MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: ollie288 on December 14, 2009, 05:54:10 pm
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I have finally found a set of wheels I want! :pomppomp: Problem is they are available in both 18" and 19" fitments. I cant decide which size would be better!
The car is used everyday and will be lowered.
Will the 19" be too big and cause me problems? Rubbing, harsh ride etc?
What would people recommend?
Cheers
ollie :xmassmiley: :happy2:
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I think the style of the wheel is important when considering 18' or 19'. Some wheels only look good in a bigger fitment where as others suit various sizes. What wheels you looking at?
You will only get rubbing if the offset or width of the wheel is incorrect so, as a rule of the thumb the MKV platform is ideally suited for offsets between ET42 - ET50 and wheels widths between 7.5-8.5' whether lowered or not. If the wheel you are looking at is within this ranges you should not have any problems with rubbing as long as you don't lower it too much.
I have just recently changed from a 19' wheel to and 18' and the difference is substanial, the ride is a lot smoother and the car seems to handle better also :happy2:
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Ollie which rims are these? :laugh:
I know that VWR tend to stick with the 18" on their tracks cars - probably due to handling etc.
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The wheels are the audi splits. I think they are s-line ones.
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I think the style of the wheel is important when considering 18' or 19'. Some wheels only look good in a bigger fitment where as others suit various sizes. What wheels you looking at?
You will only get rubbing if the offset or width of the wheel is incorrect so, as a rule of the thumb the MKV platform is ideally suited for offsets between ET42 - ET50 and wheels widths between 7.5-8.5' whether lowered or not. If the wheel you are looking at is within this ranges you should not have any problems with rubbing as long as you don't lower it too much.
I have just recently changed from a 19' wheel to and 18' and the difference is substanial, the ride is a lot smoother and the car seems to handle better also :happy2:
I think this is an example of the wheels looking better in bigger fitments. The 19 are 8.5 and I think the et is 48. I wont be going to low as it is driven daily but I want it to look right.
Is the ride really rough on 19? Im also worried that they may make the car look like it is on stilts?
Also you have the difference in tyre prices. Does anyone have a rough idea of difference?
Cheers :happy2:
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If anyone has any pics in 18" and 19" on a mk5 feel free to post them! :happy2:
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Which Audi split rims are you referring to?
These are 19's (R32UK's old Car)
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i ve gone from oem s3 alloys(7.5 x 18 ) to rs 4 (8x19 ) and tbh the drive has nt changed , i went for 225 tyres cause if i lower it later it wont rub BUT personally i think 235 tyres would had been better on the 8" rim
my 225/35/19 falkan fk452 cost just under £100 a corner and they have lots of good reviews
if your rims are 8.5 wide dont go any less than 235 all imo :santa:
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Which Audi split rims are you referring to?
These are 19's (R32UK's old Car)
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Yep those ones! Cheers :happy2:
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i ve gone from oem s3 alloys(7.5 x 18 ) to rs 4 (8x19 ) and tbh the drive has nt changed , i went for 225 tyres cause if i lower it later it wont rub BUT personally i think 235 tyres would had been better on the 8" rim
my 225/35/19 falkan fk452 cost just under £100 a corner and they have lots of good reviews
if your rims are 8.5 wide dont go any less than 235 all imo :santa:
So the ride quality has not changed! hmmm interesting.....
So there are not real downsides. Tyres dont seem much more than 18" plus I can get trade discount due knowing somebody! :wink:
Cheers :happy2:
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Has anyone seen a pic of a mk5 with the 18" version of these wheels so I can compare? Im edging towards the 19"! :happy2:
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i ve gone from oem s3 alloys(7.5 x 18 ) to rs 4 (8x19 ) and tbh the drive has nt changed , i went for 225 tyres cause if i lower it later it wont rub BUT personally i think 235 tyres would had been better on the 8" rim
my 225/35/19 falkan fk452 cost just under £100 a corner and they have lots of good reviews
if your rims are 8.5 wide dont go any less than 235 all imo :santa:
So the ride quality has not changed! hmmm interesting.....
So there are not real downsides. Tyres dont seem much more than 18" plus I can get trade discount due knowing somebody! :wink:
Cheers :happy2:
They probalby weigh a bit more? I noticed a fair difference between my 17's and new BBS 18's, imo it definitely isnt quite as light on its feet in the corners etc...
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This is kind of the stance I would go for. Do you think that there would be any rubbing around this height?
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Does anyone know how much lower a R32 is compared to a normal golf? That R32 has been lowered 25mm. Would that be 40mm on a normal golf? :happy2:
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i ve gone from oem s3 alloys(7.5 x 18 ) to rs 4 (8x19 ) and tbh the drive has nt changed , i went for 225 tyres cause if i lower it later it wont rub BUT personally i think 235 tyres would had been better on the 8" rim
my 225/35/19 falkan fk452 cost just under £100 a corner and they have lots of good reviews
if your rims are 8.5 wide dont go any less than 235 all imo :santa:
So the ride quality has not changed! hmmm interesting.....
So there are not real downsides. Tyres dont seem much more than 18" plus I can get trade discount due knowing somebody! :wink:
Cheers :happy2:
They probalby weigh a bit more? I noticed a fair difference between my 17's and new BBS 18's, imo it definitely isnt quite as light on its feet in the corners etc...
I never thought about the weight!
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I think this is an example of the wheels looking better in bigger fitments. The 19 are 8.5 and I think the et is 48. I wont be going to low as it is driven daily but I want it to look right.
Hi Ollie first off what car do have (sorry if i have missed it) 19 8.5j offset 48 gives you about 15.5 mil further poke than stock.
If you want to go as low as the R 32 above then you will get a fair bit of rubbing going round bends fast. Which is why i asked what car you have. You would be ok in most circumstances, just when pushing on you will get some rubbage.
If you just want to give it the occasional blast then i would go for 225 tyres on the 8.5. this will give you a few mil more extra clearance. This however is the limit in my opinion, 215's would make the handling poor and i have seen them pulled off the rim when driving fast.
I personally would go for 18in wheels. The tyres are a lot cheaper and if you get the ride height correct they will still look just as good. :happy2:
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I think this is an example of the wheels looking better in bigger fitments. The 19 are 8.5 and I think the et is 48. I wont be going to low as it is driven daily but I want it to look right.
Hi Ollie first off what car do have (sorry if i have missed it) 19 8.5j offset 48 gives you about 15.5 mil further poke than stock.
If you want to go as low as the R 32 above then you will get a fair bit of rubbing going round bends fast. Which is why i asked what car you have. You would be ok in most circumstances, just when pushing on you will get some rubbage.
If you just want to give it the occasional blast then i would go for 225 tyres on the 8.5. this will give you a few mil more extra clearance. This however is the limit in my opinion, 215's would make the handling poor and i have seen them pulled off the rim when driving fast.
I personally would go for 18in wheels. The tyres are a lot cheaper and if you get the ride height correct they will still look just as good. :happy2:
Hi TC,
I have a 1.6 FSI (due to insurance and my age! :sad1:)
The R32 was taken from edition 38 and the owner says he doesn't experience rubbing! He obviously can drive alot harder than me!
That is the tyre I am thinking. A 225/35/19.
Now I am surprised you have said 18"! You have 19" wheels dont you. Do you find them harsh or much different to your stock 18"?
I have been searching for a mk5 on the 18" version of this wheel but have not had any luck! I wanted to compare the looks!
I think they look the bees knees in 19s but havent really seen the 18s!
The specs for the 18s are: 7.5 and et 54.
Cheers :happy2:
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When i went from the 18in monza with michelin exalto's, to 19in works with michelin PS2's they ride comfort hardly changed and the road noise was less, but the wheels were lighter and as i say the tyres were better.
To be honest with your car your not likely to be driving to fast round bends so i wouldnt worry about rubbing to much with the 19 in spec.
But if you are going to do a proper job on the ride height then 18's will look just as good. Check out a couple of Jonny's set ups. he has always got it looking great on 18's. :happy2:
With the 18in spec you could go seriously low and not rub, but to get the full great stance you will need some spacers with that offset in my opinion. :happy2:
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When i went from the 18in monza with michelin exalto's, to 19in works with michelin PS2's they ride comfort hardly changed and the road noise was less, but the wheels were lighter and as i say the tyres were better.
To be honest with your car your not likely to be driving to fast round bends so i wouldnt worry about rubbing to much with the 19 in spec.
But if you are going to do a proper job on the ride height then 18's will look just as good. Check out a couple of Jonny's set ups. he has always got it looking great on 18's. :happy2:
With the 18in spec you could go seriously low and not rub, but to get the full great stance you will need some spacers with that offset in my opinion. :happy2:
I do occasionally like to drive my car properly (when conditions are correct and safe not all the time when driving to tescos like alot of idiots my age! :rolleye:). There is a great road near me with great twisties! Obviously I may not be able to go as hard as a GTI or R32. The current tyres I have on there are midline ones £75 for two (trade price). I put them on to bridge the gap for my new wheels as the originals were getting low on tread. These are very poor and I dont have alot of confidence with them. They always feel as if they are about to let go. I dont know wether it is because they are a 65 side wall and they flex or wether they are just crap tyres! I am hoping to remove this with my new wheels and tyres.
I am going to get Fk sliverline coilovers so the ride height will be dealt with!
I am starting to see what you mean. Alot of people who have 19s say they cannot get properly low. I know about the spacers what would you recommend?
Cheers TC :happy2:
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Also what size tyre would you recommend for the 18" 7.5 et 54?
Cheers :happy2:
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There is no difference with how low you can between a 18 and 19in wheel. the only difference is the size of the tyres side wall, obviously to keep your speedo reading correctly you have to have a smaller side wall on the 19in.
If the wheels were the same width and offset then its purely down to tyre choice.
Quality 19 tyres at 8.5 are really expensive. :booty:
As i said you have the coils so i would go 18in wheels with hubcentric spacers, you might need 15 mil though to fill the arches, and a few people think this is a bit naughty. But i dont know anything about spacers to be honest.
And you normally only get people posting up saying beware of spacers look what has happened. :driver:
Also what size tyre would you recommend for the 18" 7.5 et 54?
Cheers :happy2:
i think but i am not sure, 215's 40 should be ok with 7.5. 225 will definitely fit fine but for the looks you would maybe want a tight fit within the safety limits of course. :happy2:
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The cost of the tyres will not be too much of a problem as I can get a discount.
Thanks TC you have gave me something to think about!
I do like the slightly stretched look nothing major! A 215 should give me that and still be safe?
Thanks again top cat! :drinking:
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The cost of the tyres will not be too much of a problem as I can get a discount.
Thanks TC you have gave me something to think about!
I do like the slightly stretched look nothing major! A 215 should give me that and still be safe?
Thanks again top cat! :drinking:
No worries. :happy2: just take your time researching all options. Its not as straight forward as people think, get wheels and slam it. :fighting:
There is a lot of factors to consider when lowering the suspension. trust me i learn t the hard way. :sad1:
Tony Danza, Jonny C and Gazbut S3 have plenty of experience in correct set up, PM them your ideas and for sure they will help. :happy2:
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How do you mean? Do you mean things like getting it fully tracked after lowering and stuff like?
I will defiantly run it by someone before going ahead!
Cheers! :santa: :happy2:
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How do you mean? Do you mean things like getting it fully tracked after lowering and stuff like?
I will defiantly run it by someone before going ahead!
Cheers! :santa: :happy2:
I meant. find a picture of how you want your stance first, then let this decision dictate whether you can go for the 18's or 19's then choose the correct tyre to achieve the height and look you want.
Weigh up all problems, Can i get on my drive with ride height, will it rub when driving fast, can i put up with a harsh ride all the time. All the usual stuff that most people deal with once they have the problem, rather than before it arrives. :happy2: :rolleye:
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How do you mean? Do you mean things like getting it fully tracked after lowering and stuff like?
I will defiantly run it by someone before going ahead!
Cheers! :santa: :happy2:
I meant. find a picture of how you want your stance first, then let this decision dictate whether you can go for the 18's or 19's then choose the correct tyre to achieve the height and look you want.
Weigh up all problems, Can i get on my drive with ride height, will it rub when driving fast, can i put up with a harsh ride all the time. All the usual stuff that most people deal with once they have the problem, rather than before it arrives. :happy2: :rolleye:
Ahhh I get you now! You mean be sensible and research before jumping in with two feet and suffering afterwards! Wise words. I have been researching a fair bit but you read one thing and then two mins later you read another which totally contradicts the first thing you read!
I better get on it! :innocent:
Cheers mate :happy2:
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Ollie you've seen my car before so ill show you again :grin: :grin: :grin:
I have 18" alloys and had 215/35/18 with FK highsport silverlines, im no stance expert so really will leave the science to someone else.
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This is as far has I dare go without scrapping the subframe every ware but it never rubbed even with a full load it was 4 wheel alligned but the tyres where not the best, next year ill be going for the toyo proxes again or maybe eagle f1's??
Darren
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Cheers Darren, yep I want to go to a similar height as yours! :party:
Michal of VW votex has just emailed me ill PM you what he said! :happy2:
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Just bought the 18"! :pomppomp: :party:
They have 235/40 tyres on them. Any idea who would want these? A company or person or anything?
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get them off and on the classifieds some of the lads who do track days will have them from you.
Darren
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on an 18 inch wheel you want 225/40/18 that s if the rims are 7-8.5 "wide , you dont want 35 profile on 18 "
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get them off and on the classifieds some of the lads who do track days will have them from you.
Darren
Will do! :driver: :happy2:
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on an 18 inch wheel you want 225/40/18 that s if the rims are 7-8.5 "wide , you dont want 35 profile on 18 "
The width is 7.5. Do you think a 215/40/18 would be ok on this. I want a slightly stretched look but I obviously want them to be safe!
Cheers
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they should be ok , 225 better :smiley:
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That tyre size probably wont even look stretched on a 7.5" rim, the 225 f1s overlap a fair bit giving a decent amount of rim protection on a 7.5" rim. I certainly cant see any safety issues running 10mm less width :happy2:
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Typically a +/- 10 mm is the absolute maximum difference you should have...
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Got the wheels today! :xmaspresent: :pomppomp:
Just spent the last couple of hours cleaning them! Put three coats of rim wax on the lip, face, behind the face, the barrel and the rear lip!! :rolleye:
Really please with the results! Its nice to know there is not a spec of dirt on them and they are protected for the winter! :jumping:
Also changed the centre caps as I'm not a fan of having a different manufactures badges on cars!
Will hopefully be getting tyres on tomorrow if I can decide which ones to go for! :signLOL:
Here are the pics! (off my iPhone :sad1:) :jumping: :pomppomp:
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and yes that is my kitchen I am cleaning wheels in! :stupid: :signLOL:
My old dear wasn't best pleased when she got back! :signLOL:
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Does anyone know the hub measurement of the golf and these audi wheels? Will they be the same? Also will the normal bolts be ok to use? Cheers :happy2:
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By hub what do you mean?
The PCD (pitch Circle Diameter) should be 5x112. The VW hub center bore diameter is 57.1mm. (where the wheels sit on the hub.)
HTH
Dave
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Yeah i meant the hub centre bore diameter. :ashamed: Do you know if these audi wheels are the same? I was told they should be. Would it be easier to go and try one on?
Cheers Dave :happy2:
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Pretty sure it will be the same. I have some S3 hubs in the garage and they are the same as my Ed30 hubs.
Get the pics up sharpish too!
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Getting the tyres fitted monday! :party: :pomppomp:
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They look really nice them matey, they really suit the MKV, once it's dropped it will look the bollocks! :drool: :drool: :drool:
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Nice looking wheels you have there dude, look forward to seeing the pics of them fitted. early crimbo prezzie :xmaspresent:
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:happy2: well nice mate
Darren
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They look great. :happy2:
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Thanks fellas :smiley:
Had all the wheels off today and cleaned all under the arches and brakes etc. Also Tried one of the wheels on to check the hub diameter was correct. It is as there was no movement!
Here is pics of the trial fit:
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The brakes now look tiny behind the wheels!!
Any idea how I can remove that line of gunk? My guess is I wont and it would need spraying?
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Also how to go about spraying the calipers?
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Cheers :happy2:
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wheels look great and will look great fitted with tyres, but......... you really don't want to be working on your car while its jacked up with the supplied jack, they really are very flimsy and not very safe, at least get yourself some axle stands and put them under :happy2:
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wheels look great and will look great fitted with tyres, but......... you really don't want to be working on your car while its jacked up with the supplied jack, they really are very flimsy and not very safe, at least get yourself some axle stands and put them under :happy2:
Thanks mate. :happy2:
I will bear that in mind next time mate. I was a bit cautious about it as it didnt look the best! :scared: