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General => Random Chat => Topic started by: Jomty on September 05, 2014, 06:44:53 pm
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This is really an eye opener, I know a lot of us will admit to driving enthusiastically but this puts into perspective how easily and quickly these things happen.
It's not graphic in anyway but it shows the actual accident as it happens.
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As you said " This is a really an eye opener"! So so easy to happen to anyone who rides a bike with a love for speed.
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Jesus, That's crazy s**t
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Yeah, it really puts emphasis on "look and look again". The police report says the driver and the car behind both didn't see him, and he was doing 97mph at the time of collision.
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The driver might not have seen him but he was doing almost 50% over the speed limit. As much as everyone enjoys a fast drive/ride, I think he was very foolish to do that kind of speed through a junction like that, especially on a bike
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The driver might not have seen him but he was doing almost 50% over the speed limit. As much as everyone enjoys a fast drive/ride, I think he was very foolish to do that kind of speed through a junction like that, especially on a bike
That was the Motorcyclists mistake , junctions , junctions , junctions are where the most danger is whether you are in a car or motorbike . Ask any other advanced trained driver/rider .
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Yeah obviously the bikers fault, as unfortunate as it is. There's another hard hitting ad they use in New Zealand or Australia. I'll try and find it.
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Having hit more things than I care to admit on bikes with and without an engine, it really doesn't take much to put bones where they shouldn't be, you really have no chance at those speeds.
Yes, he was speeding, he was IN for a good old time before the car made a move - he paid the ultimate price for putting his faith in the car driver.
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Thoughts go out to his family. Rip.
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Not good !!!!!
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My heart just sank when you see the car turn. Then he's laid silent in the grass.
Just wanna give his mam a hug bless her :sad1:
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The bikers fault doing 100mph the driver in the car had no idea how quick that bike would get to him
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The bikers fault doing 100mph the driver in the car had no idea how quick that bike would get to him
Driver said he didn't see him.
If he DID see him, and had "no idea" or wasn't sure of his speed, then he shouldn't have crossed, or at the very least made a decent effort at crossing quickly.
Yes, the biker was at fault for speeding, but you don't pull out because someone else is doing wrong... I really hope he just didn't see him.
Either way, the biker paid the big price, RIP.
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The driver might not have seen him but he was doing almost 50% over the speed limit. As much as everyone enjoys a fast drive/ride, I think he was very foolish to do that kind of speed through a junction like that, especially on a bike
At point of impact his speed was 97mph. Allowing for possible error, slowing slightly from shutting the throttle or whatever, call it 100mph traveling speed. That's 66% over the speed limit.
The biker had little chance once the car driver looked and registered only a car coming towards him at legal speeds. Unfortunately for the biker that was his moment (the moment that all bikers have which defines the rest of their lives) and he didn't survive it. I was lucky, I survived mine. Never ridden a bike since, and I know that's the reason I'm still alive now. If I'd stayed on a bike I'd certainly be dead now because I was just like him.
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A sad story, I was on that road a few days ago and saw the flowers tied to a road sign post :sad1:
However it is a clear example of excessive speed in a high risk area is dangerous
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Very brave of the family to allow that video to be used, respect. Tragic loss.
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very sad indeed!
That's a crazy accident, on the outside city road. Bike was speeding but the cage driver did not yield when he should have. Cager's fault.... I did not see you is not an excuse and the bike was not doing like 120 mph... Speed limit there was like 60 mph and I bet you many cagers were doing 80 there in reality.
There is a big discussion now over courts being lenient in such cases. Driver should be probably imprisoned for 10 years....
Paul
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From the time the biker overtook the car to the point of impact is 5 seconds. In that 5 seconds the biker traveled approx. 750ft (or 250yds). Had he been obeying the law and traveling at 60mph then he would have covered just 450ft (150yds). You can't travel at those speeds and rely on other people to get you out of the sh*t hole you land yourself in, because at some point it's going to end up like this. Unfortunately for the car driver, people are keen to lay the blame at his feet rather than at the feet of the speeding idiot ("legend" to his friends apparently).
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Biker is not saint here but there is no argument that cager caused the accident and not the biker.... Biker was riding in the correct lane and a car came in this lane unlawfully as simple as that. Cager should yield and he did not. Obviously if biker was riding slower perhaps he could have avoid the car or even attempt braking or the car would have managed to finish the turn. Car misjudged the speed of bike is a common cause of accidents...
Paul
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In this instance it's very likely that when the driver looked for oncoming vehicles (and saw a car traveling at road legal speeds) the biker wasn't there. In that case the statement "I never saw him" was possibly incorrect, and should be modified to read "When I checked for oncoming traffic the biker was not there." Had the biker been driving at road legal speed, he would still not be there when the diver made his turn.
In any event, another motorcyclist has died. That doesn't surprise me, it just makes me glad that I'm no longer one of them. If there's a chance that I'm going to be involved in a fatal accident with a motorbike, I'm glad I'm the one driving sensibly in a car...
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From the time the biker overtook the car to the point of impact is 5 seconds. In that 5 seconds the biker traveled approx. 750ft (or 250yds). Had he been obeying the law and traveling at 60mph then he would have covered just 450ft (150yds). You can't travel at those speeds and rely on other people to get you out of the sh*t hole you land yourself in, because at some point it's going to end up like this. Unfortunately for the car driver, people are keen to lay the blame at his feet rather than at the feet of the speeding idiot ("legend" to his friends apparently).
Totally agree with the above.
I see so many bikers on the road riding like assholes
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Still 5 seconds of obversation time... count them.
How many do you get at 60/65mph?... 7 seconds?
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Still 5 seconds of obversation time... count them.
How many do you get at 60/65mph?... 7 seconds?
Oh so traveling at 100 mph is ok now is it ?
Going past a junction were every biker knows a car driver never looks propley
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Still 5 seconds of obversation time... count them.
How many do you get at 60/65mph?... 7 seconds?
Oh so traveling at 100 mph is ok now is it ?
Yes, that's exactly what I mean. :indifferent:
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Still 5 seconds of obversation time... count them.
How many do you get at 60/65mph?... 7 seconds?
Oh so traveling at 100 mph is ok now is it ?
Yes, that's exactly what I mean. :indifferent:
Sorry I did not read propley
It's very sad he paid with his life ,you see it every day 95% of bike riders,
Ride like dick heads.
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Guys the thread was placed on here just to make us all aware of what could and can happen, not for us to all point the finger and blame, if we all had to pay the price with our lives for a day when we've had a mad drive or ride theres a very good chance 90% of us on here wouldn't be here today. bloody awful way to go out. so I say rip again.
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Guys the thread was placed on here just to make us all aware of what could and can happen, not for us to all point the finger and blame, if we all had to pay the price with our lives for a day when we've had a mad drive or ride theres a very good chance 90% of us on here wouldn't be here today. bloody awful way to go out. so I say rip again.
Point taken was just being honest,
After watching him overtake anything in his way
Speeding at 100mph I think he was takin the piss to be honest
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A ton on a fast bike is cruising, I think we've established that he was speeding.
GTI's are VERY
slow compared to a fast bike.
It was a bad move by the biker.
It was a bad move by the driver.
C'est la vie.
RIP.
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A ton on a fast bike is cruising, I think we've established that he was speeding.
GTI's are VERY
slow compared to a fast bike.
It was a bad move by the biker.
It was a bad move by the driver.
C'est la vie.
RIP.
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A ton on a fast bike is cruising, I think we've established that he was speeding.
GTI's are VERY
slow compared to a fast bike.
It was a bad move by the biker.
It was a bad move by the driver.
C'est la vie.
RIP.
I still think the biker was at fault and he paid for it ,
Slow down and respect other road users
End of !,,
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I still think the biker was at fault and he paid for it ,
Slow down and respect other road users
End of !
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Bet the cager was an old fudder... like that program recently about 100 year old drivers... most of them hadn't had an accident in all their years, they'd seen A LOT though :rolleye:
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Bet the cager was an old fudder... like that program recently about 100 year old drivers... most of them hadn't had an accident in all their years, they'd seen A LOT though :rolleye:
Old or young the biker was a dick head
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I saw this video for the first time today. Horrific.
However, my feelings are that the biker was riding WAAAY too fast. If he was going just that bit slower he could have steered around the car.
Thank-you to the family for making this tragic film public so we can all think about how we drive :sad1:
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Bet the cager was an old fudder... like that program recently about 100 year old drivers... most of them hadn't had an accident in all their years, they'd seen A LOT though :rolleye:
Old or young the biker was a dick head
Lets hope you don't ever do anything wrong and suffer the same as this rider. We all do stupid things and a bit of respect for this man would not go amiss :innocent:
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Why should I respect him??
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Bet the cager was an old fudder... like that program recently about 100 year old drivers... most of them hadn't had an accident in all their years, they'd seen A LOT though :rolleye:
Old or young the biker was a dick head
Unnecessary.
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Bet the cager was an old fudder... like that program recently about 100 year old drivers... most of them hadn't had an accident in all their years, they'd seen A LOT though :rolleye:
Old or young the biker was a dick head
Try showing some respect for the fella, he may have been riding way too fast on a public rad but that doesn't warrant his death or your disdain.
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Why should I respect him??
If you really need someone to answer this you really are someone we don't want on this forum
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Respect is not the word to be used here. Respect is reserved for people who fought for our country in war for example, or for surgeons who spend their working days saving lives, or possibly even for the postman who manages to deliver the mail on foot when there's 12" of snow on the ground. Respect is not what I would feel for any person breaking the law and dying as a result.
I don't respect politicians who abuse their powers and claim expenses fraudulently, nor do I respect the police who find it necessary to manufacture evidence to convict people who are innocent of the crime they are charged with, or the slimy git who thought it reasonable to put a deep scratch down the side of my last car for no apparent reason.
Respect is something to be given when deserved. In what way does the bike rider gain or earn respect? I feel sorry for his mother, and for the driver of the car who survived and has to live with the consequence of his / her actions, and also for the biker. But I can't find any respect anywhere for any of them, save perhaps his mother who is doing the most noble thing she can to try and make sure no one else has to go through the same thing.
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The fact he was a human being who lost their life would be the reason .
Where have the police fabricated evidence in a court case ? How does that effect every police officer ?
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You don't seriously need anyone to search google to find the many cases of fabricated evidence, do you? Seriously?
Hillsborough and Birmingham Six are just a couple which spring to mind. Where did I say it applied to every police officer by the way?
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Well every action has a reaction and in this case a tragic outcome.
Another two motorcyclists died on Norfolk's roads today
http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/two_motorcyclists_killed_in_collision_between_haddiscoe_and_hales_1_3760748
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Hey guys I work with a guy who knew him closely. I used to own a r6 and go out riding with my work mate who is absolutely nuts, yes we have all sped I do in my edition but not half as much on my bike and riding with others got me into a lot of trouble hence me selling up the bikes. Alec my workmate rides like a complete arsehole and knows it and admits he will end up like this one day. The difference is now days most car drivers with quicker cars speed every now and then but because it's a big vehicle it's difficult to do it all the time, whereas the point I'm getting at bikers including me when I had one speed 95% of the time it's easy to do there's room to do it and within seconds it's fatal. My thoughts are both were in the wrong tbh at that speed with a bike coming towards me I can see for the older generation it would be hard to judge a bike especially if you hesitant for a second then decide to clutch gear and move, there's your 5 seconds. Problem is the biker lost out for the sheer fact no protection at that speed. Really feel for the driveras he has that on his shoulders for life now.
Rip buddy!!
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The point I don't agree with at the end of the video is the "Think Bike!". It is too often used when inappropriate.
It is very sad the guy lost his life in such a way, but who's to say if he hadn't died there, then at the next junction or crossing some innocent 8 year old would have been hit by him and killed instead?........Pre-emptive karma?
I live close to the Derbyshire Dales and it is bezerk the speeds that some bikers do. I personally know of several bikers who have lost their lives or ended up badly injured due to very high speed accidents.
I do understand that any driver needs to pay attention when pulling into or out of a junction, in this case I wouldn't like to comment as the driver of the car admitted that he hadn't even seen the car coming let alone the biker that overtook the car!
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I hope many of those commenting on this are never called to jury service. With a few honourable exceptions, all I can see are snap judgements, ignorance of the law and complete disregard for those who knew this young man and his family.
I make mistakes every time I drive. I make mistakes every time I ride a motorbike or a bicycle. I know that because I concentrate - hard - on every drive and ride. I have NEVER been in a car with someone who's perfect, and I would be very surprised if anyone here was a perfect driver. If you think you are, then I would suggest that you lack self-awareness or the capacity to be self-critical.
This was, in my opinion , a tragedy caused by youthful exuberance (we've all been there) and a driver who looked far enough up the road to see anyone travelling at perhaps 50mph towards him, but no further. It will have been a tragedy for both sides.
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I've seen a couple of grim motorcycle cases over the years. I would never ride one on the public highway end of. Majority of blame will rest with car driver here as they have turned across path of correctly proceeding vehicle; speed in itself is not an act of negligence, 80:20 in bikers favour. It is better to die like that than be left paralysed from the neck down like some I have seen
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the crunch does go through me everytime i repeated the video
RIP to the dude
on a straight road like that unless your blind or didnt look properly most people with half a brain can judge the speed of a motorcycle/car coming towards them
also the biker could have avoided the accident, it is a ridiculous speed to be doing going into a junction
both are at fault, both could have avoided the accident..
most people on the road are not enthusiastic drivers like some of us, they dont enjoy driving and just want to get home and dont take a 2nd look unfortunatley
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Don't be too quick to say people deserve death until you can give life to those who have life taken from them unfairly. We're all allowed opinions of course, just be careful how to word them to avoid causing anger.
My opinion is simple. Want to drive fast and on the edge? Go to the track. It's bad manors to drive dangerously on public roads.