MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: big eck on February 18, 2014, 11:22:23 pm
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Has anyone changed from Revo to APR on here, and if so why???
Is your car running better? Any draw backs?
The reason I ask is I have a stage 2+ Leon Cupra by Revo and I've been offed 50% off the APR software if I switch over. I just want to see if anyone has done the same and if they think its worth doing.
Don't get me wrong the Revo software I have is spot on but the APR software is getting some very highly praised reports lately with there updated software.
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If you have Revo and you're happy with it why change?
do APR not do a "try before you buy" where they flash the map on and let you drive around for half an hour or so?
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I think in all.fairness they will be very simular maps.They are probably the best 2 genric maps you could have and the only really difference would be if you went to a full custom map wrote for your car.
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See my reply on this thread..
www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,74372.15.html
I wouldn't bother if you already have Revo.
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I have recently learnt and experienced that K04 vehicles can suffer with compressor surge at or after stage 2 with Revo. Mine has had this issue minimized to the point where it is no longer a problem, but it is still there. I know that the latest APR software (3.4 I believe) deals with this issue specifically, and successfully by all accounts. I shant change though as my Revo installer is very local.
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Niki at r tech has also developed a system through inlet flaps or something along those lines to deal specifically with this problem on a ko4
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If you have Revo and you're happy with it why change?
do APR not do a "try before you buy" where they flash the map on and let you drive around for half an hour or so?
I've just heard a lot of good things about this APR file and wondered if its better than the Revo. I can't do the "try before you buy" either as that would wipe off my Revo map.
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If you have Revo and you're happy with it why change?
do APR not do a "try before you buy" where they flash the map on and let you drive around for half an hour or so?
I've just heard a lot of good things about this APR file and wondered if its better than the Revo. I can't do the "try before you buy" either as that would wipe off my Revo map.
Does Revo have to load something onto your car prior to being able to use the REVO SPS unit? Or can you simply install the tune from factory ECU with the SPS unit.
If the later is the answer than I suggest talking to the APR guys, revert your car back to stock. then go to APR and get the trial loaded.
If you are not sold (which will be extremely hard) then get them to reload the stock software back to the car and simply load your REVO software again with the SPS dongle.
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What Apr dealer offers that?
From what I have seen around my area the Apr cars seem to be faster than revo by a noticeable amount.
I'm yet to see a Apr vs rtec.
jabbasport have put a really good map on a k04 converted a3 tfsi and that's a good competitor
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Stay revo if ur gna change go r tech
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What Apr dealer offers that?
From what I have seen around my area the Apr cars seem to be faster than revo by a noticeable amount.
I'm yet to see a Apr vs rtec.
jabbasport have put a really good map on a k04 converted a3 tfsi and that's a good competitor
I have no idea I'm afraid. Hence I mentioned talk to your local APR dealer and explain to them about this.
you will most likely have to pay for there labour time to install and remove?
But I would recommend talking to them first.
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Stay revo if ur gna change go r tech
The only reason I was thinking on changing was that I was getting it half price.
My cars running 373bhp/334lbft just now and a mates car with same mods but with the APR map ran 390bhp/395lbft on the same rollers a month later.
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His car may be on different tyres with different pressures and rolling diameters.
His engine may be slightly healthier than yours
Atmospheric differences on the day
Dyno operator settings, etc.
All play a part. Numbers are for pub figures where as drivability and feeling, area under the graph are what count.
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If you have Revo and you're happy with it why change?
do APR not do a "try before you buy" where they flash the map on and let you drive around for half an hour or so?
I've just heard a lot of good things about this APR file and wondered if its better than the Revo. I can't do the "try before you buy" either as that would wipe off my Revo map.
Does Revo have to load something onto your car prior to being able to use the REVO SPS unit? Or can you simply install the tune from factory ECU with the SPS unit.
If the later is the answer than I suggest talking to the APR guys, revert your car back to stock. then go to APR and get the trial loaded.
If you are not sold (which will be extremely hard) then get them to reload the stock software back to the car and simply load your REVO software again with the SPS dongle.
The sps doesn't contain the map, it just allows up to adjust the settings.
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Personally I prefer APR
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Stay revo if ur gna change go r tech
The only reason I was thinking on changing was that I was getting it half price.
My cars running 373bhp/334lbft just now and a mates car with same mods but with the APR map ran 390bhp/395lbft on the same rollers a month later.
How do they both go on the road? Is his quicker?
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I have the APR map v3.4 it's a great map, but I choose APR mainly because of the garage that fit it. it's a different type of car compared with their older map the way the power kicks in now but I don't think you will be disappointed! Just got to decide if you think it's worth spending the money for a change in map! Also what car is it on as I don't even think revo or Apr say their stage 2+ is 390! But for me dynos are just a fun day out or using the same one each time to look at the difference after mods. I wouldn't get bogged down with just numbers.
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Posted this in a similar thread so copy and paste over here. All I can say is, try it. If you dont like it they will give you your money back, and it will cost you 50 pounds to get your revo agent to reload their software. But I have a feeling like all the others who made the switch, you will be more than impressed with the APR software. Their boost control algorithims really set them apart from the competition
"Sorry to those running Revo, but I've tried their latest map (aswell as having had their flat spot map for 18months on my own k04 car) and the latest APR 3.4 is noticeably better than Revo. More midrange, more on top, more drivable, and smoother.
Dyno graphs seem to back that up.
Red APR, orange Revo. Correction factor applied to APR car to account for cooler temps.
Same engine same mods, comparison done at at Revo dealer.
I haven't tried r-tech but have friends who run nicks maps and they seem happy, and nick is a nice guy."
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fvv43%2Fpoverty_k1%2F55DE533F-CA1B-4FE1-8802-7EEA5C91569C_zpsuzlwqzkq.jpg&hash=3f2281f2010edf6f6ee16b8e2d4c71f7511d236f)
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Posted this in a similar thread so copy and paste over here. All I can say is, try it. If you dont like it they will give you your money back, and it will cost you 50 pounds to get your revo agent to reload their software. But I have a feeling like all the others who made the switch, you will be more than impressed with the APR software. Their boost control algorithims really set them apart from the competition
"Sorry to those running Revo, but I've tried their latest map (aswell as having had their flat spot map for 18months on my own k04 car) and the latest APR 3.4 is noticeably better than Revo. More midrange, more on top, more drivable, and smoother.
Dyno graphs seem to back that up.
Red APR, orange Revo. Correction factor applied to APR car to account for cooler temps.
Same engine same mods, comparison done at at Revo dealer.
I haven't tried r-tech but have friends who run nicks maps and they seem happy, and nick is a nice guy."
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fvv43%2Fpoverty_k1%2F55DE533F-CA1B-4FE1-8802-7EEA5C91569C_zpsuzlwqzkq.jpg&hash=3f2281f2010edf6f6ee16b8e2d4c71f7511d236f)
I'm am no expert by any stretch but if i'm reading the run correctly doesn't is state the 2 cars runs took place 8 months apart and I thought a true comparison would be with the same car with just a different map slapped on.
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That orange map is mine :) the other is weeG off scn.
Both runs were at Sitech racing in fife. The only difference in my car now is that I had the Evoms intake fitted then. Its the Revo intake I have now. I doubt it makes much difference tho.
Tbh I don't wanna spend £250 on the APR an possibly hate it then have to pay £50+vat to have the Revo put back on only to waste £300+ to basically end up with what I started with lol.
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The APR map sure looks to be more 'undriveable' The huge jump in bhp and torque from 4-5k will be hard to get the power down, and a good clutch destroyer imho. The Revo file looks good to me, much more linear and easier on the road to deploy the beans with much less wheel spin in the lower gears.
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Revo usually have pretty high torque figures, but the one on the graph appears to be struggling. Also I am wondering what settings were on the Revo map for boost, fuelling and timing as they can make a significant difference. To give APR due credit, they do generally have decent outputs, but a well set up Revo car should really give better results than the one posted above.
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As far as I know the graph above is a special APR early map for a dude in Scotland who recently I have been chatting to about getting his setup flowing better to eak a few hp more from his APR sw.
I drove a stage2+ v3.4 last week and I was impressed how usable and drivable the car was with there methods.
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That orange map is mine :) the other is weeG off scn.
Both runs were at Sitech racing in fife. The only difference in my car now is that I had the Evoms intake fitted then. Its the Revo intake I have now. I doubt it makes much difference tho.
Tbh I don't wanna spend £250 on the APR an possibly hate it then have to pay £50+vat to have the Revo put back on only to waste £300+ to basically end up with what I started with lol.
But APR would refund you, so it will only cost you 50 pounds in the unlikely event you don't like it. Loads if people have done the switch already and not looked back so that must be a good sign.
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The APR map sure looks to be more 'undriveable' The huge jump in bhp and torque from 4-5k will be hard to get the power down, and a good clutch destroyer imho. The Revo file looks good to me, much more linear and easier on the road to deploy the beans with much less wheel spin in the lower gears.
Ermmmm rubbish! That extra power in the mid range makes the car more driveable, and the accelerator isn't an on or off switch. 40mph upwards with decent tyres in the summer and wheelspin isn't an issue anyway unless you only put your foot down from the lights.
Revo usually have pretty high torque figures, but the one on the graph appears to be struggling. Also I am wondering what settings were on the Revo map for boost, fuelling and timing as they can make a significant difference. To give APR due credit, they do generally have decent outputs, but a well set up Revo car should really give better results than the one posted above.
I think it's down to their new patented boost control strategies APR use. The massive midrange and ability to carry that power through to the high rpm range is something they are known by now.
Iirc they first developed it on the TTRS development cars and and now implementing it through the rest of their range. If you look at the APR TTRS vs Revo TTRS figured you will see the same massive power margin, the area under the curve is much greater with APR.
That's one of the things that really impress me with APR, they are like Nissan with their GTR, they have a continual development policy, hence why there have been a few map updates in the last 2-3 years from in their product range.
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The APR map sure looks to be more 'undriveable' The huge jump in bhp and torque from 4-5k will be hard to get the power down, and a good clutch destroyer imho. The Revo file looks good to me, much more linear and easier on the road to deploy the beans with much less wheel spin in the lower gears.
Ermmmm rubbish! That extra power in the mid range makes the car more driveable, and the accelerator isn't an on or off switch. 40mph upwards with decent tyres in the summer and wheelspin isn't an issue anyway unless you only put your foot down from the lights.
Your the one talking rubbish pal :fighting: ! In all but "total bone dry" conditions it makes the car more undriveable. A stage 1 Ed30 in anything but bone dry is hard to put the power down in the lower gears FACT !!
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The APR map sure looks to be more 'undriveable' The huge jump in bhp and torque from 4-5k will be hard to get the power down, and a good clutch destroyer imho. The Revo file looks good to me, much more linear and easier on the road to deploy the beans with much less wheel spin in the lower gears.
Ermmmm rubbish! That extra power in the mid range makes the car more driveable, and the accelerator isn't an on or off switch. 40mph upwards with decent tyres in the summer and wheelspin isn't an issue anyway unless you only put your foot down from the lights.
Your the one talking rubbish pal :fighting: ! In all but "total bone dry" conditions it makes the car more undriveable. A stage 1 Ed30 in anything but bone dry is hard to put the power down in the lower gears FACT !!
I'm not even going to bother trying to explain to you :happy2:
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REVO is the best anyway so there.....
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I'm not even going to bother trying to explain to you :happy2:
You've got nothing to explain mate :happy2:
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REVO is the best anyway so there.....
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lol, no comment :wink:
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I'm not even going to bother trying to explain to you :happy2:
You've got nothing to explain mate :happy2:
Not to someone that doesn't fully understand what a throttle pedal is for, no.
I mean, who would want all that torque in the mid range, the car will be so in driveable around town and on the motorway.
How do focus RS drivers manage :scared:
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I'm not even going to bother trying to explain to you :happy2:
You've got nothing to explain mate :happy2:
Not to someone that doesn't fully understand what a throttle pedal is for, no.
I mean, who would want all that torque in the mid range, the car will be so in driveable around town and on the motorway.
How do focus RS drivers manage :scared:
If you read my initial post again you will see you have no argument here. Is not about the throttle pedal, its about the mapping :happy2:
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:signLOL:
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:P
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I'm not even going to bother trying to explain to you :happy2:
You've got nothing to explain mate :happy2:
Not to someone that doesn't fully understand what a throttle pedal is for, no.
I mean, who would want all that torque in the mid range, the car will be so in driveable around town and on the motorway.
How do focus RS drivers manage :scared:
If you read my initial post again you will see you have no argument here. Is not about the throttle pedal, its about the mapping :happy2:
Ok I get it, more power = bad to you. You can't handle too much power, so you prefer your flame thrower software :driver:
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dont bite at eachother other software lol reminds me of the mk2 rs forum
end of the day everyone sticks up for there tuner 99% of the time, theres plenty of bad reviews on apr and plenty on revo.. suprisingly alot of the us members on golfmkv dont like apr though
end of the day if your happy with your tune dont worry what everyone else thinks i got revo on mine and its spot on all afr's good/smooth etc etc and making good power but itis a one off custom map not quite finished yet still under development with tsr
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^^ I'm afraid that was to your rude initial comment. If your gonna be rude, expect it back.
More power is not bad, its how its delivered. (although now you are resorting to stupidity, not good fella) So we might as well leave it there............
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dont bite at eachother other software lol reminds me of the mk2 rs forum
end of the day everyone sticks up for there tuner 99% of the time, theres plenty of bad reviews on apr and plenty on revo.. suprisingly alot of the us members on golfmkv dont like apr though
end of the day if your happy with your tune dont worry what everyone else thinks
You know, I was gonna comment on the same re the mapping threads. I have no preferred tuner here by the way, my car was custom tuned my 'non of the above'.
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dont bite at eachother other software lol reminds me of the mk2 rs forum
end of the day everyone sticks up for there tuner 99% of the time, theres plenty of bad reviews on apr and plenty on revo.. suprisingly alot of the us members on golfmkv dont like apr though
end of the day if your happy with your tune dont worry what everyone else thinks i got revo on mine and its spot on all afr's good/smooth etc etc and making good power but itis a one off custom map still under development with tsr
This is the only Revo stranglehold left most of the other forums aren't big on Revo anymore, and also most of the high profile members ie hurdy, jonny, teff, all ditched Revo too.
They where ok in the past when they had a good mapper, but he jumped ship, so who do they have now? Last I heard the bloke who did custom code, but that might have changed also.
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^^ I'm afraid that was to your rude initial comment. If your gonna be rude, expect it back.
More power is not bad, its how its delivered. (although now you are resorting to stupidity, not good fella) So we might as well leave it there............
How should it be delivered on a turbo car? Like a NA Ferrari? If you want to be fast, you need as much BHP and Torque as possible from 4500rpm to redline. The APR software achieves that, but in your eyes that makes it "undriveable" which is rubbish. And let's not forget the fact that, there are also 4wd platform cars which use this engine, so traction at this power level isn't really an issue.
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Nobody is talking about 4wd cars here, front wheel drive Golfs with 370+bhp ish are the topic. Traction is always going to be an issue with that kind of power without a smooth delivery. Why do you think so many are wanting or have the linear maps running this kind of bhp ? My 300bhp Ed30 would wheelspin in 3rd on anything but bone dry roads, first and second were virtually unusable, (just short shifted though them) and into 3rd then........boom your away !! Sound familiar ?? ........ No ?? I think with a smoother map on my car it would have made it 'much' more driveable. I should have had it tweaked to do this to be honest......... Anyway, dont we all want different things from our cars ?
Anyway, you stick with your 4wd and plant all the power you want through it, you will probably be fine :happy2:
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dont bite at eachother other software lol reminds me of the mk2 rs forum
end of the day everyone sticks up for there tuner 99% of the time, theres plenty of bad reviews on apr and plenty on revo.. suprisingly alot of the us members on golfmkv dont like apr though
end of the day if your happy with your tune dont worry what everyone else thinks i got revo on mine and its spot on all afr's good/smooth etc etc and making good power but itis a one off custom map still under development with tsr
This is the only Revo stranglehold left most of the other forums aren't big on Revo anymore, and also most of the high profile members ie hurdy, jonny, teff, all ditched Revo too.
They where ok in the past when they had a good mapper, but he jumped ship, so who do they have now? Last I heard the bloke who did custom code, but that might have changed also.
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i dont know all i seem to see is revo or rtech? revo is huge at the moment especially on fords now making some really big power 500,600,700hp mk2 RS running revo
teff didnt actually have any problems with revo itself did he mapping wise? and jonny was revo through and through untill he got involved working with apr?
i might use r-tech or giac one day but im not really to interested at the moment
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Do linear maps (linear mapping not as in linear throttle right?) stop wheelspin In first and second? No they don't. If launching off the lights is your thing then a powerful fwd car really isn't suitable for that.
But like you say, 30mph, 3rd gear, the car hooks up nicely. Now it's pretty clear which map out of the two from a rolling race will be quicker. The APR map has a much greater area under the curve.
Your grievances are simply from a traffic light duel, and at a low speed in a fwd car, the power difference usually makes no great impact on the 0-40 dash be it mapped or not in a fwd 2.0tfsi running the average summer tyres.
This can only bring it down to one conclusion, in which you need to drive to the conditions, and making use of the throttle pedal.
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Now, your talking a bit more sensibly..........
I mentioned in my first post that you rubbished, re driveability in the lower gears correct. Once your up to speed and in higher gears its not so much an issue. Now I am not a traffic light racer, but these cars are hard to get off the line with big power and smoother mapping will help this. People want WALK and Dogbones, mounts etc to help with launch (and hop), so its not just me who might want to shoe it away every so often
Why would you want a car with massive power that you cant get off the line if you really want to anyway ?
Any grievances I had were with your first response, not your opinion. As you so obviously showed with mine. I actually 'accept' others opinions :wink:
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Learn to use the go pedal sounds like someone uses it like a switch :signLOL:
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I'm sure Revo Karl and Kev and reading this thread with interest. Who's to say revo aren't planning further tweaks to the stage 2+ code in the same spirit of continual improvement ?
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karl left Revo long time ago... Not too sure on Kev there still?
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I'm sure Revo Karl and Kev and reading this thread with interest. Who's to say revo aren't planning further tweaks to the stage 2+ code in the same spirit of continual improvement ?
I've already asked this question on seatcupra.net and was told no. Kev actually made a sly dig at "other" software developers saying not to believe the hype. Evan of APR questioned it but got no reply.
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Now, your talking a bit more sensibly..........
I mentioned in my first post that you rubbished, re driveability in the lower gears correct. Once your up to speed and in higher gears its not so much an issue. Now I am not a traffic light racer, but these cars are hard to get off the line with big power and smoother mapping will help this. People want WALK and Dogbones, mounts etc to help with launch (and hop), so its not just me who might want to shoe it away every so often
Why would you want a car with massive power that you cant get off the line if you really want to anyway ?
Any grievances I had were with your first response, not your opinion. As you so obviously showed with mine. I actually 'accept' others opinions :wink:
I can accept your opinion, but it's just that, an opinion, v-box data points more towards facts, which shows you are wrong with your opinion.dont bite at eachother other software lol reminds me of the mk2 rs forum
end of the day everyone sticks up for there tuner 99% of the time, theres plenty of bad reviews on apr and plenty on revo.. suprisingly alot of the us members on golfmkv dont like apr though
end of the day if your happy with your tune dont worry what everyone else thinks i got revo on mine and its spot on all afr's good/smooth etc etc and making good power but itis a one off custom map still under development with tsr
This is the only Revo stranglehold left most of the other forums aren't big on Revo anymore, and also most of the high profile members ie hurdy, jonny, teff, all ditched Revo too.
They where ok in the past when they had a good mapper, but he jumped ship, so who do they have now? Last I heard the bloke who did custom code, but that might have changed also.
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i dont know all i seem to see is revo or rtech? revo is huge at the moment especially on fords now making some really big power 500,600,700hp mk2 RS running revo
teff didnt actually have any problems with revo itself did he mapping wise? and jonny was revo through and through untill he got involved working with apr?
i might use r-tech or giac one day but im not really to interested at the moment
TT forum is mainly APR follow by Mrc and shark. VW vortex mainly APR and GIAC.
Revo seem to be the flavour of the month with the ford guys, but then it was a pretty open market ready for the taking. Whether their maps are great on the focus rs I don't know, they melted my mates focus rs engine so he stopped using them, and my other mate with a 700hp focus RS sticks with jamsport.
As for jonny he stopped using Revo after his TTRS engine was melted.
I stopped using them because I was sick of being told "it's not the software it's the car" and limp mode issues on the RS.
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Now, your talking a bit more sensibly..........
I mentioned in my first post that you rubbished, re driveability in the lower gears correct. Once your up to speed and in higher gears its not so much an issue. Now I am not a traffic light racer, but these cars are hard to get off the line with big power and smoother mapping will help this. People want WALK and Dogbones, mounts etc to help with launch (and hop), so its not just me who might want to shoe it away every so often
Why would you want a car with massive power that you cant get off the line if you really want to anyway ?
Any grievances I had were with your first response, not your opinion. As you so obviously showed with mine. I actually 'accept' others opinions :wink:
I can accept your opinion, but it's just that, an opinion, v-box data points more towards facts, which shows you are wrong with your opinion.dont bite at eachother other software lol reminds me of the mk2 rs forum
end of the day everyone sticks up for there tuner 99% of the time, theres plenty of bad reviews on apr and plenty on revo.. suprisingly alot of the us members on golfmkv dont like apr though
end of the day if your happy with your tune dont worry what everyone else thinks i got revo on mine and its spot on all afr's good/smooth etc etc and making good power but itis a one off custom map still under development with tsr
This is the only Revo stranglehold left most of the other forums aren't big on Revo anymore, and also most of the high profile members ie hurdy, jonny, teff, all ditched Revo too.
They where ok in the past when they had a good mapper, but he jumped ship, so who do they have now? Last I heard the bloke who did custom code, but that might have changed also.
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i dont know all i seem to see is revo or rtech? revo is huge at the moment especially on fords now making some really big power 500,600,700hp mk2 RS running revo
teff didnt actually have any problems with revo itself did he mapping wise? and jonny was revo through and through untill he got involved working with apr?
i might use r-tech or giac one day but im not really to interested at the moment
TT forum is mainly APR follow by Mrc and shark. VW vortex mainly APR and GIAC.
Revo seem to be the flavour of the month with the ford guys, but then it was a pretty open market ready for the taking. Whether their maps are great on the focus rs I don't know, they melted my mates focus rs engine so he stopped using them, and my other mate with a 700hp focus RS sticks with jamsport.
As for jonny he stopped using Revo after his TTRS engine was melted.
I stopped using them because I was sick of being told "it's not the software it's the car" and limp mode issues on the RS.
whats your thoughts on mrc? there local to me and possibly another option for me in the future
cool which rs is that? i had a jamsport RS before my ed30 i couldnt fault them
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I'd use MRC depending on the engine, but I'm pretty impressed with APR's tuning philosophy, their pro-active customer engagement and their resources. It all depends on the car and your aims.
The focus RS is the green one with pink wheels.
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I'd use MRC depending on the engine, but I'm pretty impressed with APR's tuning philosophy, their pro-active customer engagement and their resources. It all depends on the car and your aims.
The focus RS is the green one with pink wheels.
So what's your take on APR and the Stage 3 Group buy the Golf R boys tried to arrange?
From where I stand, APR are definitely Pro-active in filling there pockets!
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I'd use MRC depending on the engine, but I'm pretty impressed with APR's tuning philosophy, their pro-active customer engagement and their resources. It all depends on the car and your aims.
The focus RS is the green one with pink wheels.
2.0tfsi with a gtx30?
ahh cool i know the one henry isnt it?
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I'd use MRC depending on the engine, but I'm pretty impressed with APR's tuning philosophy, their pro-active customer engagement and their resources. It all depends on the car and your aims.
The focus RS is the green one with pink wheels.
So what's your take on APR and the Stage 3 Group buy the Golf R boys tried to arrange?
From where I stand, APR are definitely Pro-active in filling there pockets!
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Do you run a business to lose money? Their kit is proven to over 70k miles, the other big turbo kits out there with tubular manifolds usually need replacing after 15-20k. What APR provide is like a OEM solution, fit and forget, and that comes at a premium.
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I'd use MRC depending on the engine, but I'm pretty impressed with APR's tuning philosophy, their pro-active customer engagement and their resources. It all depends on the car and your aims.
The focus RS is the green one with pink wheels.
2.0tfsi with a gtx30?
ahh cool i know the one henry isnt it?
I'd use mihnea for that for the custom mapping.
Yeah it's Henry
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I'd use MRC depending on the engine, but I'm pretty impressed with APR's tuning philosophy, their pro-active customer engagement and their resources. It all depends on the car and your aims.
The focus RS is the green one with pink wheels.
So what's your take on APR and the Stage 3 Group buy the Golf R boys tried to arrange?
From where I stand, APR are definitely Pro-active in filling there pockets!
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Do you run a business to lose money? Their kit is proven to over 70k miles, the other big turbo kits out there with tubular manifolds usually need replacing after 15-20k. What APR provide is like a OEM solution, fit and forget, and that comes at a premium.
Can I assume your are not aware of the kit situation?
I'm not talking about the price of the kit, i'm talking about underhand tactics which they seem quite pro active in!
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I'd use MRC depending on the engine, but I'm pretty impressed with APR's tuning philosophy, their pro-active customer engagement and their resources. It all depends on the car and your aims.
The focus RS is the green one with pink wheels.
So what's your take on APR and the Stage 3 Group buy the Golf R boys tried to arrange?
From where I stand, APR are definitely Pro-active in filling there pockets!
:popcornsoda:
Do you run a business to lose money? Their kit is proven to over 70k miles, the other big turbo kits out there with tubular manifolds usually need replacing after 15-20k. What APR provide is like a OEM solution, fit and forget, and that comes at a premium.
Can I assume your are not aware of the kit situation?
I'm not talking about the price of the kit, i'm talking about underhand tactics which they seem quite pro active in!
Don't know anything about that no, link? Or brief explanation?
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I'd use MRC depending on the engine, but I'm pretty impressed with APR's tuning philosophy, their pro-active customer engagement and their resources. It all depends on the car and your aims.
The focus RS is the green one with pink wheels.
2.0tfsi with a gtx30?
ahh cool i know the one henry isnt it?
I'd use mihnea for that for the custom mapping.
Yeah it's Henry
What's wrong with Niki?
The stage 3/4 maps from Revo are very very good imo.
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mihnea??
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Now, your talking a bit more sensibly..........
I mentioned in my first post that you rubbished, re driveability in the lower gears correct. Once your up to speed and in higher gears its not so much an issue. Now I am not a traffic light racer, but these cars are hard to get off the line with big power and smoother mapping will help this. People want WALK and Dogbones, mounts etc to help with launch (and hop), so its not just me who might want to shoe it away every so often
Why would you want a car with massive power that you cant get off the line if you really want to anyway ?
Any grievances I had were with your first response, not your opinion. As you so obviously showed with mine. I actually 'accept' others opinions :wink:
I can accept your opinion, but it's just that, an opinion, v-box data points more towards facts, which shows you are wrong with your opinion.[quote
There you go again,...............V Box data has nothing, and shows nothing to do with driveability.
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I'd use MRC depending on the engine, but I'm pretty impressed with APR's tuning philosophy, their pro-active customer engagement and their resources. It all depends on the car and your aims.
The focus RS is the green one with pink wheels.
2.0tfsi with a gtx30?
ahh cool i know the one henry isnt it?
I'd use mihnea for that for the custom mapping.
Yeah it's Henry
What's wrong with Niki?
The stage 3/4 maps from Revo are very very good imo.
mine is very good alex! maybe apr have just put more into the 2.5tfsi
you decided what your going to use on yours yet?
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Now, your talking a bit more sensibly..........
I mentioned in my first post that you rubbished, re driveability in the lower gears correct. Once your up to speed and in higher gears its not so much an issue. Now I am not a traffic light racer, but these cars are hard to get off the line with big power and smoother mapping will help this. People want WALK and Dogbones, mounts etc to help with launch (and hop), so its not just me who might want to shoe it away every so often
Why would you want a car with massive power that you cant get off the line if you really want to anyway ?
Any grievances I had were with your first response, not your opinion. As you so obviously showed with mine. I actually 'accept' others opinions :wink:
I can accept your opinion, but it's just that, an opinion, v-box data points more towards facts, which shows you are wrong with your opinion.[quote
There you go again,...............V Box data has nothing, and shows nothing to do with driveability.
If a v-box doesnt show driveablility then you must mean driveablility in another regard other than shooting off the line, as at that point I would argue if a v-box doesn't show it, neither will a dyno print out.
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I'd use MRC depending on the engine, but I'm pretty impressed with APR's tuning philosophy, their pro-active customer engagement and their resources. It all depends on the car and your aims.
The focus RS is the green one with pink wheels.
2.0tfsi with a gtx30?
ahh cool i know the one henry isnt it?
I'd use mihnea for that for the custom mapping.
Yeah it's Henry
What's wrong with Niki?
The stage 3/4 maps from Revo are very very good imo.
Nothing it's just that he asked about MRC. From what I can tell if use Mrc, niki or mikko from shark.
Who is writing revo's maps these days?
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who are mihnea
i dont know who are writing the maps.. the garage who built my car said the stage 4 map isnt finished yet and they need to finish the development off with revo so possibly they are writing the new stage 4 map?
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I'd use MRC depending on the engine, but I'm pretty impressed with APR's tuning philosophy, their pro-active customer engagement and their resources. It all depends on the car and your aims.
The focus RS is the green one with pink wheels.
2.0tfsi with a gtx30?
ahh cool i know the one henry isnt it?
I'd use mihnea for that for the custom mapping.
Yeah it's Henry
What's wrong with Niki?
The stage 3/4 maps from Revo are very very good imo.
Nothing it's just that he asked about MRC. From what I can tell if use Mrc, niki or mikko from shark.
Who is writing revo's maps these days?
Dunno who does the main writing. Does that really matter?
The stage 3/4 maps were originally done my Nick iirc.
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who are mihnea
i dont know who are writing the maps.. the garage who built my car said the stage 4 map isnt finished yet and they need to finish the development off with revo so possibly they are writing the new stage 4 map?
Mihnea is part of MRC and writes maps for a lot of tuners on the continent.
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Now, your talking a bit more sensibly..........
I mentioned in my first post that you rubbished, re driveability in the lower gears correct. Once your up to speed and in higher gears its not so much an issue. Now I am not a traffic light racer, but these cars are hard to get off the line with big power and smoother mapping will help this. People want WALK and Dogbones, mounts etc to help with launch (and hop), so its not just me who might want to shoe it away every so often
Why would you want a car with massive power that you cant get off the line if you really want to anyway ?
Any grievances I had were with your first response, not your opinion. As you so obviously showed with mine. I actually 'accept' others opinions :wink:
I can accept your opinion, but it's just that, an opinion, v-box data points more towards facts, which shows you are wrong with your opinion.[quote
There you go again,...............V Box data has nothing, and shows nothing to do with driveability.
If a v-box doesnt show driveablility then you must mean driveablility in another regard other than shooting off the line, as at that point I would argue if a v-box doesn't show it, neither will a dyno print out.
I stand by my original post. Spiky power deliveries mean less driveability (its hard to control the car even modulating the throttle) in the lower gears in all but absolutely perfectly dry and possibly even 'warm' conditions. Its ok on the move, 3rd gear upwards etc as mentioned. Most people who have a Stage 1 Ed30 never mind a 2+ or stage 3 car cant deploy the power available even with controlled throttle, I heard it said too many times for it to be wrong. Now, as side thought here...... I've owned and driven Renaultsport cars with big power that CAN deploy the power (with smooth mapping I might add) without ultra critical throttle modulation, mostly you never see the traction control light and I really mean never, so we could start blaming the Golfs chassis/set up here on a stock car (but I wont since were on a Golf GTI forum ahem :grin: )
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Well there's a big thread on scn on the differences on Revo and APR and the APR isn't as good as I thought lol. Some doubtful numbers as well lol.
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Well there's a big thread on scn on the differences on Revo and APR and the APR isn't as good as I thought lol. Some doubtful numbers as well lol.
You got a link?
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It may be this link.. http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?p=4367412
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Well there's a big thread on scn on the differences on Revo and APR and the APR isn't as good as I thought lol. Some doubtful numbers as well lol.
One APR guy with the latest 3.4 software and making more midrange than the others although needs some better flowing hardware it seems to get some more ontop.
Gotta love how some of the APR users posts got deleted over there :jumping:
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Its quite surprising that a stage 2 car made more power than all the Revo and APR stage 2+ cars as well. Oh well lol.
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Its quite surprising that a stage 2 car made more power than all the Revo and APR stage 2+ cars as well. Oh well lol.
Not really. You are looking at peak figures and not the curve.
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Fair doos. I'm not really that clued up on the ins and outs of it.
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Its quite surprising that a stage 2 car made more power than all the Revo and APR stage 2+ cars as well. Oh well lol.
Don't forget bills was running Meth as well
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One APR guy with the latest 3.4 software and making more midrange than the others although needs some better flowing hardware it seems to get some more ontop.
Gotta love how some of the APR users posts got deleted over there :jumping:
I don't do the whole software argument thing but I was there and the APR car had the same mods as the REVO cars......ITG/Uprated Intercooler etc......
Also reference the thread deletions. They weren't deleted because they were APR users as your suggesting, they were deleted because they were argumentative and not based on any evidence. There were also plenty of REVO users posts deleted too so what does that mean?
Its quite surprising that a stage 2 car made more power than all the Revo and APR stage 2+ cars as well. Oh well lol.
The stage 2 car also had WMI/APR HPFP, APR Intercooler etc fitted and a toyed with Actuator. Sneaky! :happy2: :laugh:
Not really. You are looking at peak figures and not the curve.
^^^^^This! :smiley:
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looks like that badger 5 rr day made a stir then mate lol
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One APR guy with the latest 3.4 software and making more midrange than the others although needs some better flowing hardware it seems to get some more ontop.
Gotta love how some of the APR users posts got deleted over there :jumping:
I don't do the whole software argument thing but I was there and the APR car had the same mods as the REVO cars......ITG/Uprated Intercooler etc......
Also reference the thread deletions. They weren't deleted because they were APR users as your suggesting, they were deleted because they were argumentative and not based on any evidence. There were also plenty of REVO users posts deleted too so what does that mean?
Its quite surprising that a stage 2 car made more power than all the Revo and APR stage 2+ cars as well. Oh well lol.
The stage 2 car also had WMI/APR HPFP, APR Intercooler etc fitted and a toyed with Actuator. Sneaky! :happy2: :laugh:
Not really. You are looking at peak figures and not the curve.
^^^^^This! :smiley:
Will agree the posts got deleted as they got argumentative, but it wasn't just my posts, it was a few people including bill
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One APR guy with the latest 3.4 software and making more midrange than the others although needs some better flowing hardware it seems to get some more ontop.
Gotta love how some of the APR users posts got deleted over there :jumping:
I don't do the whole software argument thing but I was there and the APR car had the same mods as the REVO cars......ITG/Uprated Intercooler etc......
Also reference the thread deletions. They weren't deleted because they were APR users as your suggesting, they were deleted because they were argumentative and not based on any evidence. There were also plenty of REVO users posts deleted too so what does that mean?
Its quite surprising that a stage 2 car made more power than all the Revo and APR stage 2+ cars as well. Oh well lol.
The stage 2 car also had WMI/APR HPFP, APR Intercooler etc fitted and a toyed with Actuator. Sneaky! :happy2: :laugh:
Not really. You are looking at peak figures and not the curve.
^^^^^This! :smiley:
Will agree the posts got deleted as they got argumentative, but it wasn't just my posts, it was a few people including bill
100% agreed and I hope that's how my initial post sounded! :smiley:
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looks like that badger 5 rr day made a stir then mate lol
:laugh: :laugh:
Would've been great if you'd made it pal, can't wait to see that thing run!
:party: :happy2:
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i was gutted i couldnt make it mate.. any plans for anymore ive tryed signing up on seatcupra website the other day but getting problems
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i was gutted i couldnt make it mate.. any plans for anymore ive tryed signing up on seatcupra website the other day but getting problems
No more plans that I know of yet matey, I'll be sure to let you know if I hear of any!
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:happy2:
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One APR guy with the latest 3.4 software and making more midrange than the others although needs some better flowing hardware it seems to get some more ontop.
Gotta love how some of the APR users posts got deleted over there :jumping:
I don't do the whole software argument thing but I was there and the APR car had the same mods as the REVO cars......ITG/Uprated Intercooler etc......
Also reference the thread deletions. They weren't deleted because they were APR users as your suggesting, they were deleted because they were argumentative and not based on any evidence. There were also plenty of REVO users posts deleted too so what does that mean?
Its quite surprising that a stage 2 car made more power than all the Revo and APR stage 2+ cars as well. Oh well lol.
The stage 2 car also had WMI/APR HPFP, APR Intercooler etc fitted and a toyed with Actuator. Sneaky! :happy2: :laugh:
Not really. You are looking at peak figures and not the curve.
^^^^^This! :smiley:
Having the APR pump and fmic isn't an advantage over someone running hpfp internals and a different cooler tho buddy. Having the Meth might have helped but bill said it was purely installed as a cleaning agent more than anything. I suppose he must have set his car up very well.
Isn't chuengys car running all the top toys like meth etc on his??? I thought his was making close to 400bhp.
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I have a mate driving a stage 2+ Revo mapped S3 and another mate APR stage 2+ ed30 DSG and though DSG helps towards winning a race. I say as they are both quite similar the apr ed30 sh*ts all over my mate in his S3 by a car length baring in mind the map i nthe s3 quite aggressive but thats just opinion to the cause hope this helps too
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I have a mate driving a stage 2+ Revo mapped S3 and another mate APR stage 2+ ed30 DSG and though DSG helps towards winning a race. I say as they are both quite similar the apr ed30 sh*ts all over my mate in his S3 by a car length baring in mind the map i nthe s3 quite aggressive but thats just opinion to the cause hope this helps too
ed30 is always a little quicker once rolling compared to an s3
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I have a mate driving a stage 2+ Revo mapped S3 and another mate APR stage 2+ ed30 DSG and though DSG helps towards winning a race. I say as they are both quite similar the apr ed30 sh*ts all over my mate in his S3 by a car length baring in mind the map i nthe s3 quite aggressive but thats just opinion to the cause hope this helps too
ed30 is always a little quicker once rolling compared to an s3
Why? Weight?
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AWD transmission losses once rolling! :happy2:
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AWD transmission losses once rolling! :happy2:
U know the score ;) lol
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AWD transmission losses once rolling! :happy2:
U know the score ;) lol
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yep and weight
i can remember a little while back jonnyc was getting similar speeds up the 1/4 mile with k04 racing a gt30 s3! all though jonnys ed30 was setup very well for back then and light
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http://www.rforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=4486&p=143572#p143572
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A car length isn't a sh*tting on though...