!
Now there is one big hurdle and that is Warranty!! - I've seen all of you modding but no one seems worried about if the car has a problem. I remapped my previous Focus ST but that was with a company who had a great relationship with some Ford dealers so there was always a great chance of getting the repairs done under warranty.
I'm just really cautious on this one though - sods law I'd mod/remap and then the damn DSG box would go tits up - leaving me with a massive bill!!
How do you all deal with this .... or do you all have mod friendly dealers nearby (unlike me!!) :smiley:
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Getting a remap and only buying cat-back is a waste of money. If you remap you'll need a turbo-back (aka Hi-flow+Downpipe) - They compliment each other.
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I think if you choose to go down the modifying route you will have to accept that some or all parts of your warranty can be affected.
However some dealerships are more mod friendly than others.
For example the one nearest to me offers remaps and milltek exhausts via it's sister company so they are a bit more flexible about warranty claims.
VW know this is a pretty big market these days so like some of the other European countries we will be seeing some tuning packages available via the dealers over the next few months. These will be covered by the VW warranty (as long as normal servicing etc is maintained) but these will be a lot more expensive than equivalent aftermarket tuner parts, partly due to the warranty and the increased cost of main dealer labor to fit the parts.
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Getting a remap and only buying cat-back is a waste of money. If you remap you'll need a turbo-back (aka Hi-flow+Downpipe) - They compliment each other.
I don't think that is strictly true Robin.
A stage 1 map and a cat back is a good starting place and gives you the option to get used to the car and then add the downpipe and stage 2 software at a later date. :happy2:
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Getting a remap and only buying cat-back is a waste of money. If you remap you'll need a turbo-back (aka Hi-flow+Downpipe) - They compliment each other.
I don't think that is strictly true Robin.
A stage 1 map and a cat back is a good starting place and gives you the option to get used to the car and then add the downpipe and stage 2 software at a later date. :happy2:
....Sure, but my thinking is that swopping exhaust parts later is what adds to the cost so why not do it earlier.
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... 'cause I'm not sure I can afford the full TBE in one hit at the moment :wink:
Ta for the info though guys - Steve - is that definite about dealer offered mods?? I guess it'll be something like Ford did with the Mountune ST upgrade??
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Apparently VAG dealerships in Greece have been offering Revo tuning packages for many, many moons.
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... 'cause I'm not sure I can afford the full TBE in one hit at the moment :wink:
Ta for the info though guys - Steve - is that definite about dealer offered mods?? I guess it'll be something like Ford did with the Mountune ST upgrade??
Yep it's going to be along the same lines as the ST stuff.
Not sure on exact schedule but it's going to be going into a few dealers very soon :happy2:
Where abouts are you located?
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In the foreign land called Cornwall :laugh:
I won't get my hopes up on being close to one of the first dealers to offer it :grin:
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Getting a remap and only buying cat-back is a waste of money. If you remap you'll need a turbo-back (aka Hi-flow+Downpipe) - They compliment each other.
I don't think that is strictly true Robin.
A stage 1 map and a cat back is a good starting place and gives you the option to get used to the car and then add the downpipe and stage 2 software at a later date. :happy2:
2nd that, you dont have to get the full system. If its just looks, the Cat-back is fine, you can always add later on if you remap and thats not enough for your thirst :smiley:
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Logically you would need to think how far you want to initially modify the car. Then....
Uprate the suspension
Uprate the brakes
Uprate the exhaust
Uprate the intake
Remap.
As I say....LOGICALLY this is the right way to do it, but in reality most people do the remap first and then follow suit with other mods. :smiley:
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some seat dealers do revo remaps so i would have thought some vw ones would or cover it by warranty
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... 'cause I'm not sure I can afford the full TBE in one hit at the moment :wink:
Ta for the info though guys - Steve - is that definite about dealer offered mods?? I guess it'll be something like Ford did with the Mountune ST upgrade??
Yep it's going to be along the same lines as the ST stuff.
Not sure on exact schedule but it's going to be going into a few dealers very soon :happy2:
Where abouts are you located?
This will be for the mk6 platform though not the mk5 i would imagine?
Seat europe offered a remap from a Co i cant remember but not the uk due to our laws govering testing, safety blah blah.
The car dealership i bought my ed from used a 3rd party tuner to do maps if you required it was dearer than going direct to the tuner yourself. But as i found out as they wouldn't touch my ed30 come servcing time as i didnt go thru them.
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Getting a remap and only buying cat-back is a waste of money. If you remap you'll need a turbo-back (aka Hi-flow+Downpipe) - They compliment each other.
I don't think that is strictly true Robin.
A stage 1 map and a cat back is a good starting place and gives you the option to get used to the car and then add the downpipe and stage 2 software at a later date. :happy2:
^^^^^^^ i completley agree with steve here stage 1 remap and cat back go hand in hand, the remap gives it the go , the cat back supplies the right noise and the looks , imo this is enough for most , i would nt want any more with out the diff :happy2:
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if you dont have dsg the first mod i would do is the torque arm insert , not sure if you feel results as much with dsg :smiley:
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Getting a remap and only buying cat-back is a waste of money. If you remap you'll need a turbo-back (aka Hi-flow+Downpipe) - They compliment each other.
I don't think that is strictly true Robin.
A stage 1 map and a cat back is a good starting place and gives you the option to get used to the car and then add the downpipe and stage 2 software at a later date. :happy2:
^^^^^^^ i completley agree with steve here stage 1 remap and cat back go hand in hand, the remap gives it the go , the cat back supplies the right noise and the looks , imo this is enough for most , i would nt want any more with out the diff :happy2:
....I'm not disagreeing with Steve - My point is simply that if in the longer term you think you would want to go further in your tuning, then it makes more economical sense to go straight for the TBE now rather than pay the extra for swopping parts later.
My understanding is that a TBE will partner better with a Stage1 remap anyway but that it's not critical nor a problem to do otherwise.
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most stage 1 (generic) remap s are designed to work with a standard car , stage 2 for intakes , exhausts etc :wink:
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most stage 1 (generic) remap s are designed to work with a standard car , stage 2 for intakes , exhausts etc :wink:
....Agreed, but they work better with a more free flowing exhaust. Milltek systems are designed to work best with the established tuner's remaps.
Again, my point is longer term planning and economics (not usually something which I'm in the least bit bothered about!).
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most stage 1 (generic) remap s are designed to work with a standard car , stage 2 for intakes , exhausts etc :wink:
....Agreed, but they work better with a more free flowing exhaust. Milltek systems are designed to work best with the established tuner's remaps.
Again, my point is longer term planning and economics (not usually something which I'm in the least bit bothered about!).
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well i know custom code stage 1 is primarily for a standard car , imo free flow systems dont make all that much in power terms just make the engine breath easier , i have cat back milltek and have asked several tuners that if i fit the downpipe/cat will i feel much difference and most say NO
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well i know custom code stage 1 is primarily for a standard car , imo free flow systems dont make all that much in power terms just make the engine breath easier , i have cat back milltek and have asked several tuners that if i fit the downpipe/cat will i feel much difference and most say NO
....Exactly. I did say "more free flowing" which means the same as breathe easier :happy2:. I never said anything about power increases.
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whilst on a similar subject another mod which imo opinion does nothing is the carbonio , it looks good but that is it , any body have an opinion on this ??? :smiley:
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whilst on a similar subject another mod which imo opinion does nothing is the carbonio , it looks good but that is it , any body have an opinion on this ??? :smiley:
^^^^ :laugh:
I laugh because this is the subject of many threads and debates, especially in the U S of A.
The tuners tend to say it's a good thing and users don't rate them if they are looking for power increases. There is also the good old factor of the Carbonio being expensive due to carbonfibre and cheapskates complaining that they ain't getting what they want for that kind of money.
It's a bit like the exhaust question earlier. I think the Carbonio increases efficiency and throttle response and the rest is due to the filter used and the remap.
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if i had paid out for a new one i would have been pissed off :scared:
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if i had paid out for a new one i would have been pissed off :scared:
....Doubtless because it doesn't represent good value for money for you.
I expected more from it than it seems to deliver but I like the eye-candy and it has served me very well while under warranty.
Warranty concerns/precautions is another reason people buy them - It doesn't interfere with the engine cover and there's no big python under the bonnet to scare the VW dealers into thinking you've done something pretty major.
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Personally I feel too many people jump into the modding waters without even thinking of how far they want to go or what their ultimate aim is (me included!). The result is a swapping of parts and bits that in the long term costs much more than if you had sat back and thought it through in the first instance.
The ultimate goal of the car maybe just a remap, a bling show car or an out and out trackday weapon.
You seriously need to think about a direction and then look at the options in those directions before committing any of your hard earned cash on them. :happy2:
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I couldn't agree more.
It is easier said than done though. You might decide you only want to go so far and plan accordingly but then you read on this forum all about a new mod and.....................
You're on the slippery slope!