MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: TaylorGTi on April 07, 2015, 04:44:47 pm
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So Iv got my new helix clutch and dmf fitted and boy does it bite! I know it's a new clutch but im finding it hard to pull off in first! To add to that it seems to judder a lot in first, would this be down to being new and needing to get used to the feel of it and being uprated?
The pedal is definiatly heavier and there is about an inch of play at top where it's nice and light then gets quite abit heavier not like before where it was same feel through out the clutch pedal...
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You'll get used to it. Mine juddered a lot to begin with for the first few hundred miles but now it doesn't judder at all.
The top inch of pedal play has no clutch engagement, then when you actually press the pedal down mine does get a little harder to push down the further down you go.
Helix 6 paddle with bleed valve/return restrictor removal on mine.
You'll get used to it... driving anything else is annoying now because I like the instant clutch engagement and disengagement.
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Yeah it feels different, Iv got a bit of driving to do in next week around town so hopefully it'll smooth out! I just thought organic clutches are mean be very oem?
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Will soften up soon and the bite will feel just like OEM, but more consistent
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I hated it at first but a few week you'll start to like it.
Sore on the ankle in traffic though haha.
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Perfectly normal. Had the exact same clutch and DMF fitted to my vRS. It behaves exactly as you describe.
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So I live on a super hilly area (Torquay) and I came to do a hill start earlier and stalled... The bite seems like such a small window if you get my drift... It just wanted to judder forward. Surely this isn't right or is it needing a bit of time to bed in?
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Again, mines the exact same bud. Needs around 500 miles before it'll be running optimally.
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Can this judder cause damage to the car cause it feels pretty violent in slow moving traffic and doing hill starts! :ashamed:
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Can this judder cause damage to the car cause it feels pretty violent in slow moving traffic and doing hill starts! :ashamed:
Doubt it will do the car any good!
Happy to have read this thread though - absolutely convinced me to replace my clutch with a standard item when it goes!
Bet these uprated clutches are brilliant on the track and fast road but sound bloody awful for normal stop start traffic
But hey mine isnt mapped (yet) and both the clutch and flywheel are nearly 170k old and both tight as drum!
So hopefully I wont need to find the grand to replace them just yet!
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Can this judder cause damage to the car cause it feels pretty violent in slow moving traffic and doing hill starts! :ashamed:
Doubt it will do the car any good!
Happy to have read this thread though - absolutely convinced me to replace my clutch with a standard item when it goes!
Bet these uprated clutches are brilliant on the track and fast road but sound bloody awful for normal stop start traffic
But hey mine isnt mapped (yet) and both the clutch and flywheel are nearly 170k old and both tight as drum!
So hopefully I wont need to find the grand to replace them just yet!
Nahhh the Helix is great. Once bedded in after 500 miles the bite is better than the stock clutch, the pedal is a little heavier but you soon get used to it and it just feels normal.
The stock clutches can't handle much torque, you would have to get a very gentle map to preserve the stock clutch if & when you get a map :happy2:
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Can this judder cause damage to the car cause it feels pretty violent in slow moving traffic and doing hill starts! :ashamed:
Doubt it will do the car any good!
Happy to have read this thread though - absolutely convinced me to replace my clutch with a standard item when it goes!
Bet these uprated clutches are brilliant on the track and fast road but sound bloody awful for normal stop start traffic
But hey mine isnt mapped (yet) and both the clutch and flywheel are nearly 170k old and both tight as drum!
So hopefully I wont need to find the grand to replace them just yet!
@StuF (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3501)
If you do decide to have your car tuned (to any degree) you may need a uprated clutch to deal with the extra torque. Get yourself in a car with an uprated clutch and you'll be surpiresed just how good they are.
Ive had my Helix for well over a year and right from day one it's felt great, really does inspire so much more confidence when pressing on the loud pedal. No it's not a spongy OEM peddle feel but is happy as Larry pottering around town in heavy traffic, which mine does 95% of the time.
If your in the South I'll happily take you out in the Mistress.
:happy2:
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I'm more coming to the conclusion that something's not right... Top of the pedal is flappy like its not doing anything. Next to impossible to drive in heavy traffic, driving me mad as product comes so highly recommended from so many people. I'm guna give Alex a call tomorrow and see what he thinks!
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Can this judder cause damage to the car cause it feels pretty violent in slow moving traffic and doing hill starts! :ashamed:
Doubt it will do the car any good!
Happy to have read this thread though - absolutely convinced me to replace my clutch with a standard item when it goes!
Bet these uprated clutches are brilliant on the track and fast road but sound bloody awful for normal stop start traffic
But hey mine isnt mapped (yet) and both the clutch and flywheel are nearly 170k old and both tight as drum!
So hopefully I wont need to find the grand to replace them just yet!
@StuF (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3501)
If you do decide to have your car tuned (to any degree) you may need a uprated clutch to deal with the extra torque. Get yourself in a car with an uprated clutch and you'll be surpiresed just how good they are.
Ive had my Helix for well over a year and right from day one it's felt great, really does inspire so much more confidence when pressing on the loud pedal. No it's not a spongy OEM peddle feel but is happy as Larry pottering around town in heavy traffic, which mine does 95% of the time.
If your in the South I'll happily take you out in the Mistress.
:happy2:
Cheers for the offer :happy2: - if it a case of 500 miles and the clutch is bedded in I will consider it if and when I replace my OG one!
Sounds like TaylorGTI might have a separate issue!
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I'm more coming to the conclusion that something's not right... Top of the pedal is flappy like its not doing anything. Next to impossible to drive in heavy traffic, driving me mad as product comes so highly recommended from so many people. I'm guna give Alex a call tomorrow and see what he thinks!
Sounds like it needs bleeding again. Shouldn't be floppy, but springy at the top.
Where was it fitted?
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Can this judder cause damage to the car cause it feels pretty violent in slow moving traffic and doing hill starts! :ashamed:
Doubt it will do the car any good!
Happy to have read this thread though - absolutely convinced me to replace my clutch with a standard item when it goes!
I do mostly town driving with my paddle, it's honestly fine.
my mrs can drive it, if she can so can you lol
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Can this judder cause damage to the car cause it feels pretty violent in slow moving traffic and doing hill starts! :ashamed:
I've used Helix organic clutches for years in various VWs and believe me, they are among the smoothest out there in the aftermarket..... so yours juddering violently is not normal. They can judder a *little* at a particular pedal position and rpm, but over time this will disappear completely at best, or stay the same at worst.
I would say bleed the slave cylinder again and learn to get the pedal / rpm balance right to work around the juddering. Try pulling away with more revs than usual, but don't race the engine. You should notice it's a lot smoother and will also help to bed it in. If you feel it really isn't right (and it should be user friendly tbh), I would seek advice from the installer.
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So as I said previous was having a nightmare with the clutch. Gave Alex a call and had a little chat. Came to the conclusion it sou ded like it needed a bleed.
Turns out he was correct, got bleed today still slightly light at top but feels like a normal clutch then slightly heavier lower down but much lighter than before! No juddering on pull of and actually a rather nice bite!
Still getting used to the stronger bite but slightly more revs than usual and it's fine! I mostly town drive on hills living in Torquay and i can see it being fine for a daily driver!
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Hi guys, Good to read this thread as I need to do the same and am trying to find out about which clutch to go for. Helix and stock DMF seems to be the right answer. Ive got an Edition 30 with 295bhp and 330 ft lb.
Can I ask where you got it from - is it AKS? Im in Bristol so it would be a bit of a trip to get over there, is this the sort of thing you can get delivered and fitted locally (or did you go all the way from Torquay??!)
Cheers for any advice.
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^^^^ Contact Alex at AKS and he can supply and ship or supply and fit. Your in Bristol so no biggy to get to Bedford for a top service and very good price.
http://www.akstuning.co.uk
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Ok, thanks mate. Seems he is well recommended, Ill get on the phone to him tomorrow. Probably is worth a trip up there (although then I risk ending up buying more goodies as well!)
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I got my Helix fitted this week. Feels good - heavier pedal feel in the bottom half of the travel, as someone said above. Not a problem though I like the feel of it really. More solid feeling and sporty than the OEM. The biting point is much lower in the pedal travel as well which I prefer (like my old mini!).
I gave it a test out yesterday - after putting some town miles on it - and it seems solid as a rock so Im happy so far!
As the top cm or two of pedal travel is now effectively redundant (no resistance at all at first) Im wondering if I can make a little modification so the pedal doesnt come up so far, to make it quicker to get your foot up onto it...
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Tbh bud, now Iv put on about 2000 miles with about 400 town... Feels awesome! I got it bleed again couple hundred ago and now feels oem! Only time I notice difference is sat on m25 crawling forward and then I notice the slightly heavier pedal! Bite is still strong as ever.
As for the none existent feel at top I had that but now it feels normal all way down just slightly heavier once I get 3/4 of way down where it's actually engaging clutch.
My biting point like yours was very low but now thankfully it's mid range :happy2:
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Ok - it obviously settles in a bit later on then. Glad yours is still working well. Its a good upgrade I reckon for a mapped car. They need it.
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Got mine from Alex last week & got it fitted on Thursday, I've only done 80 motorway miles. Peddle is heavier but I love it, not given it any beans yet as I'll put some mileage on it first.
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Looking forward to getting a Helix kit fitted to mine before I go stage 2+
Seems the stock clutches are pretty weak. Seen so many maps where the power has to be pulled back to stop the clutch slipping...seems a bit pointless having all the power of the drivetrain can't cope with it!