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Title: Wheel fitment
Post by: Karl_mac_ on March 24, 2014, 04:32:14 pm
I've asked this in the sticky at the top of the page but don't think people can see it.

Looking at changing my wheels to 3SDM 0.05, If I run 8.5 x 18" fronts with 225/40 and 9.5 x 18" rears with 235/40,  lowered on eibach springs, am I likely to run into problems?

Do i need to keep the rear offset between 40-45?
Title: Re: Wheel fitment
Post by: George10 on March 24, 2014, 04:47:43 pm
A few people have ran this fitment static. I'm running similar specs to these but I'm on air. The rears tend to stick out quite a bit when raised but if you don't mind Cambering them that'll sort it.

How low are you going?

If you wanna see what that look like take a look on my thread

Also if run 215's on the front and rear.
Title: Re: Wheel fitment
Post by: Karl_mac_ on March 24, 2014, 08:55:51 pm
A few people have ran this fitment static. I'm running similar specs to these but I'm on air. The rears tend to stick out quite a bit when raised but if you don't mind Cambering them that'll sort it.

How low are you going?

If you wanna see what that look like take a look on my thread

Also if run 215's on the front and rear.

I'm running -30mm eibach springs now, not looking to really go much lower as this is supposed to be my daily for transporting my newborn due next month.

If I run 9.5 on the rear, and get the rears rolled will that solve rubbing problems?
Title: Re: Wheel fitment
Post by: George10 on March 24, 2014, 10:04:39 pm
There isn't a lip to roll at the rears. You're better off trying to get them pulled.

Depending how low you want to go you can make it work. I'm running 215-35-19, give you a lot more space between the arch and the tyre.

This is how mine sits at the rear... 19x9.5 et 40

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fa542%2Fgeorgeus1%2F5208DA5C-C265-4D83-A6D7-F4666BE58052_zps72luvrdb.jpg&hash=3754bbdb3c2cd767e368a33fd97c07303927c52f)

My arch sits between the rim and tyre
Title: Re: Wheel fitment
Post by: xjay1337 on March 25, 2014, 12:52:14 am

Everyone can see the post but not everyone has time to reply .. like me!  :P

Yes you will run into problems with your planned tyre sizes.

Pretty sure I mentioned in the guide about running a 8.5 et 40-something and that 225/40 would rub... you want 205/40s (only Yokohama s drives or Michelin pilot supersports are good tyres in this size) or 215/35 which gives you more tyre choice but then the problem is your car has to be stupidly low for it to look right.

And on the rear you need 225/40.

the 3sdms are very common and a lot of people run them and nearly always run 205/40 and 225/40 retrospectively.

Not withstanding that different tyres run different widths, I have 215/35 sessantas on my mercedes wheels and yet there's still a rim protector, a friend has the same tyre size but Falkens instead of vredesteins and you can see between his tyre and lip.

To be honest on eibach springs (30mm drop over standard SE height which would be about 10-15mm on a GTI) having such wide wheels would look odd! Especially if they are prokits which are listed as 30mm drop? or you on sportlines.. :)
Title: Re: Wheel fitment
Post by: Karl_mac_ on March 25, 2014, 09:45:46 am

Everyone can see the post but not everyone has time to reply .. like me!  :P

Yes you will run into problems with your planned tyre sizes.

Pretty sure I mentioned in the guide about running a 8.5 et 40-something and that 225/40 would rub... you want 205/40s (only Yokohama s drives or Michelin pilot supersports are good tyres in this size) or 215/35 which gives you more tyre choice but then the problem is your car has to be stupidly low for it to look right.

And on the rear you need 225/40.

the 3sdms are very common and a lot of people run them and nearly always run 205/40 and 225/40 retrospectively.

Not withstanding that different tyres run different widths, I have 215/35 sessantas on my mercedes wheels and yet there's still a rim protector, a friend has the same tyre size but Falkens instead of vredesteins and you can see between his tyre and lip.

To be honest on eibach springs (30mm drop over standard SE height which would be about 10-15mm on a GTI) having such wide wheels would look odd! Especially if they are prokits which are listed as 30mm drop? or you on sportlines.. :)

Thanks for your reply!

Ultimately I need practicality as this is my daily bus  (as mentioned above), i'd only got my eye on the 3SDM's as i really like the style. I'm sure my current rears are 9.5 with a 235 on and that already seems like a lot of stretch to me, not sure I'd be comfortable running much more.

Think I'll just keep my eyes peeled for a set of four 8.5s, run them on 225s (or 215s if they don't look daft).

Thanks for the help guys!
Title: Re: Wheel fitment
Post by: xjay1337 on March 25, 2014, 09:57:18 am
You'll still have problem with 225s at the front though...
Title: Re: Wheel fitment
Post by: Karl_mac_ on March 25, 2014, 11:36:36 am
You'll still have problem with 225s at the front though...

But screw mod/rolled arches should kill this off? I'm running 225 presently and it doesn't cause *too* many problems. My main worry is the rears when I start carrying round pram/seat and all the other baby related ancillaries.
Title: Re: Wheel fitment
Post by: George10 on March 25, 2014, 12:26:21 pm
225-40 on the rear is still too Much tyre.

If you're looking for 8.5 all around id run 215's
Title: Re: Wheel fitment
Post by: xjay1337 on March 25, 2014, 12:29:37 pm
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftyrestretch.com%2F9.5_225_40_R18%2F9.5_225_40_R18_4.jpg&hash=68dcfbf195cf3eafab69dd513fcfecc9b491a0d5)

Really?
too much tyre - on a family daily driver you're just asking for trouble from the law.
Title: Re: Wheel fitment
Post by: George10 on March 25, 2014, 12:34:55 pm
What et is that wheel?

My mate bought stu's 3sdm's which were 9.5 rear with 225's, I test fitted them And the tyre sat past my arch so I bought 215's
Title: Re: Wheel fitment
Post by: jaffa on March 25, 2014, 12:41:28 pm
225-40 on the rear is still too Much tyre.

If you're looking for 8.5 all around id run 215's

225/40 on the rear is fine i only have 1 passenger in the back and it never rubs and you'll be higher than me by a long way with springs

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi929.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fad140%2Fjaffa_2010%2F2013-04%2F9122810f-a8dd-4d54-8795-cf4d8b422b2b_zps36101cfc.jpg&hash=0ce0bea6878927e8eac254262f379b91e352a3cc) (http://s929.photobucket.com/user/jaffa_2010/media/2013-04/9122810f-a8dd-4d54-8795-cf4d8b422b2b_zps36101cfc.jpg.html)

if i wanted to go lower id go for a 225/35 but my driveway stops me  :sad1:
Title: Re: Wheel fitment
Post by: Karl_mac_ on March 25, 2014, 12:51:49 pm
225-40 on the rear is still too Much tyre.

If you're looking for 8.5 all around id run 215's

225/40 on the rear is fine i only have 1 passenger in the back and it never rubs and you'll be higher than me by a long way with springs

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi929.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fad140%2Fjaffa_2010%2F2013-04%2F9122810f-a8dd-4d54-8795-cf4d8b422b2b_zps36101cfc.jpg&hash=0ce0bea6878927e8eac254262f379b91e352a3cc) (http://s929.photobucket.com/user/jaffa_2010/media/2013-04/9122810f-a8dd-4d54-8795-cf4d8b422b2b_zps36101cfc.jpg.html)

if i wanted to go lower id go for a 225/35 but my driveway stops me  :sad1:

That looks pretty good. Is that 9.5 on 225s?  I guess your running some major lows on coilovers?

This weekend i'm taking off the wheels to work out exactly whats currently fitted (bought the car already modded), looking at the comments above I'm convinced its my 225/40s that are rubbing and not my 235 rears as previously thought.
Title: Re: Wheel fitment
Post by: jaffa on March 25, 2014, 12:56:37 pm
yeah I'm currently on fk coilovers  with 225/40 on the 9.5 and around 3.5 degrees of camber

At the very least you should run 215/40 on the fronts  :happy2:
Title: Re: Wheel fitment
Post by: stuart-88 on March 25, 2014, 01:03:44 pm
I had 225/40's on mine as George said, rears not much of a problem but the fronts were just a ball ache. Even when I had my arches rolled and flared. More stretch/less tyre wall needed to get it sat good.
Title: Re: Wheel fitment
Post by: Karl_mac_ on March 25, 2014, 01:13:10 pm
I had 225/40's on mine as George said, rears not much of a problem but the fronts were just a ball ache. Even when I had my arches rolled and flared. More stretch/less tyre wall needed to get it sat good.

Looking at your sig has made me more determined to get some  :grin:

So, i've had a look on tyrestretch and even 215 on 8.5 looks pretty gnarly, is that still pretty safe or will I into problems.

I thought the standard 18s were 8.5 by the way, i take it this is not the case?
Title: Re: Wheel fitment
Post by: xjay1337 on March 25, 2014, 01:31:28 pm
Why don't you just run 205/40s for the fronts like I suggested and avoid the problem all together  :sad1: :sad1:
Title: Re: Wheel fitment
Post by: Karl_mac_ on March 25, 2014, 01:38:02 pm
Why don't you just run 205/40s for the fronts like I suggested and avoid the problem all together  :sad1: :sad1:

I think thats probably what i'll end up doing. Just a little concerned about the about of stretch, some pics it looks fine but on others it looks pretty extreme. I'm worried mainly because roads around sheffield are appalling and I don't want to hit a pothole and mash a wheel/tyre.

So, to summarise. 9.5 on the rear is fine, but may require some compromises on tyre sizes?
Title: Re: Wheel fitment
Post by: George10 on March 25, 2014, 02:17:19 pm
@jaffa you've got camber, I was on about a standard fit they'd sit too wide.  I mentioned Cambering the rears.

So if you have more than one passenger it rubs?

 215's on the front all day long. 205 would be fine but you said you didn't want too much stretch.
Title: Re: Wheel fitment
Post by: jaffa on March 25, 2014, 02:21:42 pm
Iv never had 2 people in the back with these wheels on lol

Iv got another 4 sets of wheels with different specs so they are never on long enough
Title: Re: Wheel fitment
Post by: xjay1337 on March 25, 2014, 02:22:07 pm
Why don't you just run 205/40s for the fronts like I suggested and avoid the problem all together  :sad1: :sad1:

I think thats probably what i'll end up doing. Just a little concerned about the about of stretch, some pics it looks fine but on others it looks pretty extreme. I'm worried mainly because roads around sheffield are appalling and I don't want to hit a pothole and mash a wheel/tyre.

So, to summarise. 9.5 on the rear is fine, but may require some compromises on tyre sizes?

To be honest if you're "worried about (a bit) of stretch" then find a different set of wheels because they won't fit without putting the particular tyre sizes on that are mentioned.
Title: Re: Wheel fitment
Post by: George10 on March 25, 2014, 02:27:26 pm
Iv never had 2 people in the back with these wheels on lol

Iv got another 4 sets of wheels with different specs so they are never on long enough

Fair enough.

Running 9.5 on the rear looks good but you need the lows to go with it.

 He's better off going 8.5 all round.
Title: Re: Wheel fitment
Post by: jaffa on March 25, 2014, 02:35:43 pm
Yeah defo need lows for wide wheels