MK5 Golf GTI
General => Product Reviews => Topic started by: SteveP on December 05, 2009, 03:03:41 pm
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Why
Well like all mods the why part is a subjective question, but to me I wanted an intake that had been designed to work with the car and wasn't just there for "eye candy".
As this is something that lives under than bonnet and is rarely seen, to me function was the absolute priority.
The limitation on my car has been two things when I when to Revo Stage 2+, one was the DSG box (now resolved with software) and the intake
So when I was asked to go and see ITG so they could test fit an early version of their kit I jumped at the chance.
This also gave me a good opportunity to really understand what goes into the development and production of these kits.
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Turbo Hose with step to improve airlfow
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Ali part's all rolled edged and with top quality welded brackets
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FStevep_010%2Fitg%2FIMG_2897.jpg&hash=0ff4895104a9dc4eb2a13bcf039b7c9fad331a7c)
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Plus a bulit-in headshield on the main bracket
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The rest of the kit
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And the kit installed in the car: -
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Sourcing
Available either directly from ITG - Tel 024 7630 5386 or from a number of different resellers and tuners.
Fitting
Takes less than an hour and requires a few basic tools. A good set of ratchet hose clamp pliers really help when removing the OEM hose connection to the top of the turbo.
Other versions
Plenty of options in the market, including: -
Evoms
Forge Twin Take
Dbilas
BSH True Seal Intake
Plus Points
- A really well developed and made product, key feature being a correctly sized MAF housing
- Using a properly rated and oiled foam filter
- Dyno and data logging based proven improvements over OEM intake and airbox
- Awesome enhancement to the engine / turbo noise, with my favorite being the "80's Rally car style" wastegate chatter
Minus Points
None for me, but some might not like the increased noise or the fact by default (unless you chop an original engine cover up or buy an after market one) you engine will no longer be covered.
Summary
So after now over 14k miles on the various kits I have had from ITG (4 in total during the development) I can 100% say I would recommend the kit.
As with most of the mods I have done it's opened my eyes as to how these different parts can really change the way the car "feels", this is certainly one I would do sooner rather than later next time.
My logging has shown a peak airflow increase across the MAF 17-18g/s compared to the old OEM airbox with high flow filter.
A back to back dyno test of the kit to compare the OEM airbox with OEM paper filter and the kit also produced a very healthy increase (wheel power shown below): -
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fkk207%2FStevep_010%2FGolfGtiEdn30_X50_DSG_ITG.jpg&hash=66d3ffb2e1b42da74c826c671abaf66d00f2bd5a)
Plus the final bit of positive data is my long term fuel trims have improved to - Lambda (Partial) - Self-Adaptation = 1.8%
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the ITG rocks, absolutely love mine.
If you love the chatter on yours you should hear the one on the Seat. So much louder than mine.
I didnt know the intake was known as the maxogen though.
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Obviously the ITG Maxogen is a great performer and subject to seeing graphs, data etc from it on other cars as well, it looks very promising indeed. As you say, eye-candy it certainly ain't!
I expect that an intake such as this is going to be more worthwhile on the higher performing GTI/ED30's.
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i think your the minority there though RR (each to their own though, everyone who has seen mine has commented on how awesome it looks. my ITG made iirc 7-9bhp over my previous Code red induction kit, so prob alot more from a stock intake
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It certainly looks very "awesome" but more in a functional way - It's only my opinion but I still wish that ITG had resolved the foam seals more aesthetically than a couple of foam blocks on top of the battery.
It looks very purposeful and its many components have been very well manufactured as SteveP's pics show.
The intake has suited Steve's individal car performance very well too. That's why I hope others will also post their plots here in this review. As I say, it looks very promising indeed.
The ITG Maxogen would appear to clearly be a high-end intake.
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Nice write up really good review. :happy2:
Nice to see the MAF readings.
You got me sold. Currently have the Dbilas.
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It certainly looks very "awesome" but more in a functional way - It's only my opinion but I still wish that ITG had resolved the foam seals more aesthetically than a couple of foam blocks on top of the battery.
It looks very purposeful and its many components have been very well manufactured as SteveP's pics show.
The intake has suited Steve's individal car performance very well too. That's why I hope others will also post their plots here in this review. As I say, it looks very promising indeed.
The ITG Maxogen would appear to clearly be a high-end intake.
Robin, I like things to look right to and have trimmed my "bits of foam" a little here and there and it looks much more finished, I'll take some pics when I get a chance , what we need to remember is all ITG do is filters and intakes, its what they do, a lot of the other intakes are made by companies that do all sorts of products. I'm not saying that makes their intakes worse, but if you were buying brakes you'd go to a company that did brakes, need I say anymore :wink:
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It certainly looks very "awesome" but more in a functional way - It's only my opinion but I still wish that ITG had resolved the foam seals more aesthetically than a couple of foam blocks on top of the battery.
It looks very purposeful and its many components have been very well manufactured as SteveP's pics show.
The intake has suited Steve's individal car performance very well too. That's why I hope others will also post their plots here in this review. As I say, it looks very promising indeed.
The ITG Maxogen would appear to clearly be a high-end intake.
Robin, I like things to look right to and have trimmed my "bits of foam" a little here and there and it looks much more finished, I'll take some pics when I get a chance , what we need to remember is all ITG do is filters and intakes, its what they do, a lot of the other intakes are made by companies that do all sorts of products. I'm not saying that makes their intakes worse, but if you were buying brakes you'd go to a company that did brakes, need I say anymore :wink:
Good point mate. Thier development is soley on Inets / filters! Sell me you PR1.2s in Jan!
Steve, do you know anything about modifying the transmision cooling duct to aid air flow to the ITG? May just be a Leon thing...
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Robin, I like things to look right to and have trimmed my "bits of foam" a little here and there and it looks much more finished, I'll take some pics when I get a chance , what we need to remember is all ITG do is filters and intakes, its what they do, a lot of the other intakes are made by companies that do all sorts of products. I'm not saying that makes their intakes worse, but if you were buying brakes you'd go to a company that did brakes, need I say anymore :wink:
....That's good that you are able to trim your 'foam bits' (Parisienne?) and I do hope that people don't think I'm anti the Maxogen - I'm just being very honest about my thoughts on it.
I'm not aware of other intakes which ITG have produced. Filters yes, and with an excellent reputation for them, and I have an ITG panel filter installed. That doesn't mean to say that ITG can't produce excellent intakes as well.
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the ITG rocks, absolutely love mine.
If you love the chatter on yours you should hear the one on the Seat. So much louder than mine.
I didnt know the intake was known as the maxogen though.
Maxogen is the range name for all the ITG intake kits - http://www.itgairfilters.com/content2.asp?section=maxogen :happy2:
I have heard it on Revo's Leon and it's slightly louder than the K04 based Golf, but that's mainly down to the differences in the sound proofing.
Plus i have found the Forge DV really brings the wastegate sound alive :evilgrin:
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Good read, cheers steve. To me that is eye candy, fully functioning solution to me is eye candy, if your with me!
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Cheers Jay :happy2:
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ask if they'll do one for a tdi!
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Nice write up, only had mine on a day but had a good drive up to Liverpool this morning and got to say it's awesome
went for the all black stealth version and it looks mean!
After the trip up from London today I popped the bonnet and the foam and metal bit on the filter side was cold to touch so shows it's working.
Certainly knows his suff andy @ITG, :happy2:
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To me that is eye candy, fully functioning solution to me is eye candy, if your with me!
.... :laugh: ^ - For a change I won't take this off-topic to debate what eye-candy is. For me this particular ITG is say 90%, mostly because the foam blocks reduce an otherwise high rating.
I see from the link that many of the Maxogen range use sealed filter boxes - Always a preferable option. [Some very pretty in carbonfibre too :evilgrin:].
During their development I discussed at some length with Andy@ITG about enclosing the foam filter but I guess they couldn't achieve a big enough filtration surface area in order to achieve worthwhile gains because of lack of space in the engine bay. ITG always said that they wouldn't release a product unless significant power gains could be realised by the addition of their intake.
I think that ITG were concerned about costs too. You haven't posted a price, Steve, but I know that normal recommended retail price puts it higher than most others, but then it appears to perform better than most, subject as always to the whole raft of mods which an individual car sports.
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Maxogen is the range name for all the ITG intake kits - http://www.itgairfilters.com/content2.asp?section=maxogen :happy2:
I have heard it on Revo's Leon and it's slightly louder than the K04 based Golf, but that's mainly down to the differences in the sound proofing.
Plus i have found the Forge DV really brings the wastegate sound alive :evilgrin:
taken the sound proofing out as it was sagging. Really makes some noise though. Not sure what it sounds like from the outside?
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RRP was £368 inc VAT last time I checked.
I am looking forward to your review about the Forge TwinTake Robin so I can post equally constructive comments about that :happy2:
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went for the all black stealth version and it looks mean!
....Thumbsup that ITG offer both white and black versions. White might be a better heat reflector but there's not a lot of it in the air tract and I personally much prefer the look of the black. Aren't both versions ceramic coated anyway?
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^^^ The white is a one of ceramic coated version for testing that I have, black powder coated is the new standard finish :happy2:
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I am looking forward to your review about the Forge TwinTake Robin so I can post equally constructive comments about that :happy2:
.... :confused: Gosh! Are you finding that my comments are being 'unconstructive'? Please PM me and tell me in what way because it's not the intention. Or am I misinterpreting your post?
Anyway, although I have started drafting it, my Forge TWINtake review won't be ready until I have dyno plots. We won't be able to make deeply meaningful or conclusive comparisons with the ITG or indeed any other intake, without testing intakes on the same car. That's my point in suggesting we need to see other plots etc from other cars (K03 especially) with the ITG fitted - So we can further confirm rather than trash its excellent performance.
Btw, I assume it was you who locked my 'forthcoming announcement' thread - Would you please now remove that whole thread please - it's no longer relevant.
I was mistaken in thinking that the ITG and TWINtake were the only ones at a similar price level - There are several more at around £300.
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Robin, I like things to look right to and have trimmed my "bits of foam" a little here and there and it looks much more finished, I'll take some pics when I get a chance , what we need to remember is all ITG do is filters and intakes, its what they do, a lot of the other intakes are made by companies that do all sorts of products. I'm not saying that makes their intakes worse, but if you were buying brakes you'd go to a company that did brakes, need I say anymore :wink:
....That's good that you are able to trim your 'foam bits' (Parisienne?) and I do hope that people don't think I'm anti the Maxogen - I'm just being very honest about my thoughts on it.
I'm not aware of other intakes which ITG have produced. Filters yes, and with an excellent reputation for them, and I have an ITG panel filter installed. That doesn't mean to say that ITG can't produce excellent intakes as well.
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They were developing a huge RS6 intake while i was their, dont know if anyone else saw it.
So has anyone ran a duct from the lower fog light up to the filter?
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^^^ Yep saw the RS6 intake with the dual filters :notworthy: was really surprised how small the OEM panels where.
I am planning on some ducting in the new year to add some more cold air to the filter area but to be honest I am not 100% sure it even needs it :smiley:
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Im not sure it needs it either but every little helps and for what its worth might aswell do it when ive got a spare weekend.
When i was talking to andy he said there's a huge amount of air flow to utalize down by the fog light, but as i understand the cooling duct for the transmission is in the way and needs removing first.
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I am planning on some ducting in the new year to add some more cold air to the filter area but to be honest I am not 100% sure it even needs it :smiley:
....Would be very easy to do with some flexi-hose. But, as you say, does your car need any more air!?
Just seeing RobH's post: I thought I could see a way through without removing anything when I last looked but perhaps I'm wrong. Surely you wouldn't want to interfere with tranny cooling ducts. Andy@ITG says he knows some tricks for doing it.
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I am planning on some ducting in the new year to add some more cold air to the filter area but to be honest I am not 100% sure it even needs it :smiley:
....Would be very easy to do with some flexi-hose. But, as you say, does your car need any more air!?
Just seeing RobH's post: I thought I could see a way through without removing anything when I last looked but perhaps I'm wrong. Surely you wouldn't want to interfere with tranny cooling ducts. Andy@ITG says he knows some tricks for doing it.
May have to give him a ring then :happy2:.
If you have the forge twintercooler fitted the transmission duct is removed anyway as its in the way of the ic pipes.
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nice to see another review that is not blowing undeserved sunshine up a manufacturers aris! Functional Steve! You could arrive at the Dorchester and still be understated with that one, unless the Concierge wanted a look! Good review mate!
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I will be posting a review on my experiences with the Golf and my experiences to get it upgraded soon. By that I mean, I have owned it for 2 years now, and not all is good.
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Cheers Dave :happy2:
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what we need to remember is all ITG do is filters and intakes, its what they do, a lot of the other intakes are made by companies that do all sorts of products. I'm not saying that makes their intakes worse, but if you were buying brakes you'd go to a company that did brakes, need I say anymore :wink:
....That's good that you are able to trim your 'foam bits' (Parisienne?) and I do hope that people don't think I'm anti the Maxogen - I'm just being very honest about my thoughts on it.
I'm not aware of other intakes which ITG have produced. Filters yes, and with an excellent reputation for them, and I have an ITG panel filter installed. That doesn't mean to say that ITG can't produce excellent intakes as well.
They were developing a huge RS6 intake while i was their, dont know if anyone else saw it.
he showed me all sorts when i was there. from intakes designed for BTCC cars, to F2 and F1 stuff. you should also see some of the media he had on his computer as well. The amount of custom work they do is huge.
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yep saw all of that aswell, unless youve been down i dont think you can appreciate the work they do.
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Great review Steve. :happy2:
I'd love to be able to get the ITG, Twintake, EVOMs and Dbilas on one car for the day with a Dyno to do some "level playing field" testing.
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I didn't know that ITG were quite so prolific in their intake production - I'm glad I raised the question.
[I still don't like the foam blocks though]
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Great review Steve. :happy2:
I'd love to be able to get the ITG, Twintake, EVOMs and Dbilas on one car for the day with a Dyno to do some "level playing field" testing.
Id love to see that as well. realistically you would need to have about 3 dyno runs on each, vcds to reset the adaption on the ECU between each intake, and a dyno operator who wasnt going to charge the world to have it run. or a magazine article....
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Great review Steve :happy2:
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lovely review :happy2: Good to see you joining in the review fun :signLOL:
that graph shows an incredible 'area under curve' gain at the top end :laugh: must just sing to the (new) redline.
(why the increased revs between the 2 graphs ? I ask as the original DSG software retards the ign pre redline and kills power for the pending change. )
Im a little confused as to how ITG get these good results and the Twintake still requires the 2 filters to get the same (in theory) gain.
Do you have a number on available filter area to allow comparison to the twintake ?
I also like the fact that your pictures show that the ITG is secured in 2 places between the filter and the inlet (3 if you include the foam at the battery) . the fixing above the exhaust heatshield was news to me :happy2:
MAF figures very nice to have ,nice touch.
Having heard this fitted to Gaz's S3 I have to say it makes some lovely noises :drool:
my only overriding issue with this is the fact its an oiled filter. Im not wishing to drag your review off topic but its the only thing that puts me off this. Im just not a great fan of this type, and feel compelled to agree with TT thoughts on this subject :surprised:
(not sure its gonna put me off buying one though :signLOL:)
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Im a little confused as to how ITG get these good results and the Twintake still requires the 2 filters to get the same (in theory) gain
Dont let RR read that, :scared: :wink:
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Im a little confused as to how ITG get these good results and the Twintake still requires the 2 filters to get the same (in theory) gain.
Do you have a number on available filter area to allow comparison to the twintake ?
....I think that most intake designs seeking high performance will be chasing what combines a large surface area of filtering media with the induction of the coolest possible air.
ITG and Forge have approached this slightly differently from each other. Obviously I don't want to sidetrack Steve's ITG review by going into lengthy details about the TWINtake here. The details of how and why the TWINtake works is quite lengthy and will be included in my forthcoming review in about a week.
Currently the ITG called Maxogen is the favourite to win any race for a highest performing intake award and a horse called Twintake is second favourite. We don't yet know horse Twintake's form and at best it might only be a dead heat.
Sy, I've just seen your post - Please don't think that I believe the Twintake to be the 'best' of the two - I don't - I have an open mind. We all have to see more about how both these intake solutions perform on a variety of cars. Either way, neither are at all shabby!
My personal choice of the Twintake has not been based on any negative opinions about the ITG's performance nor even any belief that the Twintake will perform any better.
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I have an open mind
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6 and two 3's RR. both will be good. etto
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Great review Steve. :happy2:
I'd love to be able to get the ITG, Twintake, EVOMs and Dbilas on one car for the day with a Dyno to do some "level playing field" testing.
I agree that would be a great test to do :happy2:
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lovely review :happy2: Good to see you joining in the review fun :signLOL:
that graph shows an incredible 'area under curve' gain at the top end :laugh: must just sing to the (new) redline.
(why the increased revs between the 2 graphs ? I ask as the original DSG software retards the ign pre redline and kills power for the pending change. )
Im a little confused as to how ITG get these good results and the Twintake still requires the 2 filters to get the same (in theory) gain.
Do you have a number on available filter area to allow comparison to the twintake ?
I also like the fact that your pictures show that the ITG is secured in 2 places between the filter and the inlet (3 if you include the foam at the battery) . the fixing above the exhaust heatshield was news to me :happy2:
MAF figures very nice to have ,nice touch.
Having heard this fitted to Gaz's S3 I have to say it makes some lovely noises :drool:
my only overriding issue with this is the fact its an oiled filter. Im not wishing to drag your review off topic but its the only thing that puts me off this. Im just not a great fan of this type, and feel compelled to agree with TT thoughts on this subject :surprised:
(not sure its gonna put me off buying one though :signLOL:)
Cheers John_o :happy2:
The Dyno operator saw the power tailing off past 5.5k on the OEM airbox so that's why he didn't push it any further.
I never really like the idea of an oiled panel filter (partly because of T_T's comments) but after having the reasons for the oil explained in great detail by Andy @ ITG, plus seeing the inside of the original filter cone I ran for nearly 10k miles, was spotless inside the ali spinning, I can say now say I have no issues with the oiled filter.
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plus seeing the inside of the original filter cone I ran for nearly 10k miles, was spotless inside the ali spinning, I can say now say I have no issues with the oiled filter.
Ill second that. When i put my new heat shield on it was clean as a whistle on the aluminium inside the filter
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plus seeing the inside of the original filter cone I ran for nearly 10k miles, was spotless inside the ali spinning, I can say now say I have no issues with the oiled filter.
Ill second that. When i put my new heat shield on it was clean as a whistle on the aluminium inside the filter
I'll 3rd that, when I swapped to the new shield there was no signs of oil on the aluminium :happy2:
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I've been running an oiled ITG panel filter for nearly 50k miles. I discussed maintenance and the question of oil with Andy too and he completely satisfied me with his very helpful explanation.
However, in the case of the oiled ITG panel filter it does need either refurbishing or replacement after so many miles, he said. Refurbishing involves soaking in petrol etc IIRC and it all sounded too tedious for me with my limited skills and lack of equipment.
Is there any maintenance required for the oiled filter of the Maxogen intake reviewed?
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iirc(steve correct me if im wrong) its as you say. I believe its every 20000miles Douse it in fuel(whilst smoking five cigarettes :scared:) massage it in allow fuel to evaporate, and the re-oil. That oil is disgusting though. Its really really thick and gets everywhere. but the filter sould last a long time
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Yep 20k is suggested interval and petrol is one suggestion but other cleaning agents are available I believe, as Simon says then using a spray can that ITG can supply you just re-oil the filter. :happy2:
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Andy very kindly sent me a can :smiley:
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remember him saying you drove off without yours. good of him to mail it to you. That new heat shield seems better as well with its new plastic rim where the filter goes through!
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remember him saying you drove off without yours. good of him to mail it to you. That new heat shield seems better as well with its new plastic rim where the filter goes through!
yes much better, the old one was digging into and chaffing the aluminium part of the filter, so he sent me a new filter too :happy2:, so I have a spare to swop straight over instead of cleaning. Can then clean the dirty filter at my leisure and put back on the self for next time :smiley:
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Great write up Steve :happy2:
Has anyone else checked their fuel trims on block 032 of VCDS after fitting the ITG?
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is that not in steves forst post right at the bottom? not to be stupid, but any chance of an explanation as to what this fuel trim figure means, and what effect it has
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is that not in steves forst post right at the bottom? not to be stupid, but any chance of an explanation as to what this fuel trim figure means, and what effect it has
Fuel trims show the amount of adjustment the ecu is having to make to correct the cars fueling. They are displayed as a percentage, the nearer the fuel trims are to 0% the better, as this means little adjustment is needed. There are many factors that can result in unhealthy fuel trims such as boost and vac leaks or faulty sensors etc. An incorrectly scaled maf housing can also result in this as it will cause the maf to misread the amount of airflow that is being injested into the engine. Of course this shouldn't be a factor with the ITG as it has a correctly scaled maf housing unlinke many other aftermarket cai's available on the market.
Here is a more in depth explanation on fuel trims: http://www.ross-tech.com/vag-com/cars/fuel-trim.html (http://www.ross-tech.com/vag-com/cars/fuel-trim.html)
The reason i asked is because my long term fuel trims are showing up to +7% since fitting the ITG, but as i mentioned above this may be caused by one of many things.
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thats interesting. thats something i might have to log when i next get to have a blast on VCDS.
re-reading stevePs first post. he has a value of 1.8% for his fuel trim.
Thanks for the link. Interesting read. im going to have adlve through that site. been tempted with VCDS for a long time
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im currently at 6.3% - only had it on since friday though... previously dbilas
will keep an eye on it to see if it drops at all.
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does this mean that ideally you require the remap to be tweaked to make the mostof the extra incoming air
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I have tweaked my map - revo st 2+ settings are b8 t6 f6 , kev @ revo recommended to go to b 9 but not yet tried
im not sure how 'long' long term fuel trims are measured over, as i said its only been on a couple of days so to early to judge
Andy @ ITG noticed the dbilas did not have the correct size MAF so hopefully if all is well with the rest of the car then I should notice these drop over the next few weeks, finger crossed
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thats interesting. thats something i might have to log when i next get to have a blast on VCDS.
re-reading stevePs first post. he has a value of 1.8% for his fuel trim.
Thanks for the link. Interesting read. im going to have adlve through that site. been tempted with VCDS for a long time
Its deffinately worth the investment mate. Its the best purchase i ever made whilst owning VAG cars.
I noticed Steve's LTFT's were at 1.8% which is very reasonable as factory limits are within +/-12%. My Dbilas with and incorrect size maf housing (before i modified it) showed only slightly higher fuel trims than what i am seeing now with the ITG.
does this mean that ideally you require the remap to be tweaked to make the most of the extra incoming air
On the Revo code you may be advised to lower the fuel setting to compensate for the increased airflow from the ITG, however the ecu is very clever and will adjust certain perameters appropiately to a certain extent.
im not sure how 'long' long term fuel trims are measured over, as i said its only been on a couple of days so to early to judge
im currently at 6.3% - only had it on since friday though
The ecu is continuously making adjustments therefore your fuel trims may change regularly. Having said that after a couple of days your car should have adapted and the fuel trims should settle round about there.
Funny that your seeing pretty much identical LTFT's to me though James which i personally feel are a little high for a properly scaled maf housing. Would be interesting to see what readings other people are getting.
With this aside, i am more than happy with the ITG and certainly wouldn't opt for any other cai given the opportunity agen :smiley:
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does this mean that ideally you require the remap to be tweaked to make the most of the extra incoming air
On the Revo code you may be advised to lower the fuel setting to compensate for the increased airflow from the ITG, however the ecu is very clever and will adjust certain perameters appropiately to a certain extent.
....I was advised to lower my Boost setting (not my Fuel setting) on Revo2 (oem fuel pump) to accommodate increased air input so that the ECU wouldn't action protective fuel cuts.
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thats interesting. thats something i might have to log when i next get to have a blast on VCDS.
re-reading stevePs first post. he has a value of 1.8% for his fuel trim.
Thanks for the link. Interesting read. im going to have adlve through that site. been tempted with VCDS for a long time
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Its deffinately worth the investment mate. Its the best purchase i ever made whilst owning VAG cars.
I noticed Steve's LTFT's were at 1.8% which is very reasonable as factory limits are within +/-12%. My Dbilas with and incorrect size maf housing (before i modified it) showed only slightly higher fuel trims than what i am seeing now with the ITG.
On the Revo code you may be advised to lower the fuel setting to compensate for the increased airflow from the ITG, however the ecu is very clever and will adjust certain perameters appropiately to a certain extent.
The ecu is continuously making adjustments therefore your fuel trims may change regularly. Having said that after a couple of days your car should have adapted and the fuel trims should settle round about there.
Funny that your seeing pretty much identical LTFT's to me though James which i personally feel are a little high for a properly scaled maf housing. Would be interesting to see what readings other people are getting.
With this aside, i am more than happy with the ITG and certainly wouldn't opt for any other cai given the opportunity agen :smiley:
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Having got the dbilas, I'm more than curious on how you modified your MAF housing, having blown the years budget on handling mods, I can't afford a new CAI until February at the earliest...
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does this mean that ideally you require the remap to be tweaked to make the most of the extra incoming air
On the Revo code you may be advised to lower the fuel setting to compensate for the increased airflow from the ITG, however the ecu is very clever and will adjust certain perameters appropiately to a certain extent.
....I was advised to lower my Boost setting (not my Fuel setting) on Revo2 (oem fuel pump) to accommodate increased air input so that the ECU wouldn't action protective fuel cuts.
Lowering the boost setting instead of richening the a/f ratio would make sense on a car with a standard HPFP as your restrited by the amount of fuel pressure that can be delivered. But i was refering to a KO4 Stage 2+ map where an uprated HPFP is required hence the ability to lower the fuel setting to cater for the amount of added air being delivered. On a KO4 Revo Stage 1 car (standard HPFP) with boost set above 6, the likelihood of experiencing a fuel cut is reasonably high therefore with boost set above 6 i personally wouldn't advise fitting a cai anyway, but thats just my opinion.
Anyway...... back on topic :smiley:
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Having got the dbilas, I'm more than curious on how you modified your MAF housing, having blown the years budget on handling mods, I can't afford a new CAI until February at the earliest...
I just made a 4 inch long 67mm id sleeve which i inserted inside the maf section and machined a spacer to centalise the maf sensor in the housing. The fuel trims were pretty much bang on then.
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went out for a good long drive today and checked the long term fuel trims after a few hours and they have dropped to 3.9%
so it is certainly improving over the 6.8% it was the other day just after fitting
still very pleased with it, turbo seems to spool up quicker, noise is v nice and when crusing on the motorway in 6th the car feels like its got so much power no need to downshift it just pulls from 70 to ??? so quickly - this has been the most noticeable difference when compared to the dbilas - much more top end power :happy2:
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Fuel trims are better but still a little out. Did you get chance to do any airflow logs mate? As you say it certainly makes the car feel a lot more eager, especially at top end. They do sound awesome though don't they!
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just read a thread on SCN about the mpg going down after fitting the ITG, quite a few guys reckon theirs has. I reckon mine has gone down a fair amount as well since fitting. Id say its down about 2-3mpg.
anyone else noticed this?
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It makes sense that the MPG would go down. I have also noticed a 1-2 mpg drop with my cai.
An upgraded CAI will allow more air to get into the engine. To maintain the specified AFR the injectors will need to inject more fuel into the cylinder and hence cause a decrease in mpg.
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denser air due to the heat shield enclosure, my filter is always cold to the touch after a journey.
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denser air due to the heat shield enclosure, my filter is always cold to the touch after a journey.
Almost :xmassmiley:
The oxygen content is what is important and is what the engine needs to combust. Colder air means the the oxygen particles are squeezed closer together and therefore you have more of them.
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thats what i meant by denser air. if its cooler its denser
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Are you guys sure it's not just the cold weather we are experiencing as my mpg always drops in winter vs summer?
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Are you guys sure it's not just the cold weather we are experiencing as my mpg always drops in winter vs summer?
Exactly, mine didn't really change when I first had the ITG fitted (late summer) but has dropped off a little with the colder weather :santa:
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im sure that has had a difference on it, but it has been down since fitting it a few months back. it wasnt that cold then either
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Ive noticed my 90 degree bend looks a little 'crushed' The bend going from the back of the engine and down the side.
Any one else? Also my heat shield is always squewiff when I open the bonnet... :(
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give it a little twist mike, dont forget we fitted it in the dark with a mag light so it xocould be sqew wiff. it shouldnt be, have good xmas leave, never saw you before we left.
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my only overriding issue with this is the fact its an oiled filter. Im not wishing to drag your review off topic but its the only thing that puts me off this. Im just not a great fan of this type, and feel compelled to agree with TT thoughts on this subject :surprised:
(not sure its gonna put me off buying one though :signLOL:)
Cheers John_o :happy2:
The Dyno operator saw the power tailing off past 5.5k on the OEM airbox so that's why he didn't push it any further.
I never really like the idea of an oiled panel filter (partly because of T_T's comments) but after having the reasons for the oil explained in great detail by Andy @ ITG, plus seeing the inside of the original filter cone I ran for nearly 10k miles, was spotless inside the ali spinning, I can say now say I have no issues with the oiled filter.
http://www.knfilters.com/MAF/massair.htm
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give it a little twist mike, dont forget we fitted it in the dark with a mag light so it xocould be sqew wiff. it shouldnt be, have good xmas leave, never saw you before we left.
:happy2: you got no kink then. Have a good un man :drinking:
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Ive noticed my 90 degree bend looks a little 'crushed' The bend going from the back of the engine and down the side.
Any one else? Also my heat shield is always squewiff when I open the bonnet... :(
sounds like you have not installed it properly - the heat shield should be screwed into place using the oem rubber bungs and bolts which are attached to the bottom of the oem engine cover, you just take them off the engine cover and fit them on to the ITG heat shield then bolt in to place - it is very secure once installed properly
I had lost one of the rubber bungs but managed to get them from vw parts dept - £2 for two
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Excuse me for digging up an old post. I'm looking at purchasing this induction kit, but have been recommended that i also get a remap done at the same time, otherwise the car may return error codes? Is this true?
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Excuse me for digging up an old post.
....No excuse needed for revitalising an old thread: Reviews are ongoing :happy2:
I don't know the answer to your question though.
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You don't need a remap. You won't get an error.
I do however recommend one ;)
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Does anyone know how much the filter spray is for the ITG? Im going to clean mine this week along with checking the condition of my MAF as I just logged a fairly low 245 max g/s
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Thanks for the replies guys, didnt want to go ahead and buy one and fit it, just to have to take it off again because of error codes etc. I've come from a Honda and had an ITG fitted and got good gains. I'm definetly going to get a remap at a later date, but for now I presume the stock ECU will adjust to the extra air flow in time?
Thanks Again :happy2:
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Does anyone know how much the filter spray is for the ITG? Im going to clean mine this week along with checking the condition of my MAF as I just logged a fairly low 245 max g/s
http://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/ITG-AIR-FILTERS-ITG-Accessories-Dust-Retention-Spray-&-Cleaner/c432_436_444/index.html :happy2:
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False..
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Finally have this fitted after a lot of :fighting2: is it normal for it to start sucking up air as soon as you apply gas and as soon as you let go it makes a hiss sound. Almost like a blow off valve?
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yes :happy2:
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Finally have this fitted after a lot of :fighting2: is it normal for it to start sucking up air as soon as you apply gas and as soon as you let go it makes a hiss sound. Almost like a blow off valve?
should sound like you just fitted:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.brianstoys.com%2Fstore%2Fimages%2Fproducts%2FStar%2520Wars%2FMasterReplica%2FAccessories%2FMasterReplica_DarthVaderHelmet.jpg&hash=69398c8cf3b348e0e56125b932a03230d028607c)
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Finally have this fitted after a lot of :fighting2: is it normal for it to start sucking up air as soon as you apply gas and as soon as you let go it makes a hiss sound. Almost like a blow off valve?
should sound like you just fitted:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.brianstoys.com%2Fstore%2Fimages%2Fproducts%2FStar%2520Wars%2FMasterReplica%2FAccessories%2FMasterReplica_DarthVaderHelmet.jpg&hash=69398c8cf3b348e0e56125b932a03230d028607c)
:signLOL: Sure does, now what can i have to get the lightsaber effect, sound.... :confused:
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Just got mine took off the k1 as im selling the car! It just isnt the same with the blueflame and itg off! Souds so good!!! I really miss it :( lol
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Just one further question ... does fitting this mean I need to leave my engine cover off? Trying to keep it looking stock to stop the ball-and-chain realising! :evilgrin:
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Just one further question ... does fitting this mean I need to leave my engine cover off? Trying to keep it looking stock to stop the ball-and-chain realising! :evilgrin:
Yes, you have to lose or cut to modify the engine cover for it to fit. :smiley:
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Sorry for digging up a really old thread!
Thinking about getting one of these soon for my GTI, how is everyone getting on with them now they've had them on their cars a while?
Also any videos of sound?
Thanks a lot! Also cheers for the original review SteveP, very helpful :happy2:
Jon
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I was initially worried about the noise levels, especially for a man of my years...
So far, I still quite like the 80's rally car flutters you get... It makes a nice change to the big puutshhh from other things..
Noise when on the motorway is really noticeable, jousts blends in to the road noise and a little volume from the wireless helps hide it..
If you notice the speed at which they go when advertised in the For Sale section, then you can always move it on if you can't live with it..
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Aren't the flutterrs a stalling turbine?
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Sorry for digging up a really old thread!
Thinking about getting one of these soon for my GTI, how is everyone getting on with them now they've had them on their cars a while?
Also any videos of sound?
Thanks a lot! Also cheers for the original review SteveP, very helpful :happy2:
Jon
Iv'e had my ITG on for around a year or so and I still love it. For me it sounds really great , especially when getting the power down and the gains are fantastic. On my KO4 I made an extra 16bhp over my standard oem intake.
I would highly recommend one for sure :happy2:
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Thanks for the replies guys :happy2:
Helped me a lot in deciding what to do!
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Got the ITG in my R and absolutely love it!
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Best amount I spend swear by these and the noise is just :drool:
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Best sounding intake by far :smiley:
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Can someone tells me the difference please :
http://fr-rtuning-shop.co.uk/index.php?_a=product&product_id=3862
http://www.awesomegti.com/itg-maxogen-vw-golf-gti-mk-v-maxogen-induction-kit-ko4
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I've got the ITG Maxogen on my Edition 30 can't fault it, best sounding intake IMO. :happy2:
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Can someone tells me the difference please :
http://fr-rtuning-shop.co.uk/index.php?_a=product&product_id=3862
http://www.awesomegti.com/itg-maxogen-vw-golf-gti-mk-v-maxogen-induction-kit-ko4
The first link is the AS CAI with a ITG G60 filter on it
The second Kit is the ITG everyone here is talking about. The ITG uses the daddy filter but AS kit is very nice too, I had bits and bobs fitted to my RS and it was quality gear.
Has anyone's ITG filter started to un peel ? Mine has started to slightly come away at the edges but I've repaired it now - this is however the second one that it has happened to - I also cleaned it and re oiled last weekend The drying time was mental it took a week ! - so a heads up if anyone thinks they will be driving there car within 24 hours
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Yep the as stuff is good also ran it on my rs mske some top parts for fords!
Itg is great though mine is working well with over 500hp
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Mine should arrive next week. Can't wait :)
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Anyone can talk me about ITG vs VWR please ?
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I think VWR just rebrand stuff as there own
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How often the filter should be cleaned if running in normal conditions? Local importer told me to wash it with gasoline, sounds odd but if the importer says so..
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How often the filter should be cleaned if running in normal conditions? Local importer told me to wash it with gasoline, sounds odd but if the importer says so..
I cleaned mine once a year and that might be overkill, it wasnt that dirty. I used the biltema's foam filter cleaning liquid, worked well.
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