Help Me choose suspension - Tein Euro or Cross competition.

[poko]

hi all,
my first post here , :)

I am just starting to build my car (Seat Cupra, but same chassis as mk5) and I am extremely unfocused in what direction to go with my coilovers.

that's the car :


The car, although is a daily driver is really a "toy" and is meant to be in the end very dynamic and sporty.

It is not the main car we use for long drives, so it will be work-home and some fun driving.

Most of the time the car is driven on the street, with 10-15 times a year on the track (very technical one).

Road quality here in Israel is very poor, many speed bumps and potholes.

I have sampled several mk5's with different suspension setups and really disliked all of them

I have driven two pss9 / pss10 cars and I honestly think this is one of the most overrated coils on the market. It is very stiff as a daily drive coil but once you start to demand, you get very little for that stiffness and it is really not that good.

Several KW v1 and v2 cars I have ridden on are really OK, but nothing more than that. Nice (not excellent) road manners with OK hard driving.

So basically I've narrowed down my options to the two best in the extremes:

1) Tein Euro -
The tein Euro is the "smart" version of the koni FSD with electronic valve system. Basically it is soft until you start to drive hard and then it tightens.

Another Huge advantage is the EDFC system that allows me to control the suspension from inside the car and go in seconds from aggressive mode to cruising modes.

The problem is that even aggressive mode is not that aggressive, with spring rates of 5 front and 4 back, it is really not a track coil.

I have not driven this set and most information is from WhiteJames review.




2) Cross Competition (Jic) –
This set is real sportive and track oriented with many unique features. This is really a no compromise coil.

The problem is that with spring rates of 9 front and 6 back and being track oriented I am really afraid that it will be undrivable on our streets, especially with the 27mm bars I am using.

again i have not driven those,  and i go by DanGsr review.




Please help me, tell me your opinion or other suggestions.

[Andy]

welcome to the forum-a lot of members on here view the kw v3 to be good,some one on here will give you better information than me

[Tfsi_Mike]

welcome to the forum-a lot of members on here view the kw v3 to be good,some one on here will give you better information than me

I use V3s  Find them very stiff for day driving but for me it is bearable.  They are very adjustable.  KW can give researched settings for many tracks workdwideor advise on settings over the phone  

Very nice leon by the way!!

[poko]

for me the kw V3 is not a good option.

i like to drive hard, track etc but i have little time to fiddling with the car myself.

setting up the suspension is even more important than which one you get and with the 1 million settings on the v3 i honestly think i will never get the suspension sorted up right.

i preffer an "easier" setup or the real charmer like the the case of the TEIN , the ability to dial suspension settings from inside the car.

[poko]

welcome to the forum-a lot of members on here view the kw v3 to be good,some one on here will give you better information than me

I use V3s  Find them very stiff for day driving but for me it is bearable.  They are very adjustable.  KW can give researched settings for many tracks workdwideor advise on settings over the phone  

Very nice leon by the way!!

how hard was it for you to set up the v3 ? did you reach a real fine tune with those ?


btw... in Uk forums you like to complain on your B roads , come drive in ours :)

about the car, its just starting out , big plans to come.

[poko]

i forgot to mention important things, which are the other suspension mods.

on the way i have :
1) Peloquin Diff
2) front and rear APR 27mm anti roll bars
3) BSH engine mount

so the APR's are going to stiffen the car quite alot  , i am really afraid that Cross / V3 will make it undrivable.

[MAT ED30]

i run kw v3 and you can have them setup however u want them to handle as i had mine setup by vw racing on the scales and they are perfect for both track and everyday driving 20k plus a year and thats with my 2 year old and the wife in the car.

[Janner_Sy]

if thats the case then why not go for the KW V1 or bilstein B14s. they are set on the best all round setting before hand by the kw factory and are non adjustable.

i was under the impression that the bisteins were alot stiffer than the KWs ride wise. Also the non adjustable bilsteins were also designed around the nurburgring which is a very undulating and bumpy track.

i think if you are interested in the best spring rates etc or damping rates you might be better off waiting for jonnyc to come along. thats his bread and butter, he should be able to point you in the right direction. if i remember correctly he had an individual speced coilover setup from AST previously, with his own specified spring rates and damping rates

[poko]

the problem is with v3 that no one in israel specializes in coils , i will have to rely on kw phone support and that's not the best way to set up suspension.

as for v1 or b14 - they are not serious coils, they are factory upgrade option if you want mild improvment over stock handling. i've ridden v1's and they are nice and soft on the road , but you can't demand a lot out of them.

as for bilstein's , i don't know why , but i was horribly dissappointed from the pss9/10. harsh ride with no return for that in handling. for example i rode a car with Koni coils which are cheaper and softer and i can honestly say that they were as good as the bilsteins in handling while being much softer.

[tony_danza]

If you think Bilsteins are harsh, then you've obviously been in a poorly set up car. They're the easiest to adjust and on par with race suspension. High end KW's likewise, but a pain to tweak.

I don't have Bilsteins BTW, so I'm not playing fanboy.

You want suspension you can use on a race track, buy race suspension. Bilstein will provide you with optimised settings for road and track for you and your car and it's as easy as turning a dial.

Oh, loving the matt vinyl 

[poko]

its not vinyl its painted matt black
Now being repainted at 200 miles on the clock in lambo nero nemesis
Specialist flying from germany monday to do it

[tony_danza]

 

[prepree]

Poko- havent you gone Big Turbo with your car? I seem to recognise it from another forum?

Welcomes any how!!

Plenty of gurus to take advise from over here!!

What about the club sports that TC has?

[Janner_Sy]

what colour is that -lambo nero nemesis- any links.

[Hurdy]

Hi Poko,

I have the Bilsteins and have had Eibach's (basically KW V1) beforehand. The Bilsteins are excellent on my set-up, so can only summise that the car you had a go in must have had some other issues. The Billies are also in a completely different league to the Eibach's.