MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: irish_ram on April 01, 2015, 10:12:41 am
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Hi Chaps,
I have posted another topic with links to a couple weeks of cars I am looking at buying as I am selling my MK5 TSI and wanting to upgrade.
I have a Budget of around 10k and have the mindset that if I am upgrading I want to get an Edition 30 or R32. No offence to the standard GTI as have drove one and a brilliant motor but with my budget thought I could upgrade to an Eddy or R32.
So if there are topics on comparing these then apologies but wanted some expert advice on how they differ to make my decision on which one.
I have seen a few of each around the 8-10k mark but want to make sure for the budget I have I can get a good motor.
Cheers in advance for any help
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I had this same debate when I was looking.
As much as I love the R32 it was a no brainier once I looked into it.
Edition 30 are cheaper to run (cheap is probably the wrong word lol)
Cheaper to tax
Insure
Get so much more performance with a few choice mods.
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I had this same debate when I was looking.
As much as I love the R32 it was a no brainier once I looked into it.
Edition 30 are cheaper to run (cheap is probably the wrong word lol)
Cheaper to tax
Insure
Get so much more performance with a few choice mods.
Yeah in terms of cheaper to run I think the Eddy wins and I am already preparing that the Eddy will cost more to run than my current motor. But I am debating if I choose the car based on cost to run will I regret it as if I was that conscious I would get myself some low power economic Diesel haha.
Also looking for an eddy in Red or R32 in Blue which seem to be hard to come by
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Those two colour choice respectively are the most desirable colours so you'll have to wait. What about getting a Pirelli edition GTI? Same engine and performance as an ED30 but a little harder to come by, thus more exclusive.
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There's only a few reasons to get an R32.
- Big engine in a (relatively) little car. Most things these days are turbo, and the V6 noise is lots of fun. You won't see a V6 in a little car much in the future.
- Haldex. Nice to have in the wet/snow as Ed30 will struggle to get the power down (especially if modded).
That's basically it :happy2:
Speed wise, the Ed30 is faster than the R32 (especially if modded), and tax on an R32 is around £500 (depending on reg date/transmission).
Saying that, I've got an R32 (in blue) :P
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Those two colour choice respectively are the most desirable colours so you'll have to wait. What about getting a Pirelli edition GTI? Same engine and performance as an ED30 but a little harder to come by, thus more exclusive.
I love golfs but have seen people mention the Pirellis and was not sure what the difference was.
Also want a DSG which is narrowing search even more
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There's only a few reasons to get an R32.
- Big engine in a (relatively) little car. Most things these days are turbo, and the V6 noise is lots of fun. You won't see a V6 in a little car much in the future.
- Haldex. Nice to have in the wet/snow as Ed30 will struggle to get the power down (especially if modded).
That's basically it :happy2:
Speed wise, the Ed30 is faster than the R32 (especially if modded), and tax on an R32 is around £500 (depending on reg date/transmission).
Saying that, I've got an R32 (in blue) :P
Good point but when it comes down to it you want what you want regardless of cost sometimes. Hence youhaving a blue R32 :happy2:
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I desperately wanted a 3 door R32 in blue or Grey when I originally started looking for a mk5 but after looking into it a little more it soon became apparant that the R32 doesn't have much going for it except the noise! Double the road tax, no turbo, significantly less mpg and in the real world no quicker than even a normal healthy Gti especially if stage 1 map the Gti!
I actually ended up with a normal Gti as a pose to the ed30 simply because the right minty example came along at the right time for me (very happy)
As for the pirelli edition regardless of them having the larger K04 turbo etc I personally think they don't look great at all!
Yellow stitched interior and hideous wheels are not a patch on the ed30 or even a Gti with the factory 18" Diamond monza's fitted
Go for a ed30 or better still find a fully loaded insanely low mileage normal Gti on a 2009 plate :happy2:
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I desperately wanted a 3 door R32 in blue or Grey when I originally started looking for a mk5 but after looking into it a little more it soon became apparant that the R32 doesn't have much going for it except the noise! Double the road tax, no turbo, significantly less mpg and in the real world no quicker than even a normal healthy Gti especially if stage 1 map the Gti!
I actually ended up with a normal Gti as a pose to the ed30 simply because the right minty example came along at the right time for me (very happy)
As for the pirelli edition regardless of them having the larger K04 turbo etc I personally think they don't look great at all!
Yellow stitched interior and hideous wheels are not a patch on the ed30 or even a Gti with the factory 18" Diamond monza's fitted
Go for a ed30 or better still find a fully loaded insanely low mileage normal Gti on a 2009 plate :happy2:
Cheers
I think if I am honest I am wanting to move up to an ED30 because it is a limited edition and would just feel better. Thinking of an R32 mainly because again it is something different and looks different and likely would not mod it at all as opposed to the ED30 which Iwould start modding.
I may look at the GTI as could spend less and get a top spec car or see what 10k would get me for a GTI
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I originally wanted an ED30 or Pirelli DSG but missed out on a couple of crackers so turned my attention to R32's and ended up with one. Whilst not a match for a mapped ED30/Pirelli it's not exactly slow and goes quite well (and sounds great when doing so!). Fuel consumption only becomes an issue if you drive with your right foot welded to the floor or are permanently stuck in traffic around town. The R32's engine is very responsive and has quite a linear power delivery which can give the impression you're not going that quickly until you glance at the speedo. The other major advantage is 4WD so it's a case of grip and go, wet or dry.
Probably down to the extra weight but I found mine more solid than the ED30's I looked at. My bonnet is nice and weighty and even the rear boot carpet seems weightier than the equivalent GTI's (although it could just have been the ones I looked at). There's something about an R32 that'll either make you buy one instantly or leave you wondering what the fuss is about.
Downside's are high road tax, potentially very big bills if they go wrong and regular visits to a fuel station if you drive 'enthusiastically' all the time listening to the engine noise and exhaust note.
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For speed in the dry the Eddie, for speed in the wet/snow the R32 (or an Eddie with an Haldex retrofitted). :laugh:
I think that the Eddie is better value for the money. :happy2:
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I have had a look at some standard GTI's, Eddys and R32's on Autotrader and definately have eliminated a standard GTI as there are some good condition motors for 10k around.
Have seen the below on Autotrader which gives me a bit if idea of what you get for your money in each Model
R32's
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201407035520432/sort/pricedesc/maximum-age/up_to_9_years_old/transmission/automatic/price-to/10000/channel/cars/maximum-mileage/up_to_100000_miles/body-type/hatchback/usedcars/quantity-of-doors/3/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/postcode/ng229wl/radius/1501/page/1/price-from/5000/quicksearch/true/make/volkswagen/seller-type/trade_adverts/model/golf?logcode=p
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201411128931186/sort/pricedesc/maximum-age/up_to_9_years_old/transmission/automatic/price-to/10000/channel/cars/maximum-mileage/up_to_100000_miles/body-type/hatchback/usedcars/quantity-of-doors/3/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/postcode/ng229wl/radius/1501/page/1/price-from/5000/quicksearch/true/make/volkswagen/seller-type/trade_adverts/model/golf?logcode=p
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201503101596543/sort/pricedesc/maximum-age/up_to_9_years_old/transmission/automatic/price-to/10000/channel/cars/maximum-mileage/up_to_100000_miles/body-type/hatchback/usedcars/quantity-of-doors/3/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/postcode/ng229wl/radius/1501/page/1/price-from/5000/quicksearch/true/make/volkswagen/seller-type/trade_adverts/model/golf?logcode=p
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201503141716074/sort/pricedesc/postcode/ng229wl/page/2/seller-type/trade_adverts/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/price-to/10000/maximum-age/up_to_9_years_old/model/golf/quicksearch/true/quantity-of-doors/3/body-type/hatchback/radius/1501/maximum-mileage/up_to_100000_miles/transmission/automatic/price-from/5000/channel/cars/make/volkswagen/usedcars?logcode=p
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201503252061827/sort/pricedesc/postcode/ng229wl/page/2/seller-type/trade_adverts/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/price-to/10000/maximum-age/up_to_9_years_old/model/golf/quicksearch/true/quantity-of-doors/3/body-type/hatchback/radius/1501/maximum-mileage/up_to_100000_miles/transmission/automatic/price-from/5000/channel/cars/make/volkswagen/usedcars?logcode=p
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201501069976271/sort/pricedesc/postcode/ng229wl/page/2/seller-type/trade_adverts/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/price-to/10000/maximum-age/up_to_9_years_old/model/golf/quicksearch/true/quantity-of-doors/3/body-type/hatchback/radius/1501/maximum-mileage/up_to_100000_miles/transmission/automatic/price-from/5000/channel/cars/make/volkswagen/usedcars?logcode=p
Edition 30's
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201503161788299/sort/pricedesc/maximum-age/up_to_9_years_old/transmission/automatic/price-to/10000/channel/cars/maximum-mileage/up_to_100000_miles/body-type/hatchback/usedcars/quantity-of-doors/3/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/postcode/ng229wl/radius/1501/page/1/price-from/5000/quicksearch/true/make/volkswagen/seller-type/trade_adverts/model/golf?logcode=p
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201503051466344/sort/pricedesc/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/price-from/5000/engine-size-cars/2l_to_2-5l/channel/cars/make/volkswagen/body-type/hatchback/postcode/ng229wl/maximum-mileage/up_to_100000_miles/quantity-of-doors/3/seller-type/trade_adverts/model/golf/page/1/radius/1501/usedcars/maximum-age/up_to_7_years_old/price-to/10000/transmission/automatic?logcode=p
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Having previously owned a 2006 GTI and now driving a 2006 r32, I'll chuck in my views..........
The r32 has everything the gti had but it somehow feels a bit more special (to me anyway!)
Fantastic grip, boot it out of a wet junction and you're off without a hint of drama, 3rd gear wheel spin in an ed30 I would guess......
Great engine with bags of torque, 20 mph in 6th gear is no problem, you can more or less leave it in higher gears all the time around town. The lazy power delivery (at lower revs anyway) suits my 40 something driving style now as well. Stick your foot down though and you're be hard pushed to find ANY car with that kind of sound track !
Mpg is worse but not as bad as I expected, 19 mpg stop/start with cold engine round town and up to 33-34 on a steady 65-70 gentle run. A road blasts with general running around will see about 23-25 average I reckon. My gti averaged 28 mpg in my ownership so its not a million miles away. Mind you, I was originally looking for an ed30 but they're few and far between for sensible money and miles, so I looked at the R. As soon as you hear one start and blip that throttle you'll more or less get the cash out your pocket - seriously !
I picked up a 55 plate steel grey manual 5door with 86k, 2 owners and stacks of history for £7700, cheaper road tax too!
Try one, you'll be sold on it!
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Here's another spanner in the works for you :laugh: but seriously for around your 10k budget maybe an absolute smidge more for a nice one have you considered a 2006 onwards Audi S3? 265bhp, 4wd 3pg+ and with a 0-60 time of 5.7 seconds will blow the doors off a Eddie or R32
Worth considering mate, deffinately something im considering upgrading my Gti to when I can be bothered :happy2:
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Here's another spanner in the works for you :laugh: but seriously for around your 10k budget maybe an absolute smidge more for a nice one have you considered a 2006 onwards Audi S3? 265bhp, 4wd 3pg+ and with a 0-60 time of 5.7 seconds will blow the doors off a Eddie or R32
Worth considering mate, deffinately something im considering upgrading my Gti to when I can be bothered :happy2:
I have looked at the Audi's and they do seem like powerful machines but not sure if I like the look of them as much as the golfs
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Here's another spanner in the works for you :laugh: but seriously for around your 10k budget maybe an absolute smidge more for a nice one have you considered a 2006 onwards Audi S3? 265bhp, 4wd 3pg+ and with a 0-60 time of 5.7 seconds will blow the doors off a Eddie or R32
Worth considering mate, deffinately something im considering upgrading my Gti to when I can be bothered :happy2:
I have looked at the Audi's and they do seem like powerful machines but not sure if I like the look of them as much as the golfs
Glad you say that as my exact dilemma when looked at them previously
Why oh wht did Vw not do a special edition Gti with 4wd
Even the Golf R mk6 and Mk7 would have been funkier with a limited editin Gti badge on them
R just sounds a bit poo, I mean you can buy a 1.2 75bhp Polo R for gods sake :grin:
Just drive a Eddie and a R32 then make your decision mate
Its a hard old life isn't it, doesn't get much worse than the dilemma of picking a Edition 30 or R32 does it
Feel really sorry for you, poor bugger :jumpmove: :rolleye:
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Here's another spanner in the works for you :laugh: but seriously for around your 10k budget maybe an absolute smidge more for a nice one have you considered a 2006 onwards Audi S3? 265bhp, 4wd 3pg+ and with a 0-60 time of 5.7 seconds will blow the doors off a Eddie or R32
Worth considering mate, deffinately something im considering upgrading my Gti to when I can be bothered :happy2:
I have looked at the Audi's and they do seem like powerful machines but not sure if I like the look of them as much as the golfs
Glad you say that as my exact dilemma when looked at them previously
Why oh wht did Vw not do a special edition Gti with 4wd
Even the Golf R mk6 and Mk7 would have been funkier with a limited editin Gti badge on them
R just sounds a bit poo, I mean you can buy a 1.2 75bhp Polo R for gods sake :grin:
Just drive a Eddie and a R32 then make your decision mate
Its a hard old life isn't it, doesn't get much worse than the dilemma of picking a Edition 30 or R32 does it
Feel really sorry for you, poor bugger :jumpmove: :rolleye:
Haha, i know what you mean. My bank holiday is going to be ruined having to test drive eddys and R32's :wink:
Might check out a few Audi's if any near me but just dont like the back end. I mean I do like the front end and grill but still not a patch on the VW look
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I own a mapped GTI and get to drive a moded R32 fairly regularly and personally I prefer the GTI all day. The low down power/ noise and grip are very nice but I find its just a bit boring to drive with the smooth power delivery and nearly unlimited grip. As a well balanced all rounder its expensive but excellent. However if it's a laugh you're after the ED30 is the way to go, the 2.0tfsi power delivery is so punchy and the fwd means its a bit more on edge and fun to drive. Also with a decent exhaust the engine sounds really good for a 4pot and with an induction kit you get loads of good noises. Its all down to what you want from a car really.
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Here's another spanner in the works for you :laugh: but seriously for around your 10k budget maybe an absolute smidge more for a nice one have you considered a 2006 onwards Audi S3? 265bhp, 4wd 3pg+ and with a 0-60 time of 5.7 seconds will blow the doors off a Eddie or R32
Worth considering mate, deffinately something im considering upgrading my Gti to when I can be bothered :happy2:
Hmmmm. But would it though in real world performance? I'd be interested to see a 30mph+ run to 100 between a ed30 and an s3 -rather than dragstrip run from a set of lights. Particularly if both were mapped, there is some significant power loss through a 4wd system, traction off the line -yeah great, but when up and running......? Be interesting to see!
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Here's another spanner in the works for you :laugh: but seriously for around your 10k budget maybe an absolute smidge more for a nice one have you considered a 2006 onwards Audi S3? 265bhp, 4wd 3pg+ and with a 0-60 time of 5.7 seconds will blow the doors off a Eddie or R32
Worth considering mate, deffinately something im considering upgrading my Gti to when I can be bothered :happy2:
Hmmmm. But would it though in real world performance? I'd be interested to see a 30mph+ run to 100 between a ed30 and an s3 -rather than dragstrip run from a set of lights. Particularly if both were mapped, there is some significant power loss through a 4wd system, traction off the line -yeah great, but when up and running......? Be interesting to see!
Nobody is talking about modded/mapped mate
Im a boggo factory standard spec through and through these days and in standard form the S3 is a second quicker to 60 which might aswell be a week when talking about 0-60 times :jumping:
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I wasn't specifically talking about modding either, my main focus was more on the real world performance from rolling points and how they would compare -rather than a standing start.
Each to their own. My world exists outside of 0-60 times. I've had both s3's and a v8 s4, to be honest neither felt as exciting and quick to drive as my 30, even if they perhaps were.....
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I wasn't specifically talking about modding either, my main focus was more on the real world performance from rolling points and how they would compare -rather than a standing start.
Each to their own. My world exists outside of 0-60 times. I've had both s3's and a v8 s4, to be honest neither felt as exciting and quick to drive as my 30, even if they perhaps were.....
I prefer the Golf also particularly the looks hence why im here :smiley:
Looked at a A3 S Line 2.0 Tfsi Quattro (essentially a golf Gti) before purchasing my Gti and just thought if was a little bland
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I am liking this one but those wheels are just ruining the whole look and clouding my judgement on the rest of the car as love Tornado Red
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201503161788299/sort/pricedesc/maximum-age/up_to_9_years_old/transmission/automatic/price-to/10000/channel/cars/maximum-mileage/up_to_100000_miles/body-type/hatchback/usedcars/quantity-of-doors/3/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/postcode/ng229wl/radius/1501/page/1/price-from/5000/quicksearch/true/make/volkswagen/seller-type/trade_adverts/model/golf?logcode=p
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The wheels can be repainted. :happy2:
It looks very well maintained. :smiley:
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I chopped my R32 in for an Eddy and don't regret it one little bit!
Most Eddys make more than 230hp, so acceleration wise they're about the same, but the R32's power delivery is bloody awful (imo).
Where as the Eddy's power swells gradually and is predicatable, the R32's low speed response is sharp to the point of being too ridiculous for everyday driving in heavy traffic. And when you get on the open road, all that initial grunt just turns to flatness past 3000rpm, followed by a very noticeable step in power at 4100rpm when the intake switches to the power ports, more flatness, then at 5000rpm it starts pulling hard again. Frustrating!
Net result: The Eddy feels more 230hp. The R32 feels less than 250hp.
The Eddy is better in the corners too, imo. R32 feels heavy and ungainly. Eddy feels more poised and sharper, although both are improved markedly with the WALK upgrade.
If you like noise and 4WD grip off the line, the R32 is hard to beat though, but for me, those two traits didn't = a 'fun' car for me.
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Just checked the Garage which is 10 miles from me and has the below ED30 also has a few R32's so will hopefully be able to test drive both and make my decision from there.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201503161788299/sort/pricedesc/maximum-age/up_to_9_years_old/transmission/automatic/price-to/10000/channel/cars/maximum-mileage/up_to_100000_miles/body-type/hatchback/usedcars/quantity-of-doors/3/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/postcode/ng229wl/radius/1501/page/1/price-from/5000/quicksearch/true/make/volkswagen/seller-type/trade_adverts/model/golf?logcode=p
Although reading all the reviews I think I am swaying towards an Ed30 as seems to have a lot more about it than the R32
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Try them both and make your own decision. The gti/ed30 are great cars but the superb traction and low down pulling power wins hands down for me and I just prefer 6 cylinders to 4 anyway, always have.
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Or use the 10k and put a deposit down on a mk7 Golf R and use the rest to pay a 2 year pcp.
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Think I will have to test drive them both as it seems reading review although similar cars in power and looks to an extent you get very different delivery in power from each and specific different looks in areas like exhaust etc
Just watchd a few videos on the R32 and starting to love that now. I might be a middle aged man which is why I may be even looking at rhe R32 as opposed to the more fun ED30 but that exhaust sound on the R32 it just makes my hairs stand on end :surprised:
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I know it may all come down to test driving but what peoples thoughts on the below 2. They are both R32's
The main difference in the R32's seems to be the Leather vs cloth seats and the Miltec Non Res Exhaust. Anyone have experience of both in terms of seats and exhaust as to what is better or the difference. I do like the cloth seats over the Leather.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201407035520432/sort/default/channel/cars/price-from/5000/maximum-mileage/up_to_100000_miles/maximum-age/up_to_9_years_old/postcode/ng229wl/usedcars/radius/1501/page/3/make/volkswagen/model/golf/quantity-of-doors/3/price-to/10000/transmission/automatic/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/seller-type/trade_adverts?logcode=p
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201503272120365/sort/default/price-from/5000/seller-type/trade_adverts/radius/1501/channel/cars/postcode/ng229wl/model/golf/price-to/10000/make/volkswagen/transmission/automatic/maximum-mileage/up_to_100000_miles/maximum-age/up_to_9_years_old/quantity-of-doors/3/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/page/2/usedcars?logcode=p
Thanks again for any comments
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Personally think the Cloth looks terrible in the R32 mate
Has to be the special bucket seat Recarro's in a R32 or atleast the standard full leather :happy2:
A do know what you mean about the noise mate :congrats:
Even had me looking on Autotrader at R32's this morning :laugh:
If could find a low mileage imaculate example on a low tax bracket 06 plate I probably would be tempted myself with the R32
Let us know how you get on :happy2:
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Personally think the Cloth looks terrible in the R32 mate
Has to be the special bucket seat Recarro's in a R32 or atleast the standard full leather :happy2:
A do know what you mean about the noise mate :congrats:
Even had me looking on Autotrader at R32's this morning :laugh:
If could find a low mileage imaculate example on a low tax bracket 06 plate I probably would be tempted myself with the R32
Let us know how you get on :happy2:
Yeah I think I will have to see what the Leather looks like in the flesh, think it is because cloth easily looks newer on first glance than the leather when looks creased but will see in person.
Watched a video on showing MK5 ED30 vs MK5 R32 and they were pretty similar apart form the 4wd, rear end and the exhaust sound seem to be edging me towards the R32.
Is the 06 plate cheaper in tax then as the ones I am looking at are between 2006-8
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Think the cars with the cheaper tax band are the ones registered before march 2006 therefore would be 55 plates
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Think the cars with the cheaper tax band are the ones registered before march 2006 therefore would be 55 plates
Ah right well the ones I am looking at are 2006+ but if get to own one of this awesome machines then I can put up with the extra tax and petrol cost just :happy2:
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Think the cars with the cheaper tax band are the ones registered before march 2006 therefore would be 55 plates
That's correct but there's also a few 06 plate cars on the cheaper tax band ( reg up to 23rd march) then it gets confusing.
Other 06 plates and early 56 plates are £505 pa up to 1st Jan 07
Later 56 plates and early 07 plates are £490 pa up to 1st July 07
Later 07 plates onwards are £505 pa
That's for manual box
All dsg are cheaper tax up to 23rd march then £505 thereafter
I'm lucky as mines a 55 plate but the car condition is the important bit
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Sounds very confusing but think I will be focusing on what car I want as if worried about cost I should just go out and get myself a nice little Renault Clio :laugh:
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The R32 has pros and cons. Pros are lovely noises from an engine with no cam belt, traction, standard xenons (brilliant headlights, so go for these whichever Golf you choose) and I personally felt it was a special thing to drive compared to a GTI. You always feel like you're driving the top dog Golf in an R32. The cons are the VED bill on the later ones, as discussed already, the weight of the car, the fuel economy, slightly higher boot floor and the lack of tuneability. The handling is a little soggy, but can be tightened up nicely with some poly bushes and uprated ARBs. A lot of people who come from turbo'd cars slag off the linear power delivery, but they're plenty fast enough. You just don't get that shove because there's no boost, but you don't have to be a fanny with the throttle either, like you do in a tuned Edition 30, just mash it to the floor and let the Haldex sort out the rest. Speaking of which, the blue performance controller is a worthwhile, but expensive upgrade.
Honestly, though, if I were buying now I think I'd save a bit more and get a Golf R. Best of both worlds!
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If your not modding mad which im personally not then a standard decent normal Gti definately represents best value for money
Just dont understand the fascination and large price tag that goes with the Eddies as just don't think they special enough and for a really good example of a R32 your edging closer to mk6 R budget which has all the pro's of the R32 without any of the cons :driver:
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I am probably 70/30 towards the R32 to be honest as just want something that is slightly different to the standard GTI.
However I can see the Pro's and Con's of both and if I take away the extra costs of the R32 it seems to fit what I want more. I think it will come down to the driveability to be honest and hopefully I will know straight away once feel the different way the power is supplied in both.
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Way i looked at it when making the decision was the R32 will achieve not much more than half the mpg of a healthy Gti and is twice the price for road tax etc but is it twice the car! No unfortunately :pomppomp:
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I find my standard Eddie very smooth while driving in Drive mode with a DSG. Put the DSG in Sport mode and put the accelerator all rge way down and it's totally different. :grin:
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Well I had my test drives today and first of all totally enjoyed the DSG gearbox as it was brilliant.
Now for the Pro's and Con's on the 2 motors I test drove
R32 - Good
- Loved the backend and prefered to the Ed30
- Loved the 4wd
- The smooth Power Delivery was really nice
- Cruise Control
R32 - Bad
- Not a patch on the Ed30 front end
- No heated seat!!!!!
- Full Interior cloth as opposed to the half leather Ed30
- Interior was average at best and vey worn
- Exhaust was a Miltec non res and the sound was too overpowering(but presume the standard exhaust would be nicer)
ED30 - Good
- Interior was immaculate and well looked after
- Upgraded Stereo Unit with SAT NAV
- Heated Seats
- Half Leather Interior
- Lovely Front End
- More exciting Power Delivery
- Tornado Red(my favorite colour)
- Wheels were not as bad in the flesh as on Pic
ED30 Bad
- Nearly a grand more
- Not 4wd
- Back end more subtle than R32 and no acceleration noise
So I viewed a few more and the condition of the R32's were similar to the one above and the Ed30's were not in that good of a condition. So I ended up edging towards the ED30 I originally saw.
I am going back there tomorrow for a final viewing and test drive and to see what I can haggle on the price but wanted to see if there was anything I should definately check.
I check all the service history which was full and good. Also on around 60k the timing belt and water pump were changed.
As it is on 62k I was wondering if there was anything i should be specifically checking.
And if all good I could have the car by Wednesday :driver:
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Bear in mind if you want Heated Seats in an R32 you'll need to consider one with Leather Interior. Looks like you're leaning towards an ED30 though...
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All sounds like a full investigation mate and great to hear your taking your time and being patient (expensive decision)
As for noise on the ed30 Ive always been pleasantly impressed by the sound from the little 2.0 in the Gti even with the standard system :happy2:
Mine has a nice little rumble/rasp to it under hard acceleration
Full heated leather is a must in the 32 or Gti obviously the ed30 has half leather as standard
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Yeah on reflection the interior of the ED30 tipped it not being a mechanic you can only check the paperwork and go off the fact that if the interior and bodywork is kept in that condition then mechanical wise they looked after it.
Going to try and get some extras added on tomorrow when go and see again but not 100% sure for what to ask for. So far I am thinking full tank of fuel, 6 or 12 month warranty. Also the odd scuff on thebodywork that I will be asking to rectify.
But if all goes well could have the car in my possesion by Wednesday :laugh:
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I would go for the r32 personally maybe biased as I have one and as for the exhaust it's all down to preference as you have non res and res but you could get someone to swap their standard exhaust and cash your way for the one on it and if it has the cloth bucket r seats then these are rare to find so would be worth good money if you wanted to swap them over
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Cheers for everyones comments but have test drove the ED30 and now stuck a deposit down to mark it as sold.
I have noticed the left side of front bumper looked loke it was not fastened in so they are sorting that.
Also the drivers side wing mirror indicator plastic section had a slight crack so they are checking that. Does anyone know if this piece can be replaced or would it have to be the while wing mirror.
Managed to get 12 months warranty and a tank of fuel chucked in so that is not bad for my terrible negotiating skills :)
Took some more photos so will upload when get a chance
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Yeah you can just replace the indicator plastic on the wing mirrors
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Some pics of my possible new ride :laugh:
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Looks lovely! Nice! :happy2:
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Cheers
The pics they had on the website didnt do it justice. In the flesh the wheels are not bad but will still probably change and the Interior is immaculate :happy2:
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Congrats and enjoy your new ride! Nice color and good specs!
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Tornado Red ismy favourite in this car.
Will be looking for subtle mods but opened her up today on the M1 and god it has some power :driver:
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Looks good mate
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Probably a stupid question but how do you find out what number your ED30 is and I have heard of these plaques you can get that VW did not supply as standard
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Probably a stupid question but how do you find out what number your ED30 is and I have heard of these plaques you can get that VW did not supply as standard
congrats on the purchase mate, enjoy. Re the number of the Ed I think it's a case of ringing VW UK and giving them details of the (your) car and VW should provide you with build number and the plate if it has not been issued previously.
I think that's correct.
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Nice one, will give them a ring if complete on purchase. If the plate has been issued previously is there anyway of getting a replacement?
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I'm not totally sure how you'll get a plate if it's already been issued, I'd suspect you'll have to get one made up
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No multi function buttons? You have a highline dash I see with paddle buttons. I may be wrong but I thought the Multi function wheel would be fitted with the other two options? Maybe worth asking? The boot sticker will have all the codes for factory fitted options. Or call a VW dealer, give them the reg and they can tell you if it had one fitted from factory
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No multi function buttons? You have a highline dash I see with paddle buttons. I may be wrong but I thought the Multi function wheel would be fitted with the other two options? Maybe worth asking? The boot sticker will have all the codes for factory fitted options. Or call a VW dealer, give them the reg and they can tell you if it had one fitted from factory
Not an expert on ED30's but only just noticed there is no function buttons on the wheel.
Is there anything else ED30 standard that I should check for?
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Are the wheels original? I think I'd be looking for one with the proper alloys....
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Are the wheels original? I think I'd be looking for one with the proper alloys....
My guessing are the wheels are not original but would be replacing them anyway
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I would like the original wheels and will probably source some eventually but that is an easy fix. I just wanted to make sure that it had all the standard features elsewhere that were gonna cost me a bit or works out difficult to swap
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Where are the original wheels though thats the question :confused:
Makes you wonder if they were damaged or similar to remove them!
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I highly doubt theyve been removed because of damage. He probably sold them to buy the new ones.
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Good Point, looking at the wheels on there now there were a couple of scuffs so maybe originals were badly scuffed and removed. Or could have sold as presuming the originals were worth a lot mre than the current ones.
I like the black but with the silver around the outside they look tacky and cheap.
Just got off to the garage who are getting the car ready to pick up tomorrow so will make sure they have sorted the bumper and Indicator light.
What make of lights are on these vehicles as they werent the standard kind on my TSI so just wondered as they looked blueish when switched on but hard to tell as was day time
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The bulbs are Bosch from factory. You can replace them with Osram Xenarc Nigth Breaker Unlimited for an OEM+ performance, or just Osram Xenarc for OEM replacement.
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Anyone got any ideas on what upgrades/mods to do. I am conscious as this is a Special Edition car I do not want to touch anything that is specific to the ED30.
ALso does anyone know in terms of performance and BHP upgrades what is the best choices. I have heard of Induction Kits, Chips, Remaps etc
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Yep leave it alone and enjoy the car mate
Put the cash towards some Shell V power fuel :laugh:
Seriously though 200+ bhp is more than enough in any fwd car
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Yep leave it alone and enjoy the car mate
Put the cash towards some Shell V power fuel :laugh:
Seriously though 200+ bhp is more than enough in any fwd car
:happy2:
You are correct and most mods I will do will likely be Cosmetic and Subtle but would not mind getting a bit more sound out of the exhaust without spending hundreds
Should be picking up tomorrow but seems ages away :party:
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Anyone got any ideas on what upgrades/mods to do. I am conscious as this is a Special Edition car I do not want to touch anything that is specific to the ED30.
ALso does anyone know in terms of performance and BHP upgrades what is the best choices. I have heard of Induction Kits, Chips, Remaps etc
Why don't you browse the many members rides in the forum to see what can be done to these cars?
I've bought mine last week and I'll be ordering a few better parts to improve it. I already know that following the best projects around will make my ride better in every aspect and I won't have to do trial and error to get it right. :wink:
Matthewsimone has an old soul, he belongs to a minority that preaches that OEM cars are good enough. You need to know what you want from your Eddie and then follow that path. If the OEM parts are good enough for you, don't bother modding it. If you want better handling or better braking, see what others did in that area.
Do notice one thing, improving the engine without improving the rest is careless. Your brakes and suspension were made to handle 230 HP, not for +300 HP. :smiley:
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Congratulations on the new car! Looks a good spec example, and the alloys can be sorted - as you've said.
It's easy to add the multi-function buttons to a DSG car - had them added to mine - plug and play, pretty much!
Mods wise - said I wouldn't mod mine, and it has always felt more than 230bhp - I just wonder what a map adds to an already great car. Sorting the handling has been well worth it, even for the standard power.
Enjoy!!
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Anyone know what model of Stereo this is so I can check what features it has
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That's an MFD2 mate.
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Anyone got any ideas on what upgrades/mods to do. I am conscious as this is a Special Edition car I do not want to touch anything that is specific to the ED30.
ALso does anyone know in terms of performance and BHP upgrades what is the best choices. I have heard of Induction Kits, Chips, Remaps etc
Why don't you browse the many members rides in the forum to see what can be done to these cars?
I've bought mine last week and I'll be ordering a few better parts to improve it. I already know that following the best projects around will make my ride better in every aspect and I won't have to do trial and error to get it right. :wink:
Matthewsimone has an old soul, he belongs to a minority that preaches that OEM cars are good enough. You need to know what you want from your Eddie and then follow that path. If the OEM parts are good enough for you, don't bother modding it. If you want better handling or better braking, see what others did in that area.
Do notice one thing, improving the engine without improving the rest is careless. Your brakes and suspension were made to handle 230 HP, not for +300 HP. :smiley:
No so much old soul mate more wise sensible soul that understands the laws of physics when it comes to hi powered fwd cars :wink:
Ive previously owned modded hig powered fwd motors so know exactly what its all about some of which include a 330bhp mk1 focus Rs, utterly pointless!
Unless you plan to track your car the mk5 Gti is absolutely fine in standard oe form for road use
The country is littered with speed cameras and plod around every corner anyway so where exactly do you plan to use all this extra power/handling if not on a track :laugh:
As said enjoy the car for what it is mate.... A great car :driver:
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Stock brakes are barely enough for 230bhp IMO, even as a standard GTI I felt the 312mm brakes lacked any sort of urgency.
If you are looking to map an ED30 then I would recommend at least putting R32/S3 calipers on, I think a stock Chassis can handle 300bhp if you don't drive it like a loon :)
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Anyone know what model of Stereo this is so I can check what features it has
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Make sure the CD/DVD with the Sat Nav Maps is in the head unit.
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lovely car,great choice.
I put some decent pads on mine and some ebc discs along with a stage 1 map, 300bhp and great fun.
id say that the chassis and suspension can handle 300bhp, standard brakes no, but only if you are absolutely hammering it all the time.
p.s. - if you dont like your wheels, i will more than happily do a trade with my standard edition 30 wheels :wink:
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lovely car,great choice.
I put some decent pads on mine and some ebc discs along with a stage 1 map, 300bhp and great fun.
id say that the chassis and suspension can handle 300bhp, standard brakes no, but only if you are absolutely hammering it all the time.
p.s. - if you dont like your wheels, i will more than happily do a trade with my standard edition 30 wheels :wink:
Cheers, think it will take me a while before I am used to the current power and then will look a a stage map.
Have you got pics of your wheels as definately interested in doing a deal if works out
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Looks like a mfd2 to me cd version
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Got the nod today that my car is ready and will be picking up tonight so cannot wait :grin:
Just got to get used to the DSG box as even though I have driven for nearly 20 years I had never drove anything but a Manual as took a bit of getting used to. It is just weird pressing the brake and slowing down and then not using a clutch as you think the car is going to stall :confused:
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Finally got the car home and drives like a beauty, absolutely love it.
I am sure I will have several questions but I noticed in the storage bit under the middle armrest was a USB slot. Does anyone knowif this is standard and what is it for or if likely someone has added this mod?
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Take a picture. For that headunit there was an Ipod connection, not an USB connection.
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Anyone know what model of Stereo this is so I can check what features it has
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As mentioned, this is the MFD2 - DVD Version. The silver buttons give it away. I would upgrade the head unit for an RNS-510 - far superior piece of kit. Offset the cost by selling the MFD on the ebay :happy2:
Rich
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Take a picture. For that headunit there was an Ipod connection, not an USB connection.
Picture below I took yesterday. cannot see any iPOD connection or is it a case someone has upgraded to this unit and not installed an iPod connection?
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My connection is inside the armrest mate
Factory option :happy2:
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My connection is inside the armrest mate
Factory option :happy2:
So is it likely the iPOD option wasnt taken on mine when bought as can only see the USB connection which is a charger from testing as cannot select from Head Unit.
There is the rubber bit with ridges just in front of the USB slot so could be in ther emaybe but unlikely
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Anyone got anymore info on this.
My thinking is this USb slot was a modification by someone and as it only charges they have hooked it to a power supply only. Wondering what connection I have on my Stereo to see if I could hook it up to the Stereo
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That's an MFD2 mate.
Version C of the MFD2.
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So is it likely the iPOD option wasnt taken on mine when bought as can only see the USB connection which is a charger from testing as cannot select from Head Unit.
There is the rubber bit with ridges just in front of the USB slot so could be in ther emaybe but unlikely
For me it looks like something the previous owner fitted to charge his cellphone or something like it.
A MFD2 needs an external player to read MP3 files, like a Yatour. That external player connects to the rear connector and emulates an external CD box, so you need to choose auxiliar audio to listen to audio coming from it. At best there's an external audio player under that plastic cover. :confused:
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So after reading manual for my stereo it states the factory option usb which is located where mine is. So instead of thinking someone has modded here I thought this may be factory fitted and hook up to stereo.
When sticking a USB in it states press the CD button which will allow you to select the USB and play music. This does not seem to work on mines as cannot see USB anywhere.
Anyway know what maybe wrong?
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I think you have to press the CD button twice. I have to do that for it to link to the iPod in the armrest
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I think you have to press the CD button twice. I have to do that for it to link to the iPod in the armrest
Cheers, il try that later today and hopefully it connects
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I didn't know that existed. I hope you can make it work. :smiley:
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I didn't know that existed. I hope you can make it work. :smiley:
Neither did I as mostlikeme were saying the ipod connection was a factory option but the manual mention the USB slot so lets hope as get irritated listening to the radio or having to keep swapping CD :confused:
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Stuck USB pen in this morning and pressed CDbutton Twice and hey presto like magic it played the music :laugh:
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Great news! :happy2:
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Everytime Ive had an Ed, I always miss my R
Everytime Ive had an R, I miss my Ed.
Moral?
Buy both :happy2:
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Buy an Edition 30 or both! :grin:
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I have to say I have owned the ED30 now for a few months and do not regret my choice one bit. And it makes it even better after going with the DSG model as makes it feel so much sportier.
I think I would have still enjoyed the R32 but possibly would not have felt as special as owning the Limited Edition model :)
Also was a nice bonus finding out it seemed to have had a remap and is producing at least 270bhp if not nearer 300bhp but need to get it on a rolloing road and confirm
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I have owned both cars R32 was obviously 4wd and had about 275 bhp.
My Edition 30 that I currently own is miles better in many ways.
Tuned to 360bhp and does not loose traction. It handles just as well as the R32 possibly better due to coilovers fitted. It's a DSG model and has far
More attention than the R32 as they are far more common.
Plus the edition 30 will hold more money in the long run.
Plus I love the turbo that the R32 never had.
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It's a really expensive job but a limited slip differential totally transforms these cars. You won't get all the cost back at resale but the car may attract a small premium. If you're in for long ownership consider it. :happy2:
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say if I was to buy a r32 and everything is completely stock how much do you think it would cost to fit a turbo in there. Seen one on piston heads for 19k with turbo way too much. If I can have a turbo and all the supporting mods in there for under 5k I'm in :smiley:
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say if I was to buy a r32 and everything is completely stock how much do you think it would cost to fit a turbo in there. Seen one on piston heads for 19k with turbo way too much. If I can have a turbo and all the supporting mods in there for under 5k I'm in :smiley:
Not much chance of that unfortunately. 5K will get you a Stage 1 TRD Supercharger (without factoring in all the other 'bits' you need).
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say if I was to buy a r32 and everything is completely stock how much do you think it would cost to fit a turbo in there. Seen one on piston heads for 19k with turbo way too much. If I can have a turbo and all the supporting mods in there for under 5k I'm in :smiley:
Not much chance of that unfortunately. 5K will get you a Stage 1 TRD Supercharger (without factoring in all the other 'bits' you need).
no point in spending around 10k+ for a turbo on r32 then rather get the mk6 r, s3 or evo x then. I know none of those are v6 but much cheaper to tune.
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say if I was to buy a r32 and everything is completely stock how much do you think it would cost to fit a turbo in there. Seen one on piston heads for 19k with turbo way too much. If I can have a turbo and all the supporting mods in there for under 5k I'm in :smiley:
To do a turbo even half decently is 7 - 10k.
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say if I was to buy a r32 and everything is completely stock how much do you think it would cost to fit a turbo in there. Seen one on piston heads for 19k with turbo way too much. If I can have a turbo and all the supporting mods in there for under 5k I'm in :smiley:
Not much chance of that unfortunately. 5K will get you a Stage 1 TRD Supercharger (without factoring in all the other 'bits' you need).
no point in spending around 10k+ for a turbo on r32 then rather get the mk6 r, s3 or evo x then. I know none of those are v6 but much cheaper to tune.
MK6 R would be my choice. Although, it would be cheaper to just supercharge my R32 if I wanted around 350 bhp. Selling it, buying a MK6 R and then tuning it would cost me a lot more than 5K.