MK5 Golf GTI

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Title: Mk 7 R
Post by: Tortaruga on November 06, 2013, 11:20:29 pm
It can be configured now on the vw website. There is the option to delete aircon (at no extra cost lol).

Don't really understand this one - it's hardly meant for people who want to save kerb weight for track use is it?
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: edd666999 on November 06, 2013, 11:31:34 pm
vw germany? Cant find where to configure on vw uk.
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Tortaruga on November 06, 2013, 11:36:00 pm
Sorry it's on VW Ireland's website.
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Scottymon on November 07, 2013, 12:34:24 am
http://www.volkswagen.ie/en/models/golf_7/trimlines.s9_trimlevel_detail.suffix.html/golf---3-doors~2Fgolf-r.html


http://app.volkswagen.ie/ihdcc/en/configurator.html#30670/30021/2154

Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: MC71 on November 07, 2013, 06:54:34 am
£55,290  :stupid:

I didn't add everything either....

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1049.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fs399%2Fmcaborn%2Fded89cdcbd794a8d8f66e572e3d37116_zpsc3ba6106.jpg&hash=cfdd83f4a10084c0b3db347f0bc5a1b8331f31a9)
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: john a on November 07, 2013, 06:58:49 am
That's Ireland for you. You can knock a massive chunk off that price because we won't have to pay their horrendous VRT. I bought my mum a Mazda 3 here for £9k and paid another £1800 to import it to Ireland - it was still 2 grand cheaper than buying the equivalent car over there.
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Biano44 on November 07, 2013, 08:32:27 am
Is it me or is the R just not special enough.......?

It looks like a GTi with no spotlights.
Wheres the fancy Recaro interior or special bodykit.
The more time I spend with the MK7 GTi, the more I like it but I'm gonna have to wait for a couple of years and find a good second hand one.
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: swgti on November 07, 2013, 08:39:50 am
I must admit I was massively underwhelmed by it to start with, but then again I was with the Mk6 Gti and have grown to love it so who knows.
I still think in looks it's a massive step backwards from the Mk6 R, which IMO is one of, if not the best looking golfs VW have ever made.
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Deako on November 07, 2013, 08:43:15 am
19" Pretoria, Discover Pro and Adaptive chassis would be the only options on a 3dr DSG car. Would love to see what the price of that in the UK would be. I'm betting far more than my M135i. I originally had my heart set on waiting for the Mk7 R, then was disappointed and looked at the GTI. Before realising how much more you get with a BMW.
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: GrayMK5GTI on November 07, 2013, 11:54:10 am
From speaking with Hurdy at the weekend, the next gen Haldex shoud allow more power the rears  :evilgrin:

This should be the perfect "R" when it comes out - No Cambelt or cam follower changes to worry about, and better fuel consumption  :party:
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: tony_danza on November 07, 2013, 12:08:51 pm
Feedback of the new S3 doesn't seem to agree, unless the R gets a different version.
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Wooosh on November 07, 2013, 01:36:48 pm
The Golf MK6 R looks so much better. The MK7 R doesn't even look that different from a MK7 GTI? :stupid:
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: xjay1337 on November 07, 2013, 01:41:19 pm
19" Pretoria, Discover Pro and Adaptive chassis would be the only options on a 3dr DSG car. Would love to see what the price of that in the UK would be. I'm betting far more than my M135i. I originally had my heart set on waiting for the Mk7 R, then was disappointed and looked at the GTI. Before realising how much more you get with a BMW.

Indicators come as standard or were they still extra cost?
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: tony_danza on November 07, 2013, 01:57:42 pm
Optional extra still. I just wave people out of the way as I overtake.
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: wigit on November 07, 2013, 02:16:48 pm
R prices in the UK are as follows, car is not on the configurator in the UK but prices, options and specs in latest price list 

3D Manual £29,250
3D DSG £31,315

Standard spec is pretty generous like the Mk7 GTI, leather is an option

I should be ordering one tomorrow  :happy2:

Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Makaveli on November 07, 2013, 02:20:22 pm
19" Pretoria, Discover Pro and Adaptive chassis would be the only options on a 3dr DSG car. Would love to see what the price of that in the UK would be. I'm betting far more than my M135i. I originally had my heart set on waiting for the Mk7 R, then was disappointed and looked at the GTI. Before realising how much more you get with a BMW.

Indicators come as standard or were they still extra cost?
:signLOL:
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: garrardrj on November 07, 2013, 04:25:05 pm
Is it me or don't options on cars cost alot more than they should ? Like the Sat Nav on Mk5's and leather and the upgrade on wheel size etc

Now i know i am tight but ...... :innocent:
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Deako on November 07, 2013, 06:04:32 pm
19" Pretoria, Discover Pro and Adaptive chassis would be the only options on a 3dr DSG car. Would love to see what the price of that in the UK would be. I'm betting far more than my M135i. I originally had my heart set on waiting for the Mk7 R, then was disappointed and looked at the GTI. Before realising how much more you get with a BMW.

Indicators come as standard or were they still extra cost?

No indicators have a sideways option on them anyway. Same as Mike above, you are too busy pushing people out the way to indicate. ;)
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: MAT ED30 on November 07, 2013, 06:45:07 pm
^^^  :signLOL: unless the car infront thinks oh look another toss pot bmw let's see how good his brakes are  :driver:  that will teach you for thinking you can try push people out of the way  :P
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: tony_danza on November 07, 2013, 08:03:40 pm
So long as it isn't an ED30 on 312s, they couldn't brake test a cross channel ferry.

I jest, I jest....  :signLOL:
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Deako on November 07, 2013, 08:29:55 pm
^^^  :signLOL: unless the car infront thinks oh look another toss pot bmw let's see how good his brakes are  :driver:  that will teach you for thinking you can try push people out of the way  :P

Bwahaha!!! :signLOL:
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: MAT ED30 on November 07, 2013, 09:21:12 pm
So long as it isn't an ED30 on 312s, they couldn't brake test a cross channel ferry.

I jest, I jest....  :signLOL:

It's true though  :signLOL:
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Deako on November 08, 2013, 06:52:53 pm
Well, order books opened today. Who has ordered one then? What options specced?

I'd love one tbh, to join the M135i on my driveway, well in my garage. Couldn't give up my fantastic BMW for one though sadly. :( Love it too much.
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Saintsteve on November 08, 2013, 08:36:43 pm
Well, order books opened today. Who has ordered one then? What options specced?

I'd love one tbh, to join the M135i on my driveway, well in my garage. Couldn't give up my fantastic BMW for one though sadly. :( Love it too much.

Wigit has ordered one..
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Hurdy on November 08, 2013, 10:36:25 pm
Well, order books opened today. Who has ordered one then? What options specced?

I'd love one tbh, to join the M135i on my driveway, well in my garage. Couldn't give up my fantastic BMW for one though sadly. :( Love it too much.

Wigit has ordered one..

In Blue. Spoke to him via Facebook. I'd Love to see one close up to have a proper poke around the engine bay.
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: wigit on November 08, 2013, 10:56:38 pm
Ordered one to replace the 35 which may or may not stay in the family depending on the wife, i went to see it and Frankfurt and fate of the 35 was sealed

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fwigit71%2FGolf_R%2FRR_zps240de25f.jpg&hash=a80dbdb4388c1ade6b25d8b5b0bab7f2d5cb387d)

Spec wise I've gone 3 door DSG, in Lapiz Blue, 19" Pretorias , ACC and winter pack, standard spec like the Mk7 GTI is daily strong, the standard trim is alcantara  and cloth, who knows when it will term up but currently working on April 2014

Not everyones cup of tea but hey ho



Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: wigit on November 08, 2013, 11:02:33 pm
I'd Love to see one close up to have a proper poke around the engine bay.

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fwigit71%2FFrankfurt_R%2FIMG_4774_zpsaac25e47.jpg&hash=e06fd3b09b6d1e2256a06120bc6cfe82753cf731)

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fwigit71%2FFrankfurt_R%2FIMG_4773_zps7d6e2086.jpg&hash=a8f2aece417fd83401ee54f13ce7f1716d7d320a)

Just a few piccies they got a bits suspicious if you poked around to much

in reality John I blame you as the consitency of your DSG R at Inters blew me away as to needing 4wd and DSG lol
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Tortaruga on November 09, 2013, 12:27:36 am
currently working on April 20142015

...is more likely, especially if there are more hailstones.

Delightful choice of vehicle in any event.  :smiley:
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: wigit on November 09, 2013, 12:58:49 am
currently working on April 20142015

...is more likely, especially if there are more hailstones.

Delightful choice of vehicle in any event.  :smiley:

Dealer did say end of March and I did say which year lol
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Deako on November 09, 2013, 09:24:55 am
That's insane. VW really need to sort their act out. M135i's take 5 weeks. I expect there to be 6-12 month waits on the Golf R for a considerable time. Just like the stupid delays on the Mk6 R and Rocco R had.
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: wigit on November 09, 2013, 09:56:11 am
That's insane. VW really need to sort their act out. M135i's take 5 weeks. I expect there to be 6-12 month waits on the Golf R for a considerable time. Just like the stupid delays on the Mk6 R and Rocco R had.

There estimated at moment is same as all factory orders I've made in the past and not flagging with the same issue as GTIs, we will see

True VW uk farce with most dealers getting caught out with order book opening date sooner than all envisaged, all be it ties up with what the Germans told me
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: RobH on November 09, 2013, 01:52:52 pm
Would probably gone for the New R over the S3 but couldn't be bothered waiting till next year. Ordered in late September and got an early build slot due to a cancelation should be picking up the new chariot within the next few weeks.

4wd DSG and a bit of wait saving over the previous R  :pomppomp: :driver:
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: candy turbo on November 09, 2013, 06:44:10 pm
Ordered one to replace the 35 which may or may not stay in the family depending on the wife, i went to see it and Frankfurt and fate of the 35 was sealed

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fwigit71%2FGolf_R%2FRR_zps240de25f.jpg&hash=a80dbdb4388c1ade6b25d8b5b0bab7f2d5cb387d)

Spec wise I've gone 3 door DSG, in Leipsiz Blue, 19" Pretorias , ACC and winter pack, standard spec like the Mk7 GTI is daily strong, the standard trim is alcantara  and cloth, who knows when it will term up but currently working on April 2014

Not everyones cup of tea but hey ho

I think that looks the dogs nuts , if money allowed id have one ordered now ! 1 series bmw !!! No thanks !


Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Hurdy on November 09, 2013, 08:25:50 pm
I'd Love to see one close up to have a proper poke around the engine bay.

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fwigit71%2FFrankfurt_R%2FIMG_4774_zpsaac25e47.jpg&hash=e06fd3b09b6d1e2256a06120bc6cfe82753cf731)

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fwigit71%2FFrankfurt_R%2FIMG_4773_zps7d6e2086.jpg&hash=a8f2aece417fd83401ee54f13ce7f1716d7d320a)

Just a few piccies they got a bits suspicious if you poked around to much

in reality John I blame you as the consitency of your DSG R at Inters blew me away as to needing 4wd and DSG lol

It is amazing how many people blame me for their car purchases. :innocent:

I can't blame you though as it is looking like it will be a strong car even in standard tune. :happy2:
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: TurboTrev on November 09, 2013, 08:29:16 pm
Very nice spec Wigit, very similar to what I would choose, it's going to look the dogs. :happy2:  

Spoke to my dealer yesterday, lapis blue, 3dr dsg with 19s and they are seeing if they can meet my "demands" price wise.  Hopefully, I'll be joining the ordered club very soon. :evilgrin:  Anybody want to buy a 2012 3dr white 6R manual with less than 4,000 miles?
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: xjay1337 on November 10, 2013, 01:31:26 am
I would be slightly concerned regarding the reliability of the TSIs, as we have all read/heard the horror stories.
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: RobH on November 10, 2013, 09:21:09 am
I would be slightly concerned regarding the reliability of the TSIs, as we have all read/heard the horror stories.

Even though it's a completely new engine from top to bottom? I wasn't aware there was that many problems with the 2.0tsi in the mk6 gti/scirocco?
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: rich83 on November 10, 2013, 09:36:14 am
I would be slightly concerned regarding the reliability of the TSIs, as we have all read/heard the horror stories.

Not to be confused by the 1.4tsi engine
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: RobH on November 10, 2013, 09:47:59 am
I would be slightly concerned regarding the reliability of the TSIs, as we have all read/heard the horror stories.

Not to be confused by the 1.4tsi engine

That's what I was thinking. That engine is indeed a joke and just because it has TSI at the end doesn't mean it's related in any way  :happy2:
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Tortaruga on November 10, 2013, 10:25:54 am
The mk6 tsi engines have an issue with the timing chain tensioner. The part has been revised a few times. If it fails vw are replacing the entire engine.
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Poverty on November 10, 2013, 12:13:49 pm
Detonating under heavy cornering was their biggest problem, but you can fix that with a accusump.

However this is a different engine designed to go in their performance range so will probably be fine
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: GrayMK5GTI on November 10, 2013, 12:33:32 pm
The mk6 tsi engines have an issue with the timing chain tensioner. The part has been revised a few times. If it fails vw are replacing the entire engine.

I think this was just a few isolated instances. Probably more cambelts snapped on TFSI's than chains on TSI's
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: GTI5 on November 10, 2013, 03:55:49 pm
There are a growing number of TSI based vehicles in the VAG group suffering significant engine damage as a result of chains jumping teeth on startup.

This has very recently happened to my GTI and it required a replacement engine for which VW paid for (No warranty on car). After filing a complaint with VWUK I agreed to pay £672 for the labour undertaken on the car because the part was not fit for purpose.

There is a TPI for the fault and the part causing the failure is the Tensioner. This has been revised several times since 2009 but it seems that the failure isn't isolated to 2009/2010 build cars. We shall have to see how the newer cars with the revised parts manage as the mileages increase.

Hopefully this flaw has been designed out of the new TSI engine but it appears VW doesn't have great form when it comes to chains (R32's 1.8 TSI/2.0 TSI).

It's based on the EA888 so we shall see...
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Hurdy on November 10, 2013, 04:23:49 pm
The mk6 tsi engines have an issue with the timing chain tensioner. The part has been revised a few times. If it fails vw are replacing the entire engine.

The MKVII has now gone back to a timing belt.  :happy2:
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Tortaruga on November 10, 2013, 04:31:32 pm
Interesting...is that just in the R engine though, or the entire model range?
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: GTI5 on November 10, 2013, 06:27:07 pm
The mk6 tsi engines have an issue with the timing chain tensioner. The part has been revised a few times. If it fails vw are replacing the entire engine.

The MKVII has now gone back to a timing belt.  :happy2:

Says it all really :signLOL:
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Snoopy on November 10, 2013, 08:02:13 pm
The mk6 tsi engines have an issue with the timing chain tensioner. The part has been revised a few times. If it fails vw are replacing the entire engine.

The MKVII has now gone back to a timing belt.  :happy2:

Says it all really :signLOL:
Are you sure? It looks like a chain to me on the S3 engine. It looks like a chain on the mk7 GTI engine and the GTI engine even uses the same chain tensioner as the mk6 GTI which is the problem part.
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: GTI5 on November 10, 2013, 09:43:30 pm
The mk6 tsi engines have an issue with the timing chain tensioner. The part has been revised a few times. If it fails vw are replacing the entire engine.

The MKVII has now gone back to a timing belt.  :happy2:

Says it all really :signLOL:
Are you sure? It looks like a chain to me on the S3 engine. It looks like a chain on the mk7 GTI engine and the GTI engine even uses the same chain tensioner as the mk6 GTI which is the problem part.

This press release shows a chain for the GTI:

http://www.vwvortex.com/news/volkswagen-news/volkswagen-golf-7-gti-press-materials/

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vwvortex.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F04%2Fvolkswagen-golf-7-gti-008.jpg&hash=b42fb4952b51fa336e796d7d3ee840d8419b9aa1)
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Hurdy on November 10, 2013, 09:55:48 pm
The mk6 tsi engines have an issue with the timing chain tensioner. The part has been revised a few times. If it fails vw are replacing the entire engine.

The MKVII has now gone back to a timing belt.  :happy2:

Says it all really :signLOL:
Are you sure? It looks like a chain to me on the S3 engine. It looks like a chain on the mk7 GTI engine and the GTI engine even uses the same chain tensioner as the mk6 GTI which is the problem part.

This press release shows a chain for the GTI:

http://www.vwvortex.com/news/volkswagen-news/volkswagen-golf-7-gti-press-materials/

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vwvortex.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F04%2Fvolkswagen-golf-7-gti-008.jpg&hash=b42fb4952b51fa336e796d7d3ee840d8419b9aa1)


You're right. I was mis-informed by the looks of the pic below of the new S3 engine.

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ft8%2Fhurdy_album%2Ffad3c002ac7e86a4699c81380966e624_zpsd87063c3.jpg&hash=daad4238a418b18fb484367b72f54e18e8c365c7)
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Hurdy on November 10, 2013, 10:02:46 pm
I think I'll be sticking with the MKVI Golf R looking at that then!

More potential with the MKVI engine over the "improved" MKVII!

I cannot imagine how badly that tensioner will restrict power having seen some of the catastrophic failures both on the Web and physically seeing the remnants of a failure.

Also, the integrated manifold looks like a complete no go area for upgrades unless an aftermarket tuner spends £XXXXXX's on developing a full head replacement with upgraded manifold included.

The MKVI R engine is well proven to be capable of big power, so will probably become even more desirable as time passes. :happy2:
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Deako on November 10, 2013, 10:28:05 pm
Some people just want a car that is quick standard John. For them, the Mk7 R doesn't need a map or hybrid turbo conversions and WMI. ;)
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Hurdy on November 10, 2013, 10:52:11 pm
Some people just want a car that is quick standard John. For them, the Mk7 R doesn't need a map or hybrid turbo conversions and WMI. ;)

This can't be true!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Janner_Sy on November 10, 2013, 11:30:14 pm
Some people just want a car that is quick standard John. For them, the Mk7 R doesn't need a map or hybrid turbo conversions and WMI. ;)

We know how it works.  You buy a car and find it numb and boring when stock.  YOu then add way to much power, and £1000's of other chassis mods to make it crazy fast and you then have exciting, but its nothing like the original car.  Ive been as guilty of this as everyone.

This is exactly why im happy with my car as stock.  Finally found a car which doesnt need oodles of power to make it fun  :jumpmove:.

Detonating under heavy cornering was their biggest problem, but you can fix that with a accusump.


The TSI also suffered from oil starvation during very hard cornering which melted turbos did it not?
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: GTI5 on November 11, 2013, 09:46:24 am
I think I'll be sticking with the MKVI Golf R looking at that then!

More potential with the MKVI engine over the "improved" MKVII!

I cannot imagine how badly that tensioner will restrict power having seen some of the catastrophic failures both on the Web and physically seeing the remnants of a failure.

Also, the integrated manifold looks like a complete no go area for upgrades unless an aftermarket tuner spends £XXXXXX's on developing a full head replacement with upgraded manifold included.

The MKVI R engine is well proven to be capable of big power, so will probably become even more desirable as time passes. :happy2:

'TFSI' is a robust platform particularity CDL, the only minor issue is follower wear which is easy enough to manage. Compare that with a timing failure...

The belt has a change interval whereas a chain doesn't, but running higher output over a long period of time may increase wear on the chain?
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: GrayMK5GTI on November 11, 2013, 12:04:46 pm
I think I'll be sticking with the MKVI Golf R looking at that then!

More potential with the MKVI engine over the "improved" MKVII!

I cannot imagine how badly that tensioner will restrict power having seen some of the catastrophic failures both on the Web and physically seeing the remnants of a failure.

Also, the integrated manifold looks like a complete no go area for upgrades unless an aftermarket tuner spends £XXXXXX's on developing a full head replacement with upgraded manifold included.

The MKVI R engine is well proven to be capable of big power, so will probably become even more desirable as time passes. :happy2:

'TFSI' is a robust platform particularity CDL, the only minor issue is follower wear which is easy enough to manage. Compare that with a timing failure...

The belt has a change interval whereas a chain doesn't, but running higher output over a long period of time may increase wear on the chain?

I doubt having more power will affect the chain much, it doesnt take any load off the engine, it just turns with the engine.

If Honda and other manufacturers can make a chain reliable for 100+k miles, why can't VW?

Or maybe they will have a more robust setup in the 2014 engines  :popcornsoda:
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: TheDGM on November 11, 2013, 02:28:09 pm
Really loving the new .:R
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: wigit on November 11, 2013, 04:28:24 pm
nice little write up on the new engine, maybe complete bs but deserved an airing after being posted on a rocco forum where it would be lost for ever

http://fourtitude.com/features/Miscellaneous_Features_16/tech-analysis-next-generation-2-0-tfsi-for-new-audi-s3/

funnily enough the reason i ordered the R was i wanted something faster out the box in the first place as don't want to do too much to it
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Chris92 on November 11, 2013, 06:27:23 pm
I'm sure I read a while ago that it'll have indirect injection as well as direct injection oh and they have a plastic sump  :sick:
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Hurdy on November 11, 2013, 07:29:37 pm
I'm sure I read a while ago that it'll have indirect injection as well as direct injection oh and they have a plastic sump  :sick:

Yep, two sets of injectors. Definitely on the GTI, so 99.99% sure that will be the case for the S3/R.
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Janner_Sy on November 11, 2013, 08:17:00 pm
nice little write up on the new engine, maybe complete bs but deserved an airing after being posted on a rocco forum where it would be lost for ever

http://fourtitude.com/features/Miscellaneous_Features_16/tech-analysis-next-generation-2-0-tfsi-for-new-audi-s3/

funnily enough the reason i ordered the R was i wanted something faster out the box in the first place as don't want to do too much to it

300Hp at 5500rpm with the tubo only running 1.2bar shouts massive potential!!
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: RobH on November 11, 2013, 09:16:24 pm
Guess that's how ABT got 370hp from it, even MTM are quoting 360hp  :surprised:

There supposedly a tuner in Germany that's got 450hp from an S3 with hardware... No link to that though...
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Chrismeardon on November 12, 2013, 11:30:03 am
Does anyone know how VW have improved the economy as well as increasing the power? They are quoting some crazy MPG figures for a 300BHP car... which IMO is one of the main reasons its more attractive than a Mk6 R.

I'll be test driving one when they are available and the early issues show no teething issues (which are inevitable on a new car)
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: GrayMK5GTI on November 12, 2013, 12:19:37 pm
Does anyone know how VW have improved the economy as well as increasing the power? They are quoting some crazy MPG figures for a 300BHP car... which IMO is one of the main reasons its more attractive than a Mk6 R.

I'll be test driving one when they are available and the early issues show no teething issues (which are inevitable on a new car)

Weight saving!!

also - less friction in the engine/ gearbox, more aerodynamic, better combusion in the cylinders etc. . .  :happy2:
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: wigit on November 12, 2013, 02:14:35 pm
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Another improvement includes the addition of indirect injection to supplement the FSI direction injection system when operating under partial load. By utilizing this feature, this lowers consumption and particulate emissions, balancing the direct injection system that is utilized more efficiently at startup and under higher loads.

We''l see what the figures are in the real world as there is stop start in the mix as well
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: xjay1337 on November 12, 2013, 03:49:25 pm
I'm sure I read a while ago that it'll have indirect injection as well as direct injection oh and they have a plastic sump  :sick:

If that's true....

 :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

However in the press release link above it says it has direct injection..  :driver:
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Poverty on November 12, 2013, 04:06:50 pm
Yes the sump is plastic but reinforced plastic it's tough.

Indirect injection is there to keep the valves clean
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: swgti on November 13, 2013, 07:16:53 am
Does anyone know how VW have improved the economy as well as increasing the power? They are quoting some crazy MPG figures for a 300BHP car... which IMO is one of the main reasons its more attractive than a Mk6 R.

I'll be test driving one when they are available and the early issues show no teething issues (which are inevitable on a new car)

It might not get near them, actual and "claimed" figures are always poles apart in my experience, but who knows proof will be in the pudding as they say and I think manufacturers have had to change they way they come to these figures now to make them more accurate now?
It would be interesting to hear from any Mk7 Gti owners to see if they're getting anywhere near the combined 44mpg being claimed.
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: GTI5 on November 13, 2013, 09:32:05 am
Does anyone know how VW have improved the economy as well as increasing the power? They are quoting some crazy MPG figures for a 300BHP car... which IMO is one of the main reasons its more attractive than a Mk6 R.

I'll be test driving one when they are available and the early issues show no teething issues (which are inevitable on a new car)

It might not get near them, actual and "claimed" figures are always poles apart in my experience, but who knows proof will be in the pudding as they say and I think manufacturers have had to change they way they come to these figures now to make them more accurate now?
It would be interesting to hear from any Mk7 Gti owners to see if they're getting anywhere near the combined 44mpg being claimed.

I've found Combined figures on my GTI's can be achieved. I would say take around 5 off the combined figure for a more accurate day to day mpg.

Economy is very dependent on driving conditions...stop/start driving kills mpg.
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: gobbleplease on November 13, 2013, 10:39:24 pm
Got to remember that this is the second fastest hot hatch out there at the moment round the ring, so it is an impressive machine out the box.  :happy2:
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: berg on November 13, 2013, 10:45:54 pm
Got to remember that this is the second fastest hot hatch out there at the moment round the ring, so it is an impressive machine out the box.  :happy2:


what after the A45 AMG?
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Tortaruga on November 13, 2013, 11:21:43 pm
what after the A45 AMG?
R32.
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Scottymon on November 13, 2013, 11:30:21 pm
Wish they made a Supercharged R32 so it wouldn't get such a slating... gave one some grief today, I was pulling on it, but hearing it at full chat was fun.
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Poverty on November 14, 2013, 02:26:21 am
Got to remember that this is the second fastest hot hatch out there at the moment round the ring, so it is an impressive machine out the box.  :happy2:


what after the A45 AMG?

4th fastest "officially"

Slower than the megane
Slower than the mk7 GolfR
Slower than the a45 AMG

Do I genuinely believe a stock off the showroom floor megane sport would beat the m135i though , IMO no.
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: tony_danza on November 14, 2013, 09:41:53 am
Where's the R's Ring lap info?

I can see a few claims to the time, but no info as to who set it (Sport Auto, VW, etc.)

If they've made the kind of progress they should have done, it's certainly in the right ballpark with that time.
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: gobbleplease on November 14, 2013, 09:42:47 am
No i was talking about the MK7 golf R at the moment its the second fastest Hot hatch roound the ring

Megane 265 Rs
Golf R Mk7

Very impressive :happy2:, its even quicker than the BMW 1M Coupe !! not by much right enough.
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: tony_danza on November 14, 2013, 11:09:38 am
Yeah that's what I mean, there's an 8:14 claim, but no link to where it's come from??

Edit: there's a claim on a Ring times website the 8:14 source was Auto Zeitung (German version of Auto Express). 3 months ago. No ref to it at all on AZ's website, and how they'd have had a Golf R to test 3 months ago is beyond me.

Sorry. Whilst I'm perfectly happy to accept car car is capable of the time, I think that's a bit dodge at the moment.

Peers:

Mk6 Golf R                ring 8:34   Hockenheim 1:17.9
Mk6 ED35                 ring 8:38   Hockenheim 1:19.0
Mk7 GTI (perf pack)   ring 8:29   Hockenheim 1:17.8
8V S3                       (no Ring)   Hockenheim 1:16.8 (M135i x-drive 15.3)

M135i                       ring 8:18   Hockenheim 1:15.7
RS3                          ring 8:20   Hockenheim 1:15.4
1M                           ring 8:15   Hockenheim 1:14.1

As some kind of base, the 8V S3 is slower around Hockenheim than the last 3 I've added there, which wouldn't bode well for its time around the Ring - can the Golf R be *that* much better than an S3? Remains to be seen. I'd take a punt at it coming in with an 8:20ish.

4WD broadly speaking buys you a bit of time over FWD around the shorter, twisty track - as you can see the MK6 R and MK7 GTI have .1 in it, but then the MK7 really claws back time on the Ring.

Source for all = Sport Auto

S3 v M135i x-drive test (http://www.sportauto.de/vergleichstest/audi-s3-gegen-bmw-m135i-xdrive-kompakte-allradsportler-im-duell-7520235.html?show=2)
General lap time board (http://www.sportauto.de/rundenzeiten-nuerburgring-nordschleife-3649995.html?sort=ZeitNS)
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Poverty on November 14, 2013, 05:40:31 pm
I think you are probably right I'll see if I can find the article of the Golf R time, the scans must be somewhere.

Nice to see that the TTRS hockenheim lap time still obliterates the competition. Viva la TTRS  :driver:
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Poverty on November 14, 2013, 05:43:15 pm
Ok I've found it, autozeitung quote that time as a VW claim.
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: tony_danza on November 14, 2013, 05:50:08 pm
Yeah, you'd not think the TTRS and RS3 were so closely related eh!! Very quick indeed.

I hear the R has a 'Race' mode - wonder what that is then?? I'd be genuinely chuffed to see it run an 8:14, that'd be some leap forward and exactly what it needs. I'll take VW's claim as a pinch until I see someone else test it though.
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: rich83 on November 14, 2013, 06:05:33 pm
I think race mode is just another "level" on the chassis electronic thingy-majig!
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: wigit on November 14, 2013, 06:12:01 pm
From Volkswagen UK website

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Adaptive Chassis Control (DCC) is an option.  For the first time, this offers a ‘Race’ mode, which increases damping, thereby reducing body movements.  In conjunction with the driver profile selector (standard on all Golfs from SE), Race mode also attenuates throttle response, and alters the shift pattern of the DSG gearbox (where fitted).

On top of ESC Sport mode, as found on the GTI and GTD, which delays intervention of the electronic stability control system, the R offers the option fully to disengage the ESC, for track driving.
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: tony_danza on November 14, 2013, 06:16:12 pm
Nice!  :happy2:

Presumably locks out the DSG too into full manual.
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Saintsteve on November 14, 2013, 06:18:48 pm
From Volkswagen UK website

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Adaptive Chassis Control (DCC) is an option.  For the first time, this offers a ‘Race’ mode, which increases damping, thereby reducing body movements.  In conjunction with the driver profile selector (standard on all Golfs from SE), Race mode also attenuates throttle response, and alters the shift pattern of the DSG gearbox (where fitted).
Also makes the cars ECU to deploy the brake pedal to stop driver enjoyment  :popcornsoda:
On top of ESC Sport mode, as found on the GTI and GTD, which delays intervention of the electronic stability control system, the R offers the option fully to disengage the ESC, for track driving.
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Poverty on November 14, 2013, 06:34:14 pm
 Not if ESP is fully turnt off before hand...
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: rich83 on November 14, 2013, 06:54:58 pm
Nice!  :happy2:

Presumably locks out the DSG too into full manual.

My thought is that i will still auto up shift!
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Poverty on November 14, 2013, 07:04:55 pm
The TTRS and rs3 will bounce off the limiter till you shift
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Saintsteve on November 14, 2013, 07:06:55 pm
Not if ESP is fully turnt off before hand...

Tiff off fifth gear couldn't get it to fully turn off..hated it
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Oli on November 14, 2013, 07:24:07 pm
Where can you configure  the Golf R :happy2:
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: rich83 on November 14, 2013, 07:26:18 pm
Not if ESP is fully turnt off before hand...

Tiff off fifth gear couldn't get it to fully turn off..hated it

Ive watched that video... and all he was trying to do is get the back end to step out. That isnt really how you drive a car fast on the road. (nice glimpse of the ed30 on there though  :happy2: )
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: tony_danza on November 14, 2013, 07:26:35 pm
Clearly the new GTI is still faster than an ED30/35, even if you can't turn it all off....
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: wigit on November 14, 2013, 07:27:33 pm
Where can you configure  the Golf R :happy2:

Not yet Oli you have to do it the old fashioned way  :happy2:

http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/about-us/news/554/order-books-open-for-range-topping-300-ps-volkswagen-golf-r
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Oli on November 14, 2013, 07:27:47 pm
Not if ESP is fully turnt off before hand...

Tiff off fifth gear couldn't get it to fully turn off..hated it

Ive watched that video... and all he was trying to do is get the back end to step out. That isnt really how you drive a car fast on the road. (nice glimpse of the ed30 on there though  :happy2: )

Sounds like Chris Harris with his understeer, they all do it, totally not like road driving at all :happy2:
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Oli on November 14, 2013, 07:28:24 pm
Where can you configure  the Golf R :happy2:

Not yet Oli you have to do it the old fashioned way  :happy2:

http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/about-us/news/554/order-books-open-for-range-topping-300-ps-volkswagen-golf-r

Thanks

And nice spec, got me thinking.........still loving the RS though
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: R32UK on November 14, 2013, 08:01:34 pm
The mk6 tsi engines have an issue with the timing chain tensioner. The part has been revised a few times. If it fails vw are replacing the entire engine.

Happened to mine... but did get a  new engine for me to try blow up again  :laugh:
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Poverty on November 14, 2013, 08:48:59 pm
Not if ESP is fully turnt off before hand...

Tiff off fifth gear couldn't get it to fully turn off..hated it


Hmmmm wonder if he did it right or maybe the press car didn't have that function?

Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: wigit on November 14, 2013, 08:51:19 pm
Hmmmm wonder if he did it right or maybe the press car didn't have that function?

Can only be fully disabled on the R not the GTI which would explain why Mr Ogier smokes a front left on the promo vid  :happy2:
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: Top Cat on November 19, 2013, 08:17:34 pm
Ordered one to replace the 35 which may or may not stay in the family depending on the wife, i went to see it and Frankfurt and fate of the 35 was sealed

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fwigit71%2FGolf_R%2FRR_zps240de25f.jpg&hash=a80dbdb4388c1ade6b25d8b5b0bab7f2d5cb387d)

Spec wise I've gone 3 door DSG, in Lapiz Blue, 19" Pretorias , ACC and winter pack, standard spec like the Mk7 GTI is daily strong, the standard trim is alcantara  and cloth, who knows when it will term up but currently working on April 2014

Not everyones cup of tea but hey ho





I always find myself lusting after the cars you buy. Your like that kid at School who always came into class with the latest pair of Adidas before they were ever in the shops.   :fighting2:
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: rob_e on December 16, 2013, 04:18:01 pm
Just had a call from my local vw dealer - i'm on a list to get a call for a test drive when they get their demo in.. 

 :driver:

Mrs rob_e wants to buy a diesel people carrier  :stupid:  .. and although i'd normally scream and pull out what remaining hair i have.. in this case it's actually going to be in my favour.  When she has an economical practical vehicle that means i can ditch the family-friendly vRS wagon and get something a bit more, er.. Golf R-ish!

 :jumping:
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: wigit on December 16, 2013, 04:31:43 pm
is that Ridgeway in Kidlington Rob? mrs w may be going for a more door on 18s instead of a GTI after i told her i'd pay the difference
Title: Re: Mk 7 R
Post by: rob_e on December 16, 2013, 04:48:50 pm
is that Ridgeway in Kidlington Rob? mrs w may be going for a more door on 18s instead of a GTI after i told her i'd pay the difference

Yep, they said they should have a car in early March. 

Mine would also be a four (more?!) door too - kiddie friendly and all that - don't want them scuffing the interior as they climb in and out of the back like they do now on SWMBO's mini lol...