MK5 Golf GTI
General => Product Reviews => Topic started by: rich83 on August 13, 2014, 10:47:23 am
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Just some pics to start.... review will come in a week or so.
Brembo TTRS/DB9 Caliper
362mm AP rotor 54mm narrow-ish flange (light)
Pagid RS4-2 pads
HEL lines
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Caliper =2.95kg
Bracket = 0.34kg
Bell/Rotor = 8.65
Pads = 1.0kg (NB... this is the weight of the f40/50 pads... ttrs/db9 pads are lighter as they have less material on them)
12.94kg per corner
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18.5kg per corner
The only review I will give at the moment is they stop the car nauseatingly quickly. The steering wheel also is much lighter.
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Update 29/8/14
So... a few miles have passed. They seem to be getting better and better as the pads bed in. The pedal is quite different vs the R32 setup, the "meat" of the braking comes in a bit later in the pedal travel, I dont see this as a pro or a con really... its just different.
The difference it has made to the way the car drives is quite noticeable. I was convinced that my bushes/dampers were shot and was lining up to get the car fully polybushed, this wont be happening now. The car travels over rough roads much more comfortably (might still look at dampers at some point). With the R32 setup the front end was fairly crashy, and the lightness of the new BBK has made me even more away of how heavy they were. As I have mentioned before the steering is also much lighter now, or if not lighter certainly there is less resistance when you turn the wheel.
Of course, the bit I dont really need to mention is how well they brake. They are ridiculous. Some may say these are overkill, and yes they are :innocent: I doubt Ill ever find the limit of these on the roads and that suits me absolutely fine.
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Sadly I can't see your pictures as you use dropbox. :sad1:
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Awesome :driver: get testing!
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Why come Hedge?
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The weights aren't a true representation....
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...cause you didn't weigh the pad retaining spring :P
Look amazing, I wonder what the difference in weight between the 362mm & 370mm setups is.
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...cause you didn't weigh the pad retaining spring :P
Look amazing, I wonder what the difference in weight between the 362mm & 370mm setups is.
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Not sure on that question.
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couldn't you have got Alex to do some special upside down Brembo logos
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couldn't you have got Alex to do some special upside down Brembo logos
:laugh:
I wanted them to say BRAKES but it would have meant another refurb.
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How wide a spacer did you have to use?
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12mm to retain the pescaras... which was a caveat of the brake kit. I dont want to run aftermarket wheels.
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12mm to retain the pescaras... which was a caveat of the brake kit. I dont want to run aftermarket wheels.
But aftermarket brakes is fine? :P
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Of course! I want it to look as stock/subtle as possible hence the black exhaust tips etc. :innocent:
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ohhhhhh very nice Rich not jealous much :grin:
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Of course! I want it to look as stock/subtle as possible hence the blackdirty exhaust tips etc. :innocent:
:drinking:
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How have the spacers altered the handling, if at all?
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How have the spacers altered the handling, if at all?
Not so noticeable if am being honest. It's the steering feel that you noticed most due to the 5kg diet on each corner.
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I noticed a huge difference when I went from Cupra - nqsbbk
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Yeah I bet. The front end seems less crashy too. Did I mention it stops well? It's like someone dropping a 10 ton anchour behind you.
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How's the pedal feel? At all curious how it would be with the ttrs MC?
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How's the pedal feel? At all curious how it would be with the ttrs MC?
Very different to the r32 caliper.
The first bit of pedal travel does less with the 4pots, where as the r32 would bite quicker. However the r32s do run out of puff when you press the pedal hard, where as the 4pot seem to have much much more actual power. I've had the tyres squealing where as before the brakes just wouldn't.
Doubt I'll do the MC to be honest.
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Very nice!! I must stop reading all these threads with brake upgrades :(
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Very nice upgrade Rich. Me likey :happy2:
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Very nice upgrade Rich. Me likey :happy2:
:happy2:
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:laugh:
I wanted them to say BRAKES but it would have meant another refurb.
NOOOOO don't refurb them!!!!! ;)
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I doubt these will offer much of an upgrade over Mike's old 996tt 350mm brakes I am running, but if they do then I'm all ears Dave/Alex :evilgrin:
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I doubt these will offer much of an upgrade over Mike's old 996tt 350mm brakes I am running, but if they do then I'm all ears Dave/Alex :evilgrin:
You'll get a name for yourself trying all these different brake kits :innocent: :P
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Lovely! Awesome set up Rich not to mention they look bloody gorgeous. :happy2:
Can't decide between these next or the TTRS offering. Is there a difference, anyone know?
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What what Alex has told me these are hydraulically the same as the TTRS calipers.
If using the ttrs caliper with 362mm discs then the flange is wider than these and therefore a bit heavier.
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^^^^ Interesting, thanks for the info fella. I'm seeing young Master Kerr next week, I'll chew his ear. :happy2:
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^^^^ Interesting, thanks for the info fella. I'm seeing young Master Kerr next week, I'll chew his ear. :happy2:
Yes. Monday I believe. What time? I might swing past.
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I'll be there from 9am (M25 traffic allowing :grin:). Be good to see you. :happy2:
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I doubt these will offer much of an upgrade over Mike's old 996tt 350mm brakes I am running, but if they do then I'm all ears Dave/Alex :evilgrin:
You'll get a name for yourself trying all these different brake kits :innocent: :P
ha ha, am guessing might notice more difference by changing B12 for Ohlins....
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I doubt these will offer much of an upgrade over Mike's old 996tt 350mm brakes I am running, but if they do then I'm all ears Dave/Alex :evilgrin:
You'll get a name for yourself trying all these different brake kits :innocent: :P
ha ha, am guessing might notice more difference by changing B12 for Ohlins....
:party: :party: :party:
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I doubt these will offer much of an upgrade over Mike's old 996tt 350mm brakes I am running, but if they do then I'm all ears Dave/Alex :evilgrin:
You'll get a name for yourself trying all these different brake kits :innocent: :P
ha ha, am guessing might notice more difference by changing B12 for Ohlins....
:party: :party: :party:
Did someone mention Ohlins??
He's definitely twitching.
Feeling a bit underbraked (visually) with my 330mm discs now boys..the brakes look great Rich.
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Very nice!! I must stop reading all these threads with brake upgrades :(
I know what you mean. All the talk of this remap gets you 1 pony and 3 torques more than that one bores me senseless, but brake porn threads make my credit card tingle!
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I know the calipers are quite big but somehow they look nice an compact when on
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Ohh.. and apparently, this is the only kit like this. The calipers are not readily available, and these are one off brackets. :signLOL:
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You need to add "Brembo" to your sig pic now :wink:
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You need to add "Brembo" to your sig pic now :wink:
:smiley:
Small problem with the calipers. The outer Pistons are sticking and causing the pads to bind so it's with Alex being sorted out now. If it can't be fixed then I'll be swapping these out for the some red. TTRS calipers.
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You need to add "Brembo" to your sig pic now :wink:
:smiley:
Small problem with the calipers. The outer Pistons are sticking and causing the pads to bind so it's with Alex being sorted out now. If it can't be fixed then I'll be swapping these out for the some red. TTRS calipers.
making me really jealous now if you have ttrs calipers on
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You need to add "Brembo" to your sig pic now :wink:
Or a Brembo sticker under his wing mirror, just like all the cool kids :P
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Well...... Those didn't last long.
TTRS calipers going on tomorrow. Same discs and pads sane piston sizes so braking should be the same. Plus, the ttrs are monoblock calipers so in theory the should flex less.
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that mean them calipers are going cheap :signLOL:
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that mean them calipers are going cheap :signLOL:
No, they should be going in the bin. :happy2:
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that mean them calipers are going cheap :signLOL:
No, they should be going in the bin. :happy2:
:signLOL:
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Buy cheap, buy twice. :grin:
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Buy cheap, buy twice. :grin:
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that mean them calipers are going cheap :signLOL:
No, they should be going in the bin. :happy2:
:signLOL:
They are going on EBay! :signLOL:
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Id love to know why they dont work... as am sure both you and dave would.
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Id love to know why they dont work... as am sure both you and dave would.
Were you pressing on the middle pedal? :laugh:
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Id love to know why they dont work... as am sure both you and dave would.
Were you pressing on the middle pedal? :laugh:
I dont have a middle pedal :wink:
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Id love to know why they dont work... as am sure both you and dave would.
The F40 had more turbo boostings to help push the pistons back...? :grin:
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i know a nice tdi they would look nice on :innocent:
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YES..... they are finally on, in revised TTRS format!
Before the decals went on
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It has also meant that the 12mm spacer is now an 8mm spacer which I am much happier about as 12mm was right on the limit clearance wise.
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I'm confused. You used pic 2 on page 1...
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I edited the first post to reflect the actual kit as it stands and is actually available... and works :happy2:
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I edited the first post to reflect the actual kit as it stands and is actually available... and works :happy2:
Is Alex going to keep producing these kits to order or is there a limited run, of say 10-15 of them?
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I edited the first post to reflect the actual kit as it stands and is actually available... and works :happy2:
Is Alex going to keep producing these kits to order or is there a limited run, of say 10-15 of them?
No limit as far as I can see as the supply of calipers is good.... Just search on eBay.
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I believe Alex has a good stock of the Aston calipers :smiley:
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I believe Alex has a good stock of the Aston calipers :smiley:
cool, am i missing something re the f40 caliper as was that not used perfectly well on the 370mm kits? :confused:
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My F40 / 370 kit is great :happy2: not sure why Rich went with 362, probably due to the offset of the wheels and the design of the bells
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I don't think the 370mm discs are available anymore.
There has been 2 sets of f40 calipers with problems. Mine which were refurbished and montes which came off Alex's VRS. The were fine on the VRS but as soon as they were fitted to the golf they suffered the same effect as mine. I.e jamming pistons.
Plus. The brackets that I had on with the f40 calipers were IMO rubbish and sat the caliper/pad too far out (presumably they were for the 370mm disc not actually for the 362mm)
I am much happier with these now. The pads sits perfectly on the edge of the disc. :happy2:
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I don't think the 370mm discs are available anymore.
There has been 2 sets of f40 calipers with problems. Mine which were refurbished and montes which came off Alex's VRS. The were fine on the VRS but as soon as they were fitted to the golf they suffered the same effect as mine. I.e jamming pistons.
Plus. The brackets that I had on with the f40 calipers were IMO rubbish and sat the caliper/pad too far out (presumably they were for the 370mm disc not actually for the 362mm)
I am much happier with these now. The pads sits perfectly on the edge of the disc. :happy2:
Rich - as they are fully floating, any rattling at all?
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None.
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Having had my TTRS calipers/ TTS discs fitted a couple weeks ago I can categorically say these brakes are immense and far
better Stronger than the NQSBBK I had fitted to the Golf.
If I had any complaints, the RS4-2's are still quite aggressive compared to the DS2500 I'm used to.
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Added a missing photo to the first post and an started to do a mini review
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I don't think the 370mm discs are available anymore.
There has been 2 sets of f40 calipers with problems. Mine which were refurbished and montes which came off Alex's VRS. The were fine on the VRS but as soon as they were fitted to the golf they suffered the same effect as mine. I.e jamming pistons.
Plus. The brackets that I had on with the f40 calipers were IMO rubbish and sat the caliper/pad too far out (presumably they were for the 370mm disc not actually for the 362mm)
I am much happier with these now. The pads sits perfectly on the edge of the disc. :happy2:
Rich without wanting to hijack your thread thats really quite inaccurate (wrong!). The caliper bracket for the F40 caliper is actually configured for the 362 and then it had a laser cut machined plate installed with longer bolts to actually adapt the kit to the 370mm rotor, the 362mm/370mm discs are the same offset on purpose.....cant think why
In addition race pads are notoriously inaccurate in manufacture, this is why when kits are manufactured its always done with NEW bearings/discs and OEM pads. You have to have a datum somewhere, Pagid are the worse for shape thickness and alignment, Mintex are the best....
IMO of course
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Ok... well thats just what I found and saw and presumed wrongly then. Must just be the pads inaccurate manufacturing... either way it wasnt right. However the RS42 pads in the DB9 calipers fit perfectly on the edge of the disc.... maybe just a fluke? :confused:
Sadly dont have pics, but I would say they over hung 3-4mm on the F40s (hence me wrongly presuming 370-362 = 8mm/2 = 4mm overhang )
Anyway.... all I will say is these so far (touch wood) have been problem free.
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Was about 1mm overhang at the worst point. Mainly as that Brembo F40 caliper is designed for a smaller disc so it's really the pad shape that makes it overhang.
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Fantastic set up and look good value all things considered.
Going to copy you soon only with the 340mm discs for now,had a look at one of those calipers today... simply gorgeous,if Alex wasn't going on Hol he would still be there fitting them now :smiley: pics really don't do them justice,Pass the Kleenex... :grin:
Hopefully I wont need more than 8mm spacer with my Glendales,or we will be poxed
Rich,How are they with general commute style driving? noisy,squeaky etc. i'v driven DB9's/Vantage and they seen pretty normal oem ish on the brakes.
Also anyone know the weight of a Stock (312mm or whatever it is) gti caliper?
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Well, to my surprise they are very well manoured. Pretty much silent except the wirring from the slotted rotors when braking hard. You won't get that if you use plain discs.
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Fantastic set up and look good value all things considered.
Going to copy you soon only with the 340mm discs for now,had a look at one of those calipers today... simply gorgeous,if Alex wasn't going on Hol he would still be there fitting them now :smiley: pics really don't do them justice,Pass the Kleenex... :grin:
Hopefully I wont need more than 8mm spacer with my Glendales,or we will be poxed
Rich,How are they with general commute style driving? noisy,squeaky etc. i'v driven DB9's/Vantage and they seen pretty normal oem ish on the brakes.
Also anyone know the weight of a Stock (312mm or whatever it is) gti caliper?
OEM Rotors 312mm (7.75 kg)
OEM Caliper & Carrier (5.5kg)
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Well, to my surprise they are very well manoured. Pretty much silent except the wirring from the slotted rotors when braking hard. You won't get that if you use plain discs.
Took me a while to get used to that, i was plaguing Alex, convinced that the pad clips were rattling :chicken:
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Stupid question, but can the TTRS calipers be used with the 340mm J-hook 1 piece discs, to keep costs down? Hoping to get this setup next year but thinking about budget and servicing costs. I appear to have chewed through my stock OEM pads on my mk6 R brakes within 15,000 miles (quite a bit of hard braking).
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Stupid question, but can the TTRS calipers be used with the 340mm J-hook 1 piece discs, to keep costs down? Hoping to get this setup next year but thinking about budget and servicing costs. I appear to have chewed through my stock OEM pads on my mk6 R brakes within 15,000 miles (quite a bit of hard braking).
Absolutely... just needs a different bracket :happy2:
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Cool stuff! Was thinking of using the 340mm disc with my current caliper now and some decent pads, that way I can spread the cost and lie to myself about how much more money I'm spending on the Golf!
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Cool stuff! Was thinking of using the 340mm disc with my current caliper now and some decent pads, that way I can spread the cost and lie to myself about how much more money I'm spending on the Golf!
Good idea... :grin:
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Now to get hold of said discs... :P
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Now to get hold of said discs... :P
You know who to call..... :popcornsoda:
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Urm, yeah... It's DaveB, right? No, Alex..? I don't know! :sad1:
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Urm, yeah... It's DaveB, right? No, Alex..? I don't know! :sad1:
Me, lol.
It's sort of all changed slightly with Dave. He is basically wholesale only now, with myself, Awesome and Stattlers being the UK distributers for Vagbremtechnic. Means that there will be more stock held in the UK to aid waiting times. Dave has always been busting his gut ( :grin:) to keep up with all the workload. Now he can sit back a little getting new and exciting products built.
I keep the discs, and the brackets you need to get the 340mm and the DB9/TTRS calipers onto the cars.
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Ah, OK then. I may have to order a set of 340mm discs off you, assume there's no problem using them with R32/S3 front calipers? Also, do you recommend and particular pad for those calipers as well, I have been using Ferodo OE replacement ones but as I said, think I've chewed through them in about 15,000 miles. Certainly getting that noise you get when brake pads are worn low.
Out of interest, what's the prices on the discs, calipers and brackets? (Sorry if this has been asked millions of times, but couldn't see it in this review.)
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You cant see it on this review because thats a different kit :wink:
I didnt mention the price anywhere.... because if anyone wants them they will just ask alex :smiley:
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Fair enough. I'm scared to talk to Alex as I'll go in wanting just brake discs and come away with a K04 conversion, BBK and full chassis mods.
I am right in thinking the Vagbremtech 340mm J-hooks are lighter than OE 345mm R32 discs?
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Fair enough. I'm scared to talk to Alex as I'll go in wanting just brake discs and come away with a K04 conversion, BBK and full chassis mods.
I am right in thinking the Vagbremtech 340mm J-hooks are lighter than OE 345mm R32 discs?
The 340mm diacs are either pagid or brembo and are ~10kg vs 12 of the 345mm
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What does the 2 piece rotor weigh
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What does the 2 piece rotor weigh
8 and a bit kg. Look at the first page.
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What does the 2 piece rotor weigh
8 and a bit kg. Look at the first page.
Thanks :happy2: