MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: KRL on November 11, 2009, 10:18:12 am
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I'm just curious as to why people are not considering the BSH True Seal Intake along with the new Forge Twintake and the ITG?
From my research it has a lot going for it and can be had at a significantly cheaper price than the ITG and probably the Forge as well.
- It has 67mm ID piping throughout
- MAF placement is the same as stock
- Short intake pipe meaning the air has less bends to negotiate and not as far to travel
- Sealed RAM style intake with the true seal box using the OEM position
- Integrated bung for remotely loacated DV (Dubtek will provide people with a silcone reducer for this to fit the OEM DV hoses)
- Great results and review from testing with it in the US
Going on the above I have decided to order one and will do a write up of the installation and review of how it performs including extensive logging.
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I Agree, my reason was was because I spent weeks trying to get details from BSH about this kit at the start of the year to get info on fitment for K04 based cars, but never got a response (this was before dubtek became a BSH dealer).
So this is why I went with ITG :happy2:
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I Agree, my reason was was because I spent weeks trying to get details from BSH about this kit at the start of the year to get info on fitment for K04 based cars, but never go a response (this was before dubtek became a BSH dealer).
x2, I bought the EVOMS because at the time ITG or Forge Twintake wasn't available :smiley:
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I Agree, my reason was was because I spent weeks trying to get details from BSH about this kit at the start of the year to get info on fitment for K04 based cars, but never got a response (this was before dubtek became a BSH dealer).
So this is why I went with ITG :happy2:
x3 spoken to dubtek a few times about it nothing :sad1:
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Im interested in this kit also, forgive my lack of knowledge but what does the DV relocation mean? I have a KO3 gti so would i need the relocation kit?
DUBTEK - help :party:
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I am soon to be importing a batch of these if anyone is interested. I cant say too much as im not listed as a trader as of yet but i will be happy to answer any quesstions privatly.
On a personal note from my point of view i rate the BSH on the k03 AND k04 , i run the kit on my k04 and its flawless and looks and fits nice. feel free to ask any questions here about the kit (not selling)
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Aren't the EVOMS, VF, Neuspeed, and BSH intakes all very similar to each other? Apart from perhaps differences in their MAF housing measurements.
They all have heat shielding around the open filter but I question how effective any of their shielding methods are when compared with a fully enclosed filter.
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Im interested in this kit also, forgive my lack of knowledge but what does the DV relocation mean? I have a KO3 gti so would i need the relocation kit?
DUBTEK - help :party:
The kit comes with a blank off bung for the remote DV pipe, you dont need to do anything other than fit the bung on your k03 car .
cheers
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Im interested in this kit also, forgive my lack of knowledge but what does the DV relocation mean? I have a KO3 gti so would i need the relocation kit?
DUBTEK - help :party:
The kit comes with a blank off bung for the remote DV pipe, you dont need to do anything other than fit the bung on your k03 car .
cheers
Thank you K1- so straight plug and play
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Im interested in this kit also, forgive my lack of knowledge but what does the DV relocation mean? I have a KO3 gti so would i need the relocation kit?
DUBTEK - help :party:
The kit comes with a blank off bung for the remote DV pipe, you dont need to do anything other than fit the bung on your k03 car .
cheers
Thank you K1- so straight plug and play
yup, everything is in the box, will take about 35 mins start to finish for a 1st timer to fit, i can help with fitting if anyone needs it too
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I had no problems getting replies from Dubtek when talking to Ben via email. You can contact them on sales@hosesolutions.org.uk.
@ Robin - the BSH is different from the Nuespeed etc because the tray is actually sealed against the bonnet.
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he sells them on ebay for £150 so u cant knock it all
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Aren't the EVOMS, VF, Neuspeed, and BSH intakes all very similar to each other? Apart from perhaps differences in their MAF housing measurements.
They all have heat shielding around the open filter but I question how effective any of their shielding methods are when compared with a fully enclosed filter.
The heat shielding is in effect the same as a sealed airbox, what you lose in not having it 100% sealed off you gain from it not being right next to the engine... swings and roundabouts.
This of course only matters when standing still, ramming air into either will instantly cool them down, as plastic is a terrible heat conducter.
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I had no problems getting replies from Dubtek when talking to Ben via email. You can contact them on sales@hosesolutions.org.uk.
@ Robin - the BSH is different from the Nuespeed etc because the tray is actually sealed against the bonnet.
....No communication problems so far with Ben @ Dubtek from me either.
Theoretically I thought that all those I listed are supposed to seal against the bonnet. I doubt if it's a good seal against a carbon bonnet or one without a bonnet lining. And we all know what I feel about blocks of foam tacked on.
Although incredibly expensive, the GruppeM intake probably captures the most air and seals it the best from the engine bay.
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I had no problems getting replies from Dubtek when talking to Ben via email. You can contact them on sales@hosesolutions.org.uk.
@ Robin - the BSH is different from the Nuespeed etc because the tray is actually sealed against the bonnet.
....No communication problems so far with Ben @ Dubtek from me either.
Theoretically I thought that all those I listed are supposed to seal against the bonnet. I doubt if it's a good seal against a carbon bonnet or one without a bonnet lining. And we all know what I feel about blocks of foam tacked on.
Although incredibly expensive, the GruppeM intake probably captures the most air and seals it the best from the engine bay.
any pics?
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I had no problems getting replies from Dubtek when talking to Ben via email. You can contact them on sales@hosesolutions.org.uk.
@ Robin - the BSH is different from the Nuespeed etc because the tray is actually sealed against the bonnet.
....No communication problems so far with Ben @ Dubtek from me either.
Theoretically I thought that all those I listed are supposed to seal against the bonnet. I doubt if it's a good seal against a carbon bonnet or one without a bonnet lining. And we all know what I feel about blocks of foam tacked on.
Although incredibly expensive, the GruppeM intake probably captures the most air and seals it the best from the engine bay.
I have not got time to post the pics now however I am pretty sure the VF does not deal properly as it acutally has holes in the shield for the VF logo, I'm not so sure about the EVOMS and the Neuspeed though.
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Aren't the EVOMS, VF, Neuspeed, and BSH intakes all very similar to each other? Apart from perhaps differences in their MAF housing measurements.
They all have heat shielding around the open filter but I question how effective any of their shielding methods are when compared with a fully enclosed filter.
The heat shielding is in effect the same as a sealed airbox, what you lose in not having it 100% sealed off you gain from it not being right next to the engine... swings and roundabouts.
This of course only matters when standing still, ramming air into either will instantly cool them down, as plastic is a terrible heat conducter.
....Good point about heatsoak when standing still.
But, even if better heatshielded (some are questionable), an additional downside of having the filter off to one side in front of the battery is that you miss what is considered to be the better full frontal inlet position. GruppeM and Forge Twintake offerings capture the best of both worlds - GruppeM capturing more air but the Twintake having the greatest surface area of filter.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.golfmkv.com%2Fforums%2Fattachment.php%3Fattachmentid%3D35074%26amp%3Bd%3D1227607541&hash=fb28e4512384129963937936f888e6f4927539bf)
GruppeM (megabucks!) : -
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I don't get the GruppeM - just looks like an expensive and fancy answer to a problem that didn't really need that much fixing.
So far as I see, all it does is move the standard filter out of the OEM airbox and put it into a larger version of a Carbonio? I'd wager you'd see equal if not better airflow figures from a £150 BSH one.
(https://www.gruppem.co.jp/onlinestore_en/images/ram/fri0188.jpg)
(https://www.gruppem.co.jp/onlinestore_en/images/ram/kit_fri0188.jpg)
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u do get to keep your engine cover with that one and the oem heatsheild
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I have not got time to post the pics now however I am pretty sure the VF does not deal properly as it acutally has holes in the shield for the VF logo, I'm not so sure about the EVOMS and the Neuspeed though.
....Indeed the VF does have a punched out logo. I noticed that too and it immediately struck me that it was a contradiction!
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It is in front of the battery though. However, there is masses of open space in the 'shield' around the pipe!
I don't know, my engine bay only seems to get really hot around the turbo area, but I guess my bonnet extract vent helps.
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So far as I see, all it does is move the standard filter out of the OEM airbox and put it into a larger version of a Carbonio? I'd wager you'd see equal if not better airflow figures from a £150 BSH one.
Results from the US show that it flows better than the EVOMs, Carbonio, Neuspeed... So it will be interesting to see how it flows compared to the ITG. Although my car is only stage 1 at the moment so I would not expect it to be able to achieve its potential yet.
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I have not got time to post the pics now however I am pretty sure the VF does not deal properly as it acutally has holes in the shield for the VF logo, I'm not so sure about the EVOMS and the Neuspeed though.
....Indeed the VF does have a punched out logo. I noticed that too and it immediately struck me that it was a contradiction!
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jkm.org.uk%2Fperformance%2FMisc%2FMisc_Performance_pictures%2Fproducts%2520page%2520parts%2FEVOMS%2Fvfbigatjkm.jpg&hash=2243d9c72f47e6981f0e1ce296b403c11ed57201)
It is in front of the battery though. However, there is masses of open space in the 'shield' around the pipe!
I don't know, my engine bay only seems to get really hot around the turbo area, but I guess my bonnet extract vent helps.
Also noticed how big the hole for the intake tube is! There is a lot of air going to pass through there as well.
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I don't get the GruppeM - just looks like an expensive and fancy answer to a problem that didn't really need that much fixing.
So far as I see, all it does is move the standard filter out of the OEM airbox and put it into a larger version of a Carbonio? I'd wager you'd see equal if not better airflow figures from a £150 BSH one.
(https://www.gruppem.co.jp/onlinestore_en/images/ram/fri0188.jpg)
(https://www.gruppem.co.jp/onlinestore_en/images/ram/kit_fri0188.jpg)
....You don't have to use the oem engine cover/box - You can spend even more money and add pipework : -
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Note to self - read RR's post fully before replying :ashamed:
It is in front of the battery though. However, there is masses of open space in the 'shield' around the pipe!
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I have the ITG, cuprak1 the BSH. If I was to do it all again I would have just got the BSH. Nothing beats the BSH for VFM.
We can get some flow figures up to compare the two if someone with VAG COM meets up with us, if not I will try and get DanGB to assist.
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I have not got time to post the pics now however I am pretty sure the VF does not deal properly as it acutally has holes in the shield for the VF logo, I'm not so sure about the EVOMS and the Neuspeed though.
....Indeed the VF does have a punched out logo. I noticed that too and it immediately struck me that it was a contradiction!
It is in front of the battery though. However, there is masses of open space in the 'shield' around the pipe!
I don't know, my engine bay only seems to get really hot around the turbo area, but I guess my bonnet extract vent helps.
Also noticed how big the hole for the intake tube is! There is a lot of air going to pass through there as well.
....And that air flow is directly in line with the frontal inlet and the filter off to the side! Adding a rubber/flexi sleeve would easily solve that. Stick a strip of black plastic behind the punched VF logo too! But then you are only back to square one and the bonnet seal question.
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Note to self - read RR's post fully before replying :ashamed:
.... :laugh: You're excused - sometimes my posts get a bit wordy. Also, posting activity suddenly got frenzied for a moment there.
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....You don't have to use the oem engine cover/box - You can spend even more money and add pipework : -
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Now, you see that makes more "sense" to me - well, aside from the £687 it would cost for the airbox alone and then adding the pipework (which I assume is another vendors?).
Why not make it in plastic?
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....You don't have to use the oem engine cover/box - You can spend even more money and add pipework : -
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Now, you see that makes more "sense" to me - well, aside from the £687 it would cost for the airbox alone and then adding the pipework (which I assume is another vendors?).
Why not make it in plastic?
....Because if you made it in plastic it wouldn't satisfy posers cool dudes like me who love fancy and expensive things.
Yes, the pipework is Neuspeed's.
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is there no way to get a uk firm to make one like that and lots cheaper
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is there no way to get a uk firm to make one like that and lots cheaper
Without a shadow of a doubt, you could even carbon wrap it for posers :wink:
Someone who is handy at making custom sub boxes would be a good start...
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I have the ITG, cuprak1 the BSH. If I was to do it all again I would have just got the BSH. Nothing beats the BSH for VFM.
We can get some flow figures up to compare the two if someone with VAG COM meets up with us, if not I will try and get DanGB to assist.
....You seem to be suggesting that both the BSH and VF intakes perform (flow?) better than the ITG. Or at least that you prefer either to the ITG - Any other reasons? IIRC you were very keen on the ITG once upon a time.
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is there no way to get a uk firm to make one like that and lots cheaper
Without a shadow of a doubt, you could even carbon wrap it for posers :wink:
....And I most certainly could - A very good friend of mine does carbon wrapping etc.
Tooling costs for a plastic version wouldn't be cheap though. It's all a bit easier said than done.
I can't make sense of your words, Mat - Are you saying there's "no way" you could get a UK firm to make one like that (the GruppeM) for "lots cheaper"? Or that a UK firm could easily produce it cheaper than GruppeM?
Anyway, the GruppeM filter looks very small. I still favour the Forge Twintake at the moment.
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I have the ITG, cuprak1 the BSH. If I was to do it all again I would have just got the BSH. Nothing beats the BSH for VFM.
We can get some flow figures up to compare the two if someone with VAG COM meets up with us, if not I will try and get DanGB to assist.
Yup sounds like a plan mate, do a little intake shoot out comparison stylee
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I have the ITG, cuprak1 the BSH. If I was to do it all again I would have just got the BSH. Nothing beats the BSH for VFM.
We can get some flow figures up to compare the two if someone with VAG COM meets up with us, if not I will try and get DanGB to assist.
Yup sounds like a plan mate, do a little intake shoot out comparison stylee
....I'm not confident that your comparisons would be that meaningful unless you compared intakes on the same individual car. On different cars, even the same manufacturer, it certainly wouldn't convince me which intake to choose.
It's been said before but is there really that much difference between all these intakes on the market?
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I have the ITG, cuprak1 the BSH. If I was to do it all again I would have just got the BSH. Nothing beats the BSH for VFM.
We can get some flow figures up to compare the two if someone with VAG COM meets up with us, if not I will try and get DanGB to assist.
Yup sounds like a plan mate, do a little intake shoot out comparison stylee
....I'm not confident that your comparisons would be that meaningful unless you compared intakes on the same individual car. On different cars, even the same manufacturer, it certainly wouldn't convince me which intake to choose.
It's been said before but is there really that much difference between all these intakes on the market?
I hear what your saying about the different car thing but we have identical set ups at the mo.. so might be a wasted test or might not be.. sure will be fun testing though hehe
Ive always said theres no point spending upwards of 300 on an intake when the bsh one does a grand job on mine at 50% of the price of itg... im not saying the price tag isnt deserved for the itg intake because i know a lot of time and effort went into the production of it. Just would like to get the two compaired and if that means swapping my bsh onto povs car or similar then why not :party:
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I hear what your saying about the different car thing but we have identical set ups at the mo.. so might be a wasted test or might not be.. sure will be fun testing though hehe
.... :happy2: We'll all enjoy seeing the results of you guys having fun anyway.
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I have the ITG, cuprak1 the BSH. If I was to do it all again I would have just got the BSH. Nothing beats the BSH for VFM.
We can get some flow figures up to compare the two if someone with VAG COM meets up with us, if not I will try and get DanGB to assist.
Yup sounds like a plan mate, do a little intake shoot out comparison stylee
....I'm not confident that your comparisons would be that meaningful unless you compared intakes on the same individual car. On different cars, even the same manufacturer, it certainly wouldn't convince me which intake to choose.
It's been said before but is there really that much difference between all these intakes on the market?
I hear what your saying about the different car thing but we have identical set ups at the mo.. so might be a wasted test or might not be.. sure will be fun testing though hehe
Ive always said theres no point spending upwards of 300 on an intake when the bsh one does a grand job on mine at 50% of the price of itg... im not saying the price tag isnt deserved for the itg intake because i know a lot of time and effort went into the production of it. Just would like to get the two compaired and if that means swapping my bsh onto povs car or similar then why not :party:
got to agree there. it is great value for money, and if it does in fact perform as well as the ITG then its makes it even better.
All cars act different hbut if your cars are on the same fuel, boost and timing settings on the SPS switch, plus using the same grade and brand of fuel then comparisons will be fine, albeit not as accurate as doing it on the same car (which would be better) but the flow rates wouldnt be to much changed i think. Defiantely better than not knowing at all
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I'd be willing to help with logging for any tests to be done :happy2:
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I'd be willing to help with logging for any tests to be done :happy2:
Cool, where you from again mate? :fighting2:
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Bury St Edmunds, so I would suggest we could meet somewhere in the middle :happy2:
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Somewhere in the middle is like stanstead airport ish :sad1: LONG lol
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Well they have a good private bit of road there called a runway which we could use for logging :signLOL:
Unless there is anybody with VCDS closer to you that could help?
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Anyway back on topic - It seems that the reason most people have not gone for this intake is because they have not been able to get hold of it for one reason or another. I'll keep you all updated about my experiences with once I have it.
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Like i said on page one. i can soon get my hands on these . all in good time :pomppomp:
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I have the ITG, cuprak1 the BSH. If I was to do it all again I would have just got the BSH. Nothing beats the BSH for VFM.
We can get some flow figures up to compare the two if someone with VAG COM meets up with us, if not I will try and get DanGB to assist.
....You seem to be suggesting that both the BSH and VF intakes perform (flow?) better than the ITG. Or at least that you prefer either to the ITG - Any other reasons? IIRC you were very keen on the ITG once upon a time.
I have flipped flopped alot on intakes. Originally I really wanted the forge, but then the more I read about the forge and the ITG, I decided that the ITG would be better for me and is more a tested and proven application than the forge, that combined with the MAF housing being the right size for revo software sealed the deal.
At first I never considered the BSH as I didnt know it existed till cuprak1 got one, but by then I had already had my heart set on the ITG and didnt want to have a carbon copy of cuprak1's car either.
However but now if anyone asked me what Intake I would recommend them I would say the BSH, as its the best value for money, and I cant notice any real performance differences between the two on the road.
Not saying one performs better than the other, wont know for sure till we do some logs, but from my own personal experiences you really cant go wrong with the BSH.
KRL, are you attending the surrey rolling road? Any forge twintake owners going to the surrey dyno day? If so we can do a comparison of all 3 intakes!
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I'm curious - Why have BSH also sealed off the possibility of additional air from the 'headlight' area?
And if the intention is to seal off the filter so it takes all its air from the front upper grill, why not encase the filter completely?
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi168.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu176%2FBSHStreetandStrip%2FFullIntake2.jpg%3Ft%3D1227038899&hash=13c3776266c46e2a639460abdab5744d3e2c612f)
EDIT: You posted just a moment before I did - Thanks for answering my query re ITG vs BSH :happy2:
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Any forge twintake owners going to the surrey dyno day? If so we can do a comparison of all 3 cars!
....Yes, NeilM is attending with recently installed Twintake.
But how would to arrive at a conclusive comparison as it's on a differently modified Ed30?
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One thing I would recommend to someone with a K03 car wishing to buy the BSH kit is to get a silicon bung made up. The supplied one that came with my kit melted with the radiated heat from the turbo and lasted all of about 10 minutes.
As a result of this I returned the kit and wouldn't recommend it to anyone personally. I know it's cheap but as many people say and most notably on here 'you get what you pay for'.
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Any forge twintake owners going to the surrey dyno day? If so we can do a comparison of all 3 cars!
....Yes, NeilM is attending with recently installed Twintake.
But how would to arrive at a conclusive comparison as it's on a differently modified Ed30?
I want to test all 3 on the same car. I will have my toolbox in hand if neil is up for it and there is someone there with vagcom.
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One thing I would recommend to someone with a K03 car wishing to buy the BSH kit is to get a silicon bung made up. The supplied one that came with my kit melted with the radiated heat from the turbo and lasted all of about 10 minutes.
As a result of this I returned the kit and wouldn't recommend it to anyone personally. I know it's cheap but as many people say and most notably on here 'you get what you pay for'.
....Ah, I've been wondering if you would post - I remember you telling me that you weren't overly impressed with the BSH intake but I didn't want to speak for you.
Cue for peanuts and monkeys and then pics of peanut smugglers :evilgrin:
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Any forge twintake owners going to the surrey dyno day? If so we can do a comparison of all 3 cars!
....Yes, NeilM is attending with recently installed Twintake.
But how would to arrive at a conclusive comparison as it's on a differently modified Ed30?
I want to test all 3 on the same car. I will have my toolbox in hand if neil is up for it and there is someone there with vagcom.
It's up to Neil of course, but I think it takes nearly an hour to install the Twintake (I stand to be corrected).
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If I go down the CAI route then it would be the BSH one, I don't see the point in spending £300+ on a kit. I would even consider the K&N kit which is a similar design and around £200. If i'm allowed to spend anymore money I may consider one.
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Any forge twintake owners going to the surrey dyno day? If so we can do a comparison of all 3 cars!
....Yes, NeilM is attending with recently installed Twintake.
But how would to arrive at a conclusive comparison as it's on a differently modified Ed30?
I want to test all 3 on the same car. I will have my toolbox in hand if neil is up for it and there is someone there with vagcom.
It's up to Neil of course, but I think it takes nearly an hour to install the Twintake (I stand to be corrected).
The ITG took me a while to install also, but this time round I dont plan on taking it all apart. I dont think AMD did when they had to remove it to work on my car before. I think cuprak1 will know for sure.
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KRL, are you attending the surrey rolling road? Any forge twintake owners going to the surrey dyno day? If so we can do a comparison of all 3 intakes!
Afraid I will not be around for that one but will hopefully get to one in the future.
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One thing I would recommend to someone with a K03 car wishing to buy the BSH kit is to get a silicon bung made up. The supplied one that came with my kit melted with the radiated heat from the turbo and lasted all of about 10 minutes.
As a result of this I returned the kit and wouldn't recommend it to anyone personally. I know it's cheap but as many people say and most notably on here 'you get what you pay for'.
....Ah, I've been wondering if you would post - I remember you telling me that you weren't overly impressed with the BSH intake but I didn't want to speak for you.
Cue for peanuts and monkeys and then pics of peanut smugglers :evilgrin:
Thought I could remember speaking to you about it. I don't know if it was a bad batch but i spent the best part of a day trying to get the intake to clear the brake reservoir and in every case it failed. I couldn't simply get a good enough clamp around the coupling and the intake, along with the fact that the intake is matte black and no heat shield is supplied it got bloody warm in running conditions.
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I'm curious - Why have BSH also sealed off the possibility of additional air from the 'headlight' area?
And if the intention is to seal off the filter so it takes all its air from the front upper grill, why not encase the filter completely?
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi168.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu176%2FBSHStreetandStrip%2FFullIntake2.jpg%3Ft%3D1227038899&hash=13c3776266c46e2a639460abdab5744d3e2c612f)
EDIT: You posted just a moment before I did - Thanks for answering my query re ITG vs BSH :happy2:
Hopefully Justin or Phil might be able to answer that one :happy2:
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u could always cut a hole in it and put a cold air feed in it from the fog light area
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I believe it's designed that way to help reduce induction noise.
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u could always cut a hole in it and put a cold air feed in it from the fog light area
....That's a very, very, good idea! Easy to attach as well.
I think I'd be tempted to position the air inlet ot the side of the central lower grill, just below the letter 'D' in my number plate.
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I believe it's designed that way to help reduce induction noise.
....Er!? Reduce noise? Don't most people who fit an aftermarket intake want a little more noise and not less?
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i would just put the hole directly under the filter as i think i want this kit now :grin:
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It does look like it cost less than £150. If it works and its better than the rest then fair play but it doesnt look like a lot of thought went into it.
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I doubt very much if it's significantly better than the rest but it may be equal to most.
Is the BSH pipework metal or plastic?
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i would just put the hole directly under the filter as i think i want this kit now :grin:
....Just out of curiosity, which intake are you running currently, Mat? OEM with Pipercross panel filter?
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i would just put the hole directly under the filter as i think i want this kit now :grin:
....Just out of curiosity, which intake are you running currently, Mat? OEM with Pipercross panel filter?
just a pipercross but did have a dblis coming for it so will wait on that first :smiley:
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i heard mike tfsi's dbilias the other night. strange sound which i couldnt place, until he said darth vader which describes it very well. made of cast steel as well??
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i heard mike tfsi's dbilias the other night. strange sound which i couldnt place, until he said darth vader which describes it very well. made of cast steel as well??
its a nice bit of kit just waiting on a member on here who had one for sale to send me some pics :smiley: then should have it on soon all being well
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I have ran with the dbilas for some time now, it sounds like a slightly asthmatic darth vader. really impressed with the build quality.
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Is the BSH pipework metal or plastic?
Its metal Robin.
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Is the BSH pipework metal or plastic?
Its metal Robin.
When you get it, check the condition of the inner piping as best you can as my pal in the US told me his was sprinkled with metal bits that hadn't been cleaned off. He got BSH to replace it!
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^ Thanks will do :happy2:
Had read about that on the US forums as well actually.
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u could always cut a hole in it and put a cold air feed in it from the fog light area
damn, my plan has been foiled ! lol this is what im doing :jumping:
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I doubt very much if it's significantly better than the rest but it may be equal to most.
Is the BSH pipework metal or plastic?
its metal mate, made very well, piss easy to fit, makes a very nice noise on spool and full chat and the let off noise is nice enough not to be overly chavvy
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Cheers for info :drinking:
Metal is supposed to be far better for air intake pipework - Less problems.
Noisy but not chavvy is the perfect sound - Induction and not blow-off.
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u could always cut a hole in it and put a cold air feed in it from the fog light area
damn, my plan has been foiled ! lol this is what im doing :jumping:
hurry up and get them in as i want one :laugh:
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u could always cut a hole in it and put a cold air feed in it from the fog light area
damn, my plan has been foiled ! lol this is what im doing :jumping:
....The BSH shield cradle is perfect for it!
Would be interesting to compare logs/dyno/whatever for with and without the extra air from below.
You could go one step further and make a carbon 'lid' for the cradle.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FRedRobin_05%2FCarbonfibre%2FDan_Dremmel.jpg&hash=a96009faeab524ff65ebd5898b60bff740b943b5)
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u could always cut a hole in it and put a cold air feed in it from the fog light area
damn, my plan has been foiled ! lol this is what im doing :jumping:
hurry up and get them in as i want one :laugh:
I was given one of these Pipercross cold air feeds, took me all of 5 minutes to fix it behind the open grill and feed it up to the airbox. No cutting or removal of fogs required - bingo! You'd get the same with some ducting and some venturi ends off the 'net.
You can see it on the RHS one.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.awesome-gti.co.uk%2Fshopimages%2Fproducts%2Fnormal%2Fpipercross_feed.jpg&hash=0cb50951e2ecae7c8a44435b89fb8a4471b911fb)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fe123%2Frobertsm2006%2FIMG_2125.jpg&hash=4286966f3b5ce5cd16ea2479afe4a62db615dd3c)
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i have some of that pipe mate :happy2: and thats how mine will look :smiley:
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Mine would have to be more fancy and expensive : -
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.carbonmods.co.uk%2FImages%2Fproducts%2Fmedium%2Finduction-ring.jpg&hash=69660f0caf72013573d6004214ada6cfe4a1df79)
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LOL - like a tart's handbag...
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LOL - like a tart's handbag...
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LOL - like a tart's handbag...
....Yep, that's the one :wink:
As Dolly Parton says: "It costs a lotta money to look this cheap!"
I'm gagging for justification to put one of those carbon inlets somewhere. I wonder if I could duct feed extra to the side filter box on the Forge Twintake.
But re the BSH, it's a winner for cost effectiveness. But will it shift enough air efficiently enough to satisfy the more heavily modded K04 brigade? (just querying it). As jonnyc says: You don't want to be working things at their limit - Better to have plenty of headroom. < Ambitious bhp chasing Cupra boyz take note.
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The intake is supplied with BSH's Work of Art Turbo Kit which seems to be good for up to and above 500 BHP :evilgrin:
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The intake is supplied with BSH's Work of Art Turbo Kit which seems to be good for up to and above 500 BHP :evilgrin:
....Then certainly no worries there! :happy2: 8) :happy2:
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The intake is supplied with BSH's Work of Art Turbo Kit which seems to be good for up to and above 500 BHP :evilgrin:
Yep and Im pretty sure Jonny is using one of these on his car judging by the photos in his build thread
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The intake is supplied with BSH's Work of Art Turbo Kit which seems to be good for up to and above 500 BHP :evilgrin:
Yep and Im pretty sure Jonny is using one of these on his car judging by the photos in his build thread
....Yes but AFAIK he's planning to use a Forge Twintake (or custom variant) with the Arty turbo kit, not the BSH intake.
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I'm gagging for justification to put one of those carbon inlets somewhere. I wonder if I could duct feed extra to the side filter box on the Forge Twintake.
I,m in the process of this at the moment.. I'm modifying the inlet duct around the headlight and directing air to it from a modified lower grille :happy2:.Not that it need's it mind....
....Aahaaa! Very interesting!
So as I understand it, you're modifying the Twintake's 'headlight area' duct and then directing air to it via a hose(?) from a modified lower grille?
And when you say "modified lower grille" do you mean foglight grill or lower full frontal grill below the numberplate?
ITG's tech-head Andy tells me that the best place of all to feed from below is in the lower centre grill rather than the foglight grill where air has begun to slip sideways unless you have a NACA duct to help capture it.
I'd be very interested to learn what you've done when completed, as I expect others would too.
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Cheers, I'm still interested.
I guess that the extra intercooler fits too close to the back of the grill. Twintercooler?
Would love to see pics of your fabrication mod to the Forge kit in due course. From what I've seen of the Twintake you could simply leave off the shaped metal end piece and attach your round duct hose from below directly to the short straight round section immediately before the filter box. But important to put mesh in the front inlet below to reduce debris.
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@ monkgti and john_o :
I've got some info to possibly interest you from Mike @ Forge across the pond - It's actually easier to get responses from the USA than Forge UK!
Rather than post in this BSH thread, I've done so in the Twintake discussion thread here : -
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=6546.new#new < Reply #350
HTH :happy2: Robin
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Has anyone considered cutting a vent in the bonnet, either diectly over an open filter or as I have been thinking feeding directly into the second Forge filter (righthand side one).
Easy enough in a carbon bonnet, or am I being a bit fick :rolleye:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Foo163%2Fneilmelvin%2FBonnet-vents.gif&hash=829ee4f5e59417ba5d4651d52fc5db9cfb8babc1)
PS, I have a Dremel and I'm not afraid to use it :signLOL:
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RR any info on a smaller carbon engine cover is welcome
Neil :happy2:
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Neil, please stop posting pics of carbon eye-candy to further tempt me!
Otherwise I shall have to set one of my minders on you! : -
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FRedRobin_05%2FCarbonfibre%2FDan_Dremmel.jpg&hash=a96009faeab524ff65ebd5898b60bff740b943b5)
Re your question about adding an air scoop in the bonnet, I think it would be pretty tricky to get it positioned efficiently for the filter and at the same time not looking somewhat random and untidy externally, even if carbon.
Btw, there's now no doubt in my mind that our OSIR carbon bonnet's extract vent near the turbo, does a lot to expel hot air under the bonnet and contribute to ambient coolness. Also to draw air through front to back. It's not massive but every little bit helps.
Re getting extra air to the Twintake, please read my posts (Reply #350 onwards) in the Twintake thread I have linked to in my Reply #91 above. I'll now go and post some more info about it there which I've just come home to.
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P.S.- I'll get back to you re small carbon engine cover soon.
[No wonder I don't have time to work!]
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RR any info on a smaller carbon engine cover is welcome
Neil :happy2:
....The only small one in carbon which I have found so far is by Neuspeed and available from Awesome at £242.14 incl vat. But it says that it must be used with the Neuspeed P-flow kit. I can't post a link for you to the specific page on Awesome's site [Awesome take note that this is not helpful!].
I'll let you know if I find anything else on my cyberspace travels.
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£242.14 :scared: :scared:
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£242.14 :scared: :scared:
....Carbon always is expensive.
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£242.14 :scared: :scared:
....Carbon always is expensive.
i prefer paper mache :indifferent:
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carbon in engine bays is starting to get tacky imo. Too many chav wagons with it. Trends come and go.
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carbon in engine bays is starting to get tacky imo. Too many chav wagons with it. Trends come and go.
....Not all of us do things just to be trendy.
Anyway, my mention of carbon in this thread was only to help NeilM's engine cover question.
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Look at what arrived from Dubtek in the post today:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fuu264%2Flivall%2FIMG_1318.jpg&hash=9c1674bd2b6944def6e464deca165935847409f0)
Now I'm just waiting for a silicone reducer to arrive from Dubtek and I will be good to go :evilgrin:
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good lad :congrats: :congrats: did you get the diverter pipes i said?
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^ Which ones were they? Do you mean the red ones you are using? I'm going to stick with the OEM DV hoses and just use a reducer so it will fit the DV bung.
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^ Which ones were they? Do you mean the red ones you are using? I'm going to stick with the OEM DV hoses and just use a reducer so it will fit the DV bung.
yeah good plan. just make sure you cut the 90 degree reducer so it clears the brake fluid res
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i think i might have to get myself one of these intakes. seems very good value for money over the others on the market.
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yeah but did ur not hear the noise the Forge Twintake made yesterday!!! :drool:
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Hoping to install mine early next week, just need to wait for some new hoses to be delivered to relocate my catch can then I will be ready. I'll post up an installation thread and a review thread of what I think of the intake with lots of logs as well.
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yeah but did ur not hear the noise the Forge Twintake made yesterday!!! :drool:
i must of missed it :sad1: did anyone get a video?
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yeah but did ur not hear the noise the Forge Twintake made yesterday!!! :drool:
....I missed hearing it on the rolling-road but I did get to drive it (Thankyou, Neil). It's very subjective and we each like different sounds and loudness levels and I wasn't quite sure what to expect and feared it might sound like an EVOMS which I find horribly 'gravelly' and coarse. But, for me, the TWINtake sounded absolutely perfect: The sucking in of air sounded like natural breathing and the other sounds it picked up were evident but slightly muted. I hope it sounds like that on my K03 car.
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The intake is now installed and I've written a nice DIY including instructions on how to adapt the intake for the K04 :wink:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=9761.0