MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Hootz on March 21, 2014, 09:00:29 pm
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Guys
I am pretty new to this. I've had a Mk4 R32 and now had an Ed30 for a year, had it mapped back in August and it's pretty darn good.
However, I do get a fair amount of wheelspin off the line, and sometimes in corners.
What I want to know, is should I should I invest some cash in the Ed30 or cut my losses and spend the c£7k I have on top to fund a tasty M3 or Cayman etc?
Just wondered how well you seasoned modders have these things handling. I would like to do around 5 track days a year and only do 5000miles a year as I don't use the car much during the week.
Just after your thoughts really. Any alternatives to an M3 you can think of?
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1. Stop hoofing it like a nob from traffic lights lol :P
2. What tyres u got?
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The Eddy is a more than capable alternative to a M3 and a well modded one will happily deal with one.
Some bits and bobs to look at to help get alleviate wheel hop are engine mounts, anti lift kit and a decent 4 wheel alignment set up.
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Renaultsport megane 250/265
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Do miss handling of my f1 clio 197 over the ed30 but still to mod it in that department
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A diff would help put the power down better, along with the anti-lift kit, etc mentioned by MC71.
I was amazed the change in useful power delivery a diff gave my old TT/S3 powered mkiv - it went from useless in the wet, to just digging in & getting on with it. This was on a basic '00 1.8t, with no electronic TC, etc...
Didn't have long enough to play with it, as a BMW wrote it off 3 weeks later.
Don't buy a BMW, they're Golf killers!! :signLOL:
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Going to take a lot of money to make any FWD hatch compete with an M car or the Cayman.
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Fit a diff it a massive change to the car
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As above plus ARBs, anti-lift kit and Uprated lowering springs.
Around £2-2.5k fitted and the ED30 will be transformed. If you are flush then Bilstein B16 PSS10's, poly bushing, tyrolsport dead set kit, Superpro lower front arm kit and a big brake kit would be the way to finish it off.
That lot would spend your £7k easily.
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Thanks for the replies guys.
This is the dilemma, £7k creates a massive spec Edition 30. However, capital in the Edition 30 + £7k gets a nice M3 or Cayman. My issue is what to do basically, and at the moment I haven't got a clue.
Edition 30 is stealthy, cheap to run (compared to M Cars or Porsche), and economical really. I am probably more likely to track it over a pristine M3 and think that Caymans maybe have a slightly weak image/ I'm not sure I like the styling hugely.
Anyone had an e46 M3 and moved to a GTi?
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The Eddy is a more than capable alternative to a M3 and a well modded one will happily deal with one.
Some bits and bobs to look at to help get alleviate wheel hop are engine mounts, anti lift kit and a decent 4 wheel alignment set up.
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Really? I find it hard to believe it would "deal" with a 420 hp 400 nm rear wheel drive M3. It might keep up in a straight line but on the track (where the OP says he wants to use it) I can't see it.
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At Stage 2+ my old ED30 was more than a match for an E46 CSL on track and kept up easily with E90 M3. This was at the Nurburgring. It had semi-slicks, LSD, Bilsteins, ARBs, WALK etc.
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1. Stop hoofing it like a nob from traffic lights lol :P
2. What tyres u got?
Ha! Rubbish Bridgestones, going to get some Michelin PSS on it in the next couple of weeks, so I'll see how I go on those.
Would probably be an e46 M3, not the V8 as much as I would like one.
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1. Stop hoofing it like a nob from traffic lights lol :P
2. What tyres u got?
Ha! Rubbish Bridgestones, going to get some Michelin PSS on it in the next couple of weeks, so I'll see how I go on those.
Would probably be an e46 M3, not the V8 as much as I would like one.
Hahahah they defo won't help lol
I'll be getting a diff, arbs and springs (coilovers if I can afford it) soon
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At Stage 2+ my old ED30 was more than a match for an E46 CSL on track and kept up easily with E90 M3. This was at the Nurburgring. It had semi-slicks, LSD, Bilsteins, ARBs, WALK etc.
Would love to of seen that! A de limited e90 M3 will do close to 200mph :driver: what's the top end of a stage 2+ eddy?
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Progression come to mind?..
Work out what else yo could get from an eddy with other extras that haven't yet been mentioned such as fitting R32 4WD system and also the cost of fitting this..
Then if that uses the 7k or more then start saving for a big turbo kit and necessaries to install after that?.. easy 450+BHP with the 4WD system?
Much bigger project and more money i know but what your getting in return and also having something different to any other Golf GTI/Ed30 and a sleeper compared to any M3 then when you pull up next to one and leave it... All fun and games.
Just injecting some other possibilities into the pipeline :)
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At Stage 2+ my old ED30 was more than a match for an E46 CSL on track and kept up easily with E90 M3. This was at the Nurburgring. It had semi-slicks, LSD, Bilsteins, ARBs, WALK etc.
Would love to of seen that! A de limited e90 M3 will do close to 200mph :driver: what's the top end of a stage 2+ eddy?
Not on the Nurburgring it won't. :wink: the Eddy showed 180mph on the speedo, but was 168 on the GPS.
Quick vid. CSL at 1'20" :wink:
http://vimeo.com/11100503
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At Stage 2+ my old ED30 was more than a match for an E46 CSL on track and kept up easily with E90 M3. This was at the Nurburgring. It had semi-slicks, LSD, Bilsteins, ARBs, WALK etc.
Would love to of seen that! A de limited e90 M3 will do close to 200mph :driver: what's the top end of a stage 2+ eddy?
Not on the Nurburgring it won't. :wink: the Eddy showed 180mph on the speedo, but was 168 on the GPS.
Quick vid. CSL at 1'20" :wink:
http://vimeo.com/11100503
That really makes me wana take my car on the track lol
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At Stage 2+ my old ED30 was more than a match for an E46 CSL on track and kept up easily with E90 M3. This was at the Nurburgring. It had semi-slicks, LSD, Bilsteins, ARBs, WALK etc.
Would love to of seen that! A de limited e90 M3 will do close to 200mph :driver: what's the top end of a stage 2+ eddy?
Not on the Nurburgring it won't. :wink: the Eddy showed 180mph on the speedo, but was 168 on the GPS.
Quick vid. CSL at 1'20" :wink:
http://vimeo.com/11100503
That really makes me wana take my car on the track lol
Looks like not just a CSL. e92 M3, 911, various other VAGs...amazing car. I would like to have something different to the normal 'M3' doing the rounds.
Ok, so my question leads on....
How to spend the first £2k?
BBK, ARB, LSD, Coils?
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ARBS first, then BBK then LSD then coilies.
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ARBS first, then BBK then LSD then coilies.
You really think brakes before LSD mate???
Obv not worth having all the power if you can't stop, but no point having all the power if you can't put it down properly.
It probably depends how quickly the op plans on taking it on the track, if its sooner rather than later, then yeah brakes first probs does seem right
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^ stopping is more important than going though tbh.
Stock GTI brakes aren't fantastic :sad1:
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^ stopping is more important than going though tbh.
Stock GTI brakes aren't fantastic :sad1:
I know mate, that's what I said at the end...lol
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I debated that long and hard before posting. ARBs made the single most effective difference to handling and as a result you realise that you need to upgrade the brakes! :wink:
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I debated that long and hard before posting. ARBs made the single most effective difference to handling and as a result you realise that you need to upgrade the brakes! :wink:
Hahahah well put mate :P
So arbs and then brakes, sorted boss
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At Stage 2+ my old ED30 was more than a match for an E46 CSL on track and kept up easily with E90 M3. This was at the Nurburgring. It had semi-slicks, LSD, Bilsteins, ARBs, WALK etc.
Would love to of seen that! A de limited e90 M3 will do close to 200mph :driver: what's the top end of a stage 2+ eddy?
Not on the Nurburgring it won't. :wink: the Eddy showed 180mph on the speedo, but was 168 on the GPS.
Quick vid. CSL at 1'20" :wink:
http://vimeo.com/11100503
That's awesome! You smoked some serious motors! Wonder how much of it is down to the driver and you having the balls/skill to drive like that and others don't?
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Ask Greeners on here. He'd probably say I take an OD of brave pills when I drive on track. That was about an 8 or 9/10th's lap as I had a passenger. I only REALLY push it when I'm in the car on my own.
To get back on topic though. The MKV is a great fwd platform to build on and is very chuckable on track. If you go for full suspension mods it is an unreal car to use on track.
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It would by easier to get mk5 r32 and turbo kit for 550 bhp+...
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It would by easier to get mk5 r32 and turbo kit for 550 bhp+...
You could, but then you'd still need the handling mods! :wink:
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If the OP can afford a Cayman he should go drive one and see if he still has a problem with its image afterwards. I'd bet he doesn't. :driver:
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So ARBs then first off. H&R or Autotech? Also thinking some engine mounts would be a good idea. So ARBs and Mounts should be ordered and fitted soon.
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And a Anti Lift Kit IMO, Superpro or Whiteline, both around £170 plus fitting.
ARBS, H&R are a good choice, I have the Autotech and their bracket/bushes aren't very good so you'd be best to add a Superpro bush/bracket to both ARBS, another £100 ish on top of the £450 for the ARBS. IIRC H&R ones are less than £400 and their bushes are ok.
Engine mounts, Vibra-Technics. At least the lower engine mount and Dogbone bush, around £200. Add another £350 for side mounts plus fitting. Don't think THS do side mounts anymore.
You'll also need a decent fast road 4 wheel geometry set up.
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And a Anti Lift Kit IMO, Superpro or Whiteline, both around £170 plus fitting.
ARBS, H&R are a good choice, I have the Autotech and their bracket/bushes aren't very good so you'd be best to add a Superpro bush/bracket to both ARBS, another £100 ish on top of the £450 for the ARBS. IIRC H&R ones are less than £400 and their bushes are ok.
Engine mounts, Vibra-Technics. At least the lower engine mount and Dogbone bush, around £200. Add another £350 for side mounts plus fitting. Don't think THS do side mounts anymore.
You'll also need a decent fast road 4 wheel geometry set up.
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Think i'll go H&R and these will be my first upgrades, will chuck an anti-lift kit in there too.
Regarding engine mounts, all the reviews on here say they increase noise and vibrations alot. Anyone got any experience on this? The car still needs to be used daily and for the odd long trip, so I don't want anything too over-bearing.
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Any advice on building a track car, I'd be instantly looking at Hurdy's advice.
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There are plenty who have gone further than me with their GTI's.
It all depends on how far you want to go.
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nice driving hurdy
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Ok, so I got my bonus through at work, seems the business did ok last year. As a result I have £1500 disposable income to blow on the car. :driver:
Advice seems to be ARBs and SALK first, and this would make sense to me. Seeing as H&R ARBs are c£350 and SALK is £166, what else should I be looking at doing with the remaining c£1000?
I would say a BBK, AKS 340mm Aston Martin kit for £1200. However, I only have the OEM Pescaras which I believe these wouldn't fit under!?!?! Does this mean I should be looking at some TD Pro Race and some nice sticky tyres as a next step?
Forgive my noobiness.
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I would be buying coilovers personally, then you can fit everything and get it all tracked up rather than do it again 3 months down the line
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Ok, so I got my bonus through at work, seems the business did ok last year. As a result I have £1500 disposable income to blow on the car. :driver:
Advice seems to be ARBs and SALK first, and this would make sense to me. Seeing as H&R ARBs are c£350 and SALK is £166, what else should I be looking at doing with the remaining c£1000?
I would say a BBK, AKS 340mm Aston Martin kit for £1200. However, I only have the OEM Pescaras which I believe these wouldn't fit under!?!?! Does this mean I should be looking at some TD Pro Race and some nice sticky tyres as a next step?
Forgive my noobiness.
Shweeeeet!
The Aston BBK looks the nuts, if I didn't already have a BBK I'd have them on my car now! If you want to keep your Pescara's then just get some 10mm spacers, more than enough room for a BBK or get new wheels. TD's are light and look great (who dosnt like TD's), I went for BBS VZ's for the OEM Pescara look but with 13mm more room inside for a BBK.