MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Greeners on October 30, 2009, 09:07:31 am
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Golf R and Scirocco R roll out for ordering
28 Oct 09
1353-09
The Golf R 2.0 TSI 270PS 4Motion and Scirocco R 2.0 TSI 265PS 2WD open for ordering on Friday 30 October. As we expect production volumes for 2010 to be approximately 500 cars, these cars will only be available for sold customer orders.
Ordering process
There is a new ordering process for the new R models. By ensuring production allocation is assigned to retailers that have signed customer orders we will minimise delivery delays.
* Fax a copy of the signed customer order to 01908 489575. Orders received without a customer signature will NOT be processed
* The allocations are available in line with your Golf Mk6 and Scirocco quotas
* We will contact each Retailer within 48 hours with the commission number(s) by telephone
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To ensure the fairest and most equitable process, the first two weeks’ orders will be collated before being placed with the Factory. You will not be contacted until after the initial two-week period. We will then confirm if your order has been successfully placed. Please manage your customers' expectations accordingly
* Each Retailer then has a 48 hour period to check (and query) the specification
Initial launch cars have been ordered and will be allocated shortly. Current production forecasts indicate that the first customer deliveries will be able to take place from March 2010. Please make sure customers are aware of the long lead times for these vehicles.
The UK test drive of the Scirocco R has already occured and there will be reports in the press from early November. The Golf R UK test drives are scheduled to occur in late November and we expect the reports to appear in the press from early January 2010.
In this bulletin you will find:
Overview
Golf R pricing
Scirocco R pricing
Technical specification, upholstery and paint colours
Golf R and Scirocco R up close
Golf R
Scirocco R
The new R models have higher levels of specification than those found on the previous range-topping models, the Golf GTI and Scirocco GT. This includes:
* 18-inch Talladega alloy wheels
* Bi-xenon headlights
* LED daytime running lights
* Unmistakable R-model bumpers and side skirts
Inside, the R models have distinctive Piano Black and Silver Lane inserts, with contrast stitching and eye-catching Kyalami cloth upholstery, putting the cabins in a different league to those of their competitors.
Golf R standard interior
Scirocco R standard interior
For an even more premium feel, optional leather upholstery is expected to be popular on both models, and Recaro part-leather sports seats can be specified on the Golf R.
Golf R optional leather seats
Scirocco R optional leather seats
Customers can opt for 19-inch Talladega alloys on both models. These can also be ordered in black on the Golf R. :drool:
Where 19-inch alloys (either black or silver) are ordered on Golf, they will also be fitted with black headlight surrounds.
For full specification, see the price lists: Golf R, click here. Scirocco R, click here. These models will be live on volkswagen.co.uk on Friday 30 October.
For a comparison of engine specification and paint and upholstery combinations, see table below.
Golf R only: optional Talledega 19-inch alloys in black
Golf R and Scirocco R: optional 19-inch Talladega alloys
Technical information, upholstery, paint and price
Golf R
Scirocco R
Technical information
Transmission
6spd man or 6spd DSG
6spd man or 6spd DSG
Wheels Driven
4Motion
2WD with XDS
Engine Size
2.0 TSI (1984cc)
2.0 TSI (1984cc)
Power
270PS at 6,000rpm
265PS at 6,000rpm
Torque
258lbs ft/350Nm at 2500rpm
258lbs ft/350Nm at 2500rpm
Unladen weight
1521kg (man) / 1541kg (DSG)
1419kg (man) / 1439kg (DSG)
0-62mph
5.7secs (man) / 5.5secs (DSG)
6.0secs (man) / 5.8secs (DSG)
Top speed
155mph
155mph
CO2 g/km
199 (man) / 195 (DSG)
189 (man) / 187 (DSG)
MPG urban
23.9 (man) / 25.2 (DSG)
25.0 (man) / 25.9 (DSG)
MPG extra urban
42.2 (man) / 41.5 (DSG)
45.6 (man) / 44.8 (DSG)
MPG combined
33.2 (man) / 33.6 (DSG)
34.9 (man) / 35.3 (DSG)
Upholstery
Kyalami Cloth
Standard
Standard
Anthracite Vienna Leather
Optional
Optional
Recaro Part Leather
Optional
Paint
B4 Candy White
No-cost option
No-cost option
G2 Tornado Red
No-cost option
8E Reflex Silver
Optional
Optional
4C Rising Blue
Optional
Optional
P6 Shadow Blue
Optional
X6 Steel Grey
Optional
6B Viper Green
Optional
W9 Blue Graphite
Optional
2T Deep Black
Optional
Optional
Pricing
From £28,930
From £26,945
Golf R up close
Recaro seats: optional on Golf R
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Great info, Nath! :happy2:
It seems that getting a test drive will be impossible as they'll only be supplied per customer order. :sad1:
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Well I have spec'd mine = £34090
Winter pack isnt cheap @ £330, thought it was much cheaper than this on the mk5.
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There will be dealer demonstrators but seems like there will be few and far between.
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ive just done my car! golf r!
£35k
Dsg, 3 door, met paint, winter and lux pack, recaros, hill hold, rcd510 with camera
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btw...the VAT will probably be going back up! awesome! :( not
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Apologies some of the text didn't cut and paste to well! :ashamed:
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its still work able, i guess the columns didnt go down too well! lol
With the tax increase, ive just read on the site, that orders placed from before Nov30th will have a 2.5% discount if the car is delivered between 1st jan 2010 and 28th feb 2010.
fair does, but i dont think many golf Rs will be delivered before feb 28th!!!!! what a joke!
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btw...the VAT will probably be going back up! awesome! :( not
It is going up on the 1st of Jan so these prices will increase by 2.5% :surprised:
Mine would have been £37,515.00 (so nearly £38,500 after the new vat), as much as I love the idea of the Golf R, it not worth over £20k more than mine :chicken:
So bring on some more mods for mine instead :evilgrin:
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£34880 and thats without nav which i would fit after but tis a lot of monies
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I tried be sensible at £34k - leaving off the Nav, Sunroof and Recaro's - otherwise I could see a smidge under £40k coming out.
I know its a Golf but surely this is pricing it out the market...
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mines with recaros and dsg but even that price has priced itself out of the market completely!
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yep, completely outa the market.
Its going only be for people who reaaally want a Golf R. maybe there are enough people to meet there quotas. If so, they make money and they create a Hot, sought after, rare car!
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I think if I wanted one I'd wait for a decent two year old car and get one then. :happy2:
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Think I'll be in the same boat - a couple of years and the Mk6 might have grown on me too!!! :grin:
DAn
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yep, completely outa the market.
Its going only be for people who reaaally want a Golf R. maybe there are enough people to meet there quotas. If so, they make money and they create a Hot, sought after, rare car!
^ That's a contradiction: Not outa the market when there are people who will buy it - Those who reeeeally want it. I know I would.
Factor in the currency exchanges and upwards spiral of manufacturing costs.
Compare with the Mitsi: The RallyArt (or whatever it's called) is equivalent to the Golf but the Evo X (loaded version) is equivalent to the Golf R. Both Mitsi's are similarly priced to the two Golfs but they have the same base engine.
I think the Golf R will be a superb car but that all that most people here are saying is that they'd love one but either can't afford it or can't justify spending the money < Nothing wrong in that.
I like Nathan's idea of buying a 2yo though I'd be more tempted by a 1yo and it would absolutely have to meet ALL my spec of red, cloth Recaros, DSG, sunshine roof, etc - Fat chance!
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VW configurator only shows the R as having Leather Recaros as an option and no cloth recaros :confused:
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sorry robin, i meant priced themselves out of the market of "people who want a hot hatch"
more so now in the market of "people who want a hot vw golf r hatch"
i just hope that market is big enough. I dont think VW need any lessons in making money though, they are probably the best out there! lol
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VW configurator only shows the R as having Leather Recaros as an option and no cloth recaros :confused:
your right on that, and £3k+ OUCH!
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VW configurator only shows the R as having Leather Recaros as an option and no cloth recaros :confused:
your right on that, and £3k+ OUCH!
....I know a very good car upholsterer so I'd change the centres to cloth. Would add even more cost though!
Weren't the leather Recaros about £3k as a factory option on the Mk5? Still very expensive!
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Ive just spent 10 minutes on the phone to my dealer, and am in the process of cancelling my order. Like has been said, my spec, which didn't include nav and leather was still £350000, however I would have added leather to make it easier to sell. That is just a ridiculous price for a Golf, understand if it had the TTRS engine, but its a 2.0TFSI engine, of which I have in my ED30. So like Steve said, its not worth £20k more than my current car, so I will be staying put.
Bear in mind, people will also be ordering these cars prior to a test drive - What if they are as numb as the S3 - BAD purchase.
So for that reason IM OUT!
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WOW £350,000 :laugh:
I can see you point, its not been developed as a 'special' once in a life time car - its the replacement to the R32 but as good price hike - and like you say its an S3 in a Golf coat. So yes people will buy them I have no doubt but are they really 'worth' that much of a premium - and it doesnt even have the GTI badge :P
Buy a 1yo Mk6 GTI, KO4 it and you almost there bar the 4motion.
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Bar the 4-mo is a BIIIIG bar!
id rather buy a newish r32 and charge it! get some crazy mk6 mods on there, surely it would be cheaper to build your own turbo charged mk5 r32 and turn it into a mk6! lol
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say what you like about special cars having a premium
but wiping the backside of £38.000.00 for a VW Golf?!?
i can think of better ways to buy scene points :chicken:
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I have just specced on one up and its nearly touching £40k! :surprised: You can have a lovely second hand E92 M3, RS4 or 911 for that, WTF VW!? :stupid:
And with this little beast rumoured to be coming very soon potential Golf R / Scirocco R owners may be best to wait. 2.5 litre, 335 BHP and 4WD with prices expected to start 35K! In the words of Very Cherry, Nyom Nyom Nyom :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
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how wide is that front left wheel...
anyway, yes the 4motion is a big bar but only if you really need it...
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I can understand all the comments about £35k - £40k for a GOLF, but looking at the performance in isolation against my previous 911:-
911 cost £60k - £70k v Golf £30k - £40k
911 bhp 285 v Golf 265
911 0-60 5.4s v Golf 5.5s (DSG)
911 top speed 173mph v Golf 155mph (prob limited)
All in all, quite good value for money for a performance car.
You just need to get over the stigma that VW Golfs shouldn't cost over £30k - after all they're making in roads into higher performance figures.
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I have just specced on one up and its nearly touching £40k! :surprised: You can have a lovely second hand E92 M3, RS4 or 911 for that, WTF VW!? :stupid:
....But a M3 doesn't provide the accommodation that a Golf hatchback does (especially 5-door), the RS4 is a large family saloon, and the 911 is a glorious 2-seater sports car. The Golf offers what none of those cars do.
As for the expected new RS3 - What will a 5-door Sportback cost? And will it really look as good in the rest of its body styling as the front view does - Audi don't seem to be able to design anything exciting beyond the front on their 3 and 4 series.
I love the front of that blue RS3 but the sides and rear are unfortunately bound to be bland.
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I suppose in a way its a shame the Edition30 came with the S3 engine so making this nothing so - how should I put it .. unseen??
RR, I dont think anyone is going to convince you otherwise and I doubt they are trying to - just looking at the majority most are of the opinion its quite a lot for what it is. Not that we all wouldnt take one in a heart beat.
The RS4 offers more - family wagon and a V8 :wink:
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1540+kgs!!!!!! And that's for a 3dr I assume too. So 5dr DSG Golf R will be touching 1600kgs :surprised: :surprised: :surprised:
That's frankly laughable, especially as VW were quoted as saying it was going to be a good deal lighter than the existing R32.. Errrrrr.... Doesn't look like it.. :confused:
I'm bordering on being embarrassed to be a VW owner in regards to this car with it's weight and frankly ridiculous pricing. Imagine the laughs that the owners of other hot hatch marques will be having on their forums.. :grin:
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1540+kgs!!!!!! And that's for a 3dr I assume too. So 5dr DSG Golf R will be touching 1600kgs :surprised: :surprised: :surprised:
That's frankly laughable, especially as VW were quoted as saying it was going to be a good deal lighter than the existing R32.. Errrrrr.... Doesn't look like it.. :confused:
I'm bordering on being embarrassed to be a VW owner in regards to this car with it's weight and frankly ridiculous pricing. Imagine the laughs that the owners of other hot hatch marques will be having on their forums.. :grin:
Ben there is more to life than quarter mile sprints you know. :grin:
I think its disappointing that it is not targeted at a wider catchment of Golf enthusiasts, but VW know exactly the type of person who will by this, you can tell just by the styling and colour choices, who they are targeting and i am afraid chaps its not us lot.
I noticed just before the recession that every other car on the roads was worth 30+ :chicken: i was simply amazed and wondering who all these people where who had all this wonga. Dont forget this car was in the making well before the recession, so i think VW at the time knew they could shift lots of these. I reckon they have scaled down production numbers somewhat and this alone would mean the price going up.
We are all just going to have to tune into Jonny's build thread when he gets one. :pomppomp: :popcornsoda:
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1540+kgs!!!!!! And that's for a 3dr I assume too. So 5dr DSG Golf R will be touching 1600kgs :surprised: :surprised: :surprised:
That's frankly laughable, especially as VW were quoted as saying it was going to be a good deal lighter than the existing R32.. Errrrrr.... Doesn't look like it.. :confused:
I'm bordering on being embarrassed to be a VW owner in regards to this car with it's weight and frankly ridiculous pricing.
Imagine the laughs that the owners of other hot hatch marques will be having on their forums.. :grin:
....But Ben, you're looking at it only from the point of view of power-to-weight numbers < Nothing wrong in you doing that but you are one of a tiny minority who considers the weight of a car - Most GTI/Ed30/Golf/Scirocco owners don't have a clue what their car weighs and they don't care two figs.
The Golf R is a true allrounder and a compact size. Yes, there are plenty of other cars to buy for similar money but they may not suit what someone needs.
Who cares what a bunch of guys on this or any other car forum think if you drive a Golf R anyway. If you had the money available to afford one (perhaps you have) and you liked the car, why would anything else matter? Look, I'm in my 60's and drive a very obviously modded GTI with LED DRL's and stickers etc on it but I don't care what anyone thinks - I just enjoy it and I enjoy sharing with you guys because you are all very tolerant.
I think that the Golf R will be considered by some to be a very classy motor to be seen in - Partly because it's not cheap and so it becomes more exclusive.
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ADDENDA: I've just seen that TC has posted a similar response to mine.
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Probably didn't explain myself very well with that last post (still suffering from the shock of the pricing I guess :grin:)..
Totally agree with you TC (and Red) as it's all about aiming it at the right market, not some DC racing outlaw that like Santa Pod to much :grin:. But believe it or not, i'm not really refering to the power/weight as such. But more on the original quote from VW saying that they have ditched the V6 and gone for a lighter 2.0T to save on weight etc (and more importantly emissions obviously) so it will weigh in at a fair amount less than the R32, when it clearly doesn't.
We all know that the R32's biggest problem was that it was pie eating champion of the Hot hatches :wink:. Even though it was still a great all rounder.
VW have never been renowned for producing lighweight 1/4 mile cars, that's for sure. I just think that the executive comfy cruiser market that they appear to be targeting is just wrong. Especially when it is going to cost more than it's more executive cousin the S3..
All IMO of course :wink:
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Ok what is it with this qtr mile crap :stupid: its not a qtr mile car and its never going to be unless u pull every bit of comfort out of it and start modding it to death. if u want a qtr mile car then buy something light to start with like a bug and bolt a turbo on and get the mtr built up and you should get under 10s if you do a good job on it :smiley:. The golf is and always will be a good all round car pure and simple not a drag car :rolleye:
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I think its disappointing that it is not targeted at a wider catchment of Golf enthusiasts
That I think sums it up pretty well I suppose
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I think its disappointing that it is not targeted at a wider catchment of Golf enthusiasts
That I think sums it up pretty well I suppose
....I think it sums it up very well too. However, I won't be holding my breath waiting for VW or VAG to deliver.
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Y dunt Yu all Jus getz a well kewl focus RS fingy? dey iz well cool innit!
well cheepa dan a Golf R
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Yea i luv dat RS fing too ! ..................................... not
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haha...sorry couldnt resist!
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Yea i luv dat RS fing too ! ..................................... not
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^ No-brainer, innit! He ain't got proppa DRL's :evilgrin:
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Ok what is it with this qtr mile crap :stupid: its not a qtr mile car and its never going to be unless u pull every bit of comfort out of it and start modding it to death. if u want a qtr mile car then buy something light to start with like a bug and bolt a turbo on and get the mtr built up and you should get under 10s if you do a good job on it :smiley:. The golf is and always will be a good all round car pure and simple not a drag car :rolleye:
Matt if you read my last post i'm not on about 1/4 mile. I'm merely trying to point out that although VW aren't renowned for building ultra lightweight hatches (that's for sure), to make the R weigh in at nearly 1600kgs can't be ideal for a fun handling, enjoyable hatch. Which lets be honest, is what we all want to a certain degree. Not a lard arse cruiser.
But I will reserve judgement untill some of the motoring press get there hands on it, or driven it myself. :wink:
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i think to begin with that is a high price but then look at the mk6, that began orginally at 30 k if im not mistaken so vw have clearly began to increase the price for their top end golf models, maybe its due to the huge success of the mk5 gti and r32? i aint sure, im not as up to date in terms of information but thats how im seeing it so far.
personally i think as many have said the prices being talked about are for a certain segmant, it will be intresting to see how the price of the mk6 works out in the next year or 2. I aint sure if that will be same with the r20 but if its got the same engine as an ed30 how can it possibly be nearly double the cost? i know its a new car , new level of standard performance etc but surley spending even less than 10 k in mods on a ed30 and your outperforming a car double the cost with potentially just the same comfort....unless the r20 is going to be more comfortable or have more gadgets? unlikley! lol
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The next generation A3 will be 150kgs lighter than the current model. The smart money goes on waiting for the new platform.
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The next generation A3 will be 150kgs lighter than the current model. The smart money goes on waiting for the new platform.
....Well there's always something 'better' on the horizon. It's called technological progress and it waits for no-one. The costs go up accordingly - They don't come down, check the price and spec : -
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^ Of course I'm sure you didn't notice any peanut smuggling first :evilgrin:
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The next generation A3 will be 150kgs lighter than the current model. The smart money goes on waiting for the new platform.
....Well there's always something 'better' on the horizon. It's called technological progress and it waits for no-one. The costs go up accordingly - They don't come down, check the price and spec : -
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^ Of course I'm sure you didn't notice any peanut smuggling first :evilgrin:
Yep think I will carry on sticking with 20k Leon Cupras if im still in the market for a hothatch once the mk3 is out. Wonder what the Ex-Audi bosses who are now at SEAT gonna conjure up :pomppomp:
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Yea i luv dat RS fing too ! ..................................... not
Yay its our Joe! :signLOL: :signLOL:
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Am I missing something here? As sort after as the Golf R will be, is it not a very similar spec to an S3/TTS?? (265 bhp/4wd)
Arn't these both available for a few grand less than 35-40k?
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S3 start at £27.5k, looking like a bargain :wink:
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My theoretical specced Golf R came to £37500. I just chose some nice options, didn't go silly, only what i wanted. Think i'll wait for a couple of years and pick a 2nd hand one up. But then again i may just wait for the mk7. But then again, again my Ed30 is just :love:
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Am I missing something here? As sort after as the Golf R will be, is it not a very similar spec to an S3/TTS?? (265 bhp/4wd)
Arn't these both available for a few grand less than 35-40k?
....Yes, but only if you are comparing price for performance - How much bhp you can get for your buck < Something which many people here seem to do.
So many people seem to be driven solely by a desire to maximise their bhp for as little money as possible and also think that each brand represents a step up a ladder. Skoda > Seat > VW > Audi, for example. Bargain hunters :sad1:
The TT range is a 2-seater and doesn't offer what the Golf does in terms of being an allrounder. The S3 is more comparable, but.. Well, it depends what floats your boat.
Like many here with modified GTI's/Ed30's, there's little point in changing to a Golf R but if starting from another car, then a Golf R is very attractive indeed and compares in price (if you must) with an Evo X or a S3 S-tronic Sportback.
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i find it funny that everyone seems to think they'll pick one up 2nd hand in a few years. :rolleye:
Errrrr, if you ALL think its too expensive now, who's gonna buy it NOW then and make it available 2nd hand in the future??
If no one buys it, there won't be any available, as its all special order. They won't be making 500 just for the sake of making them. If no one orders one, there won't be any around. Simple.
Now if a few does get ordered, they'll hold their value very well due to exclusivity.
But of course you can all hang around and wait for the sensibly priced 2nd hand car to come around. ETTO.
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Am I missing something here? As sort after as the Golf R will be, is it not a very similar spec to an S3/TTS?? (265 bhp/4wd)
Arn't these both available for a few grand less than 35-40k?
That's where my money would go if I was insistent on buying a new car....................... looks better too! and fully developed!
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I think a lot of people who originally turned their noses up at the MK6 GTI for being too expensive, not much of an improvement and would wait for the R will be changing their opinion fairly quickly!! :laugh:
Far too expensive for me to afford under my current circumstances. When I think I bought a nine month old MK5 GTI with leather and touch screen nav for £16.5k there is no way I would/could justify £20k+ on top for a new R!
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i find it funny that everyone seems to think they'll pick one up 2nd hand in a few years. :rolleye:
Chungster - all 500 will be sold i'm sure. And it doesn't matter what the car is or how much was paid, there will always be people who sell within 2 years either because they've tried one, or they dont like it, or for financial reasons. Simples.
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Just out of interest, how many mk6 GTI's have you guys seen about....? I drive round quite a lot during the week (all times of day) visiting customers and the like and I can honestly say I have not seen one for a few weeks now, in total I think I have only spotted 2 or 3 on the road since its been released.
I went to a dealer recently to pick up the wife's car and there were a few on the fourcourt starting at £26k+
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wow makes me think iam defo keeping my edition 30
the R models are just silly money. i was thinking about the golf r but not at that money, might get myself a elise 111r for a weekend car aswell as the edition 30 and it would still be less money
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I couldn't justify the money for the R but im sure it will be immense when it finally hits out shores, i think it may turn out to be a similar situation that Renault had with the Clio V6, when it first came out it was 50K! 50k for a clio, lets face it thats insane but after a year they slashed that price, i know VW has more "clout" than Renault but i think they will tumble down- if they had pitched this like a new R32 @ circa 25k base model i think a lot of us would be seriously considering it!
ETTO
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with the current economic climate i certainly wont be buying one. dont vw realise theres a global recesion
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with the current economic climate i certainly wont be buying one. dont vw realise theres a global recesion
they will make money on the golf R, i bet you! they know what they're doing! ;)
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My idea was to sell the Edition 30, buy my Z4M, keep it a couple of years and then trade it for a Golf R20 .... now though, given the prices I don't think I could afford to !!
That said, I looked at a BMW 118d as a second car after being lent one by BMW .... 0-60 in 9 secs, £35 road tax and when I had it 61 mpg !! The trouble was they want £20K for one of those :scared:
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And you can remap the 118d to over 200bhp, take off the RFTs and have some serious fun, the one series handles really well.
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I have just specced on one up and its nearly touching £40k! :surprised: You can have a lovely second hand E92 M3, RS4 or 911 for that, WTF VW!? :stupid:
As for the expected new RS3 - What will a 5-door Sportback cost? And will it really look as good in the rest of its body styling as the front view does - Audi don't seem to be able to design anything exciting beyond the front on their 3 and 4 series.
I love the front of that blue RS3 but the sides and rear are unfortunately bound to be bland.
They are expected to start at £35k base spec, add a few toys and you are looking at £40k which is not a lot more than the Golf R, but you are getting a lot more bang for your buck! I would hardly call the rear bland Robin :drool: :drool:
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^^^^ That's exactly what the Golf R should have been, something a bit special :happy2:
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i would have been pretty excited if they could put the 5 cylinder in to a golf, shame really like everyone says no point spening that sum of money for what is just an eddy with 4mo. i do like the look of the rocco R but its not a step forwrd enough for me so yep i'll be saving up for an RS3 in a couple of years deffo the way to go it looks :happy2:
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I have just specced on one up and its nearly touching £40k! :surprised: You can have a lovely second hand E92 M3, RS4 or 911 for that, WTF VW!? :stupid:
....But a M3 doesn't provide the accommodation that a Golf hatchback does (especially 5-door), the RS4 is a large family saloon, and the 911 is a glorious 2-seater sports car. The Golf offers what none of those cars do.
How does it not provide the accomdation?, they do it in a 5 door also :wink:
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That M3 looks rather nice.
I can't see where VW are going with the pricing. Considering what you can get for similar money, although 2nd hand, but more often than not less than 1 year old, and with an extended warranty, no brainer really.
But if speccing new, the current S3 is where it is at, looks better (IMO), and what does the Golf R offer above that?
Of course this is my opinion only.
Just my opinion!
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When is the RS3 being launched?
Now after my letdown on the Golf pricing( I really was expecting it to be better value) I am liking the look of the RS3, and even though it will be more money, like has been said, it will be a lot more car.
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Very soon apparently, I think Audi are about to release all the details, spec etc.... :jumpmove: :jumpmove:
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Is it going yo be in the 8p body or the next shape??? Could be seriously interested as long as it comes in sportback.
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Seeing the pricing on the VW site last night was like a kick in the balls, I spec'd a 3dr, manual, recarros with sat nav and the adjustable wotsit suspension setup and not a lot else and it came to about £36K which quite frankly is taking the p@@@! I didn't go mad, just added the things I'd really want. When I added everything it came to a touch under £40K. Who the hell would pay £40K for a hatchback, VW or not?!!
If I was spending that type of money it would be on a Porsche second hand or not. I love the look of the R, but IMHO I think they are about £10K out in the pricing of it.
Good excuse to keep my Mk5 as a minter though! :happy2:
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with the current economic climate i certainly wont be buying one. dont vw realise theres a global recesion
they will make money on the golf R, i bet you! they know what they're doing! ;)
no doubt they will, look at how many sales they have missed from just us lot though!
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Nice :happy2:
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Its almost like they have priced it two steps above the GTI
GTI -> ?? -> Golf R. If they had stuck the list as around £25k which is similar to the previous R model then it would have changed a few of our opinions I bet.
The RS3 looks great, if it gets the 2.5T then WOW, even better!
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Looks ok - wheels look to be quite shiney - which makes me wonder if they will have the dreaded white worm issues a year down the line.
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Nice :happy2:
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Whip them shocking wheels off to start with, tail pipes look like someone has done a poor R32 replica.
Really does not look special in the slightest. Can't see them having the slightest bit of trouble shifting them though as they have quite a big following.
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I've got to say that whilst the "R" does look nice, VW have opened themselves to a LOT of competition imho.
The harsh reality is that the NEW car market is still on its ar$e. Consumers are very cautious about what they're spending their money on, including those with enough disposable income to buy this type of thing.
The USED car market offers SO much more at the moment. IMO, very few people in the right mind will spend £36-40K on a hatchback. Especially a sporty one.
Just a quick trawl through Autotrader with the £35-40K price bracket, 170 pages, but here's a few of the cars that came up -
BMW M6 (MY10) - £35K
LOADS of M3s and 335i, M5 - circa £36K
Bentley Continental GT - £35K
LOADS of Porsches (Carrera - £3K
Ferrari 355 :drool: (£35K)
Audi RS4 saloon & convertible AND Avant - £36K
BMW M5 Touring - £40K
Porsche GT3 - £40K
Loads of Ferrari 360s & higher spec 355s
LOADS of Audi A5s & S5s
Not including the droves of RangeRovers, Mercs, Jags etc.
All about 12-18months old (with exception of the Ferraris) & 99.9% Traders.
My one point being that there is SO much more potent machinery out there for the same money. And let's be honest, whilst this is a great Golf site, as petrol-heads, IF we had the money, would you turn down the machinery on offer above? I know I would gladly kick my GTI into touch for nearly any of the above :wink:
Granted, some aren't daily drivers, that's what a NORMAL Golf is for!!! :grin:
And this really is my other point - VW (People's Car) - the GTI/Ed30/R32 pushed the limits for what could be perceived as a regular "sporty" car.
(FWIW, I've just spec'd up a new Focus RS with all the toys - £28.5K) The "cheaper" Golf is attainable in relation to the company's ethos. Anybody remember the Phaeton? What a great success that was (despite being a good car) - stick an Audi badge on it, and you'd got an S8 :wink:
In other words, the Golf R is just too much money to justify itself in the market - yes WE want an uber-Golf. Something that will blow the competition away. Sadly at this price, that's going to be a tall order.
I'll stick to my Mk5 :grin:
Dan (phew!!! THAT was hard work! :grin:)
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^^ My thoughts exactly matey ^^ :happy2:
I am told that the RS3 will come in the 8P shape in both sportback and 3 door and it will get the 2.5T (335PS) :grin: :jumpmove:
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It will be a while yet, but I *may* go to a B7 RS4 Avant - prices are tumbling :D
OR
as I'm 40 in 4 years, I'm toying with the idea of a regular runaround, and a TOY (Fezza or Porsche) :grin:
Dan
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Prices aren't tumbling on the RS4. They are still going up/levelling. I sold my 2007 avant with 36k miles, for 33.5 k in July, I woulg get closer to 36k or more for it now. I only paid 28k for it in December .......
And well said Dan in your first post, couldn't agree more.
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With the current pricing it looks like VW has only made the r20t as a halo car. Scirrocco R and S3 pricing makes more sense.
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Prices aren't tumbling on the RS4. They are still going up/levelling. I sold my 2007 avant with 36k miles, for 33.5 k in July
Forgot the "rolleyes" smiley....
Wishful thinking on a dropping RS4 at the moment!! :grin:
Dan :happy2:
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I'd love one of those RS3's. Wonder if it really is just a dream though or will they give us it?
I specc'd a Golf and as I'd like it, came out at £36 large.
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Apparently the RS3 is the real deal! :jumpmove:
I hope it is because its gonna be my next car :drool: :drool:
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I read a bit about it but then it seemed to go quiet.
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Apparently the RS3 is the real deal! :jumpmove:
I hope it is because its gonna be my next car :drool: :drool:
I too have been getting itchy feet, and have been thinking about what could replace the cupra in the future but nothing stands out. For the money the cupra does everything so well. New M3 isnt quick enough, same with 911 carrera s. M6 too heavy, audi s4 too old man. Evo X could work but it would cost me a bundle to modify one to make it a worthy step up from the cupra, and females dont seem to like the looks. Audi TT-RS seems like the only real alternative to me. Will have to wait and see what 2nd hand prices will be like on a year or two old one will be. If they hit 30k at a year that will be me :signLOL:
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I'd love one of those RS3's. Wonder if it really is just a dream though or will they give us it?
I specc'd a Golf and as I'd like it, came out at £36 large.
i know what i would be buying if i had that kind of money and it would be something like this 500bhp 1 owner 23k on the clock happy days :driver:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1244524.htm (http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1244524.htm)
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I think that says it all......
Thread locked!!
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I'm going to reserve judgement until seeing and (with any luck) driving the Golf R.
If the images can be believed, the next generation RS3 Sportback with 2.5cyl turbo would be a great car and the only one mentioned in this thread as an alternative to the Golf R which is a hatchback. But surely a RS3 Sportback S-tronic 2.5cyl is going to cost more than a Golf R.
Tom - 4-door M3's aren't hatchbacks and you can't fold the back seats flat (can you?). The 2-door version is the only one which looks good imo but doesn't offer what a Golf does (I'm repeating myself).
I drove an Evo X SST yesterday - Felt a bit detached from the road until getting it to drift or slide and then superbly corrects itself - Huge fun! Far too quiet and gearshifts are almost undetectable (not good). Looks great in blue but dashboard is a tad too fussy. It's not a hatchback either.
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Spot the difference apart from the price.................. Similar BHP etc..............
£32,473
http://www.pistonheads.com/SALES/1260639.htm (http://www.pistonheads.com/SALES/1260639.htm)
And the Golf R without the Bucket seats (Specced the Recaro part leather seats) Hill hold, piano black inlays, Bose (specced the 10 speaker system though), Electric folding Door Mirrors, and Through load system. Including Poor wheels too!
£34,280.00
Tried to find a white one but...........
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S3 is over £2k cheaper with more options, and that it without any negotiation....................
No Brainer for me - Audi wins hands down, better specced and looks better too! Is fully developed and time tested by the public.
That is just my opinion, based on facts from websites and as ever others are free to give theirs.
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Just spotted a white one a few replies ^^^^^^
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Nice :happy2:
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Whip them shocking wheels off to start with, tail pipes look like someone has done a poor R32 replica.
Really does not look special in the slightest. Can't see them having the slightest bit of trouble shifting them though as they have quite a big following.
Id still have one.
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Spot the difference apart from the price.................. Similar BHP etc..............
£32,473
And the Golf R without the Bucket seats (Specced the Recaro part leather seats) Hill hold, piano black inlays, Bose (specced the 10 speaker system though), Electric folding Door Mirrors, and Through load system. Including Poor wheels too!
£34,280.00
S3 is over £2k cheaper with more options, and that it without any negotiation....................
No Brainer for me - Audi wins hands down, better specced and looks better too! Is fully developed and time tested by the public.
That is just my opinion, based on facts from websites and as ever others are free to give theirs.
.... :laugh: I was just about to write that there's ONLY about £2k price difference when I read your post saying the opposite!
That's not the new RS3 so, personally, I wouldn't be interested. I looked at the S3 Sportback 4 years ago but instantly preferred the GTI. But it is absolutely as you say - We all have our own individual preferences, there's no right or wrong car to buy.
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No Brainer for me - Audi wins hands down, better specced and looks better too! Is fully developed and time tested by the public.
Eh, how are people making these opinions? Not even the UK motoring press have driven it so no-one has any idea how good the Golf R is. It could be a million times better than an S3! But the Audi wins hands down...
Coming from an educated bunch like you lot I'm actually quite surprised how many people are comparing it to the S3.
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We are all allowed opinions, and I(Educated)MO I would rather have a better looking, better specced, tried and tested S3 model, with several years of further development behind it, for a cheaper price.
As I said- just my opinion, you have yours and i respect that.
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Good work Nath, I was waiting for the VW configurator to allow the R models!
I whole heartidly agree with what others have said, it just seems like its two steps above a GTI and when its £38k for a Golf seems absurd, its not like theres some sort of revolutionary technology on offer. So its got DRLs, different alloys, more powerful, etc but nothing ground breaking!
tbh i wouldn't get the RS3 either, way too expensive for the size car, id much rather get a coupe of some sorts, *cough* M3 *cough*. When your spending £40k why buy a hatchback?!
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S3 better looking? i think IMO it is bloody boring, especially those wheels.
It may be fast and accomplished, but from what I've heard it is boring to drive. Plus there are too many of them around now.
Opinions are opinions. I am surprised at the response on here so far (£35k Golf R is OTT but £45k RS3 is ok????) but oh well ETTO and all that. I'm certainly not swayed by any of the comments thus far on here thats for sure. :happy2:
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For me the Golf R actually being worth the extra over an S3 is quite concievable. However I'd see it as illogical to make this opinion without having first at least read the thoughts of a respected motoring journalist and/or driven it myself. Until then I can only look forward to seeing some reviews and hopefully some head-to-head tests.
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Still won't hide the fact that it's a £38k Golf! Lol! :grin:
only die-hard fanatics will pay that for a Golf.
But as said, ETTO :smiley:
Dan
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Still won't hide the fact that it's a £38k Golf! Lol! :grin:
only die-hard fanatics will pay that for a Golf.
But as said, ETTO :smiley:
Dan
....But why lock yourself into a mindset which labels "Golfs" as only being produced and offered below a certain price level?
Is it badge snobbery? - If you spend an Audi/BMW price on a car then it must have the badge that shows publicly the sort of price you have paid?
And furthermore, it's merely a price level which some people here have decided either that they can't afford or simply don't want to spend. Which is fair enough btw.
Chase the vision and not the dollar.
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if i was spending that sort of money id be waiting for audi to answer with a hotter S3 whic is surely on the cards
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....But why lock yourself into a mindset which labels "Golfs" as only being produced and offered below a certain price level?
Is it badge snobbery? - If you spend an Audi/BMW price on a car then it must have the badge that shows publicly the sort of price you have paid?
And furthermore, it's merely a price level which some people here have decided either that they can't afford or simply don't want to spend. Which is fair enough btw.
Chase the vision and not the dollar.
Simple really Robin - look at my previous post at what sort of marques are available for the same money. Stuff that blows VW out of the water. In fact read the whole post - it pretty much sums up the whole thing :smiley:
Dan
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And there was me thinking that a Volkswagen was the 'people's car'.... One thing I can't quite understand though is why the Recaro's are a 3K option. I'm sure that their just over a K option on the S3 without checking.
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And there was me thinking that a Volkswagen was the 'people's car'.... One thing I can't quite understand though is why the Recaro's are a 3K option. I'm sure that their just over a K option on the S3 without checking.
Good point Luke. 38k people's car?
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thay must think we are all bankers :signLOL:
have you ordered yet then robin? if there is only 500 made im sure they will get snapped up. i think if you get one for under 30k with DSG it could be sought after. i do think its blooming expensive when a MK5 GTI was 19995 not long ago but R32's were always a lot more and ED30s were about 26k+ with DSG, all cars are getting more expensive and the residuals will be good. i remember the mini was selling for more than people paid for them a few years ago after putting a few miles on it! ony thing for me is that the MK6 is meant to be cheaper for them to make so the profit margins must be much higher now but its the same with all manufacturers the mugen Type R will be coming here at a starting price of 39k for gods sake! i dont think the R models sound that stupid now! better get saving!
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....But why lock yourself into a mindset which labels "Golfs" as only being produced and offered below a certain price level?
Is it badge snobbery? - If you spend an Audi/BMW price on a car then it must have the badge that shows publicly the sort of price you have paid?
And furthermore, it's merely a price level which some people here have decided either that they can't afford or simply don't want to spend. Which is fair enough btw.
Chase the vision and not the dollar.
For once in a good while RR, I have to agree with you there. :happy2: Read somewhere else, do people really think VW price setters thought once about "ooh what 2nd hand options will we be competing with??" Did they F**K!!! All this about comparing with 2nd hand vehicles is absolutely pointless. THIS IS A NEW CAR DAMN IT!!!
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I'll bite :wink:
OK, they're comparing against new cars then - £38K for a PREMIUM hatchback, you've got to either be nuts or have more money than sense!! :grin:
The smart person looks at the used options, as they offer more value for money.
So cars to compare to new then?
Litchfield Type 25? (Scooby AWD hatch)
Scooby S330 (STI)?
Ford Focus RS?
Audi S3?
Audi RS3?
All semi-comparable cars in terms of price/performance.....
Most much cheaper than the Golf R. The debate has been had before about who's top dog(premium vs exclusive) in the VAG camp, VW? Audi? Porsche? Seat? Skoda?
Now before I get ousted from the site :wink: I'm SURE the Golf R will be a great car. But most of us won't get to see one let alone drive one.
Regardless, VW have got their pricing wrong on this.
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And there was me thinking that a Volkswagen was the 'people's car'....
Good point Luke. 38k people's car?
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....Volkswagen were originally 'The People's Car", sure, but that ended many decades ago.
Who would you define as 'The People' nowadays?
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....But why lock yourself into a mindset which labels "Golfs" as only being produced and offered below a certain price level?
Is it badge snobbery? - If you spend an Audi/BMW price on a car then it must have the badge that shows publicly the sort of price you have paid?
And furthermore, it's merely a price level which some people here have decided either that they can't afford or simply don't want to spend. Which is fair enough btw.
Chase the vision and not the dollar.
For once in a good while RR, I have to agree with you there. :happy2: Read somewhere else, do people really think VW price setters thought once about "ooh what 2nd hand options will we be competing with??" Did they F**K!!! All this about comparing with 2nd hand vehicles is absolutely pointless. THIS IS A NEW CAR DAMN IT!!!
Golf R isnt better than the 27k s3, or 34k audi s4 though. The pricing is sending a mixed signal. Audi is top dog, yet the golf costs more but doesnt offer much more if any over the S3.
Plus at 38k you might aswell spend a extra 4k for the TT-RS, and the RS3 will be cheaper than the TT-RS still.
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it does start at 28k dano not 38. :happy2:
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....But why lock yourself into a mindset which labels "Golfs" as only being produced and offered below a certain price level?
Is it badge snobbery? - If you spend an Audi/BMW price on a car then it must have the badge that shows publicly the sort of price you have paid?
And furthermore, it's merely a price level which some people here have decided either that they can't afford or simply don't want to spend. Which is fair enough btw.
Chase the vision and not the dollar.
For once in a good while RR, I have to agree with you there. :happy2: Read somewhere else, do people really think VW price setters thought once about "ooh what 2nd hand options will we be competing with??" Did they F**K!!! All this about comparing with 2nd hand vehicles is absolutely pointless. THIS IS A NEW CAR DAMN IT!!!
Golf R isnt better than the 27k s3, or 34k audi s4 though. The pricing is sending a mixed signal. Audi is top dog, yet the golf costs more but doesnt offer much more if any over the S3.
Plus at 38k you might aswell spend a extra 4k for the TT-RS, and the RS3 will be cheaper than the TT-RS still.
exactly, the RS£ is where its at
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sorry - typo :grin: £28K for poverty spec...
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£38K for a PREMIUM hatchback, you've got to either be nuts or have more money than sense!! :grin:
The smart person looks at the used options, as they offer more value for money.
....Money, money, money - Is that the only value to consider?
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not to sure about money money money
maybe value for money, value for money, value for money
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not to sure about money money money
maybe value for money, value for money, value for money
Agreed there, otherwise we all wouldnt bother with having a mortgage and be driving about in lambos and ferraris instead.
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I could argue this, but I'm not going to bother. I would be wasting my time :grin:
Good luck with your Golf R - I'm sure it will be a fantastic success.
Dan :happy2:
£38K for a PREMIUM hatchback, you've got to either be nuts or have more money than sense!! :grin:
The smart person looks at the used options, as they offer more value for money.
....Money, money, money - Is that the only value to consider?
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not to sure about money money money
maybe value for money, value for money, value for money
....Same thing inasmuch that not everyone is hung up on value for money. I hardly ever consider it. I can either afford something I desire or I can't. And if I pay a lot for what I desire, what does it matter? - I have the joy of having my desire. That's worth much more than money.
What's more important: The product itself (not just cars) you buy or what good value for money (aka bargain?) you thought it was?
What did Oscar Wilde say? Something about the money saved being soon forgotten.
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not to sure about money money money
maybe value for money, value for money, value for money
Agreed there, otherwise we all wouldnt bother with having a mortgage and be driving about in lambos and ferraris instead.
....You actually do have a choice between a Lambo and a mortgage. It's entirely up to you.
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One thing for sure is that in the current economic climate people able to afford a £35-40k car must be few and far between unless you :
a) Acquire one of these cars as a company car
b) Live at home with mum and dad and have little anor no overheads and are on above above income of £26k
c)Director/self employed running it through a company
I sometimes wonder where and how people in the normal world manage to finance such expensive things. The reality for most of my colleagues is that they have kids and mortgages are on average wages and many of their wives are at home looking after the kids and most drive boring cars. Many of my mates love performance cars but wouldn't entertain finance to buy performance cars.
Interestingly according John Snow and his son who did a programme sometime ago over 2/3rds of the country earn less than the average wage of the then £24,600 a year. All I can assume is that people must loan themselves up to the hilt!
Back on subject value for money has always been my priority and making older cars faster.
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One thing for sure is that in the current economic climate people able to afford a £35-40k car must be few and far between unless you :
a) Acquire one of these cars as a company car
b) Live at home with mum and dad and have little anor no overheads and are on above above income of £26k
c)Director/self employed running it through a company
I sometimes wonder where and how people in the normal world manage to finance such expensive things. The reality for most of my colleagues is that they have kids and mortgages are on average wages and many of their wives are at home looking after the kids and most drive boring cars. Many of my mates love performance cars but wouldn't entertain finance to buy performance cars.
Interestingly according John Snow and his son who did a programme sometime ago over 2/3rds of the country earn less than the average wage of the then £24,600 a year. All I can assume is that people must loan themselves up to the hilt!
Back on subject value for money has always been my priority and making older cars faster.
There was a statistic out there recently, cant remmeber the exact figure, but the majority of bmw's are company cars, and the rest are on a lease type finance, where after 3 years they give the car back.
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One thing for sure is that in the current economic climate people able to afford a £35-40k car must be few and far between unless you :
a) Acquire one of these cars as a company car
b) Live at home with mum and dad and have little anor no overheads and are on above above income of £26k
c)Director/self employed running it through a company
I sometimes wonder where and how people in the normal world manage to finance such expensive things. The reality for most of my colleagues is that they have kids and mortgages are on average wages and many of their wives are at home looking after the kids and most drive boring cars. Many of my mates love performance cars but wouldn't entertain finance to buy performance cars.
Interestingly according John Snow and his son who did a programme sometime ago over 2/3rds of the country earn less than the average wage of the then £24,600 a year. All I can assume is that people must loan themselves up to the hilt!
Back on subject value for money has always been my priority and making older cars faster.
There was a statistic out there recently, cant remmeber the exact figure, but the majority of bmw's are company cars, and the rest are on a lease type finance, where after 3 years they give the car back.
That doesn't surprise me. A friend of mine an ex BMW salesman went to Ferrari ( Maranello in Egham ) and said the same thing that BMW was the most heavily financed car in the UK. He stated people were often turned down BMW finance and were offered more expensive finance outside of the network just to get the badge on the drive.
Many companies have cut back on middle management BMW's unless you work in the London area where there seems an abundance as usual!
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Nice :happy2:
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Whip them shocking wheels off to start with, tail pipes look like someone has done a poor R32 replica.
Really does not look special in the slightest. Can't see them having the slightest bit of trouble shifting them though as they have quite a big following.
Id still have one.
Would you be willing to spend 20k+ and your car for one though? :innocent:
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Golf R isnt better than the 27k s3, or 34k audi s4 though.
Well f*ck me, here was me thinking no-one had driven it yet. So where is your full review, or us this just another opinion based on how much something costs?
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Nice :happy2:
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Whip them shocking wheels off to start with, tail pipes look like someone has done a poor R32 replica.
Really does not look special in the slightest. Can't see them having the slightest bit of trouble shifting them though as they have quite a big following.
Id still have one.
Would you be willing to spend 20k+ and your car for one though? :innocent:
If money wasnt a problem then yes :smiley:
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Golf R isnt better than the 27k s3, or 34k audi s4 though.
Well f*ck me, here was me thinking no-one had driven it yet. So where is your full review, or is this just another opinion based on how much something costs?
....Besides the fact that whether something (anything) is "better" or not, is a totally subjective point of view, I think it's very sad indeed that so many people (not just in this forum) base their whole lives on being overly concerned about whether their purchases are 'good value for money' or not. It becomes such a mission that they lose sight of the positives in what they buy. It also encourages people to be very mean spirited in everything they do - It becomes their way of life. I'm not suggesting that people should be frivolous with the way they spend money (although if they are, then so what!). It's all relative. There are many worlds besides that of Mr & Mrs Average all living in houses that all look the same with mortgages and families and financial commitments etc. If you live among such people it's very easy to think that the whole world is the same - It's not!
People will buy the Golf R for many different reasons - all of them relevant. It won't sell in huge numbers but it's exactly that which will make it very attractive to some of us. Anyway, there is still a whole range of Golfs to choose from and according to either what you can afford or what you want to afford.
I think that many people here are disappointed that VW has added a car to its already very extensive range of Golfs which is much more difficult to afford. But there's no such thing as not being able to justify the cost - It's entirely up to you and me in our own little worlds. My father taught me that we're all equal but some of us are more equal than others.
When/if a new S3 or RS3 is officially announced with pricings, what's the betting that most of the posts will be similar to as they are in this thread - Also before anyone has test driven the car! Doubtless the same will apply to the Scirocco R.
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Id still have one.
Would you be willing to spend 20k+ and your car for one though? :innocent:
If money wasnt a problem then yes :smiley:
.... Exactly!
After a test drive it only comes down to whether you have the funds available or not - It's that simple.
There's no shame in spending money! It's what it's for - You can't take it with you.
And there's no shame in not having such funds available either < Something which many people don't seem to realise.
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Spot the difference apart from the price.................. Similar BHP etc..............
£32,473
http://www.pistonheads.com/SALES/1260639.htm (http://www.pistonheads.com/SALES/1260639.htm)
And the Golf R without the Bucket seats (Specced the Recaro part leather seats) Hill hold, piano black inlays, Bose (specced the 10 speaker system though), Electric folding Door Mirrors, and Through load system. Including Poor wheels too!
£34,280.00
Tried to find a white one but...........
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S3 is over £2k cheaper with more options, and that it without any negotiation....................
No Brainer for me - Audi wins hands down, better specced and looks better too! Is fully developed and time tested by the public.
That is just my opinion, based on facts from websites and as ever others are free to give theirs.
nyom nyom, i prefer the look of these over the audi, but for the dosh...not a chance, id rather buy the bodykit and fit to to mine....which could happen in the near future! lol
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I'm really not seeing this at all! I don't care what anyone says the Golf R is FAR FAR to expensive for what it is! It is just not special enough at all.
I do not see how it is going to be so radically different to the S3 as some people think it is!
They are both a similar weight.
They have identical engines.
They have the same haldex (Gen 4) as the FACELIFT S3's so they are not going to handle that much differently.
They can both be bought with manual and DSG transmissions.
The build quality of Audi's is second to none so I don't think the R is going to be gaining any advantages in that department.
Looks are subjective but I would say both are a desireable looking car.
I stand to be corrected but the only difference I see between the S3 and the Golf R so far is the price. If the Golf R were out at the time of me purchasing my S3 there is no doubt I would have been seriously interested. If I would have specced the Golf to my requirements it would have come to circa £38k, I paid just over £12k less for a new S3 four months ago, do the math! :confused:
Im not defending the S3 or slating the Golf R, it's just the way I see it :smiley:
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Golf R isnt better than the 27k s3, or 34k audi s4 though.
Well f*ck me, here was me thinking no-one had driven it yet. So where is your full review, or us this just another opinion based on how much something costs?
Wow, you really are naive to think that the bean counters from VAG would allow for VW to produce something that will be radically different from the S3.
Going by past experience, and considering how many parts the two cars share its pretty damn obvious we wont see anything new from VAG.
Lets wait for the reviews then shall we :signLOL:
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I'm really not seeing this at all! I don't care what anyone says the Golf R is FAR FAR to expensive for what it is! It is just not special enough at all.
I do not see how it is going to be so radically different to the S3 as some people think it is!
They are both a similar weight.
They have identical engines.
They have the same haldex (Gen 4) as the FACELIFT S3's so they are not going to handle that much differently.
They can both be bought with manual and DSG transmissions.
The build quality of Audi's is second to none so I don't think the R is going to be gaining any advantages in that department.
Looks are subjective but I would say both are a desireable looking car.
I stand to be corrected but the only difference I see between the S3 and the Golf R so far is the price. If the Golf R were out at the time of me purchasing my S3 there is no doubt I would have been seriously interested. If I would have specced the Golf to my requirements it would have come to circa £38k, I paid just over £12k less for a new S3 four months ago, do the math! :confused:
Im not defending the S3 or slating the Golf R, it's just the way I see it :smiley:
:congrats: :congrats: :congrats:
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I'm really not seeing this at all! I don't care what anyone says the Golf R is FAR FAR to expensive for what it is! It is just not special enough at all.
I do not see how it is going to be so radically different to the S3 as some people think it is!
They are both a similar weight.
They have identical engines.
They have the same haldex (Gen 4) as the FACELIFT S3's so they are not going to handle that much differently.
They can both be bought with manual and DSG transmissions.
The build quality of Audi's is second to none so I don't think the R is going to be gaining any advantages in that department.
Looks are subjective but I would say both are a desireable looking car.
I stand to be corrected but the only difference I see between the S3 and the Golf R so far is the price. If the Golf R were out at the time of me purchasing my S3 there is no doubt I would have been seriously interested. If I would have specced the Golf to my requirements it would have come to circa £38k, I paid just over £12k less for a new S3 four months ago, do the math! :confused:
Im not defending the S3 or slating the Golf R, it's just the way I see it :smiley:
:congrats: :congrats: :congrats:
:happy2: Absolutely!
And so it comes down to personal choice and whether you have the funds available to make that choice.
If the funds allow such a choice, this is where the irrational and emotional factors kick in. Unless of course, you are a hardwired VFM robot :grin:
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I think most of us on here would be a value for money robots, to be honest I don't see a time when I won't be.
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I think most of us on here would be a value for money robots, to be honest I don't see a time when I won't be.
agreed, its not like our cars are the most emotive in its class.
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I think most of us on here would be a value for money robots, to be honest I don't see a time when I won't be.
....It's very much an attitude rather than a question of what funds you have or haven't.
You never know what's around the corner anyway. Nor what fruits all your hard work may bring you.
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True robin but to be honest if the fruits of my labour do pay off I'd probably be spending on a newish RS4 avant. Enough space for camping adventures with room for two kids easily and when I'm on my own with the car, a nice rewarding tyre spanking with the awesome V8 ROAR!
Ad that to the fact I'm going to loose FAR less in depreciation in a 2 year old RS4 than a brand new Golf R. I challenge you to get 22.5k for a golf r line in early 2012 after taking delivery in early 2010
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hmmm 40k on a golf or this .....
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1145840.htm
or maybe this ..
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1200494.htm
maybe this
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1308566.htm
nah one of these
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1310371.htm
and a renault clio diesel, keep the leon and have a holiday and a rib or jetski
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You have to consider running costs of some of those, and being used for a daily driver.
RS4 is what I would like, or maybe the new S4 when it turns one.
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Just as a note on the RS4 running costs, in the 7 months/7000 miles I had mine, it averaged approx 16mpg, and went through tyres like its going out of fashion and the brakes are around £2000 fitted allround(I had to replace mine). They are a fantastic car but with very high running costs, and I wouldn't consider one unless it had an Audi extended warranty, as the engine alone is over £10k if it went pop!
As for the Golf R, I had one on provisional order for three years, when the rumours of the R36 were about, and I cancelled my order as they are just too bloody expensive! Nuff said!
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You have to consider running costs of some of those, and being used for a daily driver.
RS4 is what I would like, or maybe the new S4 when it turns one.
....I had Milltek's new S4 Avant for a week - Fabulous car which drove like a smaller car but a heavy drinker unless you granny it (boring). I would still prefer the Golf though - I just don't need that kind of car size or accommodation. A hot Golf suits me better regardless whether VFM.
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Can anyone point me to a link for a full review of the facelift S3? Been searching the web for the reviews I read at the time of launch but I can't track them down now! :ashamed: In particular I'm keen to read up on the differences between the facelift and non facelift cars.
Although it never takes much this thread has got me thinking again on what my next car should be (in a year or two) and a year old facelift S3 is current front runner now that the Golf .:R is so expensive!
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I'm saving manically for an M3 saloon. I've heard of dealers letting fully loaded brand new cars go for under £40K. It would make a seriously good long term proposition for me.
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I'm saving manically for an M3 saloon. I've heard of dealers letting fully loaded brand new cars go for under £40K. It would make a seriously good long term proposition for me.
id take that with a pinch of salt mate
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I'm saving manically for an M3 saloon.
....I'm saving for my next mod more trips to Nordschleife and Spa! :grin:
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I'm saving manically for an M3 saloon. I've heard of dealers letting fully loaded brand new cars go for under £40K. It would make a seriously good long term proposition for me.
id take that with a pinch of salt mate
I've a friend who works for Sytner BMW in Sheffield and he says it's a possibility. Having said that you're talking about nearly £10K off the list, and he is a dozy f*cker! Still, that's what I want, and with the right spec I'd consider a nearly new one :party:
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i just couldnt see it being a new car,
im sure there is a lot of room for discount on a car with 2k-3k miles on! ;)
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If they're not selling any though. Who knows....
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I'm saving manically for an M3 saloon. I've heard of dealers letting fully loaded brand new cars go for under £40K. It would make a seriously good long term proposition for me.
These have come and gone, there were about 30 cars, preregistered by BMW UK that they released into the dealer network. As you can imagine they were snapped up instantly. I think this was approx 6 months ago now, and they have no problem shifting them now.
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Nevermind, I don't think I'd be in the position to buy one until this time next year anyway.
If I could pick up something like this http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1284393.htm (http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1284393.htm), for around the £40K mark I'd be more than happy.
I'd be interested to know how many saloons they've sold. I know a couple of people with E90 Coupes but I can only remember seeing two M3 saloons.
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Just bought Autocar with the headline 'Hot Scirocco R beats Focus RS'. Interesting read between the focus and roco - the 370z (they threw in) does not do too well although they are very different cars. The scirocco is a very desirable car as I am sure the golf will be even with that price tag :happy2:
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So they though it was better?!
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Yes. Not a resounding victory, and bear in mind its not one of your 'evo' tests, but its was pretty much as fast as the focus on most roads they tested on and the interior was much much better. A very good car by all accounts.
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God damn it, knowing they're good make me want one :laugh:
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I think the roco R looks great too, much better than the brash focus but each to their own.
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Interesting read that, must say..
http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/FirstDrives/Volkswagen-Scirocco-2.0-TSI-265-R/244610/
I for one would definately opt for the Rocco R over the Golf R. Better looks, less weight, more desirable etc (all IMO of course) AND 2k cheaper.. :wink:
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I'm saving manically for an M3 saloon. I've heard of dealers letting fully loaded brand new cars go for under £40K. It would make a seriously good long term proposition for me.
These have come and gone, there were about 30 cars, preregistered by BMW UK that they released into the dealer network. As you can imagine they were snapped up instantly. I think this was approx 6 months ago now, and they have no problem shifting them now.
This is true, as my mate who is a dealer had 2 off his local BMW dealer and made a tidy profit too :wink:.
He has recently had his hands on this..
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1305502.htm
Wasn't with for long though before it was snapped up (not his pics by the way, original owner's). New owner traded in a mint CSL with just 14k on the clocks.. :drool:
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I rules out the Rocco as I though I best get 5 dr next but the Mrs just said I dont need a 5 door as she has the fun bus and then said the 3door always looks better anyway :grin:
Maybe a Rocco could be on the cards instead...
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They'll do what they always do - use the "limited numbers" gag and sell their quota at list price.
Then once they've all been delivered, every Tom, Dick and Harry middle manager in the VAG group will have one on the company car scheme - 6 months later the market gets flooded with used cars and the owners with the first ones are furious because (a) it's not as limited as they thought and (b) its lost a ton of money overnight.
VAG control what their staff are allowed to order and in what spec, so they can control forecourt pricing - The 2nd hand ones are priced to entice people into ordering new with a bit of suddenly available 'discount'. We saw this with the ED30.
Then there's the grey imports.
You've gotta REALLY want one to be one of the first.
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Yes. Not a resounding victory, and bear in mind its not one of your 'evo' tests, but its was pretty much as fast as the focus on most roads they tested on and the interior was much much better. A very good car by all accounts.
Apparently the Sirocco R is in the Evo COTY test in a couple of weeks. Can't wait for my copy to drop through the door, should be very interesting indeed!
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So, are the R sisters debutanting at the same ball?
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Dare I say it? but in anything other than rain, I can see the 'Rocco R kicking the Golf R's arse...
It's cheaper, better equiped, lighter, lower centre of gravity - unless you want a 5 door or REALLY want 4WD, I'd choose the 'Rocco personally. It makes more sense.
Flame suit on.
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Dare I say it? but in anything other than rain, I can see the 'Rocco R kicking the Golf R's arse...
It's cheaper, better equiped, lighter, lower centre of gravity - unless you want a 5 door or REALLY want 4WD, I'd choose the 'Rocco personally. It makes more sense.
Flame suit on.
....Pity that the Rocco is the ugly sister though :evilgrin:
Sense has very little to do with what is invariably in the end an irrational final decision about what car to buy. IMO of course.
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From the video the line up is as follows:
Lotus Evora
Lamborghini Murciélago LP670-4 SV
Lamborghini Gallardo LP550-2 Valentino Balboni
Ferrari California
Porsche GT3
Aston Martin V12 Vantage
VW Scirocco R
Ford Focus RS
Noble M600
Which would normally leave another 6 cars. I'd guess the Jaguar XF-R would be one of those, and maybe the Renault Clio 200 Cup and Audi R8 V10?
I'd give my left bollock to take part in one of those tests!
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Dare I say it? but in anything other than rain, I can see the 'Rocco R kicking the Golf R's arse...
It's cheaper, better equiped, lighter, lower centre of gravity - unless you want a 5 door or REALLY want 4WD, I'd choose the 'Rocco personally. It makes more sense.
Flame suit on.
....Pity that the Rocco is the ugly sister though :evilgrin:
Sense has very little to do with what is invariably in the end an irrational final decision about what car to buy. IMO of course.
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I have to agree with Robin, design and looks play a big role in what most people finally choose, I love the rocco but it doesn't look good from every angle, were as the golf is a safer classic design. :happy2:
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Dare I say it? but in anything other than rain, I can see the 'Rocco R kicking the Golf R's arse...
It's cheaper, better equiped, lighter, lower centre of gravity - unless you want a 5 door or REALLY want 4WD, I'd choose the 'Rocco personally. It makes more sense.
Flame suit on.
....Pity that the Rocco is the ugly sister though :evilgrin:
Sense has very little to do with what is invariably in the end an irrational final decision about what car to buy. IMO of course.
:happy2:
Nah, I think it's really cool - but then I also have a C30 which people think is weird. Very subjective.
Sense has everything to do with spending money, Lada could make the most beautiful looking car in the world tomorrow and I still wouldn't buy it.
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Nah, I think it's really cool - but then I also have a C30 which people think is weird. Very subjective.
Sense has everything to do with spending money, Lada could make the most beautiful looking car in the world tomorrow and I still wouldn't buy it.
....I very much agree - Which car you prefer (in this case Golf or Rocco R) is very subjective to the individual.
Regarding sense having everything to do with spending money, not in my case - I'm simply not hardwired that way. You know how I squander money on mods.
:happy2: 8) :happy2:
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http://www.autocar.co.uk/VideosWallpapers/Videos.aspx?AR=244624&CT=V :congrats:
Not sure what's going on with the day time running lights on the Rocco, but god i'm starting to like it more and more.. :ashamed: Just not in that colour.. :sick:
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Not sure what's going on with the day time running lights on the Rocco
....They look a bit weak and as if the wiring isn't connected properly - Not cool.
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Its nothing to do with wiring etc. It's due to the nature of LED lighting. The frequency of the light output appears to be constant the the eye, but it's actually flickering thousands of times per second. Something, that on occassion can be picked up on camera due to frame rates etc.
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Well I actually got my copy of Evo through the door today. Verdict on the Scirocco R - it lacks soul :sad1:
I guess that was expected really. What I didn't expect is for the Evora to win.
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Its nothing to do with wiring etc. It's due to the nature of LED lighting. The frequency of the light output appears to be constant the the eye, but it's actually flickering thousands of times per second. Something, that on occassion can be picked up on camera due to frame rates etc.
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....Wow! I'm impressed with the knowledge. Something else which I have learnt today :drinking:
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Well I actually got my copy of Evo through the door today. Verdict on the Scirocco R - it lacks soul :sad1:
I guess that was expected really. What I didn't expect is for the Evora to win.
Does it have the S3 engine? Would explain the soulless part.
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LED's on camera's - have you not noticed it on top gear before? Like when you try and video an old CRT tv
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LED's on camera's - have you not noticed it on top gear before? Like when you try and video an old CRT tv
....Nope, I've never noticed it before :happy2:
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Well I actually got my copy of Evo through the door today. Verdict on the Scirocco R - it lacks soul :sad1:
I guess that was expected really. What I didn't expect is for the Evora to win.
Thanks for that saves me reading it for myself.
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Well I actually got my copy of Evo through the door today. Verdict on the Scirocco R - it lacks soul :sad1:
I guess that was expected really. What I didn't expect is for the Evora to win.
Does it have the S3 engine? Would explain the soulless part.
About the R32:
"Some poor Wolfsburg mensch would have to fire up the heavy-duty forklift and attempt to prise that lardy six-pot into the engine bay of an unsuspecting hatchback. Then he'd do the same with a rear differential, a prop-shaft and some driveshafts. Whereupon a familiar vocabulary would be bestowed upon the vehicle. First would come the inert steering, then the shabby body control, closely followed by curiously asthmatic performance. But all of it would be overshadowed by the main event - some good ol' 4wd understeer."
I'm guessing they didn't think much of the R32 then :wink:
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And I haven't even opened my copy yet :sad1:
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No need for me to spend time in WHSmith's public library then :evilgrin:
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No need for me to spend time in WHSmith's public library then :evilgrin:
If you asked nicely I am sure he would scan it in for you.
Save all of us buying it. :angry015:
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About the R32:
"Some poor Wolfsburg mensch would have to fire up the heavy-duty forklift and attempt to prise that lardy six-pot into the engine bay of an unsuspecting hatchback. Then he'd do the same with a rear differential, a prop-shaft and some driveshafts. Whereupon a familiar vocabulary would be bestowed upon the vehicle. First would come the inert steering, then the shabby body control, closely followed by curiously asthmatic performance. But all of it would be overshadowed by the main event - some good ol' 4wd understeer."
I'm guessing they didn't think much of the R32 then :wink:
:grin: Thats a great quote muct remember that :grin:
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Quite a favourable review over at PH:
http://www.pistonheads.com/roadtests/doc.asp?c=47&i=20974 (http://www.pistonheads.com/roadtests/doc.asp?c=47&i=20974)
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LED's on camera's - have you not noticed it on top gear before? Like when you try and video an old CRT tv
You can't miss it on the Veyron and Ford GT on TG. LOL @ poor wiring... It's all to do with the frame rate.
Autocar rated 'Roco R very highly, they think it's better than the RS - which goes without saying, but is high praise indeed from a car mag. There are 3 RS's on my daily commute now, getting a bit common aren't they? The green is just awful in the flesh, makes the car look so cheap.
Question is, will the Golf R be better or worse than the 'Roco for having the new AWD system? Also funny that both R cars get the EA113, not the EA888 from the Gti which is cleaner and more effecient. I wonder if the cost cutting measures employed on EA888 make it weaker than the EA113?
I'm also chasing a friend of mine who has a lot to do with VW/Audi calibration to see if he can confirm that they are trying out the TT-RS 5pot in a Golf... It started life in a Golf after all!
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LED's on camera's - have you not noticed it on top gear before? Like when you try and video an old CRT tv
....No, I haven't noticed it on TG - I don't often watch it.
You can't miss it on the Veyron and Ford GT on TG. LOL @ poor wiring... It's all to do with the frame rate.
....I wrote "as if" : -
Not sure what's going on with the day time running lights on the Rocco
....They look a bit weak and as if the wiring isn't connected properly - Not cool.
Quite a favourable review over at PH:
http://www.pistonheads.com/roadtests/doc.asp?c=47&i=20974 (http://www.pistonheads.com/roadtests/doc.asp?c=47&i=20974)
....Very good read :happy2:. I still don't much like the Rocco though, whether R or not.
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LED's on camera's - have you not noticed it on top gear before? Like when you try and video an old CRT tv
You can't miss it on the Veyron and Ford GT on TG. LOL @ poor wiring... It's all to do with the frame rate.
Autocar rated 'Roco R very highly, they think it's better than the RS - which goes without saying, but is high praise indeed from a car mag. There are 3 RS's on my daily commute now, getting a bit common aren't they? The green is just awful in the flesh, makes the car look so cheap.
Question is, will the Golf R be better or worse than the 'Roco for having the new AWD system? Also funny that both R cars get the EA113, not the EA888 from the Gti which is cleaner and more effecient. I wonder if the cost cutting measures employed on EA888 make it weaker than the EA113?
I'm also chasing a friend of mine who has a lot to do with VW/Audi calibration to see if he can confirm that they are trying out the TT-RS 5pot in a Golf... It started life in a Golf after all!
As far as I'm led to believe, the TT-RS variant of that engine is kind of 'owned' by Quattro GmbH - being one of VAGs weird little splinter groups with a mind of its own, like BMWs M division.
Thus, it is unlikely they'll allow the engine to be used in anything other than an RS Audi. I think we'll see an RS3 with it in though.
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I'm also chasing a friend of mine who has a lot to do with VW/Audi calibration to see if he can confirm that they are trying out the TT-RS 5pot in a Golf... It started life in a Golf after all!
As far as I'm led to believe, the TT-RS variant of that engine is kind of 'owned' by Quattro GmbH - being one of VAGs weird little splinter groups with a mind of its own, like BMWs M division.
Thus, it is unlikely they'll allow the engine to be used in anything other than an RS Audi. I think we'll see an RS3 with it in though.
....That's a great pity if the 2.5T 5-cyl engine is restricted in application :sad1:. However, why would they now consider it for a Golf/Rocco R unless the next generation beyond, by which time many other things will have changed.
Strong rumours that we won't see a RS3 at all but who knows - It's all speculation.
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Yes, Audi press said it'd only ever go in the TT-RS... but the temptation to have one last blow out on the S3 before the new shape arrives, putting the R20 Golf in its place will surely be too much to pass up.
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Yes, Audi press said it'd only ever go in the TT-RS... but the temptation to have one last blow out on the S3 before the new shape arrives, putting the R20 Golf in its place will surely be too much to pass up.
Has anyone done anything interesting with the 2.5 yet? Can't really find anything more than a generic re-map etc?
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Yes, Audi press said it'd only ever go in the TT-RS... but the temptation to have one last blow out on the S3 before the new shape arrives, putting the R20 Golf in its place will surely be too much to pass up.
Has anyone done anything interesting with the 2.5 yet? Can't really find anything more than a generic re-map etc?
MTM making a 500hp version.
This will replace the TT though.
http://www.germancarzone.com/tt/31097-tt-mk3-r4.html
Porsche chassis, audi engines. Win win.
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Yes, Audi press said it'd only ever go in the TT-RS... but the temptation to have one last blow out on the S3 before the new shape arrives, putting the R20 Golf in its place will surely be too much to pass up.
Has anyone done anything interesting with the 2.5 yet? Can't really find anything more than a generic re-map etc?
MTM making a 500hp version.
This will replace the TT though.
http://www.germancarzone.com/tt/31097-tt-mk3-r4.html
Porsche chassis, audi engines. Win win.
Heard about that a while ago.. Actually just done some digging and it seems there good for 460hp and 470tq with only a map and exhaust.. CRAZY! I want one..
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Yes, Audi press said it'd only ever go in the TT-RS... but the temptation to have one last blow out on the S3 before the new shape arrives, putting the R20 Golf in its place will surely be too much to pass up.
Has anyone done anything interesting with the 2.5 yet? Can't really find anything more than a generic re-map etc?
MTM making a 500hp version.
This will replace the TT though.
http://www.germancarzone.com/tt/31097-tt-mk3-r4.html
Porsche chassis, audi engines. Win win.
god knows if that will come to fruition but that is gorgeous!!
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Yes, Audi press said it'd only ever go in the TT-RS... but the temptation to have one last blow out on the S3 before the new shape arrives, putting the R20 Golf in its place will surely be too much to pass up.
Has anyone done anything interesting with the 2.5 yet? Can't really find anything more than a generic re-map etc?
MTM making a 500hp version.
This will replace the TT though.
http://www.germancarzone.com/tt/31097-tt-mk3-r4.html
Porsche chassis, audi engines. Win win.
Heard about that a while ago.. Actually just done some digging and it seems there good for 460hp and 470tq with only a map and exhaust.. CRAZY! I want one..
Your not the only one. But the possibility of a turboed R4 makes me want to wait and see what happens!
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Yes, really tasty car!
Throw away the soft top (I don't like open tops) and replace with carbon roof section.
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LED's on camera's - have you not noticed it on top gear before? Like when you try and video an old CRT tv
....No, I haven't noticed it on TG - I don't often watch it.
You can't miss it on the Veyron and Ford GT on TG. LOL @ poor wiring... It's all to do with the frame rate.
....I wrote "as if" : -
Not sure what's going on with the day time running lights on the Rocco
....They look a bit weak and as if the wiring isn't connected properly - Not cool.
Quite a favourable review over at PH:
http://www.pistonheads.com/roadtests/doc.asp?c=47&i=20974 (http://www.pistonheads.com/roadtests/doc.asp?c=47&i=20974)
....Very good read :happy2:. I still don't much like the Rocco though, whether R or not.
Blimey... Sorry, it just made me chuckle. I didn't mean it maliciously.
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LED's on camera's - have you not noticed it on top gear before? Like when you try and video an old CRT tv
You can't miss it on the Veyron and Ford GT on TG. LOL @ poor wiring... It's all to do with the frame rate.
Autocar rated 'Roco R very highly, they think it's better than the RS - which goes without saying, but is high praise indeed from a car mag. There are 3 RS's on my daily commute now, getting a bit common aren't they? The green is just awful in the flesh, makes the car look so cheap.
Question is, will the Golf R be better or worse than the 'Roco for having the new AWD system? Also funny that both R cars get the EA113, not the EA888 from the Gti which is cleaner and more effecient. I wonder if the cost cutting measures employed on EA888 make it weaker than the EA113?
I'm also chasing a friend of mine who has a lot to do with VW/Audi calibration to see if he can confirm that they are trying out the TT-RS 5pot in a Golf... It started life in a Golf after all!
As far as I'm led to believe, the TT-RS variant of that engine is kind of 'owned' by Quattro GmbH - being one of VAGs weird little splinter groups with a mind of its own, like BMWs M division.
Thus, it is unlikely they'll allow the engine to be used in anything other than an RS Audi. I think we'll see an RS3 with it in though.
Yes I have heard similar, but this guy I know works very closely with Quattro (he was works for another, albeit former, Audi aquisition) and he still seems to think they are playing with something.
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Blimey... Sorry, it just made me chuckle. I didn't mean it maliciously.
....No problem - The written word is sometimes easily misunderstood. :drinking:
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I did think about swapping the R32 in for the R20 until i saw the released prices!! I'd want V6 turbo for that money...
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Purchase price aside though, I bet the R20 is cheaper to run day-to-day. And, as has been already mentioned, for what you get for the money, I think it's a good car, relatively speaking - very versatile. Very much an RS6/RS4 Avant for a guys/couples without kids or a dog who still wants to go fast and have fun but needs usable boot space - much like myself.
The next gen. S3 is going to have to be pretty nuts and bl**dy expensive to trump it too!
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Purchase price aside though, I bet the R20 is cheaper to run day-to-day. And, as has been already mentioned, for what you get for the money, I think it's a good car, relatively speaking - very versatile. Very much an RS6/RS4 Avant for a guys/couples without kids or a dog who still wants to go fast and have fun but needs usable boot space - much like myself.
....Exactly! You have just perfectly described why the Golf is such a good allrounder :happy2: