Problem with G85 / clock spring after MFSW retrofit

[supercati]

EDIT: Problem was solved. You can read through the thread.

Hello there.

This past weekend I had Tempomat + MFSW installed on my Golf mk5 (2007 1.4 TSI 170).
Tempomat works great, Multifunction steering wheel too (horn, buttons, ilumination)... but, I cannot erase G85 errors. I believe this is also steering angle sensor / clock spring after some Google.

I've tried to do the basic setup, but it's impossible since the "Angle" value doesn't move from 0.00º (when I check in 03 - Brakes and Channel 004). Maybe it is broken? It was always working fine before removing steering wheel...


I tried this: http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/VW_Golf_(1K)_Brake_Electronics_(MK60) but didn't work either.

SMLS is ref. CH, clock spring ref. 1K0959653C.

Any help will be really apreciated!

[supercati]

I replaced the G85 today for a brand new one... same result!! I cannot understand anything now.
What I am doing wrong? With VagCom still the same, cannot read any angle, I thought it was because of the G85 being defective but may be not?

[r5gtt]

Is this what you did?

Basic Setting

Sensor for Steering Angle (G85)
Prerequisites:
Start the vehicle.
Turn the steering wheel one turn to the right and one turn to the left.
Drive in a short distance straight line on a level surface at a speed not higher than 20 km/h.
If the steering wheel is straight during the test drive then stop the vehicle with the wheels pointed straight.
Ensure that the steering wheel is not moved again.
Keep the engine running and do not switch off the ignition.
System voltage at least 12.0 V.

[Select]
[03 - Brake Electronics]
[Measuring Blocks - 08]
Group 004
[Go!]
Check field 1, the value has to be between -1.5 and +1.5 °.
[Done, Go Back]
[Coding-II - 11]
OR (if Coding-II is not available)
[Security Access - 16]
Enter 40168, to enable the basic setting.
[Do it!]
[Basic Settings - 04]
Group 060
[Go!]
After a successful basic setting, field 2 should say "OK".
[Done, Go Back]
[Close Controller, Go Back - 06]
Note: After successful basic setting, the Steering Limit Stop needs to be adapted too.

[v4rley]

Go into control module 44 steering assistance

[Select]
[44 - Steering Assist]
[Coding-II - 11] or if that function is not available then use [Sec.Access - 16] instead
Enter 40168, to enable the basic setting.
[Do it!]
[Basic Settings - 04]
Group 060
[Go!]
Activate the Basic Setting.
[ON/OFF/Next]
After a successful basic setting, field 1 should say "OK".
[Done, Go Back]
To make sure the basic setting was successful, check the sensor again.
[Measuring Blocks - 08]
Group 007
[Go!]
Check field 1, the value has to be between -1.5 and +1.5 °.
[Done, Go Back]
[Close Controller, Go Back - 06]

[supercati]

R5gtt, I did that, but didn't work out. When I go to channel 60 the angle doesn't move from 0.00°, and if I try to do basic setting it says error.

Go into control module 44 steering assistance

[Select]
[44 - Steering Assist]
[Coding-II - 11] or if that function is not available then use [Sec.Access - 16] instead
Enter 40168, to enable the basic setting.
[Do it!]
[Basic Settings - 04]
Group 060
[Go!]
Activate the Basic Setting.
[ON/OFF/Next]
After a successful basic setting, field 1 should say "OK".
[Done, Go Back]
To make sure the basic setting was successful, check the sensor again.
[Measuring Blocks - 08]
Group 007
[Go!]
Check field 1, the value has to be between -1.5 and +1.5 °.
[Done, Go Back]
[Close Controller, Go Back - 06]

I haven't done this, so I'll give it a try later! And I'll post the result. 

The only thing I don't understand at all:

Activate the Basic Setting.
[ON/OFF/Next]
After a successful basic setting, field 1 should say "OK".

What I am supposed to do after activating Basic Setting? The car will do it itself, or I need to drive, or turn left/right?

Thanks is advance :)

[v4rley]

Above text is copied from here so follow on from there, so yes the next step would be setting the stop limiter

http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/VW_Golf_(1K)_Steering_Assist

[supercati]

Still the same... 
Steering Angle Sensor doesn't read any angle.

My ABS/ESP unit is MK60 so I need to follow this steps (#03, not #44): http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/VW_Golf_(1J)_Brake_Electronics_(MK60)#Basic_Setting but I can¡t because I cannot activate Basic Settings.

When I go to Group 060 in Basic Settings, I get this:


If I try to read value of G85 in Channel 04, I get this, always 0.00º, no matter what:




Here's an autoscan I did, and all the Faults I found (maybe it helps):

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
37-Navigation -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: Malfunction 0010
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
55-Xenon Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-F.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AC    HW: 1K0 907 379 AC
   Component: ESP FRONT MK60      0101 
   Revision: 00H11001   
   Coding: 0002690
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID:

2 Faults Found:
00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85)
            014 - Defective
00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85)
            005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: 5K0-907-044.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 907 044 FH    HW: 5K0 907 044 FH
   Component: Climatronic   H18 1112 
   Revision: 00001003   
   Coding: 0000000002
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Climatronic A01010
   ROD: EV_ClimaAutoBasis_SE36.rod
   VCID:

1 Fault Found:
13701456 - Function Restricted due to Missing Message(s)
          U1111 00 [009] - -
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 242
                    Mileage: 164610 km
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 21:47:59

I have MK6 Golf Clima unit installed.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
   Part No: 1K1 909 144 M
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.069 H08 1901 
   Shop #: WSC 00000 028 00001
   VCID:

2 Faults Found:
02546 - Steering Limit Stop
            005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation
             Freeze Frame:
                    Mileage: 164600 km
                    Temperature: 45.0°C
                    Voltage: 12.30 V
                    Voltage: 12.10 V

00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85)
            014 - Defective
             Freeze Frame:

[supercati]

Also, I noticed my car doesn't have this under the "Steering Column"...

Not my car/photo

http://workshop-manuals.com/volkswagen/golf-mk5/images/golf-mk5-2424.png
Is it normal?

SWCM / SMLS before I had installed is 1K0 953 549 BC, now 1K0 953 549 CH (which is supposed to be compatible). The CH has like the space for this connector, which it doesn't exist in my car.

[v4rley]

I sent that link as it recently resolved my g85 issues....

With regards to the above photo, your car does have it, it's behind the slip ring..

[supercati]

I sent that link as it recently resolved my g85 issues....

With regards to the above photo, your car does have it, it's behind the slip ring..

The photo is not from my car, I checked mine and I didn't have this thing behind the slip ring, why?
Isn't it the G85/slip ring the steering angle sensor itself?

[v4rley]

Why not upload a photo of your steering colum...

[supercati]

Here I am again with the updated requested @v4rley 

With slip ring:


(notice this small metal piece there, I guess it is normal, right?)

After slip rinig removal... here's the weird thing: Where is my steering angle sensor???



Maybe with the other SWCM (ref BC) the steering wheel angle sensor what the slip ring itself? Honeslty couldn't find anything documented about this.

Should I buy a steering wheel angle sensor and install it? 1K0 959 654

[v4rley]

Ah ok, looks like yours is built into your slip ring 

[RetroRaz]

I think they were built into the abs pump on later models.

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[supercati]

Ah ok, looks like yours is built into your slip ring 

So, that's what I don't understand, it doesn't "work" now. Maybe because this new SWCM needs the steering angle sensor?

I think they were built into the abs pump on later models.

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My Golf is 07/2007. For sure I didn't have it before... But seems not be working on my car the G85/steering angle sensor now.


Also, I have one of the "rear wheel bearings"  a little bit damaged/broken (it makes noise when driving +60kmh). There's there any ESP/ABS sensor? Could be any relation to that? Because before steering wheel swap I had no ABS /ESP Errors.