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GTI stage 2+ is it really worth it ?
« on: January 19, 2010, 11:08:55 pm »
I was looking at the results from stage 1 to stage 2+ is it really worth it ?? the gains seem to be an extra 20bhp and 20lbft for roughly an extra £1500, are the on road times actually that much better ? Is the differance that much ?

Has anyone got any logs on the differance from 0-60, 0-100 or in gear times for both. Im going for revo BTW

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Re: GTI stage 2+ is it really worth it ?
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2010, 11:18:00 pm »
If it a K03 car the gain are more like 40bhp (from 240bhp to 280bhp) from stage 1 to 2+. Only driven a stage 1 and stage 2 K03 and you can notice the difference in that.
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Re: GTI stage 2+ is it really worth it ?
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2010, 08:22:22 am »
i think its less to do with the amount of power and more to do with the power and torque curve, giving more of the power earlier and longer....


although i do agree with you going from stage 1 to 2+ is mucho money and compared to a K04 the gains are not as great.


personally i will be going to stage 2 purely for the sound  :grin:
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Re: GTI stage 2+ is it really worth it ?
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2010, 09:02:35 am »
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Whichever stage of software tuning you go for you need to match it with the appropriate hardware modifications or you'll either be wasting your money or potentially even breaking something.

I would advise going to Stage2 before considering 2+. The other factor is driveability - Power is no good without traction.
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Re: GTI stage 2+ is it really worth it ?
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2010, 10:02:40 am »
Quote from: edd666999 on January 20, 2010, 08:22:22 am
i think its less to do with the amount of power and more to do with the power and torque curve, giving more of the power earlier and longer....


although i do agree with you going from stage 1 to 2+ is mucho money and compared to a K04 the gains are not as great.


personally i will be going to stage 2 purely for the sound  :grin:

Thats exactly right.  You need to look at the differences underneath the peak figures rather tan the peak figures themselves.  With 2+ the midrange is massively improved and you will see gains of around 30 bhp and 30 tourques.

By the way check out the Group Buy section if you are interested in HPFP as we have an excellent deal going for the Autotech pump right now.
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Re: GTI stage 2+ is it really worth it ?
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2010, 12:40:36 pm »
Going from stage 1 - 2 on my car was like going from nothing - stage 1 in terms of feel. I doubt going stage 2+ is going to have the same effect... and until now I wasn't going to bother.

But, whilst the pump is cheap and I've already got all the hardware, sod it.  :party:
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Re: GTI stage 2+ is it really worth it ?
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2010, 12:52:02 pm »
You've got me on the modding bug GRRRRR !!! :mad:

I'm tempted to go Stage 2 & APR Blueflame exhaust for the sound !


OMG i cant believe i read this post :fighting2:
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Re: GTI stage 2+ is it really worth it ?
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2010, 12:56:47 pm »
stage 2+ is hugely faster than stage 1. going from stage 2 to 2+ is almost as good as going from stck to stage 1 IMO.

well worth the money.
your biggest improvement will be in your in gear acceleration times. huge improvements in torque

here are times of a vRS revo stage 2+  with the obvious traction issues in 2nd

30-50 = 1.6 secs (in 2nd gear) :D

30-70 = 4.1 secs (in 3rd gear) :D:D

50-100 = 7.7 secs (in just 4th gear)
« Last Edit: January 20, 2010, 12:58:50 pm by vRSy »
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Re: GTI stage 2+ is it really worth it ?
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2010, 01:00:18 pm »
Quote from: tony_danza on January 20, 2010, 12:40:36 pm
Going from stage 1 - 2 on my car was like going from nothing - stage 1 in terms of feel. I doubt going stage 2+ is going to have the same effect... and until now I wasn't going to bother.

But, whilst the pump is cheap and I've already got all the hardware, sod it.  :party:

i found stage 2+ was a large improvement over stage 2 and thats considering the poor delivery i had on my bluefin. It was like going to stage 2+ again when i swapped remap as well
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Re: GTI stage 2+ is it really worth it ?
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2010, 01:12:25 pm »
Mine's already bloody quick for what it is, I made the same power as Baccilus on the RR day, but dropped about 30ftlbs of torque on him. He has a pump, but also a sportscat so that could be a contributing factor to the higher figure too?

Either way, I'm not expecting that much of an improvement, just a bit of smoother running, no niggling fuel cut potential in the back of my mind and anything else is a bonus.
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Re: GTI stage 2+ is it really worth it ?
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2010, 01:21:16 pm »
ignoring the figures which are pretty micky mouse you can see the improvements i had over stage 2. pretty much 20Ibft accross the entire rev range. these are the before and after results for bluefin stage 2 and stage 2+ with no time for ECU adaption.

I had a real issue with the stage 2 map @5k which the stage+ ironed out thank god.

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Re: GTI stage 2+ is it really worth it ?
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2010, 01:33:00 pm »
Ahh, well given his car is near identical to mine in terms of set up and map, I expect I'll see the same too... nice healthy increase in torque.  :happy2:

Well, as much as a decat allows, I might not see the same % increase.
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Re: GTI stage 2+ is it really worth it ?
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2010, 04:37:20 pm »
Quote from: vRSy on January 20, 2010, 12:56:47 pm
here are times of a vRS revo stage 2+  with the obvious traction issues in 2nd

30-50 = 1.6 secs (in 2nd gear) :D

30-70 = 4.1 secs (in 3rd gear) :D:D

50-100 = 7.7 secs (in just 4th gear)

I wonder who's vRS and in-Gear times they are   :innocent: :innocent:

Carl :happy2:
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Re: GTI stage 2+ is it really worth it ?
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2010, 04:49:18 pm »
Quote from: tony_danza on January 20, 2010, 01:33:00 pm
Ahh, well given his car is near identical to mine in terms of set up and map, I expect I'll see the same too... nice healthy increase in torque.  :happy2:

Well, as much as a decat allows, I might not see the same % increase.

maybe not mate, hurdy saw an increase in the torque after fitting his decat
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Re: GTI stage 2+ is it really worth it ?
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2010, 04:50:32 pm »
Quote from: Mater on January 20, 2010, 04:37:20 pm
Quote from: vRSy on January 20, 2010, 12:56:47 pm
here are times of a vRS revo stage 2+  with the obvious traction issues in 2nd

30-50 = 1.6 secs (in 2nd gear) :D

30-70 = 4.1 secs (in 3rd gear) :D:D

50-100 = 7.7 secs (in just 4th gear)

I wonder who's vRS and in-Gear times they are   :innocent: :innocent:

Carl :happy2:
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they wernt mine, mine were so fast they nearly didnt register on the stop watch. lol. i want to get that perfomance box hurdy has to dpo some proper testing. GPS doesnt lie
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