MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Performance Modifications => Modifications & Technical Area => Revo Zone => Topic started by: MAT ED30 on December 04, 2008, 03:45:22 pm
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check this out
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2180975#post2180975
they are making good figures :driver:
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Very impressive stuff!! I wonder who is gonna be to get the Stage 2+ on here. It is very tempting! :happy2:
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Very impressive stuff!! I wonder who is gonna be to get the Stage 2+ on here. It is very tempting! :happy2:
early next year for me :happy2:
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You gonna get the Autotech HPFP installed first? :happy2: I imagine if you do yours will be pushing those figures :laugh:
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You gonna get the Autotech HPFP installed first? :happy2: I imagine if you do yours will be pushing those figures :laugh:
yes fella that first
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i looked into the HPFP but decided against it, cant remember why thow :confused: whats the price for future reference? :smiley:
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i looked into the HPFP but decided against it, cant remember why thow :confused: whats the price for future reference? :smiley:
i think its £300 fitted at jbs
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I'll be doing it in the new year :happy2: APR pump for me though :smiley:
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ye me too! ;) :grin:
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Posted on that thread. I can't see a k04 making 360bhp personally, unless it had race cams fitted on top of the bolt on mods.
Some of the figures look a bit off as well. 360bhp off 272whp - I don't car if they say it is how the power is calculated. WHP is taken from the dyno and then calculated up to BHP at the fly surely?
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Posted on that thread. I can't see a k04 making 360bhp personally, unless it had race cams fitted on top of the bolt on mods.
Some of the figures look a bit off as well. 360bhp off 272whp - I don't car if they say it is how the power is calculated. WHP is taken from the dyno and then calculated up to BHP at the fly surely?
To be fair John, there is a S3 making that power on ASN and a another Cupra I know of making 350+, so I don't think it would be a million miles off.. If things don't go tits up next year (feb time) I myself may invest 300 sovs @ JBS and then nip to see Corey to spend a further £50 on some extra software... :evilgrin:
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Be prepared to do regular checking on the state of your HPFP cam follower if you install an uprated pump as it could get very expensive if you don't.
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In fact I am due to check mine very soon!
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MAHA rollers do seem to calculate strange figures.Couple of weeks ago went to RR day at Powerstation at Tewksbury.
356BHP and 258 at the wheels, feel that is to much loss for a 2 wheel drive.
The WHP is the same as figures obtained at JKM (engine HP was 309) which i feel is a more believable power loss.
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Posted on that thread. I can't see a k04 making 360bhp personally, unless it had race cams fitted on top of the bolt on mods.
Some of the figures look a bit off as well. 360bhp off 272whp - I don't car if they say it is how the power is calculated. WHP is taken from the dyno and then calculated up to BHP at the fly surely?
To be fair John, there is a S3 making that power on ASN and a another Cupra I know of making 350+, so I don't think it would be a million miles off.. If things don't go tits up next year (feb time) I myself may invest 300 sovs @ JBS and then nip to see Corey to spend a further £50 on some extra software... :evilgrin:
Yes, but you see these figures are still open to debate too. The JBS map I have is relatively agressive with a 1.6 bar peak and 1.55 bar to 6k+revs and still only makes around 330bhp. Apart from moving to a DBilas there is little else that I can do with bolt on mods and even JBS say that 350bhp is about the limit (and they aren't known for being conservative :innocent:)
We are back to the willy waving scenario and the "which dyno is accurate" syndrome again :grin: :signLOL:
Even if you go up the strip there is no definitive way to determine whether one car is more powerful than another at the limits of the K04 as this too is down to minute variations like launch, gear change revs, tyres, suspension setup etc
I personally enjoy the RR days for the meet and greet rather than the absolute figures (although they are fun!) and I'm just happy if my car seems to be running right with a stable curve :wink:
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Im holding back from getting coilovers and stage 2+ until i know im going to keep the car for a while. Its very tempting though :evilgrin:
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I've posted in the thread on ASN with my usual distaste for REVO claimed figures, which funnily enough was agreed with by Carl from REVO. If you get a chance have a look at the REVO product press release for the K04 software, it'll make you chuckle and quantify everything. :grin:
As you say it's the great dyno lottery and a dyno can be made to give, within reason, whatever figures you want it to.
There is a second dyno print on ASN for about 340hp which is much more believable.
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I've posted in the thread on ASN with my usual distaste for REVO claimed figures, which funnily enough was agreed with by Carl from REVO. If you get a chance have a look at the REVO product press release for the K04 software, it'll make you chuckle and quantify everything. :grin:
As you say it's the great dyno lottery and a dyno can be made to give, within reason, whatever figures you want it to.
There is a second dyno print on ASN for about 340hp which is much more believable.
Doesn't help that these cars are all done on different dynos either to be fair.. :confused: But anything around the 340bhp mark with Revo Stage 2+ would be more than enough IMO. The bloody thing is quick enough as it is.. :grin:
Stu, how are the mods on the S3 coming on? What's been done to it so far?
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You do need to remember there are differences between the S3 lump and the ED30/Cupra lump, not just intercooler but cylinder head, compression ratios etc so there are always going to be variations when modded :smiley:
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You do need to remember there are differences between the S3 lump and the ED30/Cupra lump, not just intercooler but cylinder head, compression ratios etc so there are always going to be variations when modded :smiley:
Agreed :happy2:
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Cylinder head change anyone LOL
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Stu, how are the mods on the S3 coming on? What's been done to it so far?
All very quiet this end to be honest mate, bought some new software as soon as I got it but that's about it. Slotted in one of those nice little RNS-E units to tidy up the dashboard.
I've got to get round to painting the disk hubs as they are rusting nicely but it's been too cold for hammerite lately.
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And yes, before you all say so..i should have gone for the Select Plus, but I foolishly didn't!
But anyway....
Put it back to 'standard' as the car is in for a service with the dealer tomorrow...and.....
My God!!!!!!! It feels absolutely dead! Its like I'm driving a car with a 1.0 engine!! Can't believe that the car was ever that slowwwwwwwwwww :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Can't wait to be able to load the Stage 2 back on! Lets hope that the dealer doesn't do a ECU update! The thing is, i don't really want to tell them to not put any update on, because I don't really want get into discussions concerning the fact that I have mapped it! If they find out, then thats cool, but if they don't I'd rather keep it that way!
Anyone else on here put their car back to standard mode? Really puts the map into perspective doesn't it! :grin: :grin: :grin:
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yeh i put mine into standard for its first service a few weeks back and it was horrible, i had to put the map back on whilst sat in VW car park before going home LOL
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yeh i put mine into standard for its first service a few weeks back and it was horrible, i had to put the map back on whilst sat in VW car park before going home LOL
Hahaha!! I was just thinking that I will do exactly the same! As little driving as possible on the standard map :grin: :grin:
No offence meant to those who have yet to map their cars :chicken:
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40bhp isnt that much difference!!, ok it hardly makes the car horrible :sick:
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i wondered when you would come phil
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mines APRd stage 1, ive not got anyway to do std, it went for its 1st serv last month AOK, it had an update whilst in, but the lad doing service came through to ask if its mapped, as he didnt want do delete owt, nice of him.
i think the 30-40 is noticeable its that rush of boost/get up and go, (need more) :driver:
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40bhp isnt that much difference!!, ok it hardly makes the car horrible :sick:
Drive it back-to-back and you will say the same as me!
Although 45hp isnt too much relative to what can be achieved, it feels massively different. Another reason for it is that the Revo settings that I have mean that the boost comes in very early and all at once - therefore making the car feel very urgent!! At the moment, its like the car has no pick up at all!
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ok
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lol, he thinks we say stuff like this just to wind him up :grin:
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:signLOL: :signLOL: Funny stuff :grin:
I'd tell them it was mapped if I were you Chris. Worst comes to worse you can always go to another dealer should you have a re-map related fault, and lets be honest the chances of that are slim :happy2:
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lol, he thinks we say stuff like this just to wind him up :grin:
or is the other way round shaun :wink: :signIWS:
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Erm nope, I have a remap :-)
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I switch my Revo to Stock everytime my car is fully serviced by VW dealer (every 10k miles). I discussed my mapping intentions before I actually remapped and they are cool about it. It's no problem anyway now because I introduced a friend at my dealer's to Revo and now he is an appointed Revo agent at my dealer. So, any mapping problems can be sorted there and then and anything more involved will be looked after either by JKM using the dyno or Revo themselves.
The car does feel very 'flat' in Stock map but only by direct comparison. It's most noticeable for overtaking - The choices are reduced.
I wouldn't dream of fiddling around with any settings myself - I'd rather leave it to the expert specialists.
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Who do you use for servicing Robin?
Mine is due a service and I'd rather use someone I can trust (and can maintain the "fVWsh" approach).
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Who do you use for servicing Robin?
Mine is due a service and I'd rather use someone I can trust (and can maintain the "fVWsh" approach).
....VW Loders of Dorchester 01305 267 881 - Ask for Dan and mention my name (Robin with red Mk5 GTI) and he'll look after you. I don't know if Dorchester is convenient enough for you though.
HTH :happy2:
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Erm nope, I have a remap :-)
No i ment by me replying the way i did........................never mind :sleepy:
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Reckon now and again its a good idea to switch the car back to stock once the remap has started to feel 'slow' that way its like christmas all over again :laugh:
(only issue is that the adaptations are lost I guess)
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Erm nope, I have a remap :-)
No i ment by me replying the way i did........................never mind :sleepy:
i know what you meant :laugh: :signLOL: , let face it you said the same about the edition 30 till you got one :innocent:
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true :wink:
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With pipes like those you are now flaunting, Phil, how long do you think Phyllis will remain 'unmolested'? :evilgrin:
[just teasing you, mate] :happy2:
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Reckon now and again its a good idea to switch the car back to stock once the remap has started to feel 'slow' that way its like christmas all over again :laugh:
(only issue is that the adaptations are lost I guess)
....It only takes about 100 miles to 'relearn' your driving style and it's probably a good thing to give the ECU a refresher course after mods, and your driving style may change/develop too.
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Got the car all back safe and sound! No software update done - apparently they always call their customers before an update is done, incase the ECU has been modified! Thought that was a nice touch by them.
I make it very clear that they should not wash the car. It was even printed on the job card. So what do they do................? Correct...they wash the car! :jumping: :jumping: :jumping: :jumping: :jumping: :jumping: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Anyway...loaded back the Revo through the Select Switch, and I'm not joking...its much faster than it was! I got a full 10mph faster up a road near my house than I can normally acheive. (yes yes I know this is very unscientific, however I drive this road every day, and each day I get within 1-2mph every time) But today, a full 10mph faster! Braking at the same point too (there is a nicely positioned sign that I use as my marker).
I assume that as the dealership is only about 9 miles from my house, that the ECU is still going through its adaptation period (as discussed in the above posts), so therefore it may still be a little 'confused' at the moment lol! Or, Revo loaded a higher boost setting than I asked!!!!
Either way...a trouble/damage free service, by a decent dealer, so it was a good day!
Dealer: Windrush, Maidenhead! :happy2:
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P.S. They have put Mobil 1 oil in it. (5W30, and has the little 'VW 501/507' markings on the back. I asked them to continue putting in the longlife oil - as per instructions from T_T.
But, is that Mobil 1 stuff any good? I normally use Castrol Edge..
Thankies! :smiley: :smiley:
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Hmm, not sure about Mobil 1 in the Gti ?
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Good news then Chris :happy2:
Just a shame they had to wash it after you'd asked them not too :mad:
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Yes, but you see these figures are still open to debate too. The JBS map I have is relatively agressive with a 1.6 bar peak and 1.55 bar to 6k+revs and still only makes around 330bhp. Apart from moving to a DBilas there is little else that I can do with bolt on mods and even JBS say that 350bhp is about the limit (and they aren't known for being conservative :innocent:)
If you change to Dbilas, you will notice a fair old difference mate. I cant give a definitive value on the figure, but I would be willing to bet that there is as much gain to be had by ditching the engine cover as there is with ditching the OEM exhaust.
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I wish people would just quote WHP figures. Even if lots of dynos give different BHP readings, most dynos would be close on the WHP figure.
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Well if it is any help, I know of a MK2 Leon Cupra that saw the following jump in figures from stock to Revo Stage 2+
Stock = 257bhp @ fly and 230bhp @ wheels
Stock + TBE Milltek and Carbonio = 267bhp @ fly and 241bhp @ wheels
Revo Stage 1 (Boost 6, Timing 6 Fuel 9) + TBE Milltek and Carbonio = 321bhp @ fly and 291bhp @ wheels
Revo Stage 2 (Boost 8, Timing 6 and Fuel 8) + TBE Milltek, Dblias, KMD Fuel Pump, S3 Intercooler = 351bhp @ fly and 319bhp @ wheels.
Said car has had Revo Stage 2+ since its incarnation, but has not yet been checked with current Revo Stage 2+ settings of Boost 9, Timing 6 and Fuel 9.
Hope that helps.
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Be prepared to do regular checking on the state of your HPFP cam follower if you install an uprated pump as it could get very expensive if you don't.
Save the heartache! Keep an eye on these! I believe a revised one is available with a 'tougher coating?'You do need to remember there are differences between the S3 lump and the ED30/Cupra lump, not just intercooler but cylinder head, compression ratios etc so there are always going to be variations when modded :smiley:
Agreed :happy2:
I thought the KO4 bottom ends were stronger (as in S3) than the 200bhp leons/golfs?
Well if it is any help, I know of a MK2 Leon Cupra that saw the following jump in figures from stock to Revo Stage 2+
Stock = 257bhp @ fly and 230bhp @ wheels
Stock + TBE Milltek and Carbonio = 267bhp @ fly and 241bhp @ wheels
Revo Stage 1 (Boost 6, Timing 6 Fuel 9) + TBE Milltek and Carbonio = 321bhp @ fly and 291bhp @ wheels
Revo Stage 2 (Boost 8, Timing 6 and Fuel 8) + TBE Milltek, Dblias, KMD Fuel Pump, S3 Intercooler = 351bhp @ fly and 319bhp @ wheels.
Said car has had Revo Stage 2+ since its incarnation, but has not yet been checked with current Revo Stage 2+ settings of Boost 9, Timing 6 and Fuel 9.
Hope that helps.
I am having apr software 2+ because it isnt costing any extra than price of fuel pump as Im spending a fortune, but I reckon Im going to go for Revo 2+ to see for myself.
@ hurdy are you still on oem clutch mate? How's it holding up, was it slipping a little on way to leeds?
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This is the start of a new thread
I know a few of you have gone stg2 with Revo, I wasn't going to bother and go straight to stg2+ but I can't afford a clutch at the minute so thinkin of tryin the stg2, what are the differences, does it just move the powre further up the rev range as I like the lower end grunt, or is it more every where?
I'm asking you lot because your a bit more adventurous the some of the S3 lads at the minute :smiley:
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I wanted to jump to stage2, but i was told i needed a turbo back, fuel pump and induction.. well i have the carbonio... still... dont really want to spend out almost 1k on a zorst atm...
when weather clears i will get the stage1 i think...
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you don't need the fuel pump and intake is not essential with stg2, stg2+ is the pump specific software where you need the pump and and intake :smiley:
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I noticed more top end shove but fifnt lose any low end or mid range punch. Also for £50 you can see what its like and if you dont like it you can go back to stage 1 :happy2:
Dave did mine at ads and im very happy with it :smiley:
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Y not get the clutch done first then see how it goes with that done and nip to Prosport and have him to stick stage 2 on infact I was chatting to him today and he said he is wanting to do more vag cars so is going to employ a few vag tech guys as he is sick of the scooby warrenty crap.
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I noticed more top end shove but fifnt lose any low end or mid range punch. Also for £50 you can see what its like and if you dont like it you can go back to stage 1 :happy2:
Dave did mine at ads and im very happy with it :smiley:
Cheers pal, I'd use ADS to get it done also, he's a bit more clued up on the set up
Y not get the clutch done first then see how it goes with that done and nip to Prosport and him to stick stage 2 on infact I was chatting to him today and he said he is wanting to do more vag cars so so going to employ a few vag tech guys as he is sick of the scooby warrenty crap.
Haven't got the cash for an uprated clutch at the minute pal, the std 1 isn't slipping and I'd like to keep it that way for as long as possible, the stg 2+ on the S3 is doin 345-360 with an intake and the std clutch don't like it :scared:
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So the only option is stick with stage 1 for now and save for the clutch and stage 2 or think fack it and get stage 2 and see how long the clutch last just don't drive it like u stole it :driver:
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So the only option is stick with stage 1 for now and save for the clutch and stage 2 or think fack it and get stage 2 and see how long the clutch last just don't drive it like u stole it :driver:
thats why I was asking how much difference the stg2 actually makes, is it really that much more than the 328bhp-346lbs/ft the clutch seems to be coping ok with now?
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But think about how much gets lost in the 4mo on the s3 it's massive so it should be ok running stage 2 but just use the gears more and be gentle in 6th
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You can preserve your clutch quite a lot by not booting it at low revs in higher gears Gaz.
Stage II is less agressive than Stage I but it pulls longer and harder at the top end.
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I do try not to pull to higher gear, the engine will produce the torque but you load the clutch. I learnt this lesson on my 8P S3.
But think about how much gets lost in the 4mo on the s3 it's massive so it should be ok running stage 2 but just use the gears more and be gentle in 6th
agreed, but not sure its as much as quoted sometimes, read a thread the other day stating it was 120bhp, I'm not havin that, it wouldn't be worth havin it, can't believe a std S3 puts 145bhp on the road, can you?
You can preserve your clutch quite a lot by not booting it at low revs in higher gears Gaz.
Stage II is less agressive than Stage I but it pulls longer and harder at the top end.
Cheers Stu, will give it a go for 50 quid I think
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Hi everyone
Is there any way to get VW software updates without wiping off Revo?
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Simple answer is no I am afraid :sad:
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REVO will replace the software free of charge however the dealer may make a small labour charge for the re installation.
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How will the Revo dealer know my car's been Revo'd if it gets wiped off?
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How will the Revo dealer know my car's been Revo'd if it gets wiped off?
If it's the same dealer then I'm sure they'll know, it'll also be logged at REVO HQ
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Ok cool, thanks :happy2:
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Your revo dealer would have sent your vin and other details to revo hq at the time you got flashed.
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That is one seriously quick machine. It is vids like this that really make me miss my ED30 :sad:
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I am sure that my local dealer (revo) when I asked them to remove my map, set it up so that I would eat fuel...
Long story but desperately needed the car unrevoed and within the 30 days guarantee wanted a refund...the dealer argued with me stating that I was not giving them a good reason to remove it....ultimately I stuck to my guns that I was not happy with the power uptake, it was too aggressive and they renaged and gave me a full refund.
Since then MPG is around 23MPG. Can I go to VW and explain and ask them to reflash the ECU? if so, anyone any idea how much it would cost?
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how long ago did this happen, if only recently then give it time as mpg is always thrown a bit when changing between stock and remap modes. reset the mpg and give it a good run to see if it improves.
if this has gone on for a week or so, then take it to your garage and they will look at it for you, but i would not mention the revo just say mpg seems to have dropped signif and you are a little concerned. :happy2:
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Its been since last November mate.....I would consider getting Revo back on but NOT through that dealer, their attitude wasnt the best,....admittedly I had a big part in their stance...however I was expecting some cooperation and was intending on returning to get it back later the next month....
If they had played ball I would have had the Forge on, the REVO and some springs and potentially upgraded brake pads....
I am out of warranty now...nothing to lose by stating exactly what happened and asking to get it reflashed.
I am at 34,000 was thinking of putting it in anyway for an early DSG service.....
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did the dealer actually reflash your car with the stock code as it's quicker for him to just switch the revo map to "revo stock".
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The twat took ages putting it back to "normal" despite telling me it would be a 5 min job at the start of my conversation, after it got ugly he grudgingly took the car and it came back to me after 20 mins! I think the settings have been messed with or something, boy I would love to be able to prove it.......probably will just take to VW for a reflash to the latest version of the ecu.
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Anyone near you with a select plus switch+ laptop as with it/them you can find out if the map is actually still on and what settings it's using.
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I'm in Glasgow don't really know of anyone local or with sps switch.
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Who is the dealer? Name and shame please :fighting:
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I will gladly name but until I can prove I have been done over I won't shame,Drivers Glasgow. I could see their pov but they were shifty with me, I saw red and decided I wanted the sw off. They actually have quite a good name locally shame we didn't see eye to eye :-) they would have had about £1500 out of me in the past 6months!!!
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I'm feeling the urge to turn up my boost a little, so as I made the foolish decision of only buying the Select switch (i dont know why), I was wondering if anyone quite local to me had a Plus, so that I could quickly put my boost up one notch! I know I've given broad counties in the topic title, but maybe someone will be close to me!
Muchos Gracias! :smiley: :smiley:
Chris.
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Can't help due to location but what settings are you presently using?
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No need for a switch now...I found a compay that were a Revo dealer that changed it for me for free!
Well, here comes the complicated part.
JKM set my revo at Boost 6, Timing 5, Fuel 8. I bought a Select switch about a month after I bought the remap, which was programmed and came direct from Revo UK with what should have been the same settings as JKM programmed.
I used the Select switch back in January when the car went in for a service.
Plugged the laptop into the car today, and the setting were Boost 7, Timing 5, Fuel 9!!!! So Revo UK must have fudged things up on the switch settings.
So, I kept the settings that were now on it and changed the Timing to 6 just to experiment really! Doesn't really feel too different to be honest!
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NO!! Fuel should be 9 on the 2.0T FSI. I had the reasons explained but can't remember exactly! (too much sex, drugs, and rock 'n roll several decades ago!)
Give Carl or Kev a call at Revo HQ, or Keith at JKM if you use them, and one of them know exactly what they're doing and I'm sure will willingly advise you.
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Hi Robin,
Keith at JKM originally set the fuel to 8, as that was where he was happy for it to be. He said that running it at 9 makes it too lean for his liking.
However, you are right in that Revo are adamant that 9 is the right setting. I simply don't know who to believe.
I haven't changed the Fuel setting since my select switch changed it. I am now currently running
Boost 7
Timing 6
Fuel 9
Considering that my last rolling road was on Boost 6, Timing 5, Fuel 8, it will be interesting to see how the figures change on March 7th! :smiley:
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Ah, then you have conflicting info and a dilemma. I'm running F9 and have much respect for both Keith and Revo HQ so I'm inclined to ask them some questions myself too.
I'm currently B6/T5/F9.
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IMO you'll see no difference in your peak hp upping your boost from 6 to 7.
You need to be careful if your run B7 and above with F8 on a car without an uprated hpfp as you are entering fuel cut territory.
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Hi Bacillus,
Thanks for your reply.
In your opinion, what timing should I run with Boost 7? I have been running it for the last two months and have had no fuel cut yet. Do you think I should have kept the timing at 5, or is 6 ok?
Many thanks,
Chris.
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IMO you'll see no difference in your peak hp upping your boost from 6 to 7.
You need to be careful if your run B7 and above with F8 on a car without an uprated hpfp as you are entering fuel cut territory.
....A question I've always forgotten to ask: Are these numeric values common to all tuner's remaps and stock ECU or only specific to Revo?
Okay, so if the peak hp doesn't increase when B7 from B6, doesn't the power delivery increase in the mid-range?
And is torque increased when B7 from B6? I actually don't want to increase my torque because I'm DSG and running about 300 ft lb / 400 Nm already.
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Hi Bacillus,
Thanks for your reply.
In your opinion, what timing should I run with Boost 7? I have been running it for the last two months and have had no fuel cut yet. Do you think I should have kept the timing at 5, or is 6 ok?
Many thanks,
Chris.
Timing @6 should be ok when using V-power or other 99RON fuel. T@5 is Revo's default for the aforementioned fuels.
Notice I say should as the only way to tell is to log the car and see what your correction factors(CFs on block 020 when using vcds). Revo would like the CF on all cylinders to be -3 or less but in practice you usually see a "rogue" cylinder with spikes of higher values. The highest value I accept as being ok on such cylinders is -5.
In your case I would really also want to log the requested and actual fuel pressure to make sure you are not getting minor fuel cuts (these may go unnoticed) if you want F@8.
Sorry to be so technical but high CFs on a car will make the power delivery sub-optimal and even lead to a final lower hp output.
hth :smiley:
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IMO you'll see no difference in your peak hp upping your boost from 6 to 7.
You need to be careful if your run B7 and above with F8 on a car without an uprated hpfp as you are entering fuel cut territory.
....A question I've always forgotten to ask: Are these numeric values common to all tuner's remaps and stock ECU or only specific to Revo?
Okay, so if the peak hp doesn't increase when B7 from B6, doesn't the power delivery increase in the mid-range?
And is torque increased when B7 from B6? I actually don't want to increase my torque because I'm DSG and running about 300 ft lb / 400 Nm already.
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RR these numbers are proprietery to revo and their switch.
Increasing the boost will shift the requested ecu boost to ramp up more quickly earlier in the rev range. In layman's term the throttle pedal becomes "more sensitive" . The actual peak boost value is not altered (for stage 2 iirc it's 22psi)
What it will not do is increase the overall boost curve as our k03s are tiny and can't be coaxed to produce a higher output safely.
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Thanks Bacillus, that gives me some food for thought. Thanks again for taking the time to reply to me :smiley: :smiley:
Chris.
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Also how come you know so much!? Do you work for a tuner / Revo? Very impressive :smiley: :smiley:
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Also how come you know so much!? Do you work for a tuner / Revo? Very impressive :smiley: :smiley:
Unfortunately no but I had to go through alot of these hurdles myself in trying to sort out stuff so alot of my 'experience' is self learned.
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Also how come you know so much!? Do you work for a tuner / Revo? Very impressive :smiley: :smiley:
....I was going to ask exactly the same question. I even wondered if it was Kev or Carl using a disguised name!
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If it aint broke then dont try and fix it is my moto!!
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The higher the number doesn't always mean more power as bacilious eludes to. The car should be 'set up' by logging with VCDS and a higher boost or timing can actually cause a loss of power. The fuel is a slightly differeent kettle of kippers, AFAIK the lower the number the richer the mixture.
RR - Fuel 9 is not a default for all TFSi, like all of these settings it depends on your setup and is often linked to having a fuel pump upgrade fitted.
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Keith at JKM originally set the fuel to 8, as that was where he was happy for it to be. He said that running it at 9 makes it too lean for his liking.
However, you are right in that Revo are adamant that 9 is the right setting. I simply don't know who to believe.
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RR - Fuel 9 is not a default for all TFSi, like all of these settings it depends on your setup and is often linked to having a fuel pump upgrade fitted.
....There may be a misunderstanding but I didn't mean F9 was a default but what Revo HQ were strongly recommending on the 2.0T FSI.
I think we should get clarification from them on Monday :happy2:
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Keith at JKM originally set the fuel to 8, as that was where he was happy for it to be. He said that running it at 9 makes it too lean for his liking.
However, you are right in that Revo are adamant that 9 is the right setting. I simply don't know who to believe.
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RR - Fuel 9 is not a default for all TFSi, like all of these settings it depends on your setup and is often linked to having a fuel pump upgrade fitted.
....There may be a misunderstanding but I didn't mean F9 was a default but what Revo HQ were strongly recommending on the 2.0T FSI.
I think we should get clarification from them on Monday :happy2:
Keith told me that he never ran the cars he tuned on Fuel 9, which immediately made me think of you Robin, because I distinctly remember you telling me that your fuel was on 9! Yes, clarification would be good I think! :smiley: :smiley:
Once again, thanks Stu and Bacillus for your input.
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Keith tuned me at Stage1 but Rev HQ tuned me at Stage2, hence F9, hence clarification needed - I'll email both Revo and JKM today and include a link to this thread.
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As I've tried to explain, F9 is probably the most common setting for TFSi however if when the software is installed or in fact when you log the car yourself you can see that you have a decent fuel pressure and that the other factors such as good air flow and good fuel as well as the CF allow then the fuel setting can be altered. It's certainly not set in stone.
This is a good read - http://www.revotechnik.com/products/pdf/SelectPlus_AdvancedUserGuide_V0707.pdf
As another example, when Keith setup my car it was on B7 - T5 - F8.
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Sorry if we me is being ffick, Stu - Ta for the info :happy2: - It eventually gets interesting at page 7, if I can make sense of it, but it gets a bit too technical for my interest - I just want to know which settings work best on my car, F8 or F9, that simple. I think Chris wants to know the same.
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I emailed Revo to get the skinny on this a few months ago and the answer I got is that you should be running F9. I won't post the whole email here, but this is what Carl from Revo HQ told me;
'The fuel setting wants to be 9 to get the most out of the vehicle due to the fuel pump being a massive limitation on your vehicle.'
To WhiteGTI,
If you are going to change your Revo settings away from the recommended settings to try and squeeze a bit more out of the car, just make sure you do a VAG-COM data log after each change so you can see exactly what the effect of the change is. If you are not doing this, I would suggest not tinkering with the settings and just leave the Revo recommended settings in place, (B6T5F9). This is very important, as you won't be able to tell the effect of the change from the 'seat of your pants', or the engine noise. From my experience the most sensitive parameter is the timing (CF), and it can be affected by changing the boost/fuel without specifically changing your timing setting. Also I would suggest that running at timing 6 is probably a little high unless you are running a very high octane fuel with additives, but again the only way to find out if your ECU is pulling timing (CF value in VAG-COM) is to do a data log run in the car. I found that I was getting more than optimum timing pull, which kills your peak power developed with T6. I've experimented extensively using a lot of different combinations of settings and checking the results in a data log and I've found the safest and best compromise settings are the recommended settings B6T5F9. Just my t'pence worth..
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Good value t'pence worth!
B6-T5-F9 as recommended by Revo is what I'm currently running. I'm curious what Keith @ JKM has to say.
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This is the end of the thread below is the start of a new one.
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I saw on seats forum, that AMDessex are offering free RR with the REVO offer, (before and after).
sounds like a great deal.
I have emailed them for more info, but would anyone else be interested?
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I saw on seats forum, that AMDessex are offering free RR with the REVO offer, (before and after).
sounds like a great deal.
some of us have already been to AMDessex when they were doing free RRs before (golfgtiforum).
I have emailed them for more info, but would anyone else be interested?
What if you already have Revo? Do we still get the free RR ? :signLOL:
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maybe so, if enough of us go.
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20% off Revo atm as well. I've got it tho had it on last four cars.
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yes, the 20% is what i meant by "revo offer"
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REALLY not sure what to do about this REVO offer. I've said all along I won't do it until the extended warranty runs out, but 20% is a big "chunk" to take off the price. Might have to text my mate at VW and see what they say about the warranty and what the will / won't still cover.
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when i asked them, they said they dont really have an opinion on it. obviously some vw dealers put revo on themselves, which means HQ cant mind, and they expect it...
plus the likley hood of it going wrong.. is what.. basiclly nowt....
i may try book myself in this sat..
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when i asked them, they said they dont really have an opinion on it. obviously some vw dealers put revo on themselves, which means HQ cant mind, and they expect it...
plus the likley hood of it going wrong.. is what.. basiclly nowt....
Are you trying to convince us or yourself. :grin:
So you are saying that the dealer will basically be disappointed if we dont get it mapped. I like the sound of that. :evilgrin: just not to sure whether to believe you. :wink:
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well thats what the guy said to me,, but then, they are a bunch of cocks.. (bushy/watford dealer)
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Incase anyone is interested in doing this, i am aiming for Saturday the 7th March, Let me know so i can get back to them.
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i also enquired about it, offer runs out 7th march
basically 30quid of the standard price so £470!!
im gonna leave it for a while as still expensive for my desire
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20% off £499. so its basically £400, plus VAT which is £60, so 460, its usually 499 + vat... so ur saving like £100.
plus switchs are discounted
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well when you put it that way suppose its a saving.. isnt their any other alternatives?
i mean apr and revo have ahd issues so ive heard and read about, they cant be perfect..
just wondered if a cheaper option might just be as good maybe?
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i dont think ur gonna find better, revo rarely do deals at all.
i havent really heard of any issues with the remaps, espesh not stage 1.
i have read various things and revo seems to be the best i believe
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just rang tesco! £130 extra until end of july!!
well with the discount, it evens out
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Bluefin is still cheaper :P :grin:
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indeed, but doesnt give the best results? and doesnt its torque seem to be in a weird place in the rev range?
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quote from greenlight is £822.70, inc my remap and filter. thats with me being 24, ill be 25 at renew
i think ill do it. haha, taken long enough to decide
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Nice one Steve. Have you tried Adrian Flux? :)
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nope, but i will do.
just booked my car in (well though revo, need them to confirm) ahhhh
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About chuffing time Steve... :grin:
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:D now im getting exited, but i wont be when credit card bill comes in
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nice one Steve, youve been deciding even longer than me :grin:
Try Chris Knott insurance , they did well for me with remap (APR) where Greenlight wouldnt even quote for my postcode...
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If anyone has a DSG I would 100% recommend REVO, I tried Bluefin a couple of years back on their 7 day trial, and it was terrible really slow gear changes, I then tried the REVO and well never looked back (only to see cars disappearing in the distance!). The REVO is also very consistent the torque is spot on just keeps going rather than an all and then nothing 'fizzle'.
I could never ever drive again without it - It completely changed my driving experience for the better. buy it now if you have a DSG and spend the savings on more fuel! :driver:
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will do thanks!
do they offer trackday insurance?
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when i asked them, they said they dont really have an opinion on it. obviously some vw dealers put revo on themselves, which means HQ cant mind, and they expect it...
plus the likley hood of it going wrong.. is what.. basiclly nowt....
i may try book myself in this sat..
Spoke to my mate at VW who said "technically, it'll invalidate your warranty - but our machine won't be able to detect a remap anyway". Hmmmmm.
Also spoke to Kate at JKM who was very helpful. Just need to quickly make up my mind now.
Daz
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only issue is if vw wipe the ecu for an update...
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Not an issue either mate, as your Revo dealer should just re-apply your map back on to your car free of charge.. Happy days! :happy2:
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indeed, however, there 60miles away :D
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^^^ Plus some do add a charge for doing this now :sad:
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i made sure to ask that, said free :)
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How fun is REVO? :driver:
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Will see tomorrow when mine goes on the rollers just what stage 2 puts out :rolleye:
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How fun is REVO? :driver:
Is she on now then mate?
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nope, getting done sat :D
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nope, getting done sat :D
Book a new clutch while your there mate :wink:
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clutch?
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You might find out eventually :happy2:
Fingers crossed it wont, but dont do too many traffic light duals with your improved performance. :happy2:
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You do need to remember there are differences between the S3 lump and the ED30/Cupra lump, not just intercooler but cylinder head, compression ratios etc so there are always going to be variations when modded :smiley:
just so people know they have the same engine its all a big myth and i have seen it with my own eyes they are the same Fact :P
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:)
Feels much better pull in ever gear, feels smoother too.. also got a little bonus. when i contacted tesco insurance to say i have had it done, they said no premium increase (last week told me £130 just to august!!) BONUS!!
I also had a forge spacer put on.. sorry, but i had to try it, may well take it off later on, but its a bit of cheap fun for now... they said it may lose a couple of bhp but hard to tell.... anyways...
Made 303.1 bhp / 282.6 lb/ft
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgallery.sjssites.co.uk%2FGolf%2520GTI%2520ED30%2Frevoremap.JPG&hash=2ce5e79a2878ecd854ff86e0f713a8d9ae98f14e)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgallery.sjssites.co.uk%2FGolf%2520GTI%2520ED30%2Frevoremap2.JPG&hash=f544709861a5e7bfe59b758ac15b468c7cd76a25)
I will probably get the select plus switch too so i can turn it off if need be and change the settings if need be?
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Nice :happy2:, i reckon tesco have messed up though lol, they wouldn't insure modded (engine performance increase )cars when i tried it ?
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they must have as it cost 130 a week before.... but they dont seem to care about mods which dont increase engine performance
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Worth a RR visit at JKM? Quite a few others have been surprised by the difference in results.
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well im happy it made over 300, so anything more..great.. but i dont need to prove it.
the dyno test i had came back saying about the same so..
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303bhp and feels much smoother delivery
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should i buy the select plus, its only £113 with vat at the moment, can i use the extra "tuning" settings without other mods? within reason obviously. i dont know what the dealer has set..
worth it?
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^^ 303bhp = fun, top man :happy2:
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need moreeeeeeeeee..... :driver:
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I bought the select when it was on this offer because i thought that i would have no need to change the settings, but i honestly regret not getting the plus because there have been many occasions where i would have liked to have experimented with the settings, or changed them for particular driving conditions! 100% go for a plus.
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Yes the select plus for that price is worth it even if you don't end up tinkering.
For best results when tinkering, have vcds available for real time logging.
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Hmm, somethings not right with your insurer/the person you spoke to as they increase your premium in increments depending on what percentage hp increase is made vs stock.
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How do you find the spacer Steve? I've contemplated this myself...
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depends on the dyno you use Steve!, just ask Cocopops, his rolled 320 odd at superchips and today at Portsmouth jkm's today 288.9bhp.
Tis a lottery so it seems, but glad your liking it now, just go easy with her, and love your clutch like your wife :wink:
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i think the dynodynamics rollers are spot on and superchips must be messing with the rollers or they are giving duff read outs :confused:
i used them as a diagnostic tool as mine was running wrong and would only make 265bhp and the second we got the boost prob sorted it made
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fd122%2Fmat138l%2Fdynodynamicsrrresults050309008edit.jpg&hash=487a24a4f7bad330038397d236d89069a5cb99c8)
and it should be doing abit more now its had time to settle in :wink:
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which i dont have :(
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Yes, Tesco got it wrong, no question, like i said, a week ago it was £130 for 5months!! but hay im not complaaining!!!!
i think the spacer is great (at the moment) on the way home there was a TVR in the middle lane in front, i floored it in 6th and as soon as i came level with him, lifted and he obviously heard the Psss as he then floored it past me ... lol
(ps this was not over 70mph for any coppers reading!! lol!)
it makes a nice sound so gets my vote for awhile
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which i dont have :(
I'm sure that if you go to a meet someone would be willing to log your car for a beer or two.
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if you are going tomorrow i will set it to boost 9 if you want :driver:
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whats going on tomorrow?
boost9 is that safe? lol
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http://www.ultimate-dubs.co.uk/
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ah, shame, bit far for me tomorrow..
Distance: 132.25 miles, about 2 hours 27 mins
still in two mines about the switch.. what are the standard settings?
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ah, shame, bit far for me tomorrow..
Distance: 132.25 miles, about 2 hours 27 mins
still in two mines about the switch.. what are the standard settings?
you should have been given a printout with your settings on :confused: its about 2 hours for me :signLOL: to dub show
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nope didnt, didnt know everyone did???
ah too far, cant b arsed.. :D
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For 98 octane the default setting is B6 T5 F9.
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I'm not saying don't get a SelectPlus but I wouldn't "experiment" with the settings without being absolutely sure what you are doing. Every individual car is different and it also depends which other performance mods you have.
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Read the manual and just be careful not to go too silly - especially with the timing in hotter weather.
The levels you can adjust to are all with the cars limits as long as you know what you are doing.
Plus definately worth it
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if i dont have vag com then how do i know i can change the settings safely. how do i know what i should put them too.. i guess i can only get advice from you/others that have done it
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^^^ Every car is different and will react differently to the settings, so I would not recommend possibly copying another members settings. Although, sure similar principles will apply, so you can take their advice.
I would seek the advice of your tuner. If you feel the need to change the settings, then have a word with them. They should have datalogged your car in the first place to set it up with the correct settings, so they should have an idea regarding what a change would do to the car.
But as people have said, ideally you would want VCDS whenever you want to make a change.
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Others can give you an idea of what is 'best' but if you then wanted to play further than this you have to take other things into consideration - mods/ambient temp/weather etc and VCDS comes into play.
I think the default settings were 549 or 449, and the 98RON default was 659 ( I think). From experience most cars running 98/99RON are ok running upto timing 6, occasionally 7 (but loggin advised just to check, or dont run it for long). Boost you can generally run what you like but they do work better altered together in most cases.
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if i dont have vag com then how do i know i can change the settings safely. how do i know what i should put them too.. i guess i can only get advice from you/others that have done it
....Do you really think it's wise to adjust your settings because of what some guy on an internet car forum advised or suggested?
For example, a F9 setting might be better for one car but not for another. It's a complicated balance best left to experts like Revo themselves or their better agents unless you're a pro tuner yourself like Nick of R-Tech.
There are likely to be long term effects if you get it wrong. You don't want to run long term with fuelling too rich or too lean for example. The ECU may protect to some degree but it all has knock-on effects.
The switch is merely a convenience. For example, after a session on JKM's dyno and their study of data later, they might phone to advise me to change a setting without me needing to drive 2 hrs to visit.
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Boost you can generally run what you like but they do work better altered together in most cases.
....Have you sorted out your turbo problem yet, neg?
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^^^ Every car is different and will react differently to the settings, so I would not recommend possibly copying another members settings. Although, sure similar principles will apply, so you can take their advice.
I would seek the advice of your tuner. If you feel the need to change the settings, then have a word with them. They should have datalogged your car in the first place to set it up with the correct settings, so they should have an idea regarding what a change would do to the car.
.... x 2 - Exactly!
Certainly listen to what others have to say but don't rely on their settings - Consult your tuner.
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When running a modded car VCDS should be on the purchase list anyway.
The Select Plus is a bargain at that price.
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When running a modded car VCDS should be on the purchase list anyway.
....Pointless unless you know what you are doing - You do, I'm led to believe - I don't.
Quite a few people are wannabe tuners and fancy they know but don't really know enough. You appear to know a lot more than most other non-professionals and I, for one, will always listen to your advice. However...
I run a modded car and have no use for VCDS for my own use. I would rather buy you a beer (or whatever) to change my lighting settings or similar via VCDS but I wouldn't let you near my tuning settings even though you have much valuable knowledge. Unless of course you were a Revo or JKM employee.
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When running a modded car VCDS should be on the purchase list anyway.
....Pointless unless you know what you are doing - You do, I'm led to believe - I don't.
Quite a few people are wannabe tuners and fancy they know but don't really know enough. You appear to know a lot more than most other non-professionals and I, for one, will always listen to your advice. However...
I run a modded car and have no use for VCDS for my own use. I would rather buy you a beer (or whatever) to change my lighting settings or similar via VCDS but I wouldn't let you near my tuning settings even though you have much valuable knowledge. Unless of course you were a Revo or JKM employee.
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Well so long as you have deep enough pockets to cover your words of wisdom that is fine. Most don't and they like to know what their car is doing.
When people don't have VCDS and run a modded car is when you get random posts like my CEL came on what is it??
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im obviously not going to go mad with the settings and turn everything up to max, im not stupid, but like i said, taking advise from people seems fine, its advise and not fact. i do it with my computer overclocking, which alltough not as costly if things go wrong, will still cost me a couple of hundred+ to fix, so causion is always advised.
knock on affects come with modding anyway, revoing the car will lead to other stresses and even warrenty issues... suspention leads to stresses on other parts... etc etc...
i also dont have the time to drive 120miles round trip to my tuner every time. Sure i can ask for datalogs IF they bothered keeping it...
In an ideal world buying Vag Com would be the best route, but spending afew hundred on that for a few change settings when i can take advise and causion seems ott. my view obviouslly, again just advise...
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Well so long as you have deep enough pockets to cover your words of wisdom that is fine. Most don't and they like to know what their car is doing.
....Oh I like to know what my car is doing, or should I say how my car is doing. That's why I go to JKM's Dyno-Days, together with social reasons. But I don't feel the need to constantly monitor everything as a hobby.
Most with Mk5's do have deep enough pockets but some don't like to spend. Often a spend brings far more than just the value of the goods/service. Being mean is often a false economy. [More words of wisdom for you :evilgrin:]
When people don't have VCDS and run a modded car is when you get random posts like my CEL came on what is it??
....Sure, but such random questions get posted anyway and what's wrong with that?
If I get a CEL light come on, my first phone calls will be JKM (my tuner) and my VW dealer and not a forum - In other words, people who are both professional specialists and know my individual car.
But ETTO etc. 8)
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If I get a CEL light come on, my first phone calls will be JKM and my VW dealer and not a forum - In other words, people who are both professional specialists and know my individual car.
Sure but that's not a lot different to posting the same rather fruitless question here Robin, without the correct data any diagnosis is purely a guess. Which then means you jump in the car and take a trip to the tuner of your choice. However if you were able to phone them and say for instance I've got -
2 Faults Found:
012599 - Intake Manifold Runner Control: Basic Setting not Completed
P3137 - 001 - Upper Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100001
Fault Priority: 0
Fault Frequency: 3
Mileage: 35519 km
Time Indication: 0
Freeze Frame:
RPM: 0 /min
Load: 54.9 %
Speed: 0.0 km/h
Temperature: 70.0°C
Temperature: 52.0°C
Absolute Pres.: 1020.0 mbar
Voltage: 8.763 V
001602 - Sensor Reference Voltage A: Circuit: Low
P0642 - 002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100010
Fault Priority: 0
Fault Frequency: 3
Mileage: 35519 km
Time Indication: 0
Freeze Frame:
RPM: 0 /min
Load: 54.9 %
Speed: 0.0 km/h
Temperature: 70.0°C
Temperature: 52.0°C
Absolute Pres.: 1020.0 mbar
Voltage: 9.779 V
They'd most likely be able to tell you exactly what the problem was and save you the journey.
Equally there would likely be somone around here who could help you but as you so often like to say ETTO :evilgrin:
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@ Stu:
Yes, a phone call might only give an informed guesstimate and invariably be followed by a journey and one I'd be happy to do - I love driving. I'd rather drive a 200 mile round trip than deal with a whole load of gobblygook as your list example. This week I drove 610 miles, the previous week only 40 - I much prefer this week.
Telling me what the problem is isn't that likely to solve it without a visit anyway.
Sorry, but personally I wouldn't trust the judgement on such subjects around here or indeed any other internet forum, unless posted by a known professional.
I write "ETTO" merely to communicate that whatever my opinion might be and however strongly I might feel it, I respect that others may feel differently. Not everyone feels as I do when faced with VCDS etc.
You and I don't agree about quite a few things but I still respect your opinions.
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In this case it can be fixed yourself however if under warranty a new part could be fitted.
The answers aren't always to be mistrusted and in fact as a registered owner you get a great deal of support from the guys at Ross Tech some of which can be found here for example -
http://wiki.ross-tech.com/index.php/19593/P3137/012599
http://wiki.ross-tech.com/index.php/17026/P0642/001602
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In this case it can be fixed yourself however if under warranty a new part could be fitted.
The answers aren't always to be mistrusted and in fact as a registered owner you get a great deal of support from the guys at Ross Tech some of which can be found here for example -
http://wiki.ross-tech.com/index.php/19593/P3137/012599
http://wiki.ross-tech.com/index.php/17026/P0642/001602
....But Stu, in my case you already know I'm only just capable of changing a light bulb!
The bottom line is that I'm gobblygook-phobic and even the info on your Ross Tech links makes my eyes glaze over - That's just how I am. I pre-release test creative software for Adobe and have done for several years - I don't get involved in code writing but only pass judgements on interface and operation - That's how my brain is hard-wired. I use Apple Macs and not Microsoft products.
You clearly have a skill otherwise and are very comfortable with it.
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Soooo, anways...
i am going to go for plus, i will then see what they have set me at, i guess its just the standard settings
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Hi
I have just bought a GTi that has a revo stage 2 map. I have select plus unit. The guy I bought it off said that he had set it to factory output as his wife had been driving it over the last 6 months.
How the hell do I use the thing as I cant seem to find much about it!!! Any help out there please!!
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Best to contact Revo HQ 01327 301901 and register your ownership and you should get full support.
Your Select box should have instructions on how to use.
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Well they aren't great figures mate, but it will be interesting to put it on some other rollers (preferably DD rollers) to see if there is any difference.
I would recommend you try settings B8 T5 F9. These were my settings on Stage 1 and ran very very well..
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Mines only managed 275ftlb of torque on several different rollers which i thought was low. Same engine with Revo stg1. Bhp has been between 297 and 305 tho. DP will see the torque value increase.
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@DOMIT : tbh your graph looks good. work checking your timing pull though.
What fuel were you using on the day compared to golfgirls? (Tesco99 vs Shell or BP may just loose you that 10 bhp)
10bhp is within variance for diff cars/fuels etc , nearly 20 and you prob have something to fix/change to get that hp diff
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@DOMIT : tbh your graph looks good. work checking your timing pull though.
What fuel were you using on the day compared to golfgirls? (Tesco99 vs Shell or BP may just loose you that 10 bhp)
10bhp is within variance for diff cars/fuels etc , nearly 20 and you prob have something to fix/change to get that hp diff
Another good point.. Especially if running timing 6..
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down pipe exhaust
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Was your car very cold or warmed up before it went on the rollers?
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I have notoced these engines really don't like been left to idle for a long time, I had a mis-fire with my ED30 on 1 of the RR days, the operator questioned wether it had been left to tick over and it had for about 5 mins, when we ran it again it cleared and made good figures.
Not saying this is why you got the figures you did pal but its something to consider in the future
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Erm, I know there's a bit of a rolling discussion going on here - but as this is the place for it, I have a Revo question, so just work around me!!
For us vanilla GTI owners, running a DP and soon an intake, what settings would you use on V-power??
I'm currently on 6/9/6 boost/fuel/timing.
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Seem about right to me mate. But not every car is the same so your best best bet is Vagcom i'd say.. Another thing to think about is now the weather has started to get warmer (or when it does properly anyway) it might be worth knocking the timing down one.. :wink:
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What kind of stuff do I want to be looking at in vadgecom and how do I base my settings on my findings?
It'd be ace if someone wrote a rough (non legally binding if you balls it up) guide on the factors to consider and the effect the settings have on X, Y & Z.... or link to the one I've not found yet!
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What kind of stuff do I want to be looking at in vadgecom and how do I base my settings on my findings?
It'd be ace if someone wrote a rough (non legally binding if you balls it up) guide on the factors to consider and the effect the settings have on X, Y & Z.... or link to the one I've not found yet!
From what I remember when we set mine up its the timing pulls(correction factors) are the main consideration, less than 5 is good from what I remember. I'm not that switched on with vagcom so do not know where you would find them.
I agree a how to explaining the principles behind it would be great, I spoke to Carl and Kev at Revo HQ and they explained everything but unless its actually going on in front of me its hard to take in so much information. Maybe worth a call to them I can get you the number if you don't already have it :smiley:
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Cheers Gaz,
I've got their number, but I guess I need a basic understanding before I go for the in-depth tech hit.
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Erm, I know there's a bit of a rolling discussion going on here - but as this is the place for it, I have a Revo question, so just work around me!!
For us vanilla GTI owners, running a DP and soon an intake, what settings would you use on V-power??
I'm currently on 6/9/6 boost/fuel/timing.
I thought you had a Bluefin stage 2 Mike :confused:
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Cheers Gaz,
I've got their number, but I guess I need a basic understanding before I go for the in-depth tech hit.
I take it you've read this pal
http://www.revotechnik.com/products/pdf/SelectPlus_AdvancedUserGuide_V0707.pdf
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Erm, I know there's a bit of a rolling discussion going on here - but as this is the place for it, I have a Revo question, so just work around me!!
For us vanilla GTI owners, running a DP and soon an intake, what settings would you use on V-power??
I'm currently on 6/9/6 boost/fuel/timing.
I thought you had a Bluefin stage 2 Mike :confused:
he chopped it in for a Revo S2 map after he had a "special" TBE made up and the Revo map would utilise it better.
He saw sense basically :signLOL:
think he's tempted with S2+ now to chase those final few ponies.
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AAAaaaHH I see :wink:
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Ace, cheers Gaz.
Yep TC, I swapped to Revo for S2. Although S2+ I'm not wholly convinced I need yet for the cost, it's plenty quick enough for my needs without an LSD - and I ain't doing that!!
Nowt against Superchips, I was more than happy with their mapping... but I made the decision to go S2 and with that I wanted the flexibilty to play with settings on the fly, depending on what I'm doing, plus Votex are 10 minutes away for fine tuning.
Superchips were ace about it, they even re-coded the Bluefin allowing me to sell it on to a friend. :happy2:
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Good stuff, :happy2: Quick diversion off topic for a second, do you know off the top of your head how much Votex will charge for first service. I am going to give them a ring tomorrow any ways, just after a heads up. :drinking:
I might have to go S2 as well :wink:
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Good stuff, :happy2: Quick diversion off topic for a second, do you know off the top of your head how much Votex will charge for first service. I am going to give them a ring tomorrow any ways, just after a heads up. :drinking:
I might have to go S2 as well :wink:
Do it, you're wasting that DP by not having it TBH - there's nothing to fear...
I guess you've already called them, but it's cheap as chips anyway :happy2:
Dom, dunno about MAF readings - I'm sure someone else can help soon though.
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Good stuff, :happy2: Quick diversion off topic for a second, do you know off the top of your head how much Votex will charge for first service. I am going to give them a ring tomorrow any ways, just after a heads up. :drinking:
I might have to go S2 as well :wink:
Had my 4th service there on Monday and was over 25% cheaper than VW.
Mike was talking about 2 GTI's today, a white one and a decatted one with miltek. I'm thinking that it was both you guys above??
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Aye probably, Mike knows him really well.
I will be getting my service done their soon. I am very happy with the few bits i have had done by them so far. :drinking:
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Aye probably, Mike knows him really well.
I will be getting my service done their soon. I am very happy with the few bits i have had done by them so far. :drinking:
I think they're fantastic, I do a 100 mile round trip everytime I see them. Mike never fails to impress
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I liked the first time i dropped my car off for the coilovers and he said the courtesy car was at the back got round their and saw the beautiful RS4 :love: Got my hopes up for about 2 seconds, until i saw the corser :sad:
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does anyone know if revo stage 2 or 3 code out the lambda probe :smiley: :happy2:
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stg 2 does :happy2:
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ok cheers :happy2: so stage 3 still has a working rear lambda probe ?
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what are you meaning by stg 3, big turbo? stg2 is exhaust and filter map, stg 2+ is fuel pump,exhaust and intake map
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i got a stage 3 map for a k04 turbo on a k03 engine/car and was looking into doing away with the cat :smiley:
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I see, maybe its a bespoke map for that application, I was under the impression stg3 was for big turbo applications GTRS etc. So maybe your map is different, ring Carl or Kev they'll tell you or sort you a map to suit I'm sure
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I believe Revo do have a specific map for this application, i think its advertized on their site. :drinking:
MR Toe why dont you come to the next forum meet it would be interesting to see what your car is putting out with the KO 4 :jumping:
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cheers gazbuts3 :happy2:
TC - where and when is the next one :party:
altho it might b a bit of a trip from glasgow :smiley:
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Ah didn't know you where in another country. :rolleye:
Should be a cracking event http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=3928.0
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ah ok bit too far for me
thanks anyways :wink: :smiley:
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Has anyone had Stage 2+ on stock clutch (as i have at the min) then upgraded the clutch and noticed the car putting the power down better?
Also what interval would you recommend checking the cam follower?
Many thanks
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If I subject my motor to a REVO stage 1 will the standard diverter valve thingy handle it?
There seems to be some talk of them failing? Also how will I know if it does go ka-put. Presumably there will be some tell tale signs?
Cheers.
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how olds your car pal, there are revisions to the DV and the later ones seem to be a bit stronger
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Its an 05 plate.......or it will be when I pick it up in a few days.
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Im guessing you will have one of the first types as its an 05 plate. Surely you can just do the valve for piece of mind assurance that it will last.
Does anyone know if i can try the Revo free trial after trying the APR free trial?
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Im guessing you will have one of the first types as its an 05 plate. Surely you can just do the valve for piece of mind assurance that it will last.
Does anyone know if i can try the Revo free trial after trying the APR free trial?
Yes you can, but it would advisable to make sure you let the Revo agent know you have had a trial from another tuner first :happy2:
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I will try it out this Friday then when I get paid, cant afford to be putting anymore petrol in this week. Used a full tank of petrol in the first 24 hours of getting my licence back :jumping:
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Has anyone had Stage 2+ on stock clutch (as i have at the min) then upgraded the clutch and noticed the car putting the power down better? Power engine to wheels not so much wheels to road
Many thanks
Anyone?
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Hi Mike,
There are quite a few people who have had clutch slip with a remap using the stock clutch. A few have gone for a Sach's clutch upgrade, but I haven't seen any write-ups in the review section. :smiley:
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Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp!
I had my car booked in for the stage 1 REVO doing this weekend and I've ended up cancelling it because people keep saying that things go wrong with various bits and bobs once the cars running the extra power.
I've seen people talking about clutch slip, new clutches, spark plugs blowing, coil packs going, engine mounts busting amongst other things.
Just what is the crack with reliability?
I've only owned the car for a week or so and I really wanted to get the remap done but now I'm worried everythings gonna start going ka-put if I do. Its got about 40k on the clock so am I likely to start seeing things go wrong if I finally grow some bollocks and get it done? :scared:
Decisions decisions.
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Your clutch should be fine. Not many people complain of slipping clutches on a GTI - mostly on ED30's. I can only recall two people that have mentioned clutch slip on a GTI. If you treat it properly then it will be fine.
Spark plugs? Heard nothing about that. When remapped it is recommended that you change them earlier than the VW Service regime recommends, thats all!!
Coil packs - thats a known problem with many different cars. I don't think its especially re-map related though. I understand that there have been a few revisions of the coil packs for the Golf from the early models, so you can get the latest revision if you're worried about them.
Engine mounts - never heard of a 'busted' engine mount due to a remap. You may choose to uprate them, so that your car copes better with getting the increased power on the road.
I've had REVO stage 2 on my GTI since November 2008, and have not had a single problem. I would say that with GTI owners (not ED30) probably 95% on this forum have not had a remap related issue with their GTI.
The only thing you should really change is the DV, which if you go for a revision G VW part is only about £30!
It is said that VW alllow around a 40% headroom on their cars - as do their other German counterparts.
Do it, you won't regret it!!!
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^^^^wot he says :happy2:^^^^
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give the car a month for you to get a 'feel' for whats normal, then remap it :happy2:
With the extra fun comes extra risk of things breaking but these cars are tough.
On a GTI the stage 1 is a no brainer, ED30 clutch is a risk on manual cars but otherwise WhiteGTI has its summed up.
There are plenty on here that probably push their cars way above where you want to go (for now :evilgrin:)
Can always remove it too.
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Thanks for the reassurance guys :happy2:. Think I'll do what John_o said and run it for a month or so to see if there are any teething problems and get a feel for the car before I have it done. The money is there (providing I don't go get the Miltek and Induction kit) so theres no rush.
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Any further questions please post a new topic :happy2: