MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: floydsolo on January 24, 2015, 03:35:49 pm
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What's everyone preferred choice of engine oil? Castrol Edge? Quantum Longlife? Mobil 1? I have an Edition 30 & looking to do a oil change this week. Cheers
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Castrol
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Millers 5w40 is the way to go
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What's everyone preferred choice of engine oil? Castrol Edge? Quantum Longlife? Mobil 1? I have an Edition 30 & looking to do a oil change this week. Cheers
castrol 5w40 castrol is stated on the original filler cap so thats the most preffered.
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What's everyone preferred choice of engine oil? Castrol Edge? Quantum Longlife? Mobil 1? I have an Edition 30 & looking to do a oil change this week. Cheers
castrol 5w40 castrol is stated on the original filler cap so thats the most preffered.
I'm not digging at you and I could be wrong, but when I see car manufacturers saying they recommend a certain oil they probably have a contract with that oil company to stick their name on the oil cap and recommend that oil for their cars. Obviously it's still got to be decent oil.
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was using Castrol 5w 30 just changed to millers 5w 40.... which apparently is better for the follower in terms of wear.
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Millers nanodrive 5w40
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I always assumed you had to use 5w30? The Millers Nano 5w40 sounds pretty impressive regarding extra performance that's being quoted!
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Yeh 5w40 is better for tuned cars since they run hotter and the 5w40 lubricates better at higher temps.
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Yeah but it's still a thicker oil at the normal running temp of the engine, so with the fine tolerances involved isn't this a bad idea?
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Quantum for me, got a deal at VW, oil, filter and sump plug and washer for £35. :wink:
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I am running on Motul Specific 5W30, but Millers Nanodrive or Motul 300V is an excellent choice aswell.
Note: currently my car isn't remapped.
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Yeah but it's still a thicker oil at the normal running temp of the engine, so with the fine tolerances involved isn't this a bad idea?
Plenty of people run it and Alex at AKS recommends it so that was good enough for me. Otherwise Castrol edge fst 5w30 would be my suggestion if you're not comfortable with the 5w40. :happy2:
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Total Quartz 5w30 long life for me, paid about £25 for 5 litres from local motor factors, seems fine to me (standard Gti)
Although to be honest these days im preety sure majority of branded oils are more than upto the job, even the halfords own stuff is actually comma so my mechanic friend tells me
Honestly not going to see much if any difference between any of the higher end brands mate so just see which one you can crack the best deal on, ive gone for a long life oil but still plan to change it after 10,000 miles :happy2:
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Yeah you'd think so wouldn't you but read this! http://www.fastcar.co.uk/2012/08/28/millers-nanodrive-test/
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Quantum 5W40 for me. I'd rather change it twice as often :)
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Castrol edge 5w30 here.
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Quantum 5 40 more than good enough.
I have a customer who runs s3 in European drag series and buys quantum 5 40 from us..
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Millers nano 5w40 :happy2:
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As long as the oil meets VW LONG LIFE 3 standards, you should be fine. However, most members on here run either Castrol Edge 5w30 or Millers Nanodrive CFS 5w40.
I have a standard ED30 and use the Millers stuff.
Rich
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I think a lot of this is placebo.
No one is going to keep the car long enough to see the effects of engine wear etc by using different oils.
It's mainly product loyalty, as long as the oil meets the spec.
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So anyone running the Millers Nanodrive CFS 5w40 oil, can you even notice a difference when you changed to this oil?
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So anyone running the Millers Nanodrive CFS 5w40 oil, can you even notice a difference when you changed to this oil?
yes and yes.
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So anyone running the Millers Nanodrive CFS 5w40 oil, can you even notice a difference when you changed to this oil?
yes and yes.
What did you actually notice?
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Reduced oil temps by about 8-10 degrees
smoother sounding engine when up to operating temperature.
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Another quantum always have always will
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What about the performance gains so they claim
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I'm using Castrol Professional Magnetec 5/40 in my Tuned Ed30..My oil consumption has seemed to have stopped since using it weirdly? :confused:
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I'm using castrol Magnetec 5/40 in my Tuned Ed30..My oil consumption has seemed to have stopped since using it weirdly? :confused:
Do you mean Castrol Edge Steve? That's the stuff that meets the VW spec
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It's in a green bottle Graeme :laugh: and no it's not edge, and yes it's VW approved long life.
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Reduced oil temps by about 8-10 degrees
smoother sounding engine when up to operating temperature.
Not sure on oil temp but my pd is def a lot quieter using the millers nanodrive.
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I use Miller's nanodrive too . Pricey but heard good for car
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I use quantum 5w40 which am told is castrol re branded? same helpline etc
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I'm using castrol Magnetec 5/40 in my Tuned Ed30..My oil consumption has seemed to have stopped since using it weirdly? :confused:
Do you mean Castrol Edge Steve? That's the stuff that meets the VW spec
Magnetec only meets
◦VW 502 00
◦VW 505 00
◦VW 505 01
not best spec of long life 507. This is old tech, Castrol edge is what you should be using....
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I'm using castrol Magnetec 5/40 in my Tuned Ed30..My oil consumption has seemed to have stopped since using it weirdly? :confused:
Do you mean Castrol Edge Steve? That's the stuff that meets the VW spec
Magnetec only meets
◦VW 502 00
◦VW 505 00
◦VW 505 01
not best spec of long life 507. This is old tech, Castrol edge is what you should be using....
Steve has since messaged me on Facebook.
He's using Castrol Magnatec Professional which VW supplied. This meets the spec, and has reduced his oil consumption
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Er.. those specs are off opie oil site, no where on the bottle does it state 507.00
I wouldn't put that in mine, ok for mk4 pd engines etc
It won't blow up, and if he changes it every 10,000 miles, he will never see the difference whilst he owns the car...hopefully :signLOL:
It's not any cheaper, so why not put the best and correct spec of 507.00 in it??? :rolleye:
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Er.. those specs are off opie oil site, no where on the bottle does it state 507.00
I wouldn't put that in mine, ok for mk4 pd engines etc
It won't blow up, and if he changes it every 10,000 miles, he will never see the difference whilst he owns the car...hopefully :signLOL:
It's not any cheaper, so why not put the best and correct spec of 507.00 in it??? :rolleye:
It's changed every 4000 miles as she doesn't get used.... And this is what a VW dealer put in it, if it's good enough for BMW, Im sure it's good enough for old Vw being 505 and better then the minimum 504 approved.. :confused:
She gets almost as many oil changes as hot dinners and yes... She's all mine :wink:
And best of all, she now doesn't use a drop of oil, so don't have to keep putting 504 like I used too lol
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I've gone for the millers nanodrive oil so I'll comment if I feel the engine runs better or not :happy2:
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FMy car's done near enough 80k. The first half was on Castrol 5W30 Longlife III. Cam follower was worn (and replaced). The second half was on Millers nano stuff 5W40 and the cam follower was fine at inspection.
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At last someone with some evidence based advice on engine oils :happy2:
although it doesn't seem to have been approved by any car makers to meet their specs.......
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I use fuchs supersyn longlife 5w40 and its been fine.
Bought oil the other day for a change. Thought i would try shell ultra helix 5w40 as it was a bit cheaper aswell but not changed the oil yet.
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Here's a link (http://bmwservice.livejournal.com/27699.html) which I found useful.
You can Google translate the page from russian.
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At last someone with some evidence based advice on engine oils :happy2:
although it doesn't seem to have been approved by any car makers to meet their specs.......
Not comparable in the slightest in my opinion, but i am always skeptical. Aside from the fact that its a thicker grade (which is more suited in my opinion when you consider the oil temperatures these cars see even in standard trim). Driving style, service intervals, state of tune, etc etc. will all play a part, too many variables.
I've no doubt it's better than a 5w30, but doubful how much improvement there would be over Quantum 5W40, which i've seen recommended for these engines by a very good and well respected engine builder. I stand by what i said, i would rather change the oil twice as often as these engines foul their oil pretty quickly.
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At last someone with some evidence based advice on engine oils :happy2:
although it doesn't seem to have been approved by any car makers to meet their specs.......
Because it far exceeds their specification.
All the specification (eg 507.00) means is that an oil company has paid VW a huge sum of money to "test" their oil meets the relevant basic chemical make up.
The Millers Nanodrive stuff (the same as some other oils) haven't paid this huge sum of money to VW....
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At last someone with some evidence based advice on engine oils :happy2:
although it doesn't seem to have been approved by any car makers to meet their specs.......
Because it far exceeds their specification.
All the specification (eg 507.00) means is that an oil company has paid VW a huge sum of money to "test" their oil meets the relevant basic chemical make up.
The Millers Nanodrive stuff (the same as some other oils) haven't paid this huge sum of money to VW....
I don't doubt that it's a good oil, but what actual proof is there, i mean scientific proof/proven fact, that it is a better oil and better than every other 5w40 grade oil that's available?
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It's hard to say.
There are limited tests available apart from the test where they load weights up on a bearing in a pool of the certain oil.
http://www.fastcar.co.uk/2012/08/28/millers-nanodrive-test/
As far as i'm concerned it makes the engine quieter and a notable drop in oil temperatures.. i'm happy with it. :drinking:
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oh, no-one on here has a bad word for the stuff....till now...
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I still stand by what i said earlier that for everday road use any branded fully synthetic 5w30 , 504-507 is going to be more than upto the job
Total Quartz 5l - £22 seems fine for me plus change it twice a year without crying at that price :happy2:
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Everyone is entitled to share their feedback, :innocent:
Just don't think that changing to a "Better" oil would cause a tapping noise...more than likely something else coincidently broke at the same time ! :popcornsoda:
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The millers stuff is supposed to "coat" the metal parts to make them more slippery, reducing friction (=more power hmm) and thereby wear, so I guess this could make things sound different in the engine, similar maybe to using a thinner oil....
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The millers stuff is supposed to "coat" the metal parts to make them more slippery, reducing friction (=more power hmm) and thereby wear, so I guess this could make things sound different in the engine, similar maybe to using a thinner oil....
Total bollocks... Sorry this Nano's oil doesn't give you additional Horsepower..
Generally engines will run smoother and quieter and more efficiently after an oil change..
Stick with What VW recommend .
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The millers stuff is supposed to "coat" the metal parts to make them more slippery, reducing friction
But this is what every oil does.
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There are different types of millers nanodrive oil though
I've got some ready to go in but waiting to sort a few other bits out first
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There's a lot of hype and marketing spin around. I'd be surprised if there's much difference between "quality" oils that meet VW spec and have same viscosity. Changing oil regularly is more important than the brand. Price differences reflect different amounts of money companies spend on promoting and advertising. I want to put good oil that meets VW spec in my car but personally I wouldn't spend 70 quid for 5 litres.
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more reading here
http://www.lancerregister.com/showthread.php?t=427522&page=3
says it uses some noble chemistry prized molecule C60 :popcornsoda:.........
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The millers stuff is supposed to "coat" the metal parts to make them more slippery, reducing friction (=more power hmm) and thereby wear, so I guess this could make things sound different in the engine, similar maybe to using a thinner oil....
Total bollocks... Sorry this Nano's oil doesn't give you additional Horsepower..
Generally engines will run smoother and quieter and more efficiently after an oil change..
Stick with What VW recommend .
If Nano technology found in the Millers does reduce engine friction ??? it will increase power at the flywheel. Basic automotive principles
BMEP = IMEP - PMEP - FMEP
Rather than explain have a read here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_effective_pressure
It might not feel like anything, who knows ?. A 750KW dyno 'may' not have the resolution to measure such small changes but there will be an increase in power under the same conditions by reducing friction.
:happy2:
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The millers stuff is supposed to "coat" the metal parts to make them more slippery, reducing friction (=more power hmm) and thereby wear, so I guess this could make things sound different in the engine, similar maybe to using a thinner oil....
Total bollocks... Sorry this Nano's oil doesn't give you additional Horsepower..
Generally engines will run smoother and quieter and more efficiently after an oil change..
Stick with What VW recommend .
If Nano technology found in the Millers does reduce engine friction ??? it will increase power at the flywheel. Basic automotive principles
BMEP = IMEP - PMEP - FMEP
Rather than explain have a read here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_effective_pressure
It might not feel like anything, who knows ?. A 750KW dyno 'may' not have the resolution to measure such small changes but there will be an increase in power under the same conditions by reducing friction.
:happy2:
Any fresh oil change has an effect on engine performance... But if you want to join the Nano drive band wagon then carry on... Total hype and in the real world makes No difference to any Oil that VW specify.
Regular oil changes are the way to go, every 5000 miles using VW specified oils only.
Sounds abit like the Catch Can hype when that came out and does bugger all in the real world :signLOL:
How long does this Nano oil last I wonder?...is it still power prolific once it gets abit dirty :popcornsoda:
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The millers stuff is supposed to "coat" the metal parts to make them more slippery, reducing friction (=more power hmm) and thereby wear, so I guess this could make things sound different in the engine, similar maybe to using a thinner oil....
Total bollocks... Sorry this Nano's oil doesn't give you additional Horsepower..
Generally engines will run smoother and quieter and more efficiently after an oil change..
Stick with What VW recommend .
If Nano technology found in the Millers does reduce engine friction ??? it will increase power at the flywheel. Basic automotive principles
BMEP = IMEP - PMEP - FMEP
Rather than explain have a read here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_effective_pressure
It might not feel like anything, who knows ?. A 750KW dyno 'may' not have the resolution to measure such small changes but there will be an increase in power under the same conditions by reducing friction.
:happy2:
Any fresh oil change has an effect on engine performance... But if you want to join the Nano drive band wagon then carry on... Total hype and in the real world makes No difference to any Oil that VW specify.
Regular oil changes are the way to go, every 5000 miles using VW specified oils only.
Sounds abit like the Catch Can hype when that came out and does bugger all in the real world :signLOL:
How long does this Nano oil last I wonder?...is it still power prolific once it gets abit dirty :popcornsoda:
Not joining any hype :grin:, just giving some background on the fact that if friction is reduced power out goes up. :happy2:
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And the lad only wanted to know what oil type hahahaha epic read guys. :fighting2:
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@Saintsteve (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4825) have you read the fastrack report linked by xjay in #45?
they replaced clean Halfords with millers stuff...
don't get me wrong, I'm staying with shell helix AV-l no mater what, too scared of me DPF :scared:
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There are many things that are questionable about the fast car "test" notably that claimed performance gains were small and that dyno results can vary depending on subtle differences in test conditions.
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Mobil 1 ESP 5-30w for me. At the end of the day, if the Oil is the correct spec...it'll be fine, I'm sure Halford's 5-30w Fully Synthetic would be as good as some of the more expensive stuff, I just prefer my Mobil 1 "Service" reminder stickers to Halford's ones :)
The Oil debate has been going forever...I was a mechanic for Subaru in the mid 90's, GTX Magnatec was all the rage then, the Impreza Turbo could not have anything else :) I used to sell loads of it out the back door to my mates, straight from the pump usually.
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I used to sell loads of it out the back door to my mates, straight from the pump usually.
Sorry Phil - as much as i agree with your post and many worthwhile points, i had to chuckle at your last sentence!! :grin:
Its the kid in me!! :jumping:
oil debate: please continue :happy2:
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:innocent:
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@Saintsteve (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4825) have you read the fastrack report linked by xjay in #45?
they replaced clean Halfords with millers stuff...
don't get me wrong, I'm staying with shell helix AV-l no mater what, too scared of me DPF :scared:
Sorry I'm not taking his options from a teenage lad that uses a rotary polisher for a living :signLOL:, I'm only taking my own opinion from being a Engineer for 10years.
ETTO , but some guys are really gullible when it comes to reading things on the Internet and believing them.
As someone else pointed out..a good link below about oils
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=59317.0
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more reading here
http://www.lancerregister.com/showthread.php?t=427522&page=3
says it uses some noble chemistry prized molecule C60 :popcornsoda:.........
Well worth reading the rest of the topic for those that haven't.
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more reading here
http://www.lancerregister.com/showthread.php?t=427522&page=3
says it uses some noble chemistry prized molecule C60 :popcornsoda:.........
Well worth reading the rest of the topic for those that haven't.
Yes ,sense prevails from reply 167 on that 14 paged thread... :signLOL:
Total rubbish :grin:
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reading further on , you can just add this additive stuff
http://www.top-oils.co.uk//default.asp?product_id=107
to your favourite oil..& bingo..best of all worlds..... :wink:
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reading further on , you can just add this additive stuff
http://www.top-oils.co.uk//default.asp?product_id=107
to your favourite oil..& bingo..best of all worlds..... :wink:
that's recommended for Race and track cars :confused:
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I use quantum 5w40 which am told is castrol re branded? same helpline etc
TPS said the Quantum is Castrol but its the economy stuff to meet basic requirements. Buying Castrol Edge which TPS sales as a alternative is much better. But only comes in 4L bottle.
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I've been using Millers Nanodrive oil for the past 2 years, initially on my Subaru and now on my 911. This oil is worth the money on the tin, it's highly recommended by performance tuners up and down the country, who have seen notable differences on highly tuned cars.
Hartech are probably the best independant specialists for Porsche in the country and they have pioneered the engine modifications for the 997's common engine flaw, cylinder bore scoring. They recommend this oil to anyone who owns a 997, as it has better lubrication of the parts within the engine. After switching to this oil, the immediate change I observed, was the fact that my engine oil temp was reading almost 10c lower. Now, the problem of the bore scoring affecting the 997 was due to the inefficient cooling on one bank of cylinders, 4,5,6. So, anything to add in cooling this area is a godsend to the car.
Some things in life really are worth the money you pay for them. What you have to remember is that, oils like Millers and Silkoline are motor racing oils, so a lot of research and development has gone into them.
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@Saintsteve (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4825) have you read the fastrack report linked by xjay in #45?
they replaced clean Halfords with millers stuff...
don't get me wrong, I'm staying with shell helix AV-l no mater what, too scared of me DPF :scared:
Sorry I'm not taking his options from a teenage lad that uses a rotary polisher for a living :signLOL:, I'm only taking my own opinion from being a Engineer for 10years.
ETTO , but some guys are really gullible when it comes to reading things on the Internet and believing them.
As someone else pointed out..a good link below about oils
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=59317.0
I work in IT for a living dipsh*t.
Cars is just an evening and weekend thing.
Now you mention it if I could do it full time, then I would.
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I work in IT for a living dipsh*t.
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I'm surprised its taken you this long to find this assault on your character xjay :grin: :grin: :grin:
10 yrs as an engineer is nothing, I trained for 6
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I tend to ignore anything SaintSteve has to say :P :P :P :P
I am joking of course.
Just jealous of my young age and good looks.
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I tend to ignore anything SaintSteve has to say :P :P :P :P
I am joking of course.
Just jealous of my teddy bear hat I wear out to Pubs
:wink:
Sorry I thought you were a Detailer rather then a Pen Pusher! :surprised:
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Soooo.... Which oil should I buy :D
This one ok? http://www.engineoildirect.co.uk/shop/4577907369/5w-40-castrol-edge-fst-titanium-td-4l/7947174?gclid=CLPxs8nHzsQCFSsKwwodmCEAYQ
And it's a noob question but do I just top up the existing oil? Don't have to drain it or anything? How do I know when it's full?
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Is there any conclusive evidence that Nano Drive reduces cam follower wear? I'm torn between switching to that, or Silkolene Pro S.
I do know that the latter is great for wear (as most Ester oils are) as I used it exclusively in my old VR6 turbo from 0 miles to 70K miles (forged piston rebuild). When the engine was stripped down after a piston bought it, the wear on the piston skirts, bores, valve stems and guides was virtually nil, so I reckon it will be good for reducing TFSI follower wear, especially with uprated HPFPs exerting more pressure on it.
FWIW, the oil VW specify is based on bearing clearances, pumping losses and long service life (i.e. reduced shearing and enhanced pollutant retention) on a factory fresh engine. The brand is irrelevant. VW just put the specifications out to tender and draw up a mutual back scratching contract.
As our engines put on the miles and wear out, moving from 5W-30 to 5W-40 is not such a bad idea though.