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Title: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Top Cat on December 03, 2008, 02:40:37 pm
Ok both of them are going to the meet and have been talking about a bit of battle for ages.  :evilgrin:
I have left the option open to change your vote, just in case one of them goes mad and bolts on a big turbo, boys will be boys. :driver:

Joe has predicted his BHP at 250.  :chicken:
Phil is standard with DSG  at 230ish

Gentlemen start your voting.  :driver:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: joesgti on December 03, 2008, 03:34:09 pm
Ok both of them are going to the meet and have been talking about a bit of battle for ages.  :evilgrin:
I have left the option open to change your vote, just in case one of them goes mad and bolts on a big turbo, boys will be boys. :driver:

Joe has predicted his BHP at 250.  :chicken:
Phil is standard with DSG  at 230ish

Gentlemen start your voting.  :driver:

RR @ 251 before the i/c and i can defo tell thats been put on!  :drool: so not predicted  :P

oh and TC.....u in a daft mood as usual!!  :signLOL:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Top Cat on December 03, 2008, 03:35:54 pm
Just trying to get as many peeps along to the meet as possible Joe same as you.  :drinking:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: joesgti on December 03, 2008, 03:39:57 pm
Just trying to get as many peeps along to the meet as possible Joe same as you.  :drinking:

well if you want lots to turn up then we would have to advertise on other forums as a mk5golfgti.co.uk meet! this would get lots of interest and also advertise the site,

but it would also take away from the "friendly-ness" about the meet as most have met each other before  :smiley: up to you pal  :happy2:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Top Cat on December 03, 2008, 03:45:42 pm
Just trying to get as many peeps along to the meet as possible Joe same as you.  :drinking:

well if you want lots to turn up then we would have to advertise on other forums as a mk5golfgti.co.uk meet! this would get lots of interest and also advertise the site,

but it would also take away from the "friendly-ness" about the meet as most have met each other before  :smiley: up to you pal  :happy2:

Just on here is fine i think joe, i want lots of members on here to go. possibly beat the last GTI count.  :smiley:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: T88OMM on December 03, 2008, 03:48:12 pm
Joe is going to win  :driver:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: SteveP on December 03, 2008, 05:04:41 pm
It's got to be the Officer with the DSG box  :signLOL:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Hurdy on December 03, 2008, 06:48:15 pm
Backing DSG on this one, especially if he gets his Christmas wish granted :wink:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: vwrascal on December 03, 2008, 06:56:15 pm
I vote phil, only cause he has fire engine red GTI   :happy2:  and YES i am SAD!!!
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: WhiteGTI on December 03, 2008, 06:57:14 pm
Backing DSG on this one, especially if he gets his Christmas wish granted :wink:

Does this begin with 'r' and end in 'p' ????????????!
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: MAT ED30 on December 03, 2008, 07:46:25 pm
no i think milly  :rolleye:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: T88OMM on December 03, 2008, 07:55:02 pm
Im Backing Joe to the death. I think the extra torque he has on Phil will help him cross the finish line first! Don't let me down Joe!  :happy2: :jumpmove:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: luca on December 04, 2008, 12:10:59 am
Im backing joe too, dsg is lightning quick at shifting but a manual can shift almost as quick. The launch is the important bit, dont want to launch from anything over 2000rpm imo or you will be sitting at the line wheel hopping.
I think joes extra power and torque will give him the edge.
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: joesgti on December 04, 2008, 09:17:21 am
also got short shifter, ecs insert and milly cat back will all be fixed by jan  :P
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: JPC on December 04, 2008, 10:22:23 am
its certainly sounds like "ITS ON!!!" (south park dance off style)
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: joesgti on December 04, 2008, 10:28:48 am
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fdd153%2Fjoesgti%2Fepisode805.jpg&hash=151ea4d91db4c4b880ab7bb4091801f4c6d8d8a6)
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: JPC on December 04, 2008, 10:46:59 am
haha! ye thats the one!
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: T88OMM on December 04, 2008, 03:30:38 pm
Haha! The one on the far right of the picture looks like you Jay  :happy2:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: JPC on December 04, 2008, 03:42:37 pm
and this like you!

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmingers.com%2Fphotos%2Fweek%2FSexyPeople%281%29.jpg&hash=a6aeb769905ea712e8ea9332ee04ce6ab0719892)
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: joesgti on December 04, 2008, 03:50:36 pm
 :signIWS: :P :P :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: T88OMM on December 04, 2008, 03:56:30 pm
That looks like a fat version of your misses  :happy2:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: T88OMM on December 04, 2008, 04:00:27 pm
Back on track. What is the penalty for the loser of the race. There has got to be something riding on it. Suggestions??  :wink:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: joesgti on December 04, 2008, 04:01:27 pm
That looks like a fat version of your misses  :happy2:

LMAO  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: joesgti on December 04, 2008, 04:02:16 pm
Back on track. What is the penalty for the loser of the race. There has got to be something riding on it. Suggestions??  :wink:

each others cars  :grin: :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: markymark on December 04, 2008, 04:14:39 pm
Back on track. What is the penalty for the loser of the race. There has got to be something riding on it. Suggestions??  :wink:

each others cars  :grin: :grin: :grin:

Haha, yeah just like Pinks!
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Top Cat on December 04, 2008, 05:14:46 pm
Both of them have
Back on track. What is the penalty for the loser of the race. There has got to be something riding on it. Suggestions??  :wink:

We have over 150 members probably 200 by the time of the dual, so they both have there reputations riding on it. Everybody will be filming it and the loser will probably have to leave the site in shame.  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I cant wait.

In batman styley. Will Joes nerve hold out on the line, Will Phil even turn up, Will Joes S3 cooler fall off half way up the strip. These questions are yet to be answered.  :party: :party: :party: :jumping: :jumping: :jumping: :jumping: :jumping: :jumping: :jumping: :jumping: :jumping: :jumping:    :signIWS:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: stealthwolf on December 04, 2008, 10:09:22 pm
Quote
The winner will be showered with praise. The loser will be taunted and booed until my throat is sore

 :jumping: :jumping: :jumping:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: T88OMM on December 06, 2008, 01:58:54 pm
I think if Phil loses he has to remap his car  :happy2:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: QD MBE on December 06, 2008, 02:27:47 pm
Back on track. What is the penalty for the loser of the race. There has got to be something riding on it. Suggestions??  :wink:

how about something like the penalty in Golf, if with your tee shot you don't make it past the Ladies Tee?

Clue - Zip Lob, then play the rest of the hole!! :signLOL: :signLOL:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: T88OMM on December 06, 2008, 02:30:42 pm
Back on track. What is the penalty for the loser of the race. There has got to be something riding on it. Suggestions??  :wink:

how about something like the penalty in Golf, if with your tee shot you don't make it past the Ladies Tee?

Clue - Zip Lob, then play the rest of the hole!! :signLOL: :signLOL:

Yeah that would be hilarious!! The loser has to run down the strip with their pants down by their ankles  :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: QD MBE on December 06, 2008, 02:32:30 pm
I was thinking of him getting the hotdogs in!! :signLOL: :signLOL:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: T88OMM on December 06, 2008, 02:34:40 pm
I was thinking of him getting the hotdogs in!! :signLOL: :signLOL:

^^^  :grin: :grin: :grin: :P :P :P :grin: :grin: :grin: ^^^
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Phil Mcavity on December 09, 2008, 01:13:02 pm
hmmm, should be a close one,  although no manual is a match for a quick shifting DSG

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gmMNRQ1GJ3o

237BHP phylis v 250 Standard GTi Remaped stage 1, lets hope its more powerful then redRobins which ive chased before.DSG IS WORTH 30 BHP equive manual.

All down to the start and my new years gift to stand me in good sted  or Joe eats one too many at Krispys :wink: :laugh:

i vote Phil lol
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Greeners on December 09, 2008, 01:16:15 pm
^^^ Strange that VW Driver mag never seem to be able to make the DSG ED30 accelerate quicker than a manual?  :P :grin:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Phil Mcavity on December 09, 2008, 02:36:57 pm
i know what you mean nathan, these japaneese guys are just Amature's and the Journo's are the real know it all's  :wink:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Greeners on December 09, 2008, 02:41:48 pm
Steve, I think if you had a Lada Riva you would argue until you were blue in the face it's the best car on the planet  :P It's a big old world out there mate  :grin: :wink:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Phil Mcavity on December 09, 2008, 02:45:06 pm
Steve, I think if you had a Lada Riva you would argue until you were blue in the face   :grin: :wink:

didnt i tell you thats my new 2nd car.....

Im not taking this seriously Nathan, just enjoying the Fuss going on started by others in here :smiley:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Greeners on December 09, 2008, 02:50:59 pm
Steve, I think if you had a Lada Riva you would argue until you were blue in the face   :grin: :wink:

didnt i tell you thats my new 2nd car.....

Im not taking this seriously Nathan, just enjoying the Fuss going on started by others in here :smiley:

Well Im having fun either way mate  :P :wink: :happy2:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Phil Mcavity on December 09, 2008, 02:55:09 pm
it should be a close one, joe's torque curve is higher but drops away up the rev range whilst my hold around 240-250ilbs ft accross the range, cars will only reach 100mph down a quarter mile, so he might get away quick but i should close in come the finish where the larger turbo and boost may hold out. Photo finish possibly?
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: joesgti on December 09, 2008, 03:04:15 pm
yea, should be a close one!! oh and mine holds boost a lil longer now, noticed it after the cooler was fitted. may get a RR figure whilst im at awesome tomorrow if theyl do it.  :happy2:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Phil Mcavity on December 09, 2008, 03:06:44 pm
yes let me know how much it improves so i can remove the back seat, spare wheel, passenger seat, carpets, Wife and childseats to gain better traction!. Looks for Vtec's tips on launch control and weight shedding :xmaslaugh:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: john_o on December 09, 2008, 03:10:45 pm
I voted for you Phil  :happy2:  :P
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: luca on December 09, 2008, 03:12:50 pm
Come on phil, dsg a 30bhp advantage :signLOL:
I think 10-15 tops. Joe could always leave his foot planted when shifting to keep the turbo spinning all the time :evilgrin:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Phil Mcavity on December 09, 2008, 03:15:53 pm
ok maybe not quite 30 bhp but im not splitting hairs on it.

Mrs Mcavity shall be in attendance aswell to hold my hand incase of defeat  :smiley:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: luca on December 09, 2008, 03:22:16 pm
Its going to be really close, cant wait for it now.  :happy2:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: joesgti on December 09, 2008, 03:53:14 pm
Come on phil, dsg a 30bhp advantage :signLOL:
I think 10-15 tops. Joe could always leave his foot planted when shifting to keep the turbo spinning all the time :evilgrin:

the trick isnt to keep it planted, but not to fully let off!  :evilgrin:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Strat on December 09, 2008, 09:40:00 pm
Iv gotta back Joe, come on young gun!
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: joesgti on December 10, 2008, 09:26:34 am
Iv gotta back Joe, come on young gun!

 :happy2: :happy2: :happy2: :jumpmove:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on December 10, 2008, 12:53:09 pm
Mmmm decisions, decisions...  :confused:
I haven't voted yet as i'm not entirely sure as to who will get there results flash up first.. The biggest factor here will be who gets  off the line the best. If both cars are at the 60ft or even the 330ft marker level together, then I would fancy Phil's to nip it.. HOWEVER, if Joe gets his off the line without lighting up, the extra torque shove he will get will initially give him a nice lead, especially if he's on the ball with his reaction times, as Phil will suffer from the infamous DSG launch control pause, like this... :sad:
http://s242.photobucket.com/albums/ff284/lucachiarelli/?action=view&current=MOV00046.flv
I actually took my foot of the brake before Matt moved too..  :sad:
If that happens I don't think Phil will pull that back on the 1/4 mile, as it will over to soon..
I for one can't wait to see it?   :jumping:

Why stop there TC, why not pair a load of other people off together (with similar spec/power) for a mini forum shoot out???  :jumping:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Top Cat on December 10, 2008, 01:00:16 pm
Mmmm decisions, decisions...  :confused:
I haven't voted yet as i'm not entirely sure as to who will get there results flash up first.. The biggest factor here will be who get get off the line the best. If both cars are at the 60ft or even the 330ft marker level together, then I would fancy Phil's to nip it.. HOWEVER, if Joe gets his off the line without lighting up, the extra torque shove he will get will initially give him a nice lead (especially if he's on the ball with his reaction times, as Phil will suffer from the infamous DSG launch control pause  :sad:) and I don't think Phil will pull that back on the 1/4 mile, as it will over to soon..
I for one can't wait to see it?   :jumping:

Why stop there TC, why not pair a load of other people off together (with similar spec/power) for a mini forum shoot out???  :jumping:

good idea,  yes i can see it evolving like that to be honest Ben, the list is pretty much confirmed now we will maybe get one or two more names so after christmas i think i will start putting something like that together. :happy2:

Who do you want me to pair you with Ben Johnny C or your understudy luca.  :grin:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: joesgti on December 10, 2008, 01:03:14 pm
id like to see ben and hurdy have a blast!!  :jumpmove:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on December 10, 2008, 01:08:51 pm
I don't mind who i'm paired with to be honest. It'll be a bloody good day either way..
JonnyC will probably have some fire breathing, tarmac rippling, 400+bhp engine that spits fuel at you by then..  :grin:
Think me and Hurdy would be a fair comparison. He does have a fair few more mods, but not a MASSIVE power difference and they are both DSG too..
Or the Team dynamic crew could also fight it out.. (Me, John and Luca  :grin:)
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: luca on December 10, 2008, 01:26:10 pm
I don't mind who i'm paired with to be honest. It'll be a bloody good day either way..
JonnyC will probably have some fire breathing, tarmac rippling, 400+bhp engine that spits fuel at you by then..  :grin:
Think me and Hurdy would be a fair comparison. He does have a fair few more mods, but not a MASSIVE power difference and they are both DSG too..
Or the Team dynamic crew could also fight it out.. (Me, John and Luca  :grin:)

Team dynamics shootout :grin:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Top Cat on December 10, 2008, 01:32:23 pm
We wil have look after christmas, if we can get good match ups like Joe and Phil then it should be excellent. there cars could not be more different but on paper they look very equally matched.  :jumpmove:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Hurdy on December 10, 2008, 02:32:18 pm
I don't mind who i'm paired with to be honest. It'll be a bloody good day either way..
JonnyC will probably have some fire breathing, tarmac rippling, 400+bhp engine that spits fuel at you by then..  :grin:
Think me and Hurdy would be a fair comparison. He does have a fair few more mods, but not a MASSIVE power difference and they are both DSG too..
Or the Team dynamic crew could also fight it out.. (Me, John and Luca  :grin:)

Team dynamics shootout :grin:

 :happy2: Hopefully I'll be all Quaiffed up by then too :jumping:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: luca on December 10, 2008, 03:01:08 pm
Mmmm decisions, decisions...  :confused:
I haven't voted yet as i'm not entirely sure as to who will get there results flash up first.. The biggest factor here will be who get get off the line the best. If both cars are at the 60ft or even the 330ft marker level together, then I would fancy Phil's to nip it.. HOWEVER, if Joe gets his off the line without lighting up, the extra torque shove he will get will initially give him a nice lead (especially if he's on the ball with his reaction times, as Phil will suffer from the infamous DSG launch control pause  :sad:) and I don't think Phil will pull that back on the 1/4 mile, as it will over to soon..
I for one can't wait to see it?   :jumping:

Why stop there TC, why not pair a load of other people off together (with similar spec/power) for a mini forum shoot out???  :jumping:

good idea,  yes i can see it evolving like that to be honest Ben, the list is pretty much confirmed now we will maybe get one or two more names so after christmas i think i will start putting something like that together. :happy2:

Who do you want me to pair you with Ben Johnny C or your understudy luca.  :grin:

I'll go against anyone, me vs ben would be a good one, to see how much advantage the dsg gives over manual as our cars have identical mods :smiley:.
Im not competetive, you will see as i usually like lining up against really really quick cars that i have no chance against just so i can hear them at full throttle next to me 8). Last time i was there, i went up against an e60 m5 with a full exhaust system, an rx7 with a tuned 5.7 corvette engine, full on yank muscle car that ran 10 dead :drool:.
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: NeilM on December 10, 2008, 03:49:41 pm
Hoping for a better start than at Bruntingthorpe, my 1st time at the sprinting game managed 14.1 and 5.5 0-60, the LSD may help now and not falling asleep at the wheel :ashamed:

 http://s372.photobucket.com/albums/oo163/neilmelvin/?action=view&current=Bruntingthorpesprint55sec.flv
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Phil Mcavity on December 10, 2008, 03:59:03 pm
Im looking foward to this, rumour has it that phylis is having a Xmas present to give me a good shout down Santa Pod  :wink:

Likes been said, launch control will delay my start but hopefully be able to catch joe later down the quarter mile.

Shall be a VERY close battle.

My hotel will be booked for a stay over the night before. :xmassmiley:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: T88OMM on December 10, 2008, 04:01:11 pm
I will take you on Luca if you fancy it...similar modifications. Would be a good battle  :happy2:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: luca on December 10, 2008, 04:21:32 pm
No problem tom, you only have the fuel pump over me so should all depend on the launch :wink:
Is your manual?
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: T88OMM on December 10, 2008, 04:25:56 pm
Yeah mine is a manual  :happy2:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: joesgti on December 10, 2008, 04:28:08 pm
i thought the point was that phylis stayed std??  :rolleye:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: luca on December 10, 2008, 04:29:56 pm
Should be a close one :happy2:
Might need some new tyres by then as mine havent got much tread.
You can all see how quick the mini's are at pod as there are quite a few highly modded cooper s' coming down :laugh:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Top Cat on December 10, 2008, 04:43:14 pm
i thought the point was that phylis stayed std??  :rolleye:

No that was not mentioned Joe its just a forum friendly comp you can strap a rocket on the back of yours if you so wish. I started this friendly little battle by saying the votes are allowed to be changed in case anyone adds bits to try and help them win. alls fair in track and mods.  :grouphug:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on December 10, 2008, 04:44:39 pm
Hoping for a better start than at Bruntingthorpe, my 1st time at the sprinting game managed 14.1 and 5.5 0-60, the LSD may help now and not falling asleep at the wheel :ashamed:

 http://s372.photobucket.com/albums/oo163/neilmelvin/?action=view&current=Bruntingthorpesprint55sec.flv

Don't forget there was a massive headwind at Bruntingthorpe Neil, so in good conditions @ Pod you will easily see 13's. I only managed a 13.5 @ Inters and I lobbed the back seats out that day. So was a fair way off my best (13.2 when in full road trim)..
I see you can use launch control now mate..?  :happy2:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: joesgti on December 10, 2008, 04:46:49 pm
well ifF philys is adding some bhp then I VOTE PHIL TO WIN!!  :happy2:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on December 10, 2008, 04:46:55 pm
i thought the point was that phylis stayed std??  :rolleye:
Hardly think a cat-back Milltek is going to give Phil masses of extra power Joe.. Unless Phil is keeping his cards close to his chest and has written to Mr S Claus and asked him to bring a DP and 200 cell cat in his sack too  :laugh:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on December 10, 2008, 04:51:00 pm
well ifF philys is adding some bhp then I VOTE PHIL TO WIN!!  :happy2:
Have you not got a zorst on yours Joe?  :confused: Could of sworn you did..
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Phil Mcavity on December 10, 2008, 05:01:41 pm
I have brand new rubber fitted to both front tyres on mine this week plus my additional planned addition before the Pod.Should have plenty of grip on the Pods Soft Road :happy2:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Top Cat on December 10, 2008, 05:04:59 pm
I hope your not trying to talk yourself out of it Joe, its only a laugh. :xmaslaugh: :xmaslaugh: :xmaslaugh: :xmaslaugh: :xmaslaugh: :xmaslaugh: :xmaslaugh: :xmaslaugh: :xmaslaugh:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: joesgti on December 11, 2008, 09:17:40 am
course not!!  :P

ive also got some new rubber last week, goodyear asys now  :innocent:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Phil Mcavity on December 11, 2008, 03:28:18 pm
I shall be in combat   :wink: to give me a slight weight advantage !
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: gazbutS3 on December 11, 2008, 03:56:05 pm
havin seen a picture of you and havin met Joe a few times, I think you'd have to cut a leg off or 2 to be the same weight as Joe he's built like a racing snake  :rolleye:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Phil Mcavity on December 11, 2008, 04:09:05 pm
Ok best i lay off the Pie's for a while,

<<heads for his treadmill :nerd:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: gazbutS3 on December 11, 2008, 04:15:09 pm
no offence meant :grin:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Top Cat on December 11, 2008, 04:22:00 pm
You have to take into account the christmas factor as well i reckon PHil will put on at least 15 BHP worth of mince pies.  :laugh:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Phil Mcavity on December 11, 2008, 07:09:48 pm

You have to take into account the christmas factor as well i reckon PHil will put on at least 15 BHP worth of mince pies.  :laugh:
maybe 5-10bhp and about 15-20lbs ft of torque :wink:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: stealthwolf on December 11, 2008, 07:37:19 pm
Phil, get an inflated, floating balloon and take it with you. Then before you start, inhale the helium and it'll make you loads lighter!  :grin: :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: joesgti on December 12, 2008, 09:19:51 am
havin seen a picture of you and havin met Joe a few times, I think you'd have to cut a leg off or 2 to be the same weight as Joe he's built like a racing snake  :rolleye:

lmao  :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:  :signLOL: :signLOL: :P
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: NEWEY on December 12, 2008, 12:27:49 pm
i have voted for joe... but its going to be close i feel
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: joesgti on December 12, 2008, 02:05:26 pm
i have voted for joe... but its going to be close i feel

nice one  :happy2: backing the original GTI  :drinking:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Top Cat on December 12, 2008, 03:12:22 pm
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Keep your votes coming in JoesGTI is coming back in on the voting now, there is only 3 votes in it.  :jumping: :jumping: :jumping:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: stealthwolf on December 12, 2008, 03:15:50 pm
there is only 3 votes in it.  :jumping: :jumping: :jumping:

4

Phil, you'd better not let me down!
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Top Cat on December 12, 2008, 03:19:27 pm
 :signLOL:

Stealth just think of all that christmas food that Phil will be troffing your talking a stone at least, thats got to worth 2 or 3 BHP.  :xmaslaugh:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: The wheel man on December 12, 2008, 03:21:43 pm
is this the best out of 3?  backing Joe all the way  :happy2:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: 182_blue on December 12, 2008, 03:25:20 pm
im with Joe on this one  :happy2:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Top Cat on December 12, 2008, 03:26:58 pm
is this the best out of 3?  backing Joe all the way  :happy2:

No its a straight shoot out.  :party:
I thought you had to get in a really long que to have a run, wasnt Luca and Vtec talking last time about waiting over an hour.  :party:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: The wheel man on December 12, 2008, 03:30:28 pm
 :confused: 1hr!!

Yea so er, best of 1 then  :laugh:  better get praticing the starts Joe!!  you are carrying the price of the GTI on your shoulders, dont let them ED30 boys beat you!!!  :evilgrin:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: WhiteGTI on December 12, 2008, 03:38:25 pm
Joe, I voted for you, but don't let me down boy!!!!!

Don't get too carried away at the launch, because I reckon that Steve will have you off the line! I'm just banking on the extra torque/power from your remap to enable you to gradually accelerate past him!

:driver:

Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: stealthwolf on December 12, 2008, 03:40:36 pm
Phyllis have a warm up or two beforehand to make the tyres warmer and stickier and ensure the car's at maximum operability.

And if there's a tailwind, we can stick up a sail! :signLOL:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: luca on December 12, 2008, 05:17:47 pm
Depends how busy it is. first time i went i got 7 runs in and could of done more but the second time i got 2 runs in all afternoon :sad:
Best time to go is on a peak perfomance day which is when people are mainly testing different setups on their drag/road cars.
They are usually pretty quiet and you could easily get 10-15 runs done in a day.
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Phil Mcavity on December 12, 2008, 05:50:26 pm
Phyllis have a warm up or two beforehand to make the tyres warmer and stickier and ensure the car's at maximum operability.

And if there's a tailwind, we can stick up a sail! :signLOL:

Im having a milltek fitted CONFIRMED!!!!. i  can have it fitted anytime after next week, deposit paid!!, so i think it'll be closer now then the GTi boys think  :wink:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: stealthwolf on December 12, 2008, 06:50:45 pm
Im having a milltek fitted CONFIRMED!!!!. i  can have it fitted anytime after next week, deposit paid!!, so i think it'll be closer now then the GTi boys think  :wink:

Shhhhhhh!!!!! You don't want them to think you have a chance of winning and then *boom* you're across the finish line before joesgti even hits 30mph!
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Phil Mcavity on December 12, 2008, 06:54:43 pm
lol, i will be a nervous reck on the start line, and i expect joe will be aswell!!. Thankfully i cant stall mine :embarrassed:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: MAT ED30 on December 12, 2008, 06:56:36 pm
lol, i will be a nervous reck on the start line, and i expect joe will be aswell!!. Thankfully i cant stall mine :embarrassed:

you can  :wink:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: stealthwolf on December 12, 2008, 07:19:26 pm
lol, i will be a nervous reck on the start line, and i expect joe will be aswell!!. Thankfully i cant stall mine :embarrassed:

If you want, could meet up for practice runs  :signLOL:

I practise on slipways by flooring it (making sure there's no one around of course!). :driver: :driver: :driver: :driver: :driver: :driver: :driver: :driver: :driver: :driver:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Phil Mcavity on December 12, 2008, 08:04:11 pm
lol, i will be a nervous reck on the start line, and i expect joe will be aswell!!. Thankfully i cant stall mine :embarrassed:

If you want, could meet up for practice runs  :signLOL:

I practise on slipways by flooring it (making sure there's no one around of course!). :driver: :driver: :driver: :driver: :driver: :driver: :driver: :driver: :driver: :driver:

arh training, what a good idea :wink:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Greeners on December 12, 2008, 09:09:22 pm
What milly you had Steve? Cat back or turbo?   :xmassmiley:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Phil Mcavity on December 12, 2008, 09:24:23 pm
catback non res.  :smiley:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on December 12, 2008, 09:46:54 pm
About time Steve..  :happy2: Though I can't see it making a huge difference power wise mate..  :confused:. TBE then yeah..
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: stealthwolf on December 12, 2008, 09:51:56 pm
Guys, help a newbie out: Diff between catback and turboback?
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Phil Mcavity on December 12, 2008, 09:52:38 pm
The only improvement i'll think ill notice is the noise and a slight torque improvent. Not much like you say, but the car will look better with the milly on rather then the stock zorst. (looks to me mean more the (POWWWERRRRRRR) in clarksons tone of voice :smiley:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Phil Mcavity on December 12, 2008, 09:56:57 pm
Turbo backwards exhaust (£1000 approx) will see improvements to horsepower as thats bolted from the turbo. see horsepwer gains from this.

Catalitic converter back (or catback) is at the bottom of the Stock factory downpipe, around where the centre consol is in the front, in my case one of the silencers removed to get it the slightly harsher exhaust note and releaves some back pressure in the exhaust giving the engine less grief to chuck out the exhaust gases out da back of the car......... or something like that
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: djk112 on December 13, 2008, 07:53:43 pm
I've voted for Joe! The extra power should see him through  :evilgrin:

Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Phil Mcavity on December 13, 2008, 08:33:25 pm
I've voted for Joe! The extra power should see him through  :evilgrin:

too close to call it. 10bhp approx between the 2 cars, torque figure on joes is higher off the mark but drops off more at higher revs then the ed30 . Smaller turbo V larger turbo....... Manual V dsg....................  so many +'s to -'s. Canny call it  :confused:

Looking foward to my jkm visit coming up.

Joe any updates on your visit to awesome?? u said yours was going on the rollers??? any news?
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: djk112 on December 15, 2008, 08:17:45 pm
One thing for sure VW will be the winner  :wink:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: neg on December 18, 2008, 09:23:10 am
This does sound interesteding (and fun of course).  Quite a decision but I think Joe might just take it with the extra torque and (slightly) quicker spool up (having driven remapped K03- standard K04 back to back). The DSG will no doubt give Phil an advantage but that all comes down to his take-off.

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Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: illyun on December 18, 2008, 05:49:08 pm
Backing DSG on this one, especially if he gets his Christmas wish granted :wink:

Yup, DSG and the Miltek will swing it Phils way - only just though. 
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on December 18, 2008, 06:22:28 pm
Backing DSG on this one, especially if he gets his Christmas wish granted :wink:

Yup, DSG and the Miltek will swing it Phils way - only just though. 
Will the Milltek actually make any difference at all? Even a turbo back will only give about 10bhp and that won't be massively noticeable..
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Phil Mcavity on December 18, 2008, 09:16:04 pm
its the torque that i will gain Ben, it wont on the horsepower. Thats why joes "higher Hp" wont be much of a gain, its the torque that i need to increase to help my launch.
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: stealthwolf on December 18, 2008, 09:46:19 pm
its the torque that i need to increase to help my launch.
Some of us forumites can help push-launch your car at the starting line!
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Phil Mcavity on December 18, 2008, 09:48:36 pm
 :signLOL:

i dont need a push, i have PhyLis POWER!!!  :laugh:.   ......... god help me, im gonna need it!
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: joesgti on December 19, 2008, 09:19:40 am
i dont think il have the gti then phil...........  :drool:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: neg on December 19, 2008, 09:30:34 am
tell us more joe....
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: joesgti on December 19, 2008, 04:20:40 pm
@ gaz  :P :P  :laugh:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: gazbutS3 on December 19, 2008, 06:18:09 pm
@Joe

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Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Phil Mcavity on December 19, 2008, 06:19:58 pm
If its an R32 manual joe......... ive got it in the bag :wink:.  :happy2:

Congrats if your getting one.......................we need some pics of your posible aquasition  :smiley:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on December 19, 2008, 10:44:22 pm
If its an R32 manual joe......... ive got it in the bag :wink:.  :happy2:

Congrats if your getting one.......................we need some pics of your posible aquasition  :smiley:

I wouldn't be to confident Phil..  Although I would expect a ED30 DSG to have an edge on a R32 when rolling, the 1/4 mile isn't a massively long race remember and with the bonus of 4wd off the line, if you go up against a well driven one you may struggle to catch it by the finish line..  :scared: Would be close..  :drinking:
Standard Mk5 R32 mid 14's
Standard-ish ED30 DSG Mid (or if driven bang on, possibly low) 14's
It'll be down to the pilot IMO, simple as really.. :happy2: Either way, we'll cheer you on..  :grin:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: gazbutS3 on December 19, 2008, 10:49:02 pm
so ben what is the secret mod, dsg remap?
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: MAT ED30 on December 19, 2008, 10:50:37 pm
i think joe might turn up in a skyline r32 and nail all of us  :laugh:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Hurdy on December 19, 2008, 11:32:46 pm
i think joe might turn up in a skyline r32 and nail all of us  :laugh:

You'd think so, but I recently went on an RR day with an R32 owner who got 312bhp and 270lbft when mine did 333bhp and 335lbft. Plus his weighed in at nearly 1600kg to my 1360kg :wink:

Now a fully tuned 600bhp V-spec would be nice :drool:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: MAT ED30 on December 19, 2008, 11:37:15 pm
what i should have said was a heavily modded skyline  :laugh:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: RedRobin on December 20, 2008, 10:47:42 pm
....

I reckon it's what happens at the start which is a big factor in the final result. I'm backing Phyllis but I think it will be very close.

Have we got a list of attendees yet or is it too soon? Or have I been too lazy in not reading the whole thread yet?
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Top Cat on December 20, 2008, 10:57:29 pm
....

I reckon it's what happens at the start which is a big factor in the final result. I'm backing Phyllis but I think it will be very close.

Have we got a list of attendees yet or is it too soon? Or have I been too lazy in not reading the whole thread yet?

I put your name on the list a couple of days ago Red i posted up asking are going to attend and Phil answered for you. As usual you were to busy posting in Vag Babes, i Think you about number 30 on the list.  :happy2:
There is fashionably late and then there is you.  :signLOL:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: RedRobin on December 21, 2008, 05:36:01 pm
^^^^

Thanks TC and Phil :happy2: 8) :happy2:

Apart from hunting for VAG Babes, I've also been creating this to help promote the event and because I like to keep my hand in, having now retired from doing graphic design : -

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I've designed it so that text can be easily changed - Votes for any other 'Stigs' 'Stags' having a quarter-mile dash?


Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Phil Mcavity on December 21, 2008, 05:41:27 pm
Officer sounds better the Inspector Robin  :wink:. Thats what i known as on the other side  :wink:   :happy2:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: RedRobin on December 21, 2008, 05:56:38 pm
Officer sounds better the Inspector Robin  :wink:. Thats what i known as on the other side  :wink:   :happy2:

....Then I'll revise it to "OFFICER DIBBLE", or is it "DRIBBLE" - Please confirm.

Also, do you prefer to be referred to as "STEVE" or "PHIL" on this 'poster'?

Let me know please :happy2:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Top Cat on December 21, 2008, 06:10:01 pm
Officer sounds better the Inspector Robin  :wink:. Thats what i known as on the other side  :wink:   :happy2:

....Then I'll revise it to "OFFICER DIBBLE", or is it "DRIBBLE" - Please confirm.

Also, do you prefer to be referred to as "STEVE" or "PHIL" on this 'poster'?

Let me know please :happy2:

I can confirm he is known as officer dribble.  :xmaslaugh:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Phil Mcavity on December 21, 2008, 06:12:29 pm
Officer sounds better the Inspector Robin  :wink:. Thats what i known as on the other side  :wink:   :happy2:

....Then I'll revise it to "OFFICER DIBBLE", or is it "DRIBBLE" - Please confirm.

Also, do you prefer to be referred to as "STEVE" or "PHIL" on this 'poster'?

Let me know please :happy2:

Lol , everyone Refers me as Phil rather then steve, as there as soon many Steve's here and i dont wanna tread on the Guv's toes :wink:. And is Dibble and not Dribble as Topcat refer's me by  :smiley:.

Good poster by the way..... see you tuesday, god time is going so slow, hurry up tuesday!!
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Phil Mcavity on December 21, 2008, 06:13:26 pm
Officer sounds better the Inspector Robin  :wink:. Thats what i known as on the other side  :wink:   :happy2:

....Then I'll revise it to "OFFICER DIBBLE", or is it "DRIBBLE" - Please confirm.

Also, do you prefer to be referred to as "STEVE" or "PHIL" on this 'poster'?

Let me know please :happy2:

I can confirm he is known as officer dribble.  :xmaslaugh:

Hush now Tc  :signIWS: :xmaslaugh:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: RedRobin on December 21, 2008, 06:34:36 pm
^^^^

OK - Then it's confirmed as "O F F I C E R   D R I B B L E" and "P H I L" - I'll get onto it straightaway :evilgrin:

[TeeHee :evilgrin:]

Glad you like it, Phil :happy2:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
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....Now should we award the winner or the loser some of these!? :evilgrin:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: tonyh on December 21, 2008, 09:24:42 pm


....Now should we award the winner or the loser some of these!? :evilgrin:

 :jumping:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Top Cat on December 21, 2008, 09:31:14 pm


....Now should we award the winner or the loser some of these!? :evilgrin:

 :jumping:

 :signLOL:  thats not fair officer dibble already has a pair of them in leather.  :laugh:  I'll get my coat.

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Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: RedRobin on December 21, 2008, 09:58:31 pm
:signLOL:  thats not fair officer dibble already has a pair of them in leather.  :laugh:  I'll get my coat.

....Suddenly I'm feeling so relieved that I won't be alone when I see him on Tuesday!
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Top Cat on January 31, 2009, 04:42:43 pm
Thought i would bump this thread back up for final voting before the big day...

A couple more votes could swing it.  :party: :party: :party:  (https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ftomashandmilly%2FDaft_stuff%2F01.gif&hash=508f53f18722dfe473aaebfa49c0ffde3a814a67)
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: RedRobin on February 01, 2009, 06:52:14 pm
....

So, who won? [I left before it was all done]
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: WhiteGTI on February 01, 2009, 06:53:27 pm
^^^

Unfortunately the snow stopped the racing, just as Steve and Joe were at the front ready to line up on the start line!!!
 :sad: :sad: :sad:

Would have been very close I think!

Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: RobMKV on February 01, 2009, 06:54:20 pm
I think Joe and Phil were just ready to go up when the snow came up, i think Joe got a 14.6 maybe better,
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Phil Mcavity on February 01, 2009, 07:31:50 pm
yes joe clocked a 14.6 best, and i done 2 14.7's, and likes been said, we were sat on the start line when the Marshalls closed the dam track!!!!, yes would of been too close to call. Joe's seemed to be the fastest of the GTi's on the forum, most others were struggling to get sub 15's. I think a day in the spring and track temps been better , would say that 3 tenths from everyones times would be a good guess!.

anyone for a return visit in the spring??  :signLOL:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: joesgti on February 03, 2009, 04:27:35 pm
yea, 14.6 i ran, was a wicked day, shame we had to back of the line  :sad: will defo be up for another do in the sunmmer  :jumping: (then i can kick ur ass fair and square  :P :grin: only jokin)  :smiley:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Phil Mcavity on February 03, 2009, 05:42:04 pm
yes spring would be good, then i can fully use launch control instead of 1800rpm!. Have you got any slips Joe with your break down on time sectors for the quarter mile?

This battle isnt resolved just yet  :happy2:, and good to meet you in person joe  :wink:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: joesgti on February 03, 2009, 05:44:58 pm
i was only launching at 2k, esp off, handbreak on  :driver:

spring sounds good,  :smiley:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: RedRobin on February 03, 2009, 05:47:06 pm
....

The battle isn't resolved, but Joe with his slightly faster time now has an edge :evilgrin:

The big question is whether Joe further mods his car before the next round.
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: joesgti on February 03, 2009, 06:15:56 pm
....

The battle isn't resolved, but Joe with his slightly faster time now has an edge :evilgrin:

The big question is whether Joe further mods his car before the next round.

just got tbe off luca  :laugh:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Phil Mcavity on February 03, 2009, 07:36:14 pm
So by removing his spare wheel and rear crash gurder behind the bumper saving weight :scared: , and now full tbe,i have no chance so it wont be no longer even battle  :sad:


But i STILL will be victorious :wink: :signLOL: Average up all of joes times, he did lots slower runs, and i  ran better on average.

lol, just kidin :wink:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Hurdy on February 03, 2009, 07:38:09 pm
So by removing his spare wheel and rear crash gurder behind the bumper saving weight :scared: , and now full tbe,i have no chance so it wont be no longer even battle  :sad:

You could always have the 5 hour Revo trial fitted before your trip up :happy2:

Don't tell anyone though  :innocent:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Phil Mcavity on February 03, 2009, 07:40:16 pm
 :evilgrin:............ now theres a thought :smiley:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: joesgti on February 03, 2009, 07:48:02 pm
So by removing his spare wheel and rear crash gurder behind the bumper saving weight :scared: , and now full tbe,i have no chance so it wont be no longer even battle  :sad:


But i STILL will be victorious :wink: :signLOL: Average up all of joes times, he did lots slower runs, and i  ran better on average.

lol, just kidin :wink:

i ran 14.8 against ben (first run EVER)
then 14.7 against gti_james  stage + ed30 :P
then 14.7 again
then 14.6



so only 1 slower than you  :P
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: Phil Mcavity on February 03, 2009, 07:53:46 pm
well all that thought it would be close were right. We both performed better then some remapped monsters and your cheaper Remap done well aswell :wink:

Hope you get to singapore eventually mate :wink:. i hear french women dont shave  :surprised: :scared:
Title: Re: The meeting of two stags.
Post by: joesgti on February 03, 2009, 08:03:20 pm
well there are a few very tasty frenchies around!! the girl on reception of the priorty lounge is fecking stunning, she started speaking to me in french so i said im english and dont speak french, she then offered to teach me  :rolleye:

yea, re-map is from celtictuning if anybody is interested, they state 265bhp from std gti  :grin: we all know thats bullsh!t but the car is strong right through the rev range so im chuffed, it cost 300 quid but it was on offer so not sure if its still that.  :smiley: