Drop in rods for the ED30 / S3 / Cupra

[Janner_Sy]

@ danishmkvgti
sh*t the bed, imagine seeing that bad boy come out your engine, you must have sh!t a brick


how would you know if you had bent something like a rod. obviously if it wa sproper bent you'd here the engine going apesh*t, but what about a sdlight kink in the rod like danGBs rod.

are S3 rods and pistons a straight fit into a BWA engine?, or are you taalking piston rings, seals bearings and more?

[jonnyc]

Cheers Johnny do you know if the Cupra has the same part number also

I dont know for sure but I would imagine yes.. 

are S3 rods and pistons a straight fit into a BWA engine?, or are you taalking piston rings, seals bearings and more?

I would say so, 82.5MM bore in all of the 2.0T FSI motors so dont see any reason why not..

I have a set of 4 rods and 3 pistons from my S3.. All you would need is a piston and you have a full set if your interested?

[danishmkvgti]

@ danishmkvgti
sh*t the bed, imagine seeing that bad boy come out your engine, you must have sh!t a brick


how would you know if you had bent something like a rod. obviously if it wa sproper bent you'd here the engine going apesh*t, but what about a sdlight kink in the rod like danGBs rod.

are S3 rods and pistons a straight fit into a BWA engine?, or are you taalking piston rings, seals bearings and more?

Just to clarify, this is from an austrians tread on a german forum. i luckily haven't experienced this 

[Janner_Sy]

I dont know for sure but I would imagine yes..  

are S3 rods and pistons a straight fit into a BWA engine?, or are you taalking piston rings, seals bearings and more?

I would say so, 82.5MM bore in all of the 2.0T FSI motors so dont see any reason why not..
I have a set of 4 rods and 3 pistons from my S3.. All you would need is a piston and you have a full set if your interested?

are the S3 pistons capable of supporting a GT2871 or anything bigger. ive made the decision to upgrade to a k04 sized willy, so should i feel its not upto the task anymore and want to go BT, will they cope or would they need uprating again?

would that mean i have changed the compression ratio to from the BWA to that of the S3? what could the benefits be apart from piece of mind

[danishmkvgti]

I dont know for sure but I would imagine yes..  

are S3 rods and pistons a straight fit into a BWA engine?, or are you taalking piston rings, seals bearings and more?

I would say so, 82.5MM bore in all of the 2.0T FSI motors so dont see any reason why not..
I have a set of 4 rods and 3 pistons from my S3.. All you would need is a piston and you have a full set if your interested?

are the S3 pistons capable of supporting a GT2871 or anything bigger. ive made the decision to upgrade to a k04 sized willy, so should i feel its not upto the task anymore and want to go BT, will they cope or would they need uprating again?

would that mean i have changed the compression ratio to from the BWA to that of the S3? what could the benefits be apart from piece of mind

i'm no expert, so jonny and others may be better at helping you, but on your engine you can get app. 390hk with apr stage 3 bt, BUT torque is the same as the K04. Its torque that kills the rods not hp. If i should go BT/above K04, and i don't says the missys that drives it daily, i would deffo get other rods and also pistons as i would want the torque over hp.

[yin]

Cheers Johnny do you know if the Cupra has the same part number also

I dont know for sure but I would imagine yes.. 

06D 198 401 C  is the cupra part number i think

[jonnyc]

are the S3 pistons capable of supporting a GT2871 or anything bigger. ive made the decision to upgrade to a k04 sized willy, so should i feel its not upto the task anymore and want to go BT, will they cope or would they need uprating again?

would that mean i have changed the compression ratio to from the BWA to that of the S3? what could the benefits be apart from piece of mind

Well im running mine on a 3076R at 22psi at the moment.. Thats well over 400hp.. 

[Janner_Sy]

so uprating the pistons and rods, would mean im running the same compression ratio as the S3?...anything else that would be needed for the swap apart from the pistons and rods?

[jonnyc]

so uprating the pistons and rods, would mean im running the same compression ratio as the S3?...anything else that would be needed for the swap apart from the pistons and rods?

Yeah, your compression ratio would drop from 10.25:1 to 9.8:1..

I can't think of anything else, just a head gasket and a couple of seals etc..

[Janner_Sy]

hmm interesting. thats a definate possibility, i know of someone with the top end of an S3 engine incl cams etc that i dont think he has fitted to his K04 vRS, so that and the S3 pistons would mean id practically be running an S3 lump i guess.

I presume require a special revo stage 3 map to take into account the different compression ratio and cams. id be happy to call it a day for the car after all that me thinks, provided i dont get a ride in any BT GTIs or leons

[jonnyc]

hmm interesting. thats a definate possibility, i know of someone with the top end of an S3 engine incl cams etc that i dont think he has fitted to his K04 vRS, so that and the S3 pistons would mean id practically be running an S3 lump i guess.

I presume require a special revo stage 3 map to take into account the different compression ratio and cams. id be happy to call it a day for the car after all that me thinks, provided i dont get a ride in any BT GTIs or leons

Yep..

Obviously the beauty of the Revo map is that you will be able to take advantage of the lower compression by adding some timing.. 

[Janner_Sy]

hmm interesting. thats a definate possibility, i know of someone with the top end of an S3 engine incl cams etc that i dont think he has fitted to his K04 vRS, so that and the S3 pistons would mean id practically be running an S3 lump i guess.
I presume require a special revo stage 3 map to take into account the different compression ratio and cams. id be happy to call it a day for the car after all that me thinks, provided i dont get a ride in any BT GTIs or leons

Yep..
Obviously the beauty of the Revo map is that you will be able to take advantage of the lower compression by adding some timing.. 

Im pretty keen on this now, specially as its definately a safer way to get additional timing on the engine than using water meth injection. lower maintainnece as well

[poko]

As for the issue of drop in rods, there is another option.

I inquired about this issue with Integrated a little while back and since they have no drop in rods they have suggested a set of IE rods + JE pistons.

the cost of this complete set is around the same as the rods you are discussing alone (although i do not know if they are the same strength) and the compression ratio will be 9.5:1 which is almost stock for us k04's and a good mod for the converted k04's.

the pistons are also drop ins since they are 82.5mm , same as stock.

on another issue, i really don't get the Anti approach towards water/meth. it is really a great way to cool down the intake, get more timing and as a benefit it also cleans your valves.

[gillm]

can someone explain "drop in rods" is this the type or make ? surly you will have to have the head off and fit new rings and bearings ? or am i missing something ?

[jonnyc]

can someone explain "drop in rods" is this the type or make ? surly you will have to have the head off and fit new rings and bearings ? or am i missing something ?

'Drop-in' is just the term thats used for a rod / piston that is literally just a bolt on job.. So Integrated Engineering make a drop-in rod for the 200hp TFSI motor which will work with the standard piston..

Yeah head and sump off..