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Offline irish_ram

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Re: Going Stage 2+
« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2016, 12:22:09 pm »
Quote from: r5gtt on October 04, 2016, 02:34:48 pm
Quote from: croak2012 on October 03, 2016, 11:48:44 pm
Quote from: r5gtt on October 03, 2016, 11:42:43 pm
niki says it's good for stage 2+ as I have the R6 ic when we had words last so that's good enough for me.

exactly! and the whole idea of ka04 upgrade is to bring it up to audi s3 spec anyways haha!
lol definitely and anyone who says it's no good should contact Niki at r-tech who will put things right  :signLOL:
I can also say these Chinese copies will easily do the same job as any other fmic although figment is very tedious. Been there done that with my last car and took a whole six hours to do including chopping the cross member and manufacturing your own pipes with odds and ends lots of swearing too  :doh:

Sorry to hijack the thread and I am clueless really on this sort of stuff but would an S3 intercooler be good enough for a K04 Stage 2+ as I have seen they can make around 380bhp.

Only reason I ask is I have a generic map on my ED30 and want to get rid for an R-Tech map so toying with the idea of collecting the Stage 2+ parts and going straight for Stage 2+
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Re: Going Stage 2+
« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2016, 12:44:55 pm »
an s3 intercooler will make upto 380bhp but its the heat recovery that they suffer with a better intercooler will be more consistent over more pulls
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Re: Going Stage 2+
« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2016, 01:19:28 pm »
Quote from: DANBOY66 on October 05, 2016, 12:44:55 pm
an s3 intercooler will make upto 380bhp but its the heat recovery that they suffer with a better intercooler will be more consistent over more pulls

Cheers mate, seems a better intercooler is the way to go
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Re: Going Stage 2+
« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2016, 11:22:06 pm »
Quote from: irish_ram on October 05, 2016, 01:19:28 pm
Quote from: DANBOY66 on October 05, 2016, 12:44:55 pm
an s3 intercooler will make upto 380bhp but its the heat recovery that they suffer with a better intercooler will be more consistent over more pulls

Cheers mate, seems a better intercooler is the way to go
would you want more than 360bhp with a mk5 gti?   well... without spending an absolute fortune to accommodate?...
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Re: Going Stage 2+
« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2016, 05:15:43 am »
Your missing my point

Heat kills power

The s3 intercooler can make the power but when it's starts getting very hot after a bit of abuse the s3 intercooler begins to struggle with the heat

Then the ecu will retard timing making the car slower but still safe to cope with the heat

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Re: Going Stage 2+
« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2016, 11:52:51 am »
On a track day on a summer's day that might be an issue, but in 90% of road driving scenarios, heat soaking an S3 intercooler would take some doing.

Dyno cells don't have anywhere near the amount of cool, fresh air going through the IC as the open road, so I wouldn't always take a dyno operator's word on IATs being too high.  They might well be, during 10 back to back power runs in a tiny little room!

And then of course there is the volume of the thing to fill, which can increase lag a bit.  That's why the S3 intercooler is only marginally bigger than the GTI one.  VAG focused more on improving the core than outright size.

I think ~ £260 for a brand new 6R/S3 intercooler from the dealer is a great upgrade & OEM quality, even on a K04 for stage 2.  Even better if you can find them on ebay for a steal!

Whilst the Peron, Welly boots, APR, Integrated Engineering & Revo ICs of this world have their place.... sometimes they're not necessary for the job in hand  :smiley:
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Re: Going Stage 2+
« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2016, 04:02:17 pm »
Quote from: DANBOY66 on October 06, 2016, 05:15:43 am
Your missing my point

Heat kills power

The s3 intercooler can make the power but when it's starts getting very hot after a bit of abuse the s3 intercooler begins to struggle with the heat

Then the ecu will retard timing making the car slower but still safe to cope with the heat

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Quote from: Pudding on October 06, 2016, 11:52:51 am
On a track day on a summer's day that might be an issue, but in 90% of road driving scenarios, heat soaking an S3 intercooler would take some doing.

Dyno cells don't have anywhere near the amount of cool, fresh air going through the IC as the open road, so I wouldn't always take a dyno operator's word on IATs being too high.  They might well be, during 10 back to back power runs in a tiny little room!

And then of course there is the volume of the thing to fill, which can increase lag a bit.  That's why the S3 intercooler is only marginally bigger than the GTI one.  VAG focused more on improving the core than outright size.

I think ~ £260 for a brand new 6R/S3 intercooler from the dealer is a great upgrade & OEM quality, even on a K04 for stage 2.  Even better if you can find them on ebay for a steal!

Whilst the Peron, Welly boots, APR, Integrated Engineering & Revo ICs of this world have their place.... sometimes they're not necessary for the job in hand  :smiley:
Could he  install the s3 ic and down the line if needed just add twintercooler on?
or is this total overkill!...
« Last Edit: October 06, 2016, 04:07:25 pm by croak2012 »
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Re: Going Stage 2+
« Reply #22 on: October 06, 2016, 04:08:09 pm »
Pudding has given excellent information an I would go by that and my experiences on fmic in the past. Overkill on the s3 and twintercooler if you ask me  :signLOL: but if your running 400bhp then go for the kill  :grin:
« Last Edit: October 06, 2016, 05:20:16 pm by r5gtt »
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Re: Going Stage 2+
« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2016, 05:09:19 pm »
S3 intercoolers struggle on a hot day let alone on a track day


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Re: Going Stage 2+
« Reply #24 on: October 06, 2016, 05:19:27 pm »
Really  :scared:

When I was discussing my remap on fb niki replied and said I should be going 2+ with the gear I'm fitting on and said it would be enough.

S3 forsale on fb right now 75 + delivery  :signLOL:
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Re: Going Stage 2+
« Reply #25 on: October 06, 2016, 05:22:42 pm »
s3's are great for k03's stage 2+

not so great for k04's

people want every last bhp they can get i have seen it a thousand times i have done this and that what else can i do before mapping

an s3 intercooler will be ok but not the best option
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Re: Going Stage 2+
« Reply #26 on: October 06, 2016, 05:27:18 pm »




best intercooler bang for buck if your handy all new can be done for under £200
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Re: Going Stage 2+
« Reply #27 on: October 06, 2016, 05:44:26 pm »
Quote from: DANBOY66 on October 06, 2016, 05:27:18 pm




best intercooler bang for buck if your handy all new can be done for under £200
I remember me asking questions about that but as you didn't give the dimensions I went a bought n R6 one lol also too much hassle to cut the cross member and drill holes to mount an aftermarket one on so easier to go oem  :signLOL:
« Last Edit: October 06, 2016, 06:26:48 pm by r5gtt »
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Re: Going Stage 2+
« Reply #28 on: October 06, 2016, 05:52:59 pm »
Funny thing is you get a different answer depending on who you speak to. I was chatting to Steve when I was last at Statller and he said my standard cooler would be fine for a k04 conversion....! I'm not too sure about that myself, but who am I to question his knowledge?!

He also told me about Peron intercoolers suffering from pressure drop and possibly not being as good as I'd heard they were. But at the same time other equally respected tuners rate the Peron highly.

Whatever's right or wrong, it's definitely something I need to look into lots more before I go k04.
« Last Edit: October 06, 2016, 05:56:20 pm by AJP »
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Re: Going Stage 2+
« Reply #29 on: October 06, 2016, 06:25:08 pm »
Quote from: DANBOY66 on October 06, 2016, 05:27:18 pm




best intercooler bang for buck if your handy all new can be done for under £200
seems like this is the best option to go for then!  I have ka04 with front mount ic and the red forge silicone pipes looks bad ass too ahahahah :evilgrin:
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