GTI stage 2+ is it really worth it ?

[gobbleplease]

whats the least amount of hard ware you can bolt on to run stage 2 reliably  ?

[Janner_Sy]

Whats the least you can reliably run stage two on then ?

IMO the downpipe. thats what mine ran on for a fair while befoe i got an intake. cat back is my most recent mod

[bacillus]

Whats the least you can reliably run stage two on then ?

IMO just a TBE preferably with an uprate panel air filter.

[NB07]

Whats the least you can reliably run stage two on then ?

IMO just a TBE preferably with an uprate panel air filter.

this is what im running but im sure it feels like i need a CAI

[RedRobin]

this is what im running but im sure it feels like i need a CAI

....Beware that slippery slope!! 

[Janner_Sy]

but the CAT is the restrictive bit, and is the reason settings would need to be wound down to ensure you dont destroy it with the extra heat.  So the bare minimum IMO is the DP and sports CAT, and a full TBE the preferable solution.

then An air intake to free up the top of the rev range at a later date.
then an intercooler
then a HPFP
then.....

[gobbleplease]

 

Cheers guys think im going to leave it at stage 2 then TBE with 200cell cats whats the norm gains with these ?

[Janner_Sy]

Cheers guys think im going to leave it at stage 2 then TBE with 200cell cats whats the norm gains with these ?

stage 2 with TBE and intake 245-260

[gobbleplease]

thats good enough for me 

Big ta mate.

[vRS Carl]

You do NOT need anything for Stage 2 other than a Decent intake.

I only had CBE and it made no difference to the output at all.

The reason people recommend downpipe, Turbo Outlet, HPFP & intercooler is just to make things run better and help the system.

Intercooler won't give you more power but it will make that power consistent. I.E on a RR you will consistently see the same result after several runs whereas with OEM you start to suffer heatsoak so lose power.

Turbo Outlet will give you about 5bhp and around 8-10lb/ft

HPFP is ONLY needed if you get Fuel cuts at Stage 2. Otherwise it is only a requirement for Stage 2+

Turbo Downpipe is ONLY needed if you want more power at Stage 2 but again is a requirement at Stage 2+

If you go to Stage 2+ then you NEED:

Turbo Down Pipe
Intake
HPFP

as a bare minimum

I would recommend though adding

Turbo Outlet Pipe
Intercooler

Regards the intercooler don't be fooled by any marketing ploy the S3 cooler is more than up to the job for any K03 application and is a damn sight cheaper.  APR or others are only needed really for Big Turbo applications.

Carl

[Janner_Sy]

Carl I disagree with you there mate.

you were there at JKM in feb last year when i loaded the bluefin stage 2 map on whilst still using the stock exhaust, Bluefin even state the Downpipe as as being required before you fit the map.

it drove really erratically, so i loaded the stage 1 back on, and when i fitted the exhaust, i installed that same map and it was nothin like that in comparsion

[KRL]

^^^
Thats because without a HPFP you will be getting into fuel cut territory with and intake and stage 2.

....With a Revo you/JKM can adjust the settings so that you aren't forced into buying a HPFP. I'm on Revo2 and Milltek TBE but with oem FP, also with Forge Twintake, and no problems. I don't want to go to Revo2+ and make everything work harder.

That is true RR and is one of the things that is great about REVO.  However for me that would be a bit like taking 1 step forwards and two steps back because you are buying an intake and are not able to take full advantage of it.

[Hedge]

I ran Revo stage 2 on my Octavia with a standard exhaust plus EVOMS.

Absolutely no problems whatsoever. 

[Janner_Sy]

maybe bluefin just didnt like my car lol

[RedRobin]

^^^
Thats because without a HPFP you will be getting into fuel cut territory with and intake and stage 2.

....With a Revo you/JKM can adjust the settings so that you aren't forced into buying a HPFP. I'm on Revo2 and Milltek TBE but with oem FP, also with Forge Twintake, and no problems. I don't want to go to Revo2+ and make everything work harder.

That is true RR and is one of the things that is great about REVO.  However for me that would be a bit like taking 1 step forwards and two steps back because you are buying an intake and are not able to take full advantage of it.

....I don't see how installing my Twintake and gaining bhp and torque but without changing my oem fuel pump is stepping backwards at all. Every individual car is either different or has a different package of mods and being able to adjust Revo's settings is merely fine tuning to best suit both the car and you.

The point is that the ability to change Boost/Timing/Fuel settings provides choices. It means that I have not had to change pump etc etc. In fact I haven't had to reduce power via my settings either but at least I have the choice if problems were to arise and to do so without extra expense.

Perhaps "taking full advantage" to you means squeezing everything you can from something. Now, is that driven by a desire for absolute maximum power or a desire to satisfy a need to maximise what you call value-for-money?

My preference is to achieve a healthy balance which delivers driveability and longevity.